Everything that could go wrong.......

[HBox]

Here is a great article from MSNBC about possible election problems. (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6267752/)

This article examines some of the more problematic election scenarios: An electoral tie, Florida-type recount controversies, and terrorist attacks.

The most interesting to me is the electoral tie. The simplest way for it to happen is if everything goes the same as 2000, except Kerry takes New Hampshire (probably will) and Nevada (slight possiblity) or if he takes West Virginia (Not likely). In that case the House will determine the President and, I didn't know this, the Senate determines the Vice President. Since the Senate has a real chance of going Democratic, one possible outcome of this election would be John Edwards as Bush's Vice President! Or, in even wackier world, Cheney as Kerry's Vice President! That last one's probably impossible, though.

The article also touches on the possiblity of another electoral vote/popular vote split.

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[Yerdaddy]

Dude, it's Sunday. There's football on and you want me to worry about elections??? Come on, dammit! Get your priorities in order!

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[FUNKMAN]

please keep holy the day of our Lord...

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[Yerdaddy]

Does it say anything in there about burning democrats as witches? It's becoming one of my biggest fears.

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[A.J.]

Everything that could go wrong.......

did for the Red Sox on Saturday night.

Oh sorry -- wrong forum.

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[curtoid]

Can anyone give me a good reason why the electorial college is needed in modern times?

Or, how about making voting manditory (like in Australia), and/or on weekends so we can at least get a larger turn out?

And why can't we get an accross the board, easy to use national voting system in place?

And finally, would it make things better or worse if we limit a President's term to one six year stint? No matter which party is in the White House, I am always annoyed/disturbed that a full year of their term, it seems, is wasted devoted to getting the job again.

I want my President working for the American people, dammit, not pandering to his party.



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[furie]

the EU's sending obervers to make sure everything goes soothly. I feel safe now.


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[Yerdaddy]

You can bet that if Bush wins only one state this election Karl Rove will contest the other 49. The first story in <a href="http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200411/green" target="_blank">this article</a> is about a close race for the the state supreme court in Alabama where Rove drug out the legal contest of the election for a year and took it as far as the Supreme Court.

What's worse though is the record of cheap smear tactics Rove has built up over the years. This man is a disgrace. He makes Nixon look like John Edwards.

Story about a campaign Rove was running for a judgeship in Alabama:
Some of Kennedy's campaign commercials touted his volunteer work, including one that showed him holding hands with children. "We were trying to counter the positives from that ad," a former Rove staffer told me, explaining that some within the See camp initiated a whisper campaign that Kennedy was a pedophile. "It was our standard practice to use the University of Alabama Law School to disseminate whisper-campaign information," the staffer went on. "That was a major device we used for the transmission of this stuff. The students at the law school are from all over the state, and that's one of the ways that Karl got the information out-he knew the law students would take it back to their home towns and it would get out." This would create the impression that the lie was in fact common knowledge across the state. "What Rove does," says Joe Perkins, "is try to make something so bad for a family that the candidate will not subject the family to the hardship. Mark is not your typical Alabama macho, beer-drinkin', tobacco-chewin', pickup-drivin' kind of guy. He is a small, well-groomed, well-educated family man, and what they tried to do was make him look like a homosexual pedophile. That was really, really hard to take."

More:
[quote]I interviewed people who knew Rove, they brought up examples of unscrupulous tactics-some of them breathtaking-as a matter of course.

A typical instance occurred in the hard-fought 1996 race for a seat on the Alabama Supreme Court between Rove's client, Harold See, then a University of Alabama law professor, and the Democratic incumbent, Kenneth Ingram. According to someone who worked for him, Rove, dissatisfied with the campaign's progress, had flyers printed up-absent any trace of who was behind them-viciously attacking See and his family. "We were trying to craft a message to reach some of the blue-collar, lower-middle-class people," the staffer says. "You'd roll it up, put a rubber band around it, and paperboy it at houses late at night. I was told, 'Do not hand it to anybody, do not tell anybody who you're with, and if you can, borrow a car that doesn't have your tags.' So I borrowed a buddy's car [and drove] down the middle of the street . I had Hefty bags stuffed full of these rolled-up pamphlets, and I'd cruise the designated neighborhoods, throwing these things out with both hands and literally driving with my knees." The ploy left Rove's opponent at a loss. Ingram's staff realized that it would be fruitless to try to persuade the public that the See campaign was attacking its own candidate in order "to create a backlash against the Democrat," as Joe Perkins, who worked for Ingram, put it to me. Presumably the public would believe that Democrats were spreading terrible rumors about See and his family. "They just beat you down to your knees," Ingram said of being on the receiving end of Rove's attacks. See won the race.

Some of Rove's darker tactics cut even closer to the bone. One constant throughout his career is the prevalence of whisper campaigns against opponents. The 2000 primary campaign, for example, featured a widely disseminated rumor that John McCain, tortured as a prisoner of war in Vietnam, had betrayed his country under interrogation and been rendered mentally unfit for office. More often a Rove campaign questions an opponent's sexual orientation. Bush's 1994 race against Ann Richards featured a rumor that she was a lesbian, along with a rare instance of such

[A.J.]

You can bet that if Bush wins only one state this election Karl Rove will contest the other 49.


Why do you say that? He didn't contest Missouri and that was as crooked a spectacle as anything.

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Everything that could go wrong.......
Will go wrong, Bush will be re-elected, the old people in FL will complain that the touch scrren voting is too confusing. There will be a massave power outage across the state minutes before the polls close causing all the machines to crash therefore loosing all the information. Some votes will be counted twice. The snow birds who live in states that have early voting will vote in thier home state, and vote again down here forgeting that they voted in the other state days before November 2nd.

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[Yerdaddy]

Why do you say that? He didn't contest Missouri and that was as crooked a spectacle as anything.

Because Florida was 29 electoral votes and winning or losing it would mean Missouri didn't mean shit.

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[HBox]

Why do you say that? He didn't contest Missouri and that was as crooked a spectacle as anything.

Why would Bush contest a state he won? I assume you are refering to Ashcroft. That would be up to Ashcroft, not Bush.

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[A.J.]

Because Florida was 29 electoral votes and winning or losing it would mean Missouri didn't mean shit.

Why would Bush contest a state he won? I assume you are refering to Ashcroft. That would be up to Ashcroft, not Bush.

I thought Yerdaddy's point was that Rove's strategy was simply to "contest, contest, contest" close races. If I misintepreted that I apologize.

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