even in 2004 schools continue to dismiss evolution [Archive]

GodsFavoriteMan

11-09-2004, 09:11 AM

Oh man, as a Tennessean that shit's just an everday thing. In high school my biology teacher totally skipped biology for fear of parental retaliation. In college, damn, you should've seen the students just being absolutely floored that they were being taught evolution. It was as if he'd brought some porn to class and started jacking off to it. They were shocked, I tell you, SHOCKED!

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angrymissy

11-09-2004, 09:19 AM

man I'm glad I live here

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LordJezo

11-09-2004, 09:35 AM

Fine by me.

Evolution is just a theory anyway. Need to have as much faith in that as you do creation.

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GodsFavoriteMan

11-09-2004, 09:37 AM

Fine by me.

Evolution is just a theory anyway. Need to have as much faith in that as you do creation.

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Reephdweller

11-09-2004, 09:41 AM

The only thing I wonder about in this regard however is this. If the school text book says that evolution occurred as we know it, and then a child then asks the question of how his religion says otherwise, won't it open the discussion in the classroom to the various theories on creationism that different religions have?

What I mean is, religion isn't supposed to be discussed in the classroom and I'm fine with that, however if a child is inquisitive to the facts in the textbook and it contradicts his or her religion then how does the child learn if it can't be discussed?

I'm not at all defending these schools, however I'm only asking what's the best way for the schools to be able to talk about evolution without stepping on the toes of people with religious viewpoints that differ from the what we know? I just think it has to be hard for any school or community to approach the subject without that getting interjected.

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TheMojoPin

11-09-2004, 09:45 AM

Man, I'm glad I spent most of my school years overseas.

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Mike Teacher

11-09-2004, 09:48 AM

I've been at, and even participated in a couple of debates on this. It's brought up at, well, shit how many school boards are there in one state alone?

I helped critique science textbooks, and you would not believe how PC they make these things. They have to, if they want anyone in some states to even consider buying them. History books, I can understand the difficulties in what to include and what not; theres some very controversial, even disturbing parts of history, and well, you never see some of it.

All I asked of those who would wish to have other alternatives brought to the table other then what would incorrectly be called Darwinian Evolutionary Theory

-To study even the basics of what Evolution really means, what Natural and Artifical Selection are, and to study to exant evidence for evolution.

-Sometimes I bring up; which Creation would you have me teach. My students range from Christian, Jew, Muslim, Hindu, and quite a few others. There are thousands of Creation tales throughout the world and history. Which? All?

-Intelligent Design? It's the God of the Gaps. Is Evolutionary Theory good? The evidence fills the libraries and museums and science classrooms of the planet. A look around outside shows evidence of Selection for anyone who wishes to see.

Is Evolutionary Theory complete? Not even close; just like many theories: Flight, atoms, disease... all real as real can be, all supported by theories that are incomplete at best. Something can be both a fact and a theory.

Science isnt helping; boatloads of crappy science teachers arent helping. For me its a simple matter of science literacy; and we are one science illiterate nation. Sound elitist? I say it coz it scares the fuck out of me

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silera

11-09-2004, 09:50 AM

I teach my kids that God even made the queers.

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A.J.

11-09-2004, 10:01 AM

I teach my kids that God even made the queers.

"And He looked at what He had done and saw that it was FABULOUS."

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angrymissy

11-09-2004, 10:12 AM

In my school, we dicussed evolution and several different religion's theories on creationism. I thought it was awesome and interesting.

Some people, however did not, and said that the school was teaching us about Paganism and Devilworshipping.

It ended up that there was a School Board meeting on it, and some nutty religious group bussed over 400 people in from out of state to protest it.

Same situation with MAGIC:The Gathering cards in school as well.

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IrishAlkey

11-09-2004, 10:20 AM

silera

11-09-2004, 10:24 AM

Religion and Science do not need to co exist.

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Reephdweller

11-09-2004, 10:33 AM

Religion and Science do not need to co exist.

No they don't, however people still find ways of interjecting it into everything. I don't agree with it, but people do it. Which is why we have these kinds of problems.

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wilee

11-09-2004, 10:33 AM

Furtherman

11-09-2004, 10:35 AM

The bible is literary crack. Look what it causes people to do.

Evolution is just a theory anyway. Need to have as much faith in that as you do creation.

Creation needs a leap of faith.

Evolution just needs a good pair of eyes.

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IrishAlkey

11-09-2004, 10:36 AM

THE MOON IS MADE OF CHEESE, FUCKO!

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Reephdweller

11-09-2004, 10:37 AM

Now I'm starvin'!

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IrishAlkey

11-09-2004, 10:37 AM

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badorties

11-09-2004, 10:38 AM

it wasn't zaphod, silly ...

Although the primitive ape-descended denizens of this planet did not realize it, the Earth was designed by a supercomputer called Deep Thought, and was built by the Magratheans. Slartibartfast won an award for his fjords on the coast of Norway.

fuckin' volgon's ruin everything ...

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angrymissy

11-09-2004, 10:39 AM

silera

11-09-2004, 10:41 AM

If your faith is so weak that you cannot digest anything that contradicts it, then you are not truly faithful.

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Recyclerz

11-09-2004, 10:42 AM

Evolution and Creationism are both bull. Everyone knows that the Earth is actually a giant computer designed to come up with the question about the meaning of life!

That's old people thinking! New school thought has proved that the Earth is a reality TV show that the rest of the galaxy watches to feel better about themselves.

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wilee

11-09-2004, 10:43 AM

Evolution and Creationism are both bull. Everyone knows that the Earth is actually a giant computer designed to come up with the question about the meaning of life!

Thank you Zaphod...

42

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silera

11-09-2004, 10:46 AM

Does knowing where babies come from make childbirth any less miraculous?

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badorties

11-09-2004, 10:49 AM

yes

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Yerdaddy

11-09-2004, 10:49 AM

I don't know where babies come from.

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silera

11-09-2004, 10:50 AM

I'll show you next time we play poker.

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Freakshow

11-09-2004, 10:53 AM

It was the mice. The mice created earth.

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Reephdweller

11-09-2004, 10:56 AM

I'll show you next time we play poker.

I wanna see!!!!!!!

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Recyclerz

11-09-2004, 10:56 AM

I don't know where babies come from.

Current political theory says they come from too liberal welfare policies. :(

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Dudeman

11-09-2004, 10:57 AM

those denying evolution are going to be viewed by history the same way we view those who believed the earth was flat and the center of the universe.

what's worse is as the current republican whackos push for their school vouchers (which are terrible mainly for sucking the public education system dry, creating a greater education gap between the haves and have-nots, and not dealing with the poor education system directly) they will be able to put more kids in chruch schools and warp their precious little minds without having to bring up science and evolution altogether.

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torker

11-09-2004, 10:59 AM

are we not men?
we are devo!

devolution, baby

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silera

11-09-2004, 11:01 AM

This textbook contains material on evolution. Evolution is a theory, not a fact, regarding the origin of living things. This material should be approached with an open mind, studied carefully and critically considered.

The bible should come with that sticker.

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wilee

11-09-2004, 11:01 AM

Does knowing where babies come from make childbirth any less miraculous?
It's miraculous how those storks can carry them so far.

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Freakshow

11-09-2004, 11:04 AM

I'll show you next time we play poker.

I wanna see!!!!!!!

for some reason that reminds me of a Simpsons quote:

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Homer: Special present? I don't want to wait! I want it now. I want the children to see. Ooh -- oh, right. Later. Heh heh heh --

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silera

11-09-2004, 11:09 AM

It's miraculous how those storks can carry them so far.

I resent the implication...

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keithy_19

11-09-2004, 11:11 AM

Does knowing where babies come from make childbirth any less miraculous?

It becomes disgusting when you see the placenta shoot out!

And on the subject, I don't care what they teach. I'm going to do the work to get a grade. Just because they teach it doesn't mean you have to believe it.

I believe in evolution by the way, i don't think you cannot. I don't believe we came from a blob of goo though.

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Reephdweller

11-09-2004, 11:14 AM

I don't believe we came from a blob of goo though.

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silera

11-09-2004, 11:17 AM

I don't believe we came from a blob of goo though.

Pro-lifers consider a blob of goo life.

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keithy_19

11-09-2004, 11:23 AM

I just think that all of this happened for a bigger reason. Not just because some molecules reacted and 'sploded. I don't see how every detail could be so precise and work so well.

Pro-lifers consider a blob of goo life.

I don't like the fact that you have the choice to end life. It's a blob of goo' that you know will turn into life. It's something that you and another created. I don't feel you should have the right to kill it because you don't want it.

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silera

11-09-2004, 11:28 AM

That's why I call childbirth miraculous.

We can be taught how things happen and still be awestruck by them.

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IrishAlkey

11-09-2004, 11:33 AM

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keithy_19

11-09-2004, 11:35 AM

I'm a firm believer that it's not too late to abort Keithy.

HAHAHAHAHAHA! YOU'RE FUNNY! YOU'RE A FUNNY PERSON!

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IrishAlkey

11-09-2004, 11:36 AM

Talk to the Make A Wish foundation.

They might be able to set you up with a live performance from me.

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11-09-2004, 11:42 AM

The red states are your daddies.

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DarkHippie

11-09-2004, 11:50 AM

42 is the answer. The Earth was designed to determine the question.
No, the mice miscalculated.

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furie

11-09-2004, 12:08 PM

School officials: Stickers encourage students to have open mind

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badorties

11-09-2004, 12:15 PM

No, the mice miscalculated.

benjy and frankie are never wrong ...

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LiquidCourage

11-09-2004, 12:16 PM

When you live in the NYC area you think that this is just some sort of fringe group or something. However, after venturing around the country a little bit here, you come to realize that probably the majority of this country sees evolution as this sort of wild, crackpot hypothesis. It makes me sick.

Yerdaddy

11-09-2004, 12:18 PM

I'll show you next time we play poker.

Good. Because last time you showed me where they eat. But I still don't understand how Patron turns into milk inbetween the mouth and the boobies.

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East Side Dave

11-09-2004, 12:31 PM

It'd be awesome if we evolved into four-armed humans! Then spanking it to these "would you hit it" threads would be so much easier! Hell, you'd probably have one arm left over to hold a sandwich while spankin'!!

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FMJeff

11-09-2004, 12:59 PM

I teach my kids that God even made the queers.

"And He looked at what He had done and saw that it was FABULOUS."

Nothing you ever say will ever be funnier than this.

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