Bush Administration Second Term Moves Thread

[Reephdweller]

So the speculation as it is now is that Colin Powell, John Ashcroft, Tom Ridge, and Tommy Thompson will be gone. I also heard rumors when the news about McGreevy in New Jersey broke that Christine Todd Whitman will not return to possible run for another term as the governor of New Jersey.

Who do you think will be gone, and who would you like to see put in. Some in the media say Rudy will replace Ashcroft, others says Condi Rice will replace Powell. What would you like to see?

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[TheMojoPin]

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[HBox]

Whitman left as EPA commissioner a long time ago.

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[Reephdweller]

shows you how up i am on this administration

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[Yerdaddy]

Great idea for a thread!

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[Yerdaddy]

Seriously, I would mainly like to see the neocons out of the Pentagon. Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Feith, Perle, some others I forget... They've proven that their theories don't work and that they've fired the people who knew better. If they go I'd be a lot easier on the administration.

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[monsterone]

repeal the patriot act, become more receptive to the country, maintain the world leadership role, but repair the diplomatic relations with other nations of the world.


and move on from iraq. they want us out, let's get out. the bitching and complaining they we left the country in ruins will go away eventually and hopefully the un will step up to a peace keeping role.

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[Yerdaddy]

and move on from iraq. they want us out, let's get out. the bitching and complaining they we left the country in ruins will go away eventually and hopefully the un will step up to a peace keeping role.

It's not the bitching that matters. It's the fact that from the 1980s until 2002 Afghanistan was the central training ground for terrorists to go to learn to fight wars and conduct terrorism. We took Afghanistan away from them. But in our failures we gave them Iraq - and all the weapons and hatred that comes with it - one of the most heavily armed countries in the world, and with the second largest oil reserves in the world. We "fought them over there instead of on our soil?" Bullshit. If we lose Iraq, which I think we have, we will see terrorism multiply like the world has never seen.

That's why I say the architects of this "war on terrorism" have to go. They have proved themselves to be dangerous failures. If Iraq is now a salvage operation the Americans need to recognize it and hold somebody accountable, or we will lose the war on terrorism.

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[SatCam]

I'm not saying repairing foreign relations is a bad thing, but I would like to take a step back 100 years and just stay out of foreign affairs that don't concern us. Making alliances with countries could screw us over when "they need us". I think we should just make good with the Frances and the Germanies and get on with it.

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[Tenbatsuzen]

I also heard rumors when the news about McGreevy in New Jersey broke that Christine Todd Whitman will not return to possible run for another term as the governor of New Jersey.

Wait, what?

Whitman never ever ever re-entered the GOP picture for Governor of NJ. Basically, the group of people who are possibilites on both sides are Brett Schundler, Doug Forrester, Corzine, and a few others. Whitman won't be back.



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[Reephdweller]

Wait, what?

Whitman never ever ever re-entered the GOP picture for Governor of NJ. Basically, the group of people who are possibilites on both sides are Brett Schundler, Doug Forrester, Corzine, and a few others. Whitman won't be back


Around the time of the McGreevy story I had heard on one of the programs that sources close to Whitman said she was considering running again. Then a few weeks ago I heard it on another program. I wish I'd remember which shows but unfortunately I don't.

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[shocked60]

and move on from iraq. they want us out, let's get out. the bitching and complaining they we left the country in ruins


Though I disagreed with the neocons invasion of Iraq, I think it would be a serious mistake to abandon the country. We could do the right thing in Iraq (which should've been done months ago) by seriously rebuilding (and not just the oil industry). I have friends over there who work on civil affairs teams, the guys who get down to the nitty gritty with the people of Iraq and help rebuild things like schools, water systems, utilities, etc, and they say that there are a great bunch of people over there who just want to get on with their lives, but the insurgents and the halliburtons are just getting in the way. I hate to say it, but we need more troops over there and (I don't hate to say this) we need to get the big corps out of there and let the little people make some ching. I think that would go a long way to rebuilding the country and our relationships around the world. Do you think the corporate cronies will let us do it though??? That's the question.

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[Yerdaddy]

<a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A37503-2004Nov9.html" target="_blank">Attorney General, Commerce Secretary Are First Cabinet Members to Leave After Election</a>

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Drop a big bomb and blow us all up?

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[A.J.]

<a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A37503-2004Nov9.html" target="_blank">Attorney General, Commerce Secretary Are First Cabinet Members to Leave After Election</a>

TV evangelist Robert Tilton will be sworn in as Attorney General tomorrow. http://faith.propadeutic.com/authors/TiltonRobert.jpg

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Second Term Moves


Condi to second base, she can convert the double plays, and I might even take Cheney out and just let him DH.

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[Yerdaddy]

<a href="http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/11/09/politics/main654651.shtml" target="_blanK">Nov. 10, 2004 (CBS/AP) President Bush has chosen White House counsel Alberto Gonzales, a Texas confidant and one of the most prominent Hispanics in the administration, to succeed Attorney General John Ashcroft, sources tell CBS News. </a>

Gonzales has been at the center of developing Bush's positions on balancing civil liberties with waging the war on terrorism - opening the White House counsel to the same line of criticism that has dogged Ashcroft.

For instance, Gonzales publicly defended the administration's policy - essentially repudiated by the Supreme Court and now being fought out in the lower courts - of detaining certain terrorism suspects for extended periods without access to lawyers or courts.

He also wrote a controversial February 2002 memo in which Bush claimed the right to waive anti-torture law and international treaties providing protections to prisoners of war. That position drew fire from human rights groups, which said it helped led to the type of abuses uncovered in the Abu Ghraib prison scandal.

Some conservatives also have quietly questioned Gonzales' credentials on core social issues. And he once was a partner in a Houston law firm which represented the scandal-ridden energy giant Enron.

So we can look forward to more of the same.

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[JerryTaker]

So Bush traded a 'Yes' man for a 'Si' man?

Well, I'll have none of Bush's 'Si' man, none I say!

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[TheMojoPin]

Man, you gotta give Bush one thing...he makes big time Democrats look like humps when it comes to "affirmative action"...

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[LiquidCourage]

What exactly is a "NEOCON"?!?!?

[Yerdaddy]

What exactly is a "NEOCON"?!?!?

<a href="http://www.csmonitor.com/specials/neocon/neocon101.html" target="_blank">Neocon 101</a>

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[curtoid]

<a href="http://www.csmonitor.com/specials/neocon/neocon101.html" target="_blank">Neocon 101</a>

This is perfect - it is so funny that they trace it back to the 1960s liberalism, because the one true Neo-con I know was a really liberal democrat all the way up through 1980 when he voted for Reagan ("And never looked back"). They are also the one branch of the GOP that looks to the government to tell them what to do on some cherry-picked issues, similar to their rhetoric about liberals coveting "big government."



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[JPMNICK]

Colin Powell handed in his resignation today.

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[curtoid]

Colin Powell handed in his resignation today.

Great - now his name can be added to the ever growing list of possible candidates for 2008 - by which time it will simply be white noise.

So to speak.

I would not be surprised if Cheney doesn't makes it to January 20th. I think with his weekend trip to the doctor, they are laying the ground work for him to step aside, and for Dubya to hand pick a nice VP - someone like Rudy - who will be in an excellent position for '08 (about the only way Rudy would be able to win the GOP primaries , in my opinion, is if he was already on the inside).

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From CNN.com:
Also announcing their resignations today: Education Secretary Rod Paige, Energy Secretary Spencer Abraham and Agriculture Secretary Ann Veneman

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[JPMNICK]

i doubt Rudy will ever be named VP by bush. he has to much of a checkered past

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[YoungJersey]

and bush doesn't?

[Yerdaddy]

Everyone except those douchebags in the Pentagon who forced this fucking war down our throats and then fucked it up. Swell.

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[JPMNICK]

gulliani's past is way more public (i.e his cheating and leaving his wife).

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[Doctor Manhattan]

So does this mean Bush is doing the right thing? That's what my GOP friends keep saying. That what the Red memebers of this board keep telling me.

I guess all these resignations have nothing to do with W's fucking up of the war on Terror.

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[42nd-delay]

I guess all these resignations have nothing to do with W's fucking up of the war on Terror.


I'm no Bush fan, but cabinet resignations going into a second term are quite common. Same thing happened with Clinton and Reagan.

I think the resignations of various CIA people last week is more indicative of the current climate in Washington, thanks to Bush and the Republicans.

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[A.J.]

I think the resignations of various CIA people last week is more indicative of the current climate in
Washington, thanks to Bush and the Republicans.


Well, if the 9/11 Commission, Congress and the American public thinks that the CIA is broken then drastic changes must be made.

After all, these were the people that were the ones who "failed" to prevent 9/11 and who "failed" to accurately determine the extent of Saddam's WMD capability. You think they should stay on?

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So does this mean Bush is doing the right thing? That's what my GOP friends keep saying. That what the Red memebers of this board keep telling me.


God damn Commie lovers!!! And I thought the Cold War was over.




I think Mrs. Bush would make a great Sec. of Education. After all she was a teacher.

[42nd-delay]

After all, these were the people that were the ones who "failed" to prevent 9/11 and who "failed" to accurately determine the extent of Saddam's WMD capability. You think they should stay on?


The people being pushed out are not the ones who were responsible for the bad intelligence, they're career officers who are being bullied, ignored or pushed out. It's non-constructive turmoil that follows the pattern of the administration - contempt of anyone who disagrees with you.

Goss Reportedly Rebuffed Senior Officials at CIA (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A48254-2004Nov13.html) (the people mentioned here as possibly resigning did in fact resign today)

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[mdr55]

Rice is taking Powell's place. Damn back stabber.

[Reephdweller]

Secretary of Health & Human Services, Tommy Thompson
Department of Homeland Security, Tom Ridge
Secretary of Transportation, Norman Mineta



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[Se7en]

I think the resignations of various CIA people last week is more indicative of the current climate in Washington, thanks to Bush and the Republicans.


You mean getting rid of politically biased CIA officials who have been deliberately leaking information to the press in an effort to harm the Bush Administration (and were doing it willy-nilly prior to the election to effect its outcome)?

It's the right move for the President to make. The CIA is a joke these days, and I'm NOT just speaking about the intelligence failures.

Clinton did much the same thing to the CIA in the 90s - any comment from you or the others about that? Was that a horrible course of action to make on HIS part?

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[Yerdaddy]

The CIA has just committed two of the most monstrous intelligence failures in US history. The first was failure to detect and break up the plot to conduct the 9-11 attacks. According to the 9-11 Commission report the main failures of the agencies were caused by bureaucratic territoriality and the perception of legal barriers that didn't actually exist, (necessary oversimplification). Watered-down versions of the Commission's reccommendations for reform are being enacted by the legislative and executive branches, but the problem with the reccommendations, (that they assume the agencies' role is merely to prevent another exact replay of 9-11 rather than take into consideration all the other functions of the intelligence community and to factor in the other major failure of the intelligence community - the false case for Iraqi WMD). The second colossal failure, Iraq WMD intel, was caused by subservience of the intel community, primarily the CIA and the DIA, to the White House. Whether it was caused by interference from the WH or simply a servile attitude within the agencies to deliver the intel "product" the WH wanted, I'll leave an open question. But either way the main problem with the CIA has to be seen as a lack of independence from the White House.

This is why republican and democratic leadership reccommended that the president choose as a replacement of Tenet a non-partisan, non-Congressional person. He chose to ignore that advice and Choose the partisan republican Senator Porter Goss. Goss has now brought in partisan republican congressional committee staffers with some low-level, (and apparently lackluster), experience with the CIA as the new top leadership at the agency.

So the question is not: changes needed to be made - changes are being made - why are people complaining? The question is: if the problem with the CIA is that they are only telling the president what he wants to hear, how the fuck does bringing in more people who will reinforce that tendency help make the CIA worth a shit again???

It looks to me like the focus on the CIA leaks of material unfavorable to the administration's war plans, but otherwise not proven to be untrue, only serves to further insulate the president from having any accountability at all - for anything at all - at the expense of the real reform that is needed for the CIA to serve the country as a whole. In other words, Goss and the administration seems to be making the CIA serve the administration EVEN MORE, and serve the American people EVEN LESS.

And based on that, I predict an "intelligence failure" even greater than 9-11 and Iraq WMD in the next four years. Enjoy.

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[HBox]

I just saw a breaking news thing on MSNBC.com that says Tom Ridge has resigned. MSNBC TV and CNN are saying the same thing. He'll announce it in a press conference later today.

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[Reephdweller]

Ridge resigns.. (http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=292137&page=1)

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But wait, what about "not changing horses in midstream"...or "mid-gallop" or whatever the hell Bush and his cohorts kept repeating and their apostles eagerly swallowed.
Is the war on terror over? Who won?

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But wait, what about "not changing horses in midstream
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"and move on from iraq. they want us out, let's get out. the bitching and complaining they we left the country in ruins will go away eventually and hopefully the un will step up to a peace keeping role."

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U.N. Peacekeeping? That worked out great in Rwanada.
And The Congo
And the Sudan
And Somalia,
And Haiti,
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[Reephdweller]

Bye bye Tommy!

Tommy Thompson Resigns... (http://story.news.yahoo.com/fc?cid=34&tmpl=fc&in=US&cat=Bush_Administration)

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[HBox]

Thompson did the opposite of Ashcroft. On the way out, instead of saying he did accomplished everything, Thompson mentions on the way out that our food supply is in danger.

"Hey everybody, you know the food you eat? Don't get attached!"

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[HBox]

Meanwhile, Rumsfeld will stay. (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6646697/)

So the one guy most responsible for most of the fuckups of this administration is staying? Who cares about Abu Ghraib, the bungled occupation, the low troops levels, the loss of bin Laden? Not President Bush.

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[HBox]

Kerik withdraws name from consideration. (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6696551/)

Whew. That was a close one.

[Legolas]

I think the admin is currently at 8 and the highest was Reagan with 9.

Hopefully BUsh can beat his record.


Still can't believe that Condi is going to be Sec of state.

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[furie]

i wasn't thrilled with him anyway.
didn't this happen once before? the secretary of labor about 10 years ago?

I just loved though how everyone here in NY was saying how Kerik was going to get morte DHS money for NY, it's really going to help us. good move for NY.
Bullshit. if ridge couldn't get more money for PA why would kerik be able to get money for NY?



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Personally, I believe Bush should nominate Wes Clark to be Homeland Security Secretary. The guy is certainly smart. But what gives him the edge is his military background -- specifically his Joint Staff/Command experience. He was Director of the Joint staff, Commander of SOUTHCOM, then Commander of EUCOM/SACEUR. He has the experience of dealing with and managing different services and making them co-exist peacefully. That is what is needed to shape-up DHS.

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i think it should be asa hutchinson


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Personally, I believe Bush should nominate Wes Clark to be Homeland Security Secretary. The guy is certainly smart. But what gives him the edge is his military background -- specifically his Joint Staff/Command experience. He was Director of the Joint staff, Commander of SOUTHCOM, then Commander of EUCOM/SACEUR. He has the experience of dealing with and managing different services and making them co-exist peacefully. That is what is needed to shape-up DHS.


That and his experience with almost starting WWIII might help as well.

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That and his experience with almost starting WWIII might help as well.

I believe you have Clark confused with THIS General:

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The most controversial part of Clark's command in Kosovo came after the end of the military campaign and involved the use of a Kosovo airfield by the Russian military. After a small Russian force left their peacekeeping station in Bosnia unannounced and took control of the Slatina airfield, near Pristina, on June 10, 1999, there was (according to a BBC report) a "battle of wills" between Clark and the British NATO commander, Lt. Gen. Michael Jackson. Clark ordered British forces to block the runways to the airfield, to prevent the Russian troops from being resupplied from their homeland. This maneuver would have been one step short of hostile, and Jackson did not comply, reportedly later saying: "I'm not going to start the Third World War for you."


Clark is a madman and his own people won't even follow him. Thank goodness him and the rest of the left wing loonies were shut down this past November.

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The most controversial part of Clark's command in Kosovo came after the end of the military campaign and involved the use of a Kosovo airfield by the Russian military. After a small Russian force left their peacekeeping station in Bosnia unannounced and took control of the Slatina airfield, near Pristina, on June 10, 1999, there was (according to a BBC report) a "battle of wills" between Clark and the British NATO commander, Lt. Gen. Michael Jackson. Clark ordered British forces to block the runways to the airfield, to prevent the Russian troops from being resupplied from their homeland. This maneuver would have been one step short of hostile, and Jackson did not comply, reportedly later saying: "I'm not going to start the Third World War for you."


Clark is a madman and his own people won't even follow him. Thank goodness him and the rest of the left wing loonies were shut down this past November.


Yup, when you don't cite your sources and take something way the hell out of context, it can seem pretty crazy. But, I'll tell you what, it's pretty fucking hard to get those four shiney stars if your a goddamn looney.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wesley_Clark

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[GodsFavoriteMan]

Here's the funny thing. You missed all this.

Clark, in an NPR interview, said that the incident was a surprising moment for him. Clark stated that his order to block the runways was refused by an emotional Jackson and that he took the matter up the British chain of command. In his book Waging Modern War, Clark says Jackson protested, "Sir, I'm a three-star general; you can't give me orders like this," and that he responded, "Mike, I'm a four-star general, and I can tell you these things."

Clark stated that General Sir Charles Guthrie, British Chief of the Defence Staff, agreed with Jackson. Guthrie, according to Clark, also told him that Hugh Shelton, the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, also agreed with him. Clark said he found this very surprising, contending that the original suggestion to block the Russians came from Washington. Clark stated that he called the Pentagon, looking for support, and was told by Shelton: "We don't want a confrontation, but I do support you." Clark said that he told Shelton: "Then you've got a policy problem". Clark maintained in the NPR interview that the matter was a difference in the perception of the policy between the US administration and the British government. Clark said he believed he was carrying out the suggestions of the administration in Washington.

The Clinton administration later persuaded Hungary and Romania to deny Russia flight over their airspace, preventing the Russians from landing transport planes carrying reinforcements to their troops at Pristina. In July 1999, the Russians agreed to integrate their forces into NATO's operations


Sure sounds like the ravings of a mad man to me.


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There's some speculation now that the whole Kewrik nanny thing was made up as a cover, since no one can track down the nanny, or any evidence that she was employed by Kerik. Josh Marshall elaborates (http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/week_2004_12_12.php#004241).

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no one can track down the nanny

Try Brooklyn.

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DoD Announces Departure of Undersecretary Douglas Feith (http://www.defenselink.mil/releases/2005/nr20050126-2013.html)

This position is more influential at shaping foreign policy than the Secretary of State is.

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DoD Announces Departure of Undersecretary Douglas Feith


This may be one of the best examples ever of addition by subtraction. Too bad he didn't take Wolfowitz and Rumsfeld with him.

I wonder if he'll add this quote from Gen. Tommy Franks to his resume:

(Douglas Feith is) the fucking stupidest guy on the face of the earth ... (http://slate.msn.com/id/2099277/)

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Jesus Horatio Christ.

This "National Intelligence Director" position to be filled by Negroponte pisses me off. We already HAVE a National Intelligence Director -- it's called the Director of Central Intelligence.

Just check the National Security Act of 1947 (http://www.intelligence.gov/s102)

Look -- a law already on the books with descriptions and everything!:

SEC. 102. [50 U.S.C. 403] (a) DIRECTOR of CENTRAL INTELLIGENCE. - There is a Director of Central Intelligence who shall be appointed by the President, by and with the advice and consent of the Senate. The Director shall -

(1) serve as head of the United States intelligence community;

(2) act as the principal adviser to the President for intelligence matters related to the national security; and

(3) serve as head of the Central Intelligence Agency.

(c) HEAD OF THE INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY. - In the Director's capacity as head of the intelligence community, the Director shall -

(1) facilitate the development of an annual budget for intelligence and intelligence-related activities of the United States by

(A) developing and presenting to the President an annual budget for the National Foreign Intelligence Program; and

(B) participating in the development by the Secretary of Defense of the annual budgets for the Joint Military Intelligence Program and the Tactical Intelligence and Related Activities Program;

(2) establish the requirements and priorities to govern the collection of national intelligence by elements of the intelligence community;

(3) approve collection requirements, determine collection priorities, and resolve conflicts in collection priorities levied on national collection assets, except as otherwise agreed with the Secretary of Defense pursuant to the direction of the President;

(4) promote and evaluate the utility of national intelligence to consumers within the Government;

(5) eliminate waste and unnecessary duplication within the intelligence community;

(6) establish requirements and priorities for foreign intelligence information to be collected under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978 (50 U.S.C.. 1801 et seq.), and provide assistance to the Attorney General to ensure that information derived from electronic surveillance or physical searches under that Act is disseminated so it may be used efficiently and effectively for foreign intelligence purposes, except that the Director shall have no authority to direct, manage, or undertake electronic surveillance or physical search operations pursuant to that Act unless otherwise authorized by statute or Executive Order;

(7) protect intelligence sources and methods from unauthorized disclosure; and

(8) perform such other functions as the President or the National Security Council may direct.

The DCI has never had the budgetary authority. Simply amend this law to (re)clarify this authority and you have what the 9/11 Commission wanted.

There is no need for knee-jerk, feel-good legislation to create what already exists. This is just creating another level of unnecessary bureaucracy.

Typical Federal government solutions....

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Oh, it's the same kind of "thinking" that created the Homeland Security office...

"The agencies we have already aren't working well enough together...let's make ANOTHER one and toss it in the mix! BIGGER GOVERNMENT FOR EVERYONE!!!"

And these guys are supposed to be CONSERVATIVE?

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[A.J.]

Yeah, but in the case of DHS those various orgs would be regrouped under one parent organization -- one that never before existed. I mean there WAS an Intelligence community. All the components of DHS were spread through various departments.

It's creating a bureaucracy but not really creating a bureaucracy...

Do you know what I mean?

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Yeah, but I don't really agree.

The charters of the NSA, FBI and CIA all cover what the DOHS is supposed to do. The effort should have been to combine and streamline what already existed WITHOUT adding a new agency to the mix.

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Under FBI? That I will grant you. Domestic law enforcement/intelligence gathering is their domain.

That works for me.



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