The greatest pound for pound boxer of all time

[pitbull#1]

I was just wondering what you guys opinoin was on who is the greates boxer of all time. My pick is Sugar Ray Robinson just simply because of his record 175-19-6 w/ 109 KO. This guy has twice as many KO as boxers have fights these days.

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Cassius Clay and Muhammed Ali. Those two were great. . .

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Rocky, but in Rocky 3, post Thunderlips: The Ultimate Male, pre-Clubber Lange fight.

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[BoondockSaint]

A lot of people say Sugar Ray Robinson but all I've seen of him is a few fights. s far as boxers I've seen during my lifetime it may be Roy Jones, jr. But with all the God given talents Jones has, he has 1/10th of the heart of Arturo Gatti or Mickey Ward.

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[Mike Teacher]

Was it the new maxim, or somewhere, they talk about the abuse the body, head especially takes from those puches. I cant fucking imagine what Ali must have felt like when Foreman landed one. They say puches like that have about the energy equivalent of a high caliber bullet; sounds not too far off, now that we get to see so much video of people dropping from bullets and boxing both, sounds about right. They both certainly seem to disrupt the nervous syetm as quickly.

I forget who, but it was a weird, if apt, description: the goal in boxing is to Disrupt the other person's Nervous System, either to total collapse and litarlly knocked Out, to fucking up the guy just long enough, for just as many times for the fight to be stopped.

Weird.

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my list goes something like this in no particular order, Ali, Robinson and Frasier

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[MHasegawa]

Rocky Marciano was good...but compared to Joe Louis, Rocky Marciano aint shit!!!


He beat Joe Louis' ass...

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[FUNKMAN]

Rocky Marciano was good...but compared to Joe Louis, Rocky Marciano aint shit!!!


you can never win this argument... when someone never loses in 49 Proffessional Heavyweight fights you can say he wasn't the best but you can never prove it unless someone goes 49-0 or 50-0

the best is not having the most talent, hand speed, size of muscles, etc... it's having the 'will' to win and not lose. There were many fights where Rocky was losing and could have gave up but he 'never' did...


Rocky defended his title six times, winning five by knockouts. As a professional, he won an unprecedented 49 straight fights of which 43 - almost 90 % - were by knockouts.




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[pitbull#1]

how about the guy who won 175 fights with 109 kos? (Sugar Ray Robinson)

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This message was edited by pitbull#1 on 11-27-04 @ 8:50 PM

[MHasegawa]

Rocky Marciano was good...but compared to Joe Louis, Rocky Marciano aint shit!!!


you can never win this argument... when someone never loses in 49 Proffessional Heavyweight fights you can say he wasn't the best but you can never prove it unless someone goes 49-0 or 50-0

the best is not having the most talent, hand speed, size of muscles, etc... it's having the 'will' to win and not lose. There were many fights where Rocky was losing and could have gave up but he 'never' did...
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Nah, Funk...I was making a callback to Coming to America.

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[BoondockSaint]

How about John L. Sullivan?

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better not tell ray "boom boom" mancini that.

i've never seen sugar ray robinson so...
Pound for Pound - Marvin Hagler. The guy was a freak & is still up there as one of my all time sporting heroes. He came through a division with Hearns, Leonard & Duran. He lost once in a professional career of 30 bouts. Leonard was too scared to fight him again after he 'beat' Hagler & won the world title off him in a controversial Don King promoted decision.
His career boxing record is 67 bouts 62-2-3 (52KO's) that's including amateurs.

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[pitbull#1]

in response to the 50 wins in a row comment:

IN A career that spanned three decades, Sugar Ray Robinson embodied the essence of the sweet science. He was a world welterweight champion and held the middleweight title five times. Robinson combined an athlete's grace and excellent power and was nearly unbeatable in his prime. He is considered by many to be the best fighter in history, pound-for-pound. He earned the nickname Sugar Ray when a newspaper reporter described him as "sweet as sugar."
Among the fellow Hall-of-Famers Robinson beat are Henry Armstrong, Kid Gavilan, Carmen Basilio, Jake LaMotta, Rocky Graziano, Gene Fullmer and Fritzie Zivic. Robinson was so efficient for so long that he won his first Fighter of the Year award in 1942 and his second in 1951.

Robinson, whose real name was Walker Smith, turned pro in 1940 and won his first 40 fights before losing to LaMotta. After that defeat, Robinson wouldn't lose for another eight years. In 1942, he decisioned former champion Zivic and future champion Marty Servo. Then in 1946, in his 76th fight, he decisioned Tommy Bell for the vacant welterweight.

During his reign as a welterweight, Robinson defended his crown with wins over Jimmy Doyle, Chuck Taylor, Bernard Docusen, Gavilan, and Charlie Fusari. In 1951, he challenged LaMotta for the middleweight title in a fight that is remebered as the St. Valentine Day Massacre. Robinson overwhelmed LaMotta with a speed and power and finally stopped him in the 13th round. It was the sixth and final time the Hall of Famers met. Robinson won five of those contests.

In 1951, he was upset by British champion Randy Turpin. In the rematch two months later, Robinson knocked Turpin out in the 10th round. He followed with successful defenses against Graziano and Carl "Bobo" Olson before challenging light heavyweight king Joey Maxim.

Robinson and Maxim met at Yankee Stadium in the summer of 1952. The temperature in the ring that night was estimated at 100 degrees. It was the heat, and not Maxim, that overcame Sugar Ray. After the 13th round, he led on all three scorecards but remained on his stool when the bell sounded to begin the 14th.

Robinson retired after the Maxim fight only to return in 1955. He would win and lose the middleweight title three more times in a series of bouts with Olson, Fullmer and Basillio. He finally retired for good in 1965 at the age of 44. Of Robinson's 19 career defeats, 16 occurred after 1955. Five of them came in his final 15 fights. He fought 18 world champions during his career


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[torker]

but remained on his stool

I think that's a typo

stool remained on his but

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[BoondockSaint]

On John L. Sullivan:

He fought in a day when a man received credit for a knockout only if he scored a knockout. There were no technical knockouts. If a fight was stopped by a referee because of an injury such as a broken arm or by the police to prevent a brutal beating - there was no knockout. If an opponent quit fighting or ran from the ring - there was no knockout. The verdict was a "win".

There are many such bouts on Sullivan's record which would be called knockouts by today's rules but were simply recorded as wins in his day - Joe Goss, Johnny "Cocky" Woods, Dan Dwyer, Steve Taylor, John Flood, Tug Collins, Charlie Mitchell, John Laflin, Alf Greenfield, Paddy Ryan (1885), and Frank Herald.

There were many "No Decision" bouts on his record and, doubtless, if the details of these matches were known, he would have many more knockouts. Durant (1976 p 24) writes that Sullivan is estimated to have knocked out some 200 men during his career while fighting all types of men - lumberjacks, blacksmiths, local strong boys, and professional fighters.


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[The Blowhard]

Robinson is known as the great "pound for pound" fighter by most experts who actually saw him fight.
The best I've seen was Ray Leonard. Fastest hands and great technique.
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[pitbull#1]

[quote]Cassius Clay and Muhammed Ali. Those two were great. . .

who do you think Ali was influenced by, none other then Sugrar Ray Robinson

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The best fighter I ever saw was Roberto Duran, AS A LIGHTWEIGHT. In the early 70's he was amazing to watch. His defense set up his offense. He was practically unhittable, and he could knock you out with either hand. He was a brilliant fighter.

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