OFFICIAL VICE-PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE THREAD

[FMJeff]

HEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERRRE WE GO!!

Man I wanna fuck Edwards. Did you see him flash that smile? I got hard immediately.

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[cheezeemee]

Aunt Jemima looks very professional
I miss the bandana

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[HBox]

WOW! This is a catfight!

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[peacefrog081]

ron and fez's commentary is the best part about it. This is hilarious

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[FMJeff]

Cheney is getting owned

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[FMJeff]

im thinking 4 rounds, last man standing gets to be vice prez...

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[HBox]

Cheney: Well, you filthy liar, blah blah blah.
Edwards: You disingenuous scumbag, blah blah blah.
Cheney: Well, if I were lying sack of shit I would have just said what he said, blah blah blah.
Edawrds: There you go again with your baseless lies, you motherfucker, blah blah blah.

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[Yerdaddy]

Cheney: "I have not suggested there is a connection between Iraq and 9-11."

Cheney on Meet the Press in September 2003: "If we're successful in Iraq, if we can stand up a good representative government in Iraq, that secures the region so that it never again becomes a threat to its neighbors or to the United States, so it's not pursuing weapons of mass destruction, so that it's not a safe haven for terrorists, now we will have struck a major blow right at the heart of the base, if you will, the geographic base of the terrorists who have had us under assault now for many years, but most especially on 9/11."

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[FMJeff]

look, everyone knows they're a bunch of hypocrites...it doesnt matter...if you spin it the right way, you will sound right...thats how dumb it is in this country...

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[HBox]

Edwards should have known he would flatly deny it and should have memorized any one of the numerous times Cheney has suggested links between Iraq and Al Qaeda. Big missed opportunity.

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[FMJeff]

Well Edwards knows the Iraq issue is not gonna win this election alone...

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[GodsFavoriteMan]

The problem with debating Cheney is he is an unabashed liar. How can you debate someone who deftly blends facts with blatant fiction?

Boom! He hit him with Mandela. Love it.

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[HBox]

I really do think these two are going to throw down.

EDIT:I think Cheney has thrashed Edwards to this point, but its painful the way he is dodging the jobs question. he's talking about education and tax cuts and going into tangents and not connecting anything in anyway. Seems out of his element, maybe Edwards can salvage this.

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[FUNKMAN]

i think Edwards should challenge him to a push-up contest or just get down and rip off about 50...

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[FMJeff]

gay marraiges! gay marraiges!

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[angrymissy]

cheney has been on the defensive the whole time, even though he's a much better debater than bush.

all edwards needs to do is flash that ken doll smile

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[HBox]

Nice way to sell out your daughter.

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[FMJeff]

this is weird. I didn't know this was gonna come up....why DOESN'T he support his daughter's sexual orientation?

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[GodsFavoriteMan]

This is where I disagree with both parties. I don't understand why gay marriages should not be recognized as marriages. Though excellent point on using the amendment as a political tool.

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[FMJeff]

this mediator is HORRIBLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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[angrymissy]

they just don't want to call it a "marriage", kerry and edwards support civil unions giving same sex couples the same rights as "married" couples, without calling them "married".

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[GodsFavoriteMan]

I understand and admire that. But what that does is play with semantics.

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[FMJeff]

Cheney's hitting edwards with the specifics...

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[GodsFavoriteMan]

Have you noticed how Edwards says "John Kerry" often when speaking about their ticket, but Cheney is reffering almost soley to "the administration?"

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[HBox]

OOOOOHHHHHH!!! EDWARDS BROKE THE STUPID, NONSENSICAL RULE!!!!!!!!!!!! ALL IS LOST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ALL IS LOST!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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[GodsFavoriteMan]

You just know the Republicans are going to jump right on that rule being broken.

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[angrymissy]

cheney keeps passing on responding... whats up with that?

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[FUNKMAN]

holy moly!

i thought Edwards had a distinctive mole on his upper lip. you can't really see it but there is a strange white line running across the top of his upper lip...

maybe he got a waxing and it pulled the mole off too...

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[angrymissy]

better than that lovely giant coldsore he was sporting on his lip last week...

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[FUNKMAN]

cheney keeps passing on responding... whats up with that?


his heart can't take it...

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[JPMNICK]

At first, I thought the VP was taken a beating. But as the night is wearing on, he is doing better.

I, of course like a good american, am flipping between this crap and the Yankee Playoff Game

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[angrymissy]

needs to recharge his cyborg battery pack... it only holds a charge for 2 hours and he's getting nervous

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[JPMNICK]

I thought it was wrong to say 1/2 of african americans drop out of school with the moderator being right there and all

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[FUNKMAN]

needs to recharge his cyborg battery pack... it only holds a charge for 2 hours and he's getting nervous


hope nobody starts using their cellphone...



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[FMJeff]

snoozey snooze = cheney

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[Reephdweller]

I, of course like a good american, am flipping between this crap and the Yankee Playoff Game


Like a good American I flipped between the debate, the Yankees playoffs, and "And You Don't Stop" on VH1 which the chronicles of the birth of hip hop.

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[Ken]

There goes that liberal media again, declaring Cheney as the winner.

[HBox]

I think Cheney won that. I thought he did very well in the foreign policy, and did well enough in the last half.

I truned on MSNBC, and had to turn it off when it took them 1 minute for someone to say "Will the liberal papers admit Cheney won?" It wasn't a fucking blow out. They both looked silly at times.

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[Ken]

Cheney's best move was not responding to questions. He passed on responding to Edwards on a number of occasions. Bush is a joke, Cheney is a joke, and if you can't see that, you're a joke too.

[GodsFavoriteMan]

I read this from the VH1 chick blogging on CNN.com. Thought it was kinda funny.

"I don't see how Edwards can attack the Bush-Cheney administration on the thoroughness of their airplane terror watch list when just weeks ago, they apprehended that major threat, Cat Stevens.

Right now, there are special forces circling and close to capturing Don McClean (American Pie) who is in a spider hole somewhere near the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame penning a new album. "

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[angrymissy]

I think it was pretty evenly matched, with an edge to Edwards, considering Cheny was on the defense and a little flustered for most of the debate.

Edwards also had a much better closing statement.

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[GodsFavoriteMan]

unfortunately, I missed the end because my connection crapped out on me. But from what I saw Cheney wasn't noticebly horsewhipped, but on the issues, he failed. I mean, he has a record to defend, and it's a poor one. Edward's lack of experience (and that's a non issue, what was Bush's experience) worked to his favor because he was able to challenge Cheney the entire time without having a record of governing to defend.

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[curtoid]

Cheney was good, but Edwards actually made efforts to answer many of the questions. Ultimately, it was a draw. Both sides rallied their bases, which was excellent. A draw = good for Edwards for holding his own, but it really did nothing to pursuade undecideds.

"More of the same" vs. "Fear of Change"

The best part of the evening was hearing some of R&F's commentary, calling the moderator "Robin Quivers."



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[FUNKMAN]

i saw it even...

it looked like Cheney was using the "kerry look like you're writing when not speaking' method which Edwards also used...

i think i'm gonna constantly carry a pad and pen with me in public and make believe like i'm writing stuff down with serious expressions on my face...

i thought Edwards had some 'goofy' reactions and facial expressions while Cheney spoke 'early in the debate'... it made me laugh out loud

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[Reephdweller]

I guess what annoys me more than anything about people who are liberals is that they purport to be all about people having rights and being politically correct and whatnot, yet if someone has a different viewpoint from them then they just jump all over them and their clear stupidity for even living. Case in point being the two quote made over the last few days, listed below...


Bush is a joke, Cheney is a joke, and if you can't see that, you're a joke too.

Anyone who could still support this 'stammering for a witty retort' simpleton doesn't deserve to vote.


One was made by a board member, the other by FMJeff. It just brilliantly illustrates why I lean more towards the right of center at times. I don't agree with everything republican and conservative, but yet I never ever get told by people on lean to the right that they should have no right vote because they think differently from what that person thinks. But yet there is this elitest mentality at play on the side of liberalism that seeks to demean and demoralize anyone who has a difference of opinion.

Here's how I feel just so we're clear on this. I voted for Bush/Cheney in 2000 and for the most part over the past year I have leaned towards dumping my support of this ticket over numerous things that I've questioned about this administration, and I have looked good and hard at people like Howard Dean, John Edwards and John Kerry. I researched the candidates and their stances, I watched the democratic debates, I went to their blogs, and watched the conventions. My conclusion following the convention like I think a lot of Americans was that people became interested in Bush again. He started gaining in the polls, it is unmistakable. However he fumbled at the first debate. Fumbled enough so that I myself began to question Bush's abilities.

However it is childish attitudes like the ones above that remind me why I tend to not take democratic challengers seriously. Because it is that same attitude.

Meanwhile many times I will look at my stances on different issues in society and find myself at times on the democratic side of things. I just find that people on that side however are filled with so much vile and hatred that it's distrubing. It's distrubing so much so that it is the very reason the democratic party is dying. It is dying people democrats overall either bitch and moan about republicans all day, and never really come up with decent plans or ideas. It is the very reason we have a carbon copy candidate in John Kerry running against Bush. It is the very reason that if he does win that nothing will change.

I know I'm nitpicking by grabbing the above quotes by Jeff and the other guy, but I have to say that if it were more for mature people on the left making sense than perhaps I would be inclined to look the other way.

And I'm not suggesting that Bush and his supporters are above the fray, but at least from my perspective they don't seem to be as childish. I could be wrong on this. However to fucking say that if you vote for Bush you shouldn't be allowed to vote is absolutely insane. Imagine if I said that about someone who wanted to vote for Kerry. Which I never would say. People would be jumping all over me for it.

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[HBox]

I really didn't buy all of the crap where Cheney was trying to talk down and passively demean Edwards. And I especially didn't like when he tried to use Iraqi casualties to discredit the 90% U.S. casualties figure. First of all, I've never seen someone try to defend their conduct of the war by raising casualty figures. Second of all, no ones demeaning Iraqi casualties. The point is that they can't defend themselves, there needs to be an international force there to take over defense, and later assist, and we are essentially that force alone. Its pretty fucking clear. He was trying to distract from the issue and I fear that he has succeeded. I can only hope Bush tries to pick up on that in a future debate and Kerry gives him the verbal thrashing it deserves.

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[Se7en]

A draw?! Someone's being optimistic.

Edwards got his ass quite thoroughly handed to him.

Cheney came across as an intelligent, level-headed, compassionate man who puts his country's interests ahead of his own. Edwards came across as typical politician interested in saying only what he thought people wanted to hear to get votes. Cheney was patient, clear-minded, logical, down to earth and open-minded. Edwards had a FEW good points, but rested too much on what Kerry did last Thursday and didn't seemed nearly as relaxed and "experienced" as Cheney did.

And Cheney attacking the attendance of both Kerry and Edwards was brilliant, and the line where he mentioned that the first time he met Edwards in person was during that debate was great. The allegations of Kerry and Edwards voting based on the lead Howard Dean had in the caucases was a home run, while Edwards' references to Halliburton didn't really stick. [And for anyone who still wants to beat that particular dead horse, go to factcheck.org to see how pitifully weak the Haliburton claims really are.] John Kerry's goal in the next debate is now going to have to be to make voters forget this night ever happened. With some momentum created by Kerry's initial performance in the last debate, this was NOT the performance from Edwards that he needed to maintain some flow.

Finally, from polipundit: "Will the family of a Veep wannabe, dark suit, dark hair, Dark Side, license # I-S-U-E-U, please come and claim the carcass? Your junior lawyer has been trampled, pummeled, thumped, whupped, sliced, diced, julienned, fried, pureed, laughed out of the county, and has dismayed fellow slimebags across the nation. You may claim the remains, collected in a large number of small baggies, at the BreckTM booth."

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[angrymissy]

Cheney came across as an intelligent, level-headed, compassionate man

WHAAAAA? Cheney? compassionate?????? level-headed???

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[FUNKMAN]

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[GodsFavoriteMan]

Cheney came across as an intelligent, level-headed, compassionate man who puts his country's interests ahead of his own. Cheney was patient, clear-minded, logical, down to earth and open-minded.

Kind words indeed. Not exactly what you'd expect to hear about a man who supports cutting VA spending, combat pay, who supported keeping Mandela in prison and essentially branded the man a terrorist. But I will give you intelligent. He's very cold and calculating.




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[The Nature Boy]

Cheney bought and paid for Edwards tonight, completely owning him. This was Austin vs. McMahon tonight, stunners all night long. Any momentum from the last presidential debate was crushed tonight thanks to Cheney taking the boy wonder to school. Wow, I didn't expect that tonight.

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[HBox]

MSNBC viewers seem to think it was a thrashing. (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036697/)

And web polls there have shown Bush ahead of Kerry pretty consistently through September, just for reference.

Speaking of optomistic, calling Cheney compassionate? The way he fell in line on the gay marriage and then refused to talk about it will win him political points, limiting the damge it could do him, but its fucking cold hearted.

And let's not overstate hoc much the VP debate means. Lloyd Bentsen made a complete fool out of Dan Quayle and Dukakis won one state.

And as for defending Halliburton, he didn't. Peopl;e like us will go to factcheck.org, but for most of the people in the country, simply telling them to go to a website is no defense. Those were some serious allegations hurled at him, and his defense didn't cut it. In a similar way that Senate comment really stung Edwards, despite being very misleading.

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[Ken]

[And I'm not suggesting that Bush and his supporters are above the fray, but at least from my perspective they don't seem to be as childish. I could be wrong on this. However to fucking say that if you vote for Bush you shouldn't be allowed to vote is absolutely insane. Imagine if I said that about someone who wanted to vote for Kerry. Which I never would say. People would be jumping all over me for it.]

Who said Bush supporters shouldn't vote? Relax. The post was one man's opinion.

[mikeyboy]

I guess what annoys me more than anything about people who are liberals is that they purport to be all about people having rights and being politically correct and whatnot, yet if someone has a different viewpoint from them then they just jump all over them and their clear stupidity for even living. Case in point being the two quote made over the last few days, listed below...


Bush is a joke, Cheney is a joke, and if you can't see that, you're a joke too.

Anyone who could still support this 'stammering for a witty retort' simpleton doesn't deserve to vote.




To be fair, I think you're being selective. There are a number of people on the other side of the political spectrum (including at least a couple of people on this board) who do exactly the same thing. Unfortunately, that's to be expected from today's polarized society.

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[HBox]

However it is childish attitudes like the ones above that remind me why I tend to not take democratic challengers seriously. Because it is that same attitude.

I don't understand this specific point. Why do you hold a candidate's dumbest supporters against the candidate. I mean, if anything, Democratic candidates have tried to be Republican lite lately, distancing themselves as much as possible from these kinds of people you are referring to, and it results in support for Nader. Kerry isn't coming close to the level of attacks Dean leveled, and is still leveling against Bush. And even those attacks are mostly on policy, however scorching they could be.

In the end, your best bet is not let let zealots of any kind effect you. Make up your own mind and ignore them. Because I could go on and on about crazy Republicans who decry Democrats as Communist, America-hating pussies. But its better to ignore the bile, however plentiful it is today.

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[HBox]

I am amazed. I'm going to News websites and Edwards is winning by margins bigger than Kerry had last debate. Even Fox News.com, which I didn't check last debate, has Edwards winning 50%-49%, but most sites have Edwards in the 70s. Wow. I thought Cheney won bigger tonight then Kerry had won, but I guess I was wrong, unless Democratic blogs are flooding the polls.

I just checked the blog I guessed was probably flooding the polls and it was indeed doing that. However, it did the same thing last debate, so take that as you will.

But I also found this.

You lying bastard! YOU DID MEET EDWARDS!!!!!! (http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:S4X7WDzDUcoJ:static.highbeam.com/w/washingtontranscriptservice/february012001/vicepresidentdickcheneyvicepresidentdickcheneydeli/+%22+friends+from+across+America,+and+distinguishe d+visitors+to+our+country+from+all+over+the+world: +Lynne+and+I+are+honored+to+be+with+you+all+this+m orning%22&hl=en)

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[Yerdaddy]

However it is childish attitudes like the ones above that remind me why I tend to not take democratic challengers seriously. Because it is that same attitude.

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[Ken]

[Why do you hold a candidate's dumbest supporters against the candidate.]

I don't understand this specific point. How can you judge a person's intelligence based on one comment on a comedy radio show message board? Just relax.

[Reephdweller]

There are a number of people on the other side of the political spectrum (including at least a couple of people on this board) who do exactly the same thing. Unfortunately, that's to be expected from today's polarized society.


I'm sure you're right Mikey. However I haven't seen it. Which doesn't mean it doesn't exist. I just happened to pick the two statements because they've been said of late.

My point is, that I don't care for it on either side of the aisle. I am suggesting that I see it more so on the left side than the right. I know it exists, but I do see it more on the left.


In the end, your best bet is not let let zealots of any kind effect you. Make up your own mind and ignore them.


Of course I don't let anyone affect my vote or opinion except for myself. What I'm saying however is that when there are times when I may be on the fence about something, it is this very childish attitude that reminds me of why I don't vote the other way. And I'm not just basing it on some board member or whoever else. But I also see in the politicians, the candidates, and the commentators. I think if there were more maturity in the democratic party that we'd perhaps see a day when democrats would begin to get back some of the power that they've been losing more and more of over the years.

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[Reephdweller]

You started a thread just so you could post silly pictures of John Kerry.


I don't need to post silly pictures of John Kerry he continually demonstrates that he does it all himself.

Plus, I do it to bring some lightheartedness to the forum.

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[GodsFavoriteMan]

I'm sure you're right Mikey. However I haven't seen it.

Here are a few suggestions.

700 Club. Hannity and Colms, The O'Reilly Factor.

And on the radio: Rush Limbaugh, Savage Nation, Lars Larson, Ann Coulter, Dr. Laura

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[Reephdweller]

Just relax.


You relax. I'm not basing anything other than on the words you used. You made a comment, and I commented on your comment. I'm not mad or angry in the slightest.

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[Reephdweller]

Here are a few suggestions.

700 Club. Hannity and Colms, The O'Reilly Factor.

And on the radio: Rush Limbaugh, Savage Nation, Lars Larson, Ann Coulter, Dr. Laura



Have I ever supported any of these people listed? No. I do listen once in a while to Limbaugh or Hannity, but that is only when my iPod has run out of R&F shows to listen to and there's nothing else to listen to. I also listen to Air America from time to time. I can counter all those people with the staff from Air America if I want to.

But that wasn't the point.

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[FUNKMAN]

come on guys! let's bring this up a notch on the 'maturity scale'...

I'm sure we can all agree that Iraq is a HUGE mess and should've been avoided. on this point Bush has to take the most heat being he's ultimately in charge. The reality is we lost over 3,000 people on 9/11. Since then we've lost over 1,000 more and there are 6,000 who have had serious injuries such as loss of limbs, loss of sight, etc. It's hard for me to consider this as 'winning the war on terror' This doesn't include the loss of innocent lives in other countries such as Spain and Russia. The 3.5% tax break for the most wealthiest ' people in my mind' who could most afford to not get a tax break has only increased the size of their bank accounts. There is not much anyone is doing to cut the rich/poor gap but this has only increased it.

It seems to me Kerry and Edwards are painting too bright a picture on what they will accomplish but i will say that they are aware of the issues. whether they can improve the economy and the situation in Iraq remains to be seen.




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[Reephdweller]

I won't comment on this any more. I was just trying to make a point on why I feel the democrats are losing and will continue to lose. Believe it or not, I don't want that to happen. I don't want one party running everything. Yet I do get troubled because there is very little leadership on the democratic side, and it's troubling to me. I'm sorry for bringing this up. I didn't mean to derail the thread.

Back to the topic of this thread however, I was pretty impressed with John Edwards as I was John Kerry. I think overall both debates ended up a little evenly split. Though I give the nod to both Kerry and Edwards so far.

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In terms of media reaction and eventual public reaction I don't see how this could end up being anything but a draw. All Cheney had to do was look smart, which he did, because he is. Edwards had a lot to live up to and I believe he succeeded admirably. So, I don't think this will be any kind of tie breaker. That goes to the next couple debates.

Otherwise, I didn't mean to demean your arguement Reef, but there are plenty of crazies on both sides. I lost a good friend because he got into the militant left. And I'm a Democrat.

And I know this has nothing to do with the thread, and has probably been said a thousand times before. But Damn, I love your sigs, Reef.

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[Yerdaddy]

current (10:10pm) online poll results on www.Foxnews.com:

Who won Tuesday night's vice presidential debate?

a. Vice President Cheney (47%)
49,411

b. Senator Edwards (52%)
54,245

c. I did not watch (0%)
636

d. None of the above (1%)
652

104,944 total votes
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current MSNBC online poll results:

Who won the debate? * 592684 responses

VP Dick Cheney 32%
Sen. John Edwards 68%
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NOTE: online polls are anything but scientific. But you gotta admit that Fox News one is funny.


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[shamus mcfitzy]

I think Cheney has thrashed Edwards to this point

At first, I thought the VP was taken a beating


i think just our responses to the debate show that it was kinda hard to call. I definitely came out of it respecting both men more than I already did. Edwards came off very good holding his own against Cheney and I think managed to get his points in. Cheney obviously made his points as the favorite (I got the chills when he said that he had first met Edwards tonight, but I think Edwards defused it somewhat although never really refuting it which might mean its less of an exaggeration) and I thought that Cheney's answer about gay marriage was a good one that I definitely think was more compassionate than soem people would give him credit for. Edwards was laid back and seemed more clever whereas Cheney was more composed and smarter.

The networks didn't even have a consensus. NBC had Edwards up in the numbers given before, and obviously Fox was backing Cheney. CBS had the poll numbers as Cheney 29%, Edwards 42%, Tie 29% and ABC (surprisingly) had Cheney 52%, Edwards 29%, Tie 19%. That seems to definitely show that this debate might've just exchanged votes between the parties.

And Reefdwella, I'm certainly not getting on you, but people on the right in this country are the ones that have essentially managed to ignore the rights of minorities of all kinds in this country.

[mdr55]

What was up with Edwards going to the cup everytime Cheney talked?? Was he sticking his tongue out behind the cup??? No one can be that thirsty.

Did anyone else hear someone like crumbling papers inthe background when Cheney was speaking??

Sorry Cheney but you lose out on respect points when you only thanked the moderator but not Edwards. That wasn't nice.

And when you didn't stick up for your daughter. What the hell is up with that? She's your own blood.

The moderator freaking blew. It was like both Cheney and Edwards were pushing the time limit to see how much they can get away with.

[Recyclerz]

I think it will be considered a draw by most people. Cheney has an advantage because he looks and sounds like a stereotypical, sober and reasoned politician and Edwards looks "young" in comparison. Both men made a couple of good points but let a lot of hanging curves float by. I'm a little disappointed that Edwards didn't connect on a few more of those.

However, as W (ironically) once said, "Results matter." If you're happy with the economic priorities and foreign policy choices this Administration has made, then vote for Bush. If, like me, you think that most decisions made by these guys have been wrong and they have priorities that don't match yours, now would be a good time to work your ass off to make sure they get a limo ride home in January.



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[Reephdweller]

And Reefdwella, I'm certainly not getting on you, but people on the right in this country are the ones that have essentially managed to ignore the rights of minorities of all kinds in this country.



Agreed.

I never said I was a cheerleader for the right.

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[shamus mcfitzy]

Did Cheney help Bush HW pick Qualye in '88? because I think that might of been the only thing that prevented this from turning into a Bentson-Qualye debate if its true.

Did i miss when Cheney sold out his daughter? You have to understand he's gonna say as little as possible, so I wouldn't take that as selling her out. He's not gonna fly a rainbow flag.

[mdr55]

Is it me or are there only OBGYN doctors in America??? What's up with that?

[Yerdaddy]

<a href="http://www.debates.org/pages/trans2004b.html" target="_blank">Full transcript of the debate</a>

CHENEY FORGOT POLAND!

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[monsterone]

amazing. you're all offered a pile of shit w/ syrup poured on top and call it pancakes. same shit, different names.

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[HBox]

Did i miss when Cheney sold out his daughter?

He said he supports the President's policy and said no more. Saying he respectfully disagrees with Bush on this one issue would be the politically brave thing to do to show some respect for his daughter.

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[HBox]

amazing. you're all offered a pile of shit w/ syrup poured on top and call it pancakes. same shit, different names.

I'm sick of this. If you see no differences with the candidates, fine. Some of us do and don't appreciate being shit on for it.

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[Reephdweller]

And I know this has nothing to do with the thread, and has probably been said a thousand times before. But Damn, I love your sigs, Reef.


Thanks. I stumbled upon this old sigpic from another messageboard I made a L O O N G time ago, enjoy....

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[TheMojoPin]

Yet I do get troubled because there is very little leadership on the democratic side, and it's troubling to me.

Agreed. Which is why Nader gets my vote, AGAIN. But the Republicans have nothing better. Bush was the best they could offer from the ENTIRE party? I mean, talk about no experience...they ran him on name and name alone. Just because he won doesn't actually make him a good leader, or the Republicans a better party. The ENTIRE population of the country and Kerry and Bush is all we can come up with? Ouch.

And for the record, I'm not verbally harassed on a nearly daily basis by liberals about the "biased selection and business" of my book store. That's 100% conservative. So the nuts are out in force for both sides.

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[monsterone]

amazing. you're all offered a pile of shit w/ syrup poured on top and call it pancakes. same shit, different names.

I'm sick of this. If you see no differences with the candidates, fine. Some of us do and don't appreciate being shit on for it.

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don't take it personal. i just feel that regardless of who wins the election, it will be businesss as usual. we need a 3+ party system. they both cater to big interest and not the people they represent.

no offense. we as a nation are not in good shape. shit, in ny, the budget hasn't been passed on time in 25 years; try going beyond deadline at your job.

i'm actually going to vote for the opposition, regardless of party; clean out the system. you can't do your job - goodbye.

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[HBox]

no offense. we as a nation are not in good shape. shit, in ny, the budget hasn't been passed on time in 25 years; try going beyond deadline at your job.

Fair enough. I'm just not going to vote for a third party candidate just for the sake of voting for a third party candidate. I wouldn't want to actually have Nader or Badnarik as President. In fact, I might even prefer Bush to them.

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[TheMojoPin]

We don't expect or want them to win. We just want the message that we're not settling for the two big parties to get out there.

3rd party votes took out Bush in '92. 3rd party votes knocked Gore the fuck out in '00. If we can do it again this election, and I don't care which one eats it, then all the better.

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[monsterone]

no offense. we as a nation are not in good shape. shit, in ny, the budget hasn't been passed on time in 25 years; try going beyond deadline at your job.

Fair enough. I'm just not going to vote for a third party candidate just for the sake of voting for a third party candidate. I wouldn't want to actually have Nader or Badnarik as President. In fact, I might even prefer Bush to them.

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we need to start sometime. yet again we are faced with a lesser of 2 evils. what ever happened to dynamic political figures?

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[GodsFavoriteMan]

We don't expect or want them to win. We just want the message that we're not settling for the two big parties to get out there.

3rd party votes took out Bush in '92. 3rd party votes knocked Gore the fuck out in '00. If we can do it again this election, and I don't care which one eats it, then all the better.


In my opinion, the sorry state of the economy, the outsourced jobs, and the war in Iraq certainly wasn't worth the point being made. Especially since no one actually learned anything from it. I honestly don't think any of the three (or at least two of the three) would have happened under a Gore presidency. There is a difference between the two parties, and if there were a large enough third party, you can bet your ass they'd be taking money from special interest groups, too.

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[TheMojoPin]

The economy was on a natural downturn, and there's zero to indicate the amount of outsourced jobs would have been any different under Gore. Plus, how do you know he wouldn't have fucked up as badly Bush, but just in different ways? Saints Gore and Kerry inspire nothing.

There's ALWAYS going to be some horseshit excuse about "now not being the time." Fuck that. Now IS the time. Anything else is just more of the bullshit movement in this country to limit people's choices OVER everything. Sorry, I'm not playing that game. I want more options. I'm making them.

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[monsterone]

you can bet your ass they'd be taking money from special interest groups, too.



not even close. why would they bother? plus big interests kept 3rd paties out of the debates b/c they sposoured the debates.



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[shamus mcfitzy]

don't take it personal. i just feel that regardless of who wins the election, it will be businesss as usual. we need a 3+ party system. they both cater to big interest and not the people they represent.

i'm actually going to vote for the opposition, regardless of party; clean out the system. you can't do your job - goodbye.


but posting that "you're all offered a pile of shit....and call it pancakes" doesn't really do much. Travel forward in time and hope for the best if you don't want to deal with the meaningless debates we have now, but for now we do have to elect presidents.

With that said I agree with Monster and Mojo, in that voting for a third party isn't about voting for a person but a message that you like. In the German system you vote for a party and a person for the legislature. That's definitely how i'd like shit to work out. But especially because I live in like the third bluest state right now, the choice between either voting for the better of two people or voting for an ideology is easy: I go ideology.


I was thinking about it today and I guess I could look it up but it'd be much easier if any of you remember if Bush HW or Dole had more of the vote against Clinton. I'd assume that Bush HW had more but assuming Clinton had like 55% (he had a majority didn't he?) in 92 and Perot had 19%, that leaves Bush HW with like 25%. I think Perot had less in 96 and for some reason I remember Dole getting in the high 20 percents. Not real important but if Dole had more it certainly doesn't seem that way when the media looks back at the 92 and 96 elections.

[GodsFavoriteMan]

you can bet your ass they'd be taking money from special interest groups, too.



not even close. why would they bother? plus big interests kept 3rd paties out of the debates b/c they sposoured the debates.

If they figured that a 3rd party candidate was viable, then certainly they'd want their eggs in that basket. But that is not the reality of the situation. A third party system will not be a viable option within presdential elections except as a possible spoiler.

The best way for a third party to become viable is by starting locally. And the Green and Reform parties have had a successful start in doing so.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not attacking a three party system, that would be great. I'm not saying it's a pipe dream, either. It's becoming more viable as time moves on.

I applaud your desire to vote for an ideology and that's great, but living in TN and knowing I absolutely don't want Bush back in office, then I will vote for his viable opponent. It doesn't hurt that I support Kerry, and that may simply be my bias. But I honestly do believe there is a sharp difference between the two parties.

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[FMJeff]

But yet there is this elitest mentality at play on the side of liberalism that seeks to demean and demoralize anyone who has a difference of opinion.


oh horseshit, reefdweller. My quote, even taken out of context, has nothing to do with Bush's difference of opinion from Kerry's. It is an assessment of the man's stubbornness and lack of intelligence, of which both poor qualities for the president of the most powerful country in the world. I don't know about you, but I don't want a stubborn idiot running the world. The spin coming out of that man's mouth was downright insufferable. You would STILL go to war knowing what you know now? Are you KIDDING me? Yes, Saddam Hussein is a thread, but not a pressing one. He could have been handled later. War funds could have been put to better use here at home. I don't care how many "mexed missages" Kerry is sending...you don't rush to war with any country who is not on the verge of attacking you. Nothing in our intelligence says he was. We had no right going there. Period. If he had intent, we wouldn't even be arguing this. It's not liberalism, its common sense and good foreign policy.

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[shamus mcfitzy]

I applaud your desire to vote for an ideology and that's great, but living in TN and knowing I absolutely don't want Bush back in office, then I will vote for his viable opponent.


well then I'd probably do what you're doing. NY and TN seem like worlds apart when it comes to the election.

[mdr55]

Are you KIDDING me? Yes, Saddam Hussein is a thread, but not a pressing one.

You're either with BUSH or with the tailorists.

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[Reephdweller]

My quote, even taken out of context


Actually not. I said it just as you left it out there. Your argument is valid, and I don't know how many times and different ways I can say it. However, as I tried to explain again and again is that when someone like myself who has often at times been on the fence about this president and the administration reads statements likes yours it just reminds me of why I don't vote democrat.

Understand that it's an attitude thing, and it's not a suggestion on my part that a boardmember or any of you can sway my vote one way or the other, but I was trying to demonstrate an overall attitude that is in the democratic party as a whole that is killing your party. It is this same attitude that keeps the undecided vote away from voting for democrats.

I'm not against your ideas, and I'm not against your candidate or party. I didn't even make my comments as if I'm someone trying to degrade you in hopes of pushing for Bush. I have yet to post positive or supportive discussions about Bush for a reason. I can't defend his actions, and I can't defend his policies. But nevermind, as I said before I'm done arguing about this. I brought this topic up not to trash John Kerry but more because I didn't like the attitude that you and some of the board members have. However I was wrong to do so and derail the thread. I apologized.

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[curtoid]

And Cheney attacking the attendance of both Kerry and Edwards was brilliant, and the line where he mentioned that the first time he met Edwards in person was during that debate was great.

Was it great because he failed to mention that he is the first Vice President in over 70 years that only meets with members of his own party, or was it great because it was another out and out lie (they've met 3 times). (http://yahoo.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/nation/president/2004-10-06-debate-first-meeting_x.htm?csp=1)???

am amazed. I'm going to News websites and Edwards is winning by margins bigger than Kerry had last debate. Even Fox News.com, which I didn't check last debate, has Edwards winning 50%-49%, but most sites have Edwards in the 70s. Wow. I thought Cheney won bigger tonight then Kerry had won, but I guess I was wrong, unless Democratic blogs are flooding the polls.


Both the Democrats and Republicans put out word to flood the instant polls, so pretty much all of them are useless.

If we can do it again this election, and I don't care which one eats it, then all the better.

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[mdr55]

Is it me or do the hostilities towards the other parties candidates seem staged like it is in wrestling and after they are out of public view go out and have a beer together. They know the same people, go to the same functions, maybe even the same country club.

At the bar:

Cheney- You caught me off guard with your praise of my relationship with my daughter. I didn't know what to say afterwards.

Edwards- Me? How bout you. When you said that was the first time you ever met me. I was thinking to myself for a moment-"First time?"- heck we hung out yesterday on the golf course.

Toast: To Politics!

Cheney: Don't forget my wife's surprise party on Saturday.

Edwards: Heck! I forgot to get a gift. Thanks for reminding me.

Cheney: Don't forget the press will be there.

Edwards: I know. We'll go through the back way. I'll tell Kerry. ;p

[GodsFavoriteMan]

Who knows? One of my best friends is hard core Republican, but when he and I talk on politics it gets heated. But he's a great friend and politics don't matter between us.

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[silera]

From factcheck.org:

Cheney Plugs FactCheck

Cheney got our domain name wrong -- calling us "FactCheck.com" -- and wrongly implied that we had rebutted allegations Edwards was making about what Cheney had done as chief executive officer of Halliburton.

In fact, we did post an article pointing out that Cheney hasn't profited personally while in office from Halliburton's Iraq contracts, as falsely implied by a Kerry TV ad. But Edwards was talking about Cheney's responsibility for earlier Halliburton troubles. And in fact, Edwards was mostly right.



On a side note, factcheck.com now leads you to George Soros website and in huge bold white font the first thing you read is

Why we must not re-elect President Bush

I was tickled.


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[silera]

I've never been to this site, but it seems disproportionately to have to debunk Republican "facts."

I don't think Cheney should have used it as backup, some people might start actually reading.

This is of course assuming that people actually care to verify anything they're told these days, and I'm convinced that in general, they are not.



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[TheMojoPin]

the choice between either voting for the better of two people or voting for an ideology is easy: I go ideology.

Exactly. I live in Virginia. A vote for Kerry is flushing my vote down the toilet, especially since I can't stand the guy, and I support him over next to nothing. But no, that's alright, I should vote for him because OTHER people want me to vote for him. Silly me!

Nader votes jeopardize women's health

State's rights uber alles. I may not agree with the decision, and being that this is REALITY, things won't always go my way, but when it comes to guns, drugs and abortion, I want those decisions made state by state, as opposed to sweeping federal legislation.





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[curtoid]

A vote for Kerry is flushing my vote down the toilet

Maybe - maybe not (49/43) (http://www.electoral-vote.com/states/virginia.html)

But no, that's alright, I should vote for him because OTHER people want me to vote for him. Silly me!

Vote for whomever you want (is Nader even on the VA ballot??) - just don't expect some of us to agree that there isn't a real difference between a vote for Kerry and a vote for Bush.



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[Doctor Manhattan]

Cheney's got a huge set of balls passing a chance to defend himself to a web site he doesn't control:

Looks like Edwards and Cheney both got stuff wrong (http://www.factcheck.org/article.aspx?docID=272)


Cheney wrongly implied that FactCheck had defended his tenure as CEO of Halliburton Co.,
and the vice president even got our name wrong.
He overstated matters when he said Edwards voted "for the war" and "to commit the troops,
to send them to war."
He exaggerated the number of times Kerry has voted to raise taxes,
and puffed up the number of small business owners who would see a tax increase under Kerry's proposals.

Edwards falsely claimed the administration "lobbied the Congress" to cut the combat pay of troops in Iraq,
something the White House never supported, and he used misleading numbers about jobs.


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This message was edited by SKW on 10-6-04 @ 12:56 PM

[Mike Teacher]

Thats a good Q, Curtoid. How many states is Nader on, if any? Is the guy the Green Party nominated on?

I only ask because this election is approching the almost perfect example where a third party would change things such that a vote for your third party candidates is the same as a vote for the candidate you dislike most.

"Prisoners Dillemma" by William Poundstone kicks ass. He asks the question: Is Democracy Mathematically unsound? Wow, there are some cases where its a definite.

A quick solution to this with an explanation to be said later: Be able to vote for more then one candidate and/or have more then one candidate in each party. WooHOO!



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[TheMojoPin]

Vote for whomever you want (is Nader even on the VA ballot??)

Sadly, no. WRITE-IN!

just don't expect some of us to agree that there isn't a real difference between a vote for Kerry and a vote for Bush.

To be blunt, why should I care? It's my vote and nobody else's. What other people think about my vote is moot, because it's MINE.

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[curtoid]

What other people think about my vote is moot, because it's MINE.

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Mine! Mine! All Mine!

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[high fly]

Cheney's got a huge set of balls passing a chance to defend himself to a web site he doesn't control:

Looks like Edwards and Cheney both got stuff wrong (http://www.factcheck.org/article.aspx?docID=272)

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He overstated matters when he said Edwards voted "for the war" and "to commit the troops,
to send them to war."


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I believe that in Bush's October 7, 2002 speech asking for the authority to use force, that he specifically stated that the vote would not be for war, but just for the authority to give him a stronger negotiating position.
I believe he also said that if there was a war, that it would occur only after he got another U.N. resolution and some other shit.



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Vice President Dick Cheney, who has called Iran "the world's leading exporter of terror," pushed to lift U.S. trade sanctions against Tehran while chairman of Halliburton Co. in the 1990s. And his company's offshore subsidiaries also expanded business in Iran. (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=694&ncid=716&e=6&u=/ap/20041008/ap_on_el_pr/cheney_iran)



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[blakjeezis]

I'm not allowed to vote, but if I was, I have no clue who it would be for. I don't think Bush should be kept in office. I don't disagree with his policies, necessarily, but I do strongly feel that his administration is up to all types of shit, and is lying through its teeth. I cannot abide that.

On the other hand, I could not in good conscience vote for Kerry. Even if he was a worthwhile candidate, which he isn't, the Democratic party and its platform is so hideous that I'd have trouble voting for anyone running on it.

Third party/write-in votes I see as a waste, no offense Mojo. Yeah, it's letting them know that the 2 party system sucks, but there's never going to be enough that they're gonna give a shit.

That leaves only one option. REVOLUTION!!

Seriously. I need a rugged, young, idealistic, Latino man to join me on a motorcycle tour I'm planning on taking across the country. Anyone interested can PM me.

And just to make this relevant to the VP debate thread, I'll steal from Dennis Miller, "Dick Cheney is a white cat and a bad accent away from being a Bond villain."

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[TheMojoPin]

Seriously. I need a rugged, young, idealistic, Latino man to join me on a motorcycle tour I'm planning on taking across the country. Anyone interested can PM me.

I was totally up for it, but then I saw you were taking along a diary, and that's just SO gay.

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