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Yerdaddy
10-30-2004, 02:18 AM
<a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/30/international/middleeast/30equip.html?ei=5094&en=2407f11e11af0889&hp=&ex=1099195200&partner=homepage&pagewanted=print&position=" target="_blank">Along With Prayers, Families Send Armor</a>

hen the 1544th Transportation Company of the Illinois National Guard was preparing to leave for Iraq in February, relatives of the soldiers offered to pay to weld steel plates on the unit's trucks to protect against roadside bombs. The Army told them not to, because it would provide better protection in Iraq, relatives said.

Seven months later, many of the company's trucks still have no armor, soldiers and relatives said, despite running some of the most dangerous missions in Iraq and incurring the highest rate of injuries and deaths among the Illinois units deployed there.

Critics who say that disparities and shortages persist fault the Pentagon for incorrectly assuming that American troops would return home quickly after the war. As a result, they say, little was done to equip and train the thousands of National Guard and Reserve soldiers who were called to serve in Iraq and who now make up 40 percent of American troops there.

"I am really surprised that planners relied on the best-case military scenario," said Jonathon Turley, a military historian at George Washington University Law School who wrote last year about shortages of body armor. He was then deluged with e-mail messages from soldiers complaining of such shortages, 90 percent of them from the National Guard and Reserve.

[quote]"In addition to personnel shortfalls, most Army Guard units are not provided all the equipment they need for their wartime requirements," said Janet A. St. Laurent of the General Accounting Office in testimony before Congress in April. Ms. St. Laurent noted that many Guard units had radios so old that they could not communicate with newer ones, and trucks so old that the Army lacked spare parts for them.

Army officials concede that the old approach to training and equipping the Guard and Reserve did not prepare them for the new realities of Iraq. Progress appears to have been made in providing modern body armor and some other equipment, families and soldiers say.

The Army says it is on schedule to armor all its Humvees in Iraq by April 2005, despite the fact that only one factory in the United States puts armor on the vehicles. Moreover, the Guard is developing a plan to heighten the training and preparedness of its soldiers, under which a given unit could expect to be deployed every six years.

But the glaring problem for soldiers and families remains the vulnerability of trucks. In a conventional war there would be a fixed front line and no need for supply trucks to be armored. But in Iraq, there are no clear front lines, and slow-moving truck convoys are prime targets for roadside attacks.

Gen. James E. Chambers, the commander of the 13th Corps Support Command, to which the recalcitrant soldiers who refused the assignment are attached, told a news conference in Baghdad: "In Jim Chambers' s opinion, the most dangerous job in Iraq is driving a truck. It's not if, but when, they will be attacked."

Of the Illinois National Guard units now in Iraq, none of the 11 units has suffered as many casualties as the 1544th Transportation Company. Of the approximately 170 men and women in the unit, 5 have been killed and 32 wounded since the unit arrived in Iraq in March and began delivering supplies and mail and providing armed escort to civilian convoys.

Three of the soldiers died during mortar attacks on their base south of Baghdad. The other two were killed when roadside bombs exploded next to their unarmored trucks. Soldiers' relatives said that they expected the Army to outfit the trucks better than they themselves could have, after being told by the military that the steel plates proposed by the families would shatter if hit.

But in fact, most of the trucks in the unit have nothing more than the steel plates that the families offered to have ins

Mike Teacher
10-30-2004, 02:24 AM
I'll just say hi and wait for people to be called ignorant and stupid and then, let the locking begin!

Can anyone debate anymore? Lets see!



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GodsFavoriteMan
10-30-2004, 05:10 AM
this is all just so ignorant and stupid. anyway, I tried to start a nice thread, but, damn, that experiment failed hilariously.

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Doctor Manhattan
10-30-2004, 06:00 AM
Seriously, Why doesn't Bush support the troops?

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And why is he against cloning?

He's kinda like a clone of his dad, but more like that 3rd clone from the Michael Keaton movie, when his clones cloned the 1st clone and came up with the retarded clone who wore a boot as a hat
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He like to re-create things (the crowd pictured above, the fake turkey) that can be easily done in real life. Like the president can't actually draw a real crowd like that. he's got real supporters.

Why does he make these weird decisions?

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canofsoup15
10-30-2004, 06:34 AM
Can anyone debate anymore? Lets see!


No, because civility has flown out of the window like a bat out of hell (MEATLOAF!). Instead of "I diagree with Bush's views of which you support", it comes out as "You're a blithering idiot and your opinion is morally wrong because Bush is Da Stupid!".

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Tenbatsuzen
10-30-2004, 07:07 AM
and why is he against cloning?



If Bush is as evil as you claim, you better thank the Maker that he is against cloning. WE ALREADY KNOW HOW THIS MOVIE ENDS.

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silera
10-30-2004, 07:36 AM
He's kinda like a clone of his dad, but more like that 3rd clone from the Michael Keaton movie, when his clones cloned the 1st clone and came up with the retarded clone who wore a boot as a hat


Ironically, that was my favorite clone!


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10-30-2004, 07:41 AM
Im gonna eat a dolphin steve

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TheMojoPin
10-30-2004, 08:00 AM
Wearing a boot as a hat does NOT mean one is necessarily retarded.

I'm offended, and whoever suggested such a thing is an idiot and should kill themselves.

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HBox
10-30-2004, 08:04 AM
I know all you lib commies are gonna be all over me for saying this, but if the families are able to adequately armor our troops, I really don't see the government's place in the matter. I know how to spend my tax dollars better than the government! OFF MY BACK BIG GOVERNMENT!!!!!!!!!!!!

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TheMojoPin
10-30-2004, 08:08 AM
This has something to do with Kerry wearing sandals...I JUST KNOW IT!

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Doctor Manhattan
10-30-2004, 08:24 AM
Wearing a boot as a hat does NOT mean one is necessarily retarded.

The boot on the head didn't make him retarded. I wanted to clarify which Michael Keaton I was talking about since some find them all retarded.

He was a retarded clone who just happened to be wearing a boot as a hat. :)

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Doctor Manhattan
10-30-2004, 08:27 AM
If Bush is as evil as you claim, you better thank the Maker that he is against cloning. WE ALREADY KNOW HOW THIS MOVIE ENDS.

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It ends okay, Luke saves his dad from the dark side then a bunch of muppets sing and dance.

I don't think the clone army was the main problem, it was Darth Vader and The Emperor killing all those Jedi.

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Mike Teacher
10-30-2004, 08:28 AM
My clone sleeps alone.

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TheMojoPin
10-30-2004, 09:28 AM
Yub-yub!!!

...

Who got the love?

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A.J.
10-31-2004, 12:24 PM
Have Radar call Sparky and see if he can do some wheeling and dealing if I Corps can't come through.

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TheMojoPin
10-31-2004, 06:04 PM
PAINLESS HAS A GIANT PENIS!

Talk about "equipment!"

*ZING!*

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mikeyboy
10-31-2004, 06:36 PM
He's kinda like a clone of his dad, but more like that 3rd clone from the Michael Keaton movie, when his clones cloned the 1st clone and came up with the retarded clone who wore a boot as a hat


Ironically, that was my favorite clone!




Never has the Alkey thing made so much sense.

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reeshy
10-31-2004, 06:46 PM
If he had a giant penis.....why did they call him "Painless"???????????????????

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FMJeff
10-31-2004, 09:04 PM
well this topic turned out well...

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Yerdaddy
11-01-2004, 01:50 AM
<a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/31/politics/31gear.html?pagewanted=print&position=" target="_blank">WASHINGTON, Oct. 30 - Despite objections from the Pentagon, Congress approved a Defense appropriations bill this month that includes a measure to allow soldiers, their families and charities to be reimbursed for the cost of some combat equipment for use in Iraq and Afghanistan.</a>

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Mike Teacher
11-01-2004, 02:06 AM
If I were Prez, itd be simple: While you serve, you dont pay taxes. Any. You can rip up the 1040 and that house tax bill, soldier.

Its so simple I must be missing whatever makes it an utter impossibility, but I can dream...



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A.J.
11-01-2004, 02:57 AM
If I were Prez, itd be simple: While you serve, you dont pay taxes.

I like that idea Mike.

However, so many soldiers fall below the poverty line that a majority of them are probably exempt anyway.

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