My Problem With Missionaries

[keithy_19]

I don't understand why so many missionaries feel the need to go over sea's to provide ministry when there are millions of people here in America who need it.

I'm not saying that what these missionaries in other countries are doing is wrong. I just feel we should think about here first.

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[schmega]

they need to teach savages how to fuck.

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[HBox]

Most of the people they help are WAY worse off than anyone in America. But an underlying goal of missionaries is to spread Christianity to other parts of the world.

Besides, churches do a lot to help people here. They are not ignoring America by any stretch of the imagination.

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[Recyclerz]

No, no - Keithy is right. There is no need to get heaven all over-crowded with... foreigners.

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[TheMojoPin]

Christian charities are some of the most effective and far-reaching in the world...and are probably better at tackling American poverty than the government is.

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[JPMNICK]

i thought keith lost his virginty and he hated the missionary position. i was kind of let down when i opened the thread.

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[reeshy]

I had a great-aunt who was a missionary nun in the Congo for over 30 years.....I only met her once in Ireland when she was in a Nursing Home.....we talked about her work and she said that if she could do it again...she do it twice!!!!

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[TheMojoPin]

My problems with reverse cowgirls are numerous and lengthy.

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[FUNKMAN]

My problem With Missionaries


too many dudes with swords...

good flick

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[fluffernutter]

My problems with reverse cowgirls are numerous and lengthy.


Don't make me.....

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[badorties]

No, no - Keithy is right. There is no need to get heaven all over-crowded with ... foreigners.



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[curtoid]

I don't understand why so many missionaries feel the need to go over sea's to provide ministry when there are millions of people here in America who need it.

Very simple answer (and this is from a godless Buddhist): we are all God's children.

Or, to put it more practicle: as we have seen ilustrated, what happens in places like Africa, Central America, the Middle East and Asia will effect us eventually, and isn't a preemptive stike of support a little easier to stomach than one of war years later?

Anyway, I have cousins who have been missonaries (a brother and sister, and their families) for a long time.

The female cousin - she and her family have been in Kenya and later Tanzania for almost 17 years now. Their youngest child went with them when she was 4 months old, and she and the other kid consider Africa more home than the United States, even though they do visit every few years. With them it has been a real calling, I believe.

Not saying that I buy into it, but I know them, and know of the tough work they have done, especially in a country that is 75% muslim, and they have made lives for themselves, and made some real difference.

Her brother (my other cousin) and his family went over to Mozambigue about a year and a half ago, and while I don't know what motivated them to do the move so much later in their lives (their two children were already school age), I know they have been committed to doing some important work. Unfortunatly, I do see with him some of the traits I don't care for with the more evangelical Christians out there, and I think they have had a larger culture shock, and a slower learning curve.

I'll let you all read between those lines!

Anyway, one problem they have faced in the last year is both Roger and his wife have come down with Malaria - something that almost took his life just a week or two ago - AND something that never leaves you. Really had me concerned.

His brother in law (the one married to my female cousin in Tanzania) also got Malaria years ago, but was refused treatment from the hospital when he went in with severe symtoms one day because the embassy there had just been bombed by al Queda and it was over crowded with victims of the attack. He was able to get treatment shortly after, but he eventually had to return to the states for 8 months.

Ahhh - memories.

Personally I kind of agree with Keithy, that there is a lot of good that can be done here in the states, however when you step back and look at really how bad some other countries have it, in many instances the people who have it really bad here in the USA are still much better off than some in the rest of the world.

I have a really good friend who does occasional work in South America with her church (Methodists here in DC) who build homes for single mothers - usually women who are victims of severe abuse.

It may be tough for most people here in the states to get it (especially men), but a woman born in the United States is so much more fortunate than women born in much of the world.



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This message was edited by curtoid on 9-26-04 @ 11:38 PM

[mdr55]

I don't understand why so many missionaries feel the need to go over sea's to provide ministry when there are millions of people here in America who need it.

I'm not saying that what these missionaries in other countries are doing is wrong. I just feel we should think about here first.


Aren't with doing the same thing with democracy in Iraq and the rest of the world???

[jeffdwright2001]

Not a new issue:

From Mark Twain -

O kind missionary, O compassionate missionary, leave China! Come home and convert these Christians.
- "The United States of Lyncherdom"

We despise all reverences and all the objects of reverence which are outside the pale of our own list of sacred things. And yet, with strange inconsistency, we are shocked when other people despise and defile the things which are holy to us.
- Following the Equator

Man is a Religious Animal. He is the only Religious Animal. He is the only animal that has the True Religion--several of them. He is the only animal that loves his neighbor as himself and cuts his throat if his theology isn't straight. He has made a graveyard of the globe in trying his honest best to smooth his brother's path to happiness and heaven....The higher animals have no religion. And we are told that they are going to be left out in the Hereafter. I wonder why? It seems questionable taste.
- "The Lowest Animal"

The easy confidence with which I know another man's religion is folly teaches me to suspect that my own is also. I would not interfere with any one's religion, either to strengthen it or to weaken it. I am not able to believe one's religion can affect his hereafter one way or the other, no matter what that religion may be. But it may easily be a great comfort to him in this life--hence it is a valuable possession to him.
- Mark Twain, a Biography

I am quite sure now that often, very often, in matters concerning religion and politics a man's reasoning powers are not above the monkey's.
- Mark Twain in Eruption



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[Furtherman]

My problem with missionaries is that they are spreading the disease of religion.

Leave them alone. They were better off without you.

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[Yerdaddy]

A Christian mother's first duty is to soil her child's mind, and she does not neglect it. Her lad grows up to be a missionary, and goes to the innocent savage and to the civilized japanese, and soils their minds.

-Mark Twain, "Letters from Earth"


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[FUNKMAN]

and goes to the innocent savage and to the civilized japanese, and soils their minds


and when that savage starts chasing them through the jungle because they plan on having him for dinner the missionary will soil his pants...

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[jeffdwright2001]

A Christian mother's first duty is to soil her child's mind, and she does not neglect it. Her lad grows up to be a missionary, and goes to the innocent savage and to the civilized japanese, and soils their minds.
-Mark Twain, "Letters from Earth"


Nice Yerdaddy

Kind of along the lines of this:
In religion and politics people's beliefs and convictions are in almost every case gotten at second-hand, and without examination, from authorities who have not themselves examined the questions at issue but have taken them at second-hand from other non-examiners, whose opinions about them were not worth a brass farthing.
- Autobiography of Mark Twain

I also like how efficiently he wraps up a lot of the world's conflicts:
Zeal and sincerity can carry a new religion further than any other missionary except fire and sword.
- Christian Science



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[SatCam]

I have no problem with missionaries as long as their funding is private.

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[Mike Teacher]

My problem with missionaries is that they are spreading the disease of religion.


Thats a strong way of putting it, but not far off from Missionaries throughout history, who would meet some new people and it was essentially: Here's the Deal: convert or die, maybe slavery if yer lucky.

Dont get me started on 'The Inquisition' sequence from History of the World, Part 1.



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[keithy_19]

Ok. Let me try to rephrase.

I think what missionaries due over sea's with third world countries is an amazing thing. I only wish I had half the faith and courage that these people have.

With that being said, I think there is a large portion of this country that could use it as well. I know that there are many out reaches that go on within our borders, but it doesn't seem to be working.



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[SatCam]

People can go do whatever they want with thier bodies and their thoughts.

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This message was edited by SatCam on 9-27-04 @ 4:45 PM

[TheMojoPin]

With that being said, I think there is a large portion of this country that could use it as well. I know that there are many out reaches that go on within our borders, but it doesn't seem to be working.

Use what? You're very vague as to whether you mean the overall charitable works of missionaries (Feeding, housing and clothing the poor, etc.), or you mean their attempts to spread their religion. Because then you're just asking for more Jehovah's Witnesses.

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[Yerdaddy]

My problem with missionaries is that it inevitably invites clashes with other religions who rightly or wrongly will feel threatened by the attempt to convert them and their neighbors away from their own religion, which then puts my security in jepardy. In other words, I'm OK with religion as a personal spirituality. But when your prostletizing intrudes on my privacy, knocking on my door uninvited, or invites animosity against me, knocking on occupied Muslims' doors, then you need to rethink the morality of your actions. In other words, be religious if you want, but mind your own fucking business!

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Fuck it from behind.

[reeshy]

you're just asking for more Jehovah's Witnesses.



And what's wrong with that, may I ask????

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[TheMojoPin]

They already stole Prince, the bastards!

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[reeshy]

They already stole Prince, the bastards!


HAHAHA!!!!! Now Missionaries will be gay too!!!!!!!

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[FUNKMAN]

this was a pretty cool movie. tom berenger was giving all the natives syphllis and the best part is you get to see Cathy Bates naked...

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