The Rise & Fall of E.C.W. on DVD

[Crippler]

I know there a lot of ECW fans around here, so I thought I wouls share. I got an email today from Highspots & just before I deleted it, I saw this (http://www.highspots.com/www/stores_app/Browse_Item_Details.asp?AffiliateID=46&Store_id=125&page_id=23&Item_ID=10698):

(Scheduled release date has been moved back by the WWE to November 9 and WWE has now decided to make this a DOUBLE DVD instead of a single DVD)

Follow the rise and fall of Extreme Championship Wrestling on this special Double DVD release!
ECW redefined professional wrestling in the '90s with a reckless, brutal, death-defying, and often bloody style that came to be known as "hardcore." It attracted a rabid, cult-like following that is still going strong today.

This 6-hour, 2-disc set follows the rise and eventual demise of the company that raised the bar and revolutionized sports-entertainment forever.

DVD Extras:
Seven bonus matches, including:

- The Pit Bulls vs. Raven & Stevie Richards
2 out of 3 Falls Dog Collar Match for ECW World Tag Team Championship
Gangsta's Paradise - Philadelphia, PA (09-16-95)
- Rey Mysterio Jr. vs. Psichosis
2 out of 3 Falls, Hardcore TV - Philadelphia, PA (10-17-95)
- Mikey Whipwreck vs. The Sandman
Ladder Match for ECW Championship
Hardcore TV - Philadelphia, PA (10-28-95)
- 2 Cold Scorpio vs. Sabu
ECW TV Championship Match
CyberSlam - Philadelphia, PA (02-17-96)
- Tommy Dreamer vs. Raven
WrestlePalooza - Philadelphia, PA (06-06-)97
(Alternate Commentary)
- Tazz vs. Bam Bam Bigelow
ECW TV Championship Match
Living Dangerously - Asbury Park, NY (03-01-98)
(Alternate Commentary)
- RVD vs. Jerry Lynn
ECW World Television Championship Match
Hardcore Heaven - Poughkeepsie, NY (05-16-99)
(Alternate Commentary)
- Steven Richards Apologizes for Leaving ECW
- Tazz Seeks Paul Heyman's Blessing
- Paul Heyman: Travel Agent

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This message was edited by Crippler on 10-6-04 @ 10:57 PM

[JesterOfSadness]

I think I just pissed myself

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[FUNKMAN]

probably be a good thing to pick up...

being there won't be a "Yankees 2004 World Series" dvd...
;)

you know i kid

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[Evilpete]

here's why any ECW fan who still loves ECWSHOULDN't pick this up:

1. this is going to be more biased then that "monday night Wars" Only ECW people that work for WWE are interviewed and Paul Heyman has ZERO control on this project.

2. Much of the great stars from ECW won't be featured. For example, Shane Douglas won't be in it since he owns all rights to his name, likeness, and footage.

3. No Joey Styles!!!!

4. I guarentee you that all facts will be twisted and "forgotten"...you know, like the minor fact that ECW was forced off TNN illegaly by the WWE

(for those that don't know, ECW had a clause in their contract that if they maintain a certain rating, they stay on TNN. ECW was doing so, but when Viacock got WWE programming, they out of the blue took ECW off the air because Vince didn't want it on the same network as his programming...I still want to know the reasin why ECW didn't sue over breach of contract)

one glaring omission I know of: WWE won't admit-if it wasn't for ECW and stealing the idea of the edgy-style programming ECW did, WCWwould have put Vince out of business

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[walking joint]

i don't care how biased the DVD will be, it will just be nice to see some of the old ECW matches.

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[Crippler]

2. Much of the great stars from ECW won't be featured. For example, Shane Douglas won't be in it since he owns all rights to his name, likeness, and footage.
That sucks. There really should never be an ECW retrospective without Shane. Besides, how do you start off the disc without the footage of Shane throwing down the NWA title?

3. No Joey Styles!!!!
Shit, I never even considered that. I wondered why the bonus matches were mostly ones that had already appeared on ECW DVDs. Then I realized they said "alternate commentary" next to each. Wow, if his voice isn't calling the every match, it just won't feel like you're watching ECW. And, God forbid, they let someone who never was involved in ECW do commentary (like JR or the King), I will have to take a drive up 95 to Titan Towers to get my refund.

Suddenly, I'm not quite as anxious to get this as I was last night.

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[walking joint]

let someone who never was involved in ECW do commentary (like JR or the King),


the King was part of one of my favorite ECW angles. he played the WWF role, but he did a few appearances and wrestled a match or two. his first appearance was awesome...in the cage. they gave dreamer an great beatdown. i loved when ECW would shut the lights off for a surprise appearance...and his was great.

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[Crippler]

True, and his involvment with the ECW/WWF crossover angles were well used, but I never want to hear his voice call an ECW match. I might break a TV if I ever hear him refer to Francine's "puppies."

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[Tenbatsuzen]

This thing better have the Beulah #1 Crush Video.

I guess it's a longshot for Kimona dancing on top of the Arena, eh?



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[SpicyMcHaggis]

This is just like Vince. Heyman is probably furious that his brainchild is just being treated like shit. I feel bad for the guy.


"And I never will play the Wild Rover no more."

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I'm not Shamus McFitzy.

[Crippler]

probably be a good thing to pick up...

being there won't be a "Yankees 2004 World Series" dvd...
You can be so mean some times! :(
(Don't know how that slipped by me the first time I read it)

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[Crippler]

Got my copy yesterday & got through almost the entire first disc. Not a lot of wrestling, more like a documentary where it shows bits & pieces of matches, but none in full. Lots of interviews with the wrestlers, plus Vince & Easy E. I really like the way they put it together so far.

It does still have Joey's calls of the matches, and even cutaways to him in front of the ECW flags, but I know it would be so much better if you could hear his thoughts on some of the stuff...and sadly, this is missing.

Anyone else pick this up yet?

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This message was edited by Crippler on 11-16-04 @ 10:11 AM

[walking joint]

i haven't gotten it yet, but plan on doing so soon. the commercial for it last night brought back the wrestling fan in me...i miss ECW alot. I'm almost done with wrestling as it is now.

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[Se7en]

I wasn't even really a fan of ECW, but still, I wouldn't pick this up, even if I was a fan, considering how I generally can't stomach the WWE's revisions of history.

Shit, I never even considered that. I wondered why the bonus matches were mostly ones that had already appeared on ECW DVDs. Then I realized they said "alternate commentary" next to each. Wow, if his voice isn't calling the every match, it just won't feel like you're watching ECW.

I hate, hate, HATE the WWE commentaries of classic matches / footage. Some of the commentary on the Eddy / Benoit discs is just BAD.

Note to WWE: I never want to hear Michael Cole or Todd Grisham or any of your other shitty excuses for play-by-play men commentating on classic matches. NEVER.

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[WNEWstinks]

I just got it this afternoon. I watched 1/4 of it today and will watch the rest of the first dvd tonight. Good stuff.

I got mine at FYE and it came with a ECW skull cap! Good shit. I saw an ad for best buy and some of their dvds come with a RVD figure.

I'M GETTING BILLY STAPLES BIG ASS CARD!!!

[LD5K]

the night kimona wannalaya danced upon the ECW arena.

that sentence has been burned into my head.

every other commericial on ecw show was for that.

"i'm gay for Austin"

[Fallon]

I got disc one in the mail from Netflix today. Looking forward to watching it tonight.

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[MrPink]

that reminds me, what happened to raven? is he still in wwf or was he fired?

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[xxxnyhcxxx]

that reminds me, what happened to raven? is he still in wwf or was he fired?He's in TNA.

[YoungJersey]

i just got mine today( W/RVD figure). I didn't get a chance to watch the whole thing. i watched about an hour. i liked it so far. couple of things though:

1. i wish they to talk to ALL of the wrestlers that made ECW great. like Shane Douglas, Sandman, and Raven.

2. Easy E is annoying

3. show more AL Snow!!!( however i have yet to watch all of it.)

[BigKilla]

It's better than the Moday Night Wars DVD. On the 2nd disc, the original entrance music has been replaced with WWE music on some of the matches.

[Tenbatsuzen]

If Taz and Bigelow go through the mat is on this DVD, you'll see me on the DVD.

Left corner of your screen, I'm one of the last people to jump up after they go through, because I had FALLEN ASLEEP. (Long day, I had been working the Belmar St. Pats parade earlier in the day)



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[Fallon]

I watched it last night and loved it. Got really bummed out for the last hour or so (the fall part). WWE did a good job with this, even though it was only done with interviews from company guys.

I'm glad it was rated MA. No censoring was good, espessialy for Heyman and the Dudleyz

If Taz and Bigelow go through the mat is on this DVD, you'll see me on the DVD.
It is.

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[BrownTown]

Screw a WWE DVD.
Just go to <a href="http://www.rfvideo.com">RF Video</a> & buy the original footage with Joey's commentary.


Burned even further into my head than the Kimona "commercial" is the one for <i>Born To Be Wired</i>

"There are those who would say......."

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[YoungJersey]

Old Fave Joel Gertner's Catch Phrases:

1 .And there's me, Joel, the biggest ladykiller in Buffalo since O.J. Simpson, Gertner."

2.It is rich marvelous I, The Quintessential Studmuffin Joel "The skinless bananna in your tropical fruit salad of love" Gertner

3.Your referee is a dirty old man who made a pass at me backstage

4.Attached to the creature who last night impregnated your mother...."

5.Joel "The man who's phone number is on your girlfriends speed-dial, because she loves the way I
*69 her" Gertner

6.Joel "Point the direction you want my erection" Gertner

7."At this time we were going to show you clips of Terry Funk but we couldn't dig them up, but even if they did our stations don't encourage us to use black and white footage

ENJOY!

[Crippler]

An old discussion about Gertnerisms (http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/viewmessages.cfm/Forum/66/Topic/17707/page/Favorite_Joel_Gertner_Quote.htm), for your enjoyment.

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[SpicyMcHaggis]

I just have to say, everyone here should watch Byte This with Paul Heyman because they truly get in some good shots on why ECW was one of the most innovative brands and if you want to see Paul Heyman shoot, this is the interview.

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[Iamnotatool]

Where and how do I see Byte this?

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[Fallon]

Where and how do I see Byte this?
WWE.com (http://www.wwe.com/community/bytethis/bytethis_2004.jsp)

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[SpicyMcHaggis]

It really was pretty good. Especially what Tommy Dreamer said during his interview and who he brought on was pretty suprising.

On a very minor note, can somebody fix my sig pic? I seem to have screwed it up somehow.

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[Hosp]

I'm about 90 minutes into it.

I miss the old days.

Joey Styles is still the comentator.

And I'm a little upset that they talk about "Fan Petitions" but don't mention Tony Lewis and Strictly ECW. He spear headed a lot of the efforts and even got a nod on the Beyond the Mat DVD for his support.

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[Teenweek]

An old discussion about Gertnerisms (http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/viewmessages.cfm/Forum/66/Topic/17707/page/Favorite_Joel_Gertner_Quote.htm), for your enjoyment.



Here are some more.

-I am the peeled banana in your fruitbowl of love"
-"Well, well, well if you got an hour, I've got the power.
-Joel 'You can't have your pudding if you don't eat your meat' Gertner"
-"Joel 'The man who is so big he can't help from hurtin her' Gertner"
-Joel 'Just like the Rubix Cube, the more you play with it, the harder it gets' Gertner
-Joel 'Put your lipstick on my dipstick' Gertner
-Joel 'Point the direction you want my erection' Gertner"
-Joel 'Bigger and better than the Titanic, because only 400 women went down on the Titanic' Gertner
-Joel 'I've busted more nuts than a peanut factory' Gertner
-The quintessential studmuffin, the man whose wit is more tongue in cheek than a lesbian orgy, Joel 'The man whose phone number is on your girlfriend's speed-dial, because she loves the way I sixty-nine her' Gertner
-Squeeze my lemons till the juice runs down my leg
-Joel 'Delivers more package than UPS' Gertner
-Joel 'I'm like the middle of the litter box...I'm always surrounded by pussy' Gertner
-Joel, I'm the one they want to pork, when I'm in Albany New York
-Joel 'all the women in Alabama want to take me to court, cause they've swallowed my stuff, and now they want child support.
-But if being hung is a crime, then I'm "Guilty as Charged," cause the women all know, that I'm pretty damn large'
-And Well... Well... Well... It Is I, Often Imitated, Never Duplicated, She'll Think She's Constipated, When She's Being Penetrated By The Quintessential Stud Muffin, Joel, You Know I've Got No Shame, I Met A Girl Who Feels The Same, Between My Distance And My Aim, I Hit The Ceiling When I...
-im not on survivor im not on big brother, if im not with ur sister, im probably with your mother
-hotter than tobasco sauce but much easier to swallow
-if you dont wanna wake up sore, then u dont wanna be my whore

[walking joint]

I just watched the Heyman Byte This episode and want the DVD even more now. Dreamer/Heyman/Taz/Dudleys all seemed to have given honest interviews on the show and they all say it gives a fair representation of what happened with ECW. i can't wait to get it.

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[Tazz]

Just my random thoughts after watching:

-I can't believe they gave the documentary part almost
3 hours. That rocks.

-I am glad they included some of the Bubba Ray vs. The
Fans stuff unedited. That was pure gold.

-I forgot how ugly Francine was.

-I forgot how hot Tammy Sytch and Lita used to be.

-I'm glad I got to see Tazz's glory days. God he rocked
that fed.

-I forgot how much of a dick Bischoff is. He didn't even
pretend not to be.

-Kind of pissed that they showed Tazz losing to HHH
after he beat Mike Awesome, but I am not surprised.
At least Vince kind of admitted that it was a mistake.

-I wish they showed more of the "WWF Invasion" stuff
with Lawler, Brakus, Van Dam, and Sabu.

- I wish they showed the two tap out victories for Tazz
over Douglas for the Television and World titles.

Excellent DVD. Maybe the best I have seen from the WWE.

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[Evilpete]

SO far from what I read of it, it seems like a nice Christmas present to ask for. I wouldn't buy it myself, just because it sounds like some details were left out, or edited (like why ECW was taken off of TNN, I read at the time a lot of people were pointing the finger to WWE, and that Heyman was gin gto sue Viacom over breach of contract). Does anyone else feel the same way about this DVD?


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[Tazz]

like why ECW was taken off of TNN,


They talk all about that.....

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[lostmywitz]

I have to admit that was a great DVD.

[who6489]

I've only watched Disc 1 so far. I got into ECW in the later years, when Taz had the belt, so to see and learn about the early days was really cool. Seeing Tommy Dreamer and the Tazmaniac in the early days was funny. :eg:

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[Iamnotatool]

Got it at best buy last night for 12 bucks, and it came with that fruity RVD guy

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[IAMTHEGAME]

They even mentioned the "Mass Transit" incident,Why is it called Mass Transit anyway?Was that the name of the event?Iremember when they showed it on Extra and the kids father was in attendence screaming from ringside.

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[Tazz]

Why is it called Mass Transit anyway?


Because that was the character name that fat fuck kid used that night.

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[Tenbatsuzen]

Because that was the character name that fat fuck kid used that night.



Kid's life was so wrapped up in pro-wrestling, when he realized he had no future in pro wrestling, he killed himself.

I'm not sure if I feel bad, or if that's pretty funny.



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[Heather 8]

Kid's life was so wrapped up in pro-wrestling, when he realized he had no future in pro wrestling, he killed himself.

I'm not sure if I feel bad, or if that's pretty funny.


I find it pathetic, but at the same time, I can kinda understand.

I'm watching the DVDs right now... damn, there's a whole lot of Stevie on this thing. :8|:

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[Hosp]

I own the Mass Transit Video, and it's sick. He caught an artery.

I don't know if he ever even watched ECW before that because he brought a midget with him who was expecting to get on the show.

I found 2 extras so far though, Public Enemy training Mikey to fight the sand man, and the video package promoting the Bam Bam/Taz Living Dangerously.



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[Tenbatsuzen]

Things that are missing...

Pillman.

I'm sure that Pillman couldn't be used because 1) he's dead, 2) Shane Douglas would have nothing to do with this, and 3) Austin's on the outs with WWE right now. But still, Pillman going crazy was classic ECW.

2) Why the hell wasn't there any interviews with Deano Machino or Lita? I mean, Dawn Marie wasn't an integral part of ECW til late, and she's a major component of this DVD.

Not that I'm complaining. Nice dress, Dawn. Jeez.

3) The missing 4-way dance with Jericho, PB2, Too COld, and Shane. That really annoys me.

(Maybe they are saving that for a best of ECW DVD down the road?)

The match selection was really irksome. None of these matches really had a massive impact on ECW outside of the Taz/Bigelow match. Where are the Gangstas? The Eliminators?

DOC AND GORDY

DOC AND GORDY

DOC AND GORDY.

It was the first time i ever saw the Austin ECW promos. That was great shit.

I'm surprised that Missy Hyatt wasn't on this DVD, considering that she was Sandman's valet for much longer than WOMAN was. But WOMAN got a huge amount of face time.

I'm really shocked that they didn't interview Nancy, considering she is, after all, BENOIT'S WIFE. Unless she's not that TV friendly anymore.

It's funny. Dreamer, Paul E, Stevie, and everyone else gained weight, but Bubba Ray LOST weight.





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[IAMTHEGAME]

I loved the DVD and I love Dreamer but they shitted on Justin Credible when they showed Taz dropping the belt to Dreamer ,never showed that he lost it to Credible 15 min. later and then Dreamer says Heyman put the belt on him since he knew he wasnt leaving,sounding like he kept it after that night.On Byte this though they did give Credible props.Plus their was no Steve Corino..at all as if he was never their,and their should have been like 10-15 matches that would of made the dvd probably the best ever...in my opinion!

The Cerebral Assassin of the RNF message board!

[SpicyMcHaggis]

I just hope that their is a volume II.

Oh, and back to the Byte This special on ECW, what Heyman has to say about NWA-TNA is very interesting.

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[WNEWstinks]

Now that I think about it, they didn't say a word abot how ECW reformed on RAW that night. As much as it sucked after that one night they should have showed how RVD and Dreamer came out and how the former ECW guys turned on the WWF guys. That was a mark out moment if I ever saw one.

I'M GETTING BILLY STAPLES BIG ASS CARD!!!

[Tenbatsuzen]

Now that I think about it, they didn't say a word abot how ECW reformed on RAW that night. As much as it sucked after that one night they should have showed how RVD and Dreamer came out and how the former ECW guys turned on the WWF guys. That was a mark out moment if I ever saw one.

I'M GETTING BILLY STAPLES BIG ASS CARD!!!

That was never ECW. That a failed subplot of the Alliance angle.

The only remnant of how "Extreme" the WWE got is the size of Steph's chest.



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[The Nature Boy]

The missing Pillman stuff is a huge letdown to me in an otherwise stellar effort. This was 4 brillant years they were trying to compress, where virtually every angle and TV show is worth viewing as a whole from at least 95-97.

The one glaring thing I missed was their tribute to Louie Spicoli, who had defected to WCW previously. I found Paul E.'s speech where he said "Unlike some organizations who use it as a catch phrase, here, truly, when you are ECW , you are ECW for life"

No moment better summed up that company for me.

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[BoondockSaint]

I got to see the documentry part of this yeasterday. I was never a big fan of ECW just because I was away at college while it was really starting to get hot, so I never got a chance to see it. A couple of things I came away with after seeing this were:

1) Paul Heyman and some of the wrestlers would have done it for free because they loved it so much.

2) It must be fun to be in a room with Heyman and Bischoff.

I have a question, though. Vince McMahon did alot for ECW. What does everyone believe? It comes across as he was trying to help them survive when he could, but would he really do that?

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[Se7en]

I wouldn't read too much altruism into Vince's actions.

Both he and Bischoff were in it to raid ECW of its talent and of its ideas. Bischoff mainly stole ECW's talent - something that he denies, but he did. Vince stole both talent and IDEAS (the "Attitude" era owed a lot to the edgy stuff Heyman was doing in ECW). The only difference was that Vince wanted to keep them around so that he could steal more talent & ideas in the future. The only real difference between Vince & Eric was that Eric was only concerned with what he could take from ECW at any given point in time - he didn't give a shit, really, about ECW's long term survival, whereas Vince wanted to keep them around almost as a sort of WWE farm league.

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[GFord1997]

Is there any other quality DVD out there that reviews the history of ECW? BTW, what is Joey Stiles doing now?