Meanwhile, in Reddest Red America......

[HBox]

Alabama voters, given the chance to erase from their state constitution a law requiring seperate schools for "white and colored children," said HELL NO! (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6596687/)

On that long-ago day of Alabama's great shame, Gov. George C. Wallace (D) stood in a schoolhouse door and declared that his state's constitution forbade black students to enroll at the University of Alabama.

He was correct.

If Wallace could be brought back to life today to reprise his 1963 moment of infamy outside Foster Auditorium, he would still be correct. Alabama voters made sure of that Nov. 2, refusing to approve a constitutional amendment to erase segregation-era wording requiring separate schools for "white and colored children" and to eliminate references to the poll taxes once imposed to disenfranchise blacks.

Republicans can have em.

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[furie]

Republicans can have em.


remember that when next election comes down to one or two states.


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[El Mudo]

It's their state...they can do what they want...

And besides, I doubt its even enforced anyway...They would get zippy funds from the Feds...

Its like a couple years ago Mississippi finally passed the 13th amendment...its not like slavery was still going on...

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Enforced or not, it speaks of a mentality that doesn't belong in the 21st century.

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every state has some kind of weird laws like that. none of em are enforced though

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no, i wouldnt say every state has some "weird" law equivalent to segregating kids in schools

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Segregation is just plain wrong unless of course it involves Mexicans.

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look, i think we're OK, Mexicans dont watch the news....now if this was telemundo HAHAHA

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If this was telemundo an over-sized banana would have dropped out of the ceiling on our heads by now...

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[Tenbatsuzen]

I said it before, and I'll say it again, DO NOT LUMP THESE INBRED RACIST HICKS WITH ALL REPUBLICANS.

Otherwise, I'll make sure that all extreme left-wing yahoos are lumped in with you. Kthnxbye



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[HBox]

I said it before, and I'll say it again, DO NOT LUMP THESE INBRED RACIST HICKS WITH ALL REPUBLICANS.

Otherwise, I'll make sure that all extreme left-wing yahoos are lumped in with you. Kthnxbye.

I'm not talking about racist inbred extremists. I'm talking about the state of Alabama.(No jokes. It's a whole, rather large state.) Besides, plenty of people already lump left wing extremists with "us."

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[curtoid]

I said it before, and I'll say it again, DO NOT LUMP THESE INBRED RACIST HICKS WITH ALL REPUBLICANS.

I thought the GOP had a big tent

Otherwise, I'll make sure that all extreme left-wing yahoos are lumped in with you.

Knock yourself out.

It's their state...they can do what they want....

That statement reminds me of the people who want Row v. Wade overturned because they say they want states to have a say in the legality of abortion, but they are the same folks who don't want to trust the states with gay marriage and want to monkey around with the constitution.

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[Ndugu]

curtoid, feeding the flames of hatred, its over, you lost




"What are you liberals, on dope?"

[HBox]

curtoid, feeding the flames of hatred

In a thread about Alabama voters refusing to remove a racist law from its constitution, you post and feel the need to note that Curtoid is feeding the flames of hatred?

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[FUNKMAN]

Alabama voters made sure of that Nov. 2, refusing to approve a constitutional amendment to erase segregation-era wording requiring separate schools for "white and colored children" and to eliminate references to the poll taxes once imposed to disenfranchise blacks.


how can they change it if they don't know how to read?

the only word they know is

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[Doomstone]

Apparently, Curtoid hates racists. That's hatred...right?

Ndugu is just defending the racists.

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[HBox]

The funniest part of the whole thing is the excuse they use to try and make it seem as if it wasn't racist. They say that they object to another part of the amendment that would guarantee children a public education, because we all know how awful that would be!

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[Ndugu]

Ndugu is just defending the racists


are you fucking kidding me, i am referring to curtoid and his remarks about the gop and and his generalization that they are all THESE INBRED RACIST HICKS, think before type




"What are you liberals, on dope?"

[Doomstone]

So do you support a racist law? Or don't you?

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[Ndugu]

of course i dont, godamn it :mad:




"What are you liberals, on dope?"

[Doomstone]

Good....but the majority in Alabama does. That's pretty bad I think...

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[wilee]

It's unfortunate that in this day and age, that laws like this still exist.

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[curtoid]

curtoid, feeding the flames of hatred, its over, you lost

Damn...that's funny.

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What exactly did I lose?

What part is feeding "flames of hatred"?

By pointing out that the GOP is big enough to include their inbred racists, or to encourage another poster to lump whoever he wants to with whatever label makes him happy, or was it pointing out that I find amusement in the hypocracy of those who want state rights for some things, but not others?!I thought the GOP had a big tent?

are you fucking kidding me, i am referring to curtoid and his remarks about the gop and and his generalization that they are all THESE INBRED RACIST HICKS, think before type

Reading between the lines - fine.

As a card carrying member of the Republican party, who has voted for more Republicans than Democrats, I feel more than entitled to comment on how I feel - and even if I wasn't, it shouldn't fucking matter, since I prefer to think of people here as "Americans" and not an "Us" and "Them."

Anyone that is offended by that kind of criticism need to do more to distance themselves from it to begin with. It sure doesn't help the image, however, when the President (a Republican) is so tight with the likes of Bob Jones.

Bottom line: those that aren't racist shouldn't turn their heads to see when someone yells out, "Hey! Racist!" to see if they are talking to them.



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[Se7en]

I said it before, and I'll say it again, DO NOT LUMP THESE INBRED RACIST HICKS WITH ALL REPUBLICANS.

Otherwise, I'll make sure that all extreme left-wing yahoos are lumped in with you. Kthnxbye.

I'm not talking about racist inbred extremists. I'm talking about the state of Alabama.(No jokes. It's a whole, rather large state.)

And yet you are the one directly making the implication between the extremists and Republicans.

Besides, plenty of people already lump left wing extremists with "us."

When the DNC chairman himself made a point to praise the likes of Michael Moore during the campaign and guys like Howard Dean nearly win the party's nomination, it's a little hard not to.

As a card carrying member of the Republican party, who has voted for more Republicans than Democrats, I feel more than entitled to comment on how I feel - and even if I wasn't, it shouldn't fucking matter, since I prefer to think of people here as "Americans" and not an "Us" and "Them."

Man, how much longer are you going to keep playing THIS card?

You've played it so many times now I've lost count, and I've yet to see you espouse a single belief on this board in the entire time you've been here that could be considered conservative - in the current politica climate's meaning of the word or way back when during Reagan's time when you supposedly joined our unholy ranks.

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[HBox]

When the DNC chairman himself made a point to praise the likes of Michael Moore during the campaign and guys like Howard Dean nearly win the party's nomination, it's a little hard not to.

Boy, you accuse me of implying something, and then in your next sentence blatantly do the same thing. Guess what?!

Se7en wins this month's [size=4][color=red]BLATANT [color=orange]HYPOCRITICAL [color=green]FLAME-BAITING [color=brown]AWARD!!!!!!

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[Tenbatsuzen]

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[Tenbatsuzen]

Hbox, you have to admit, you were implicating republicans with this. From thread title to everything else in your initial post.

It wasn't "Hey, look how ass-backwards they are in the south", or "Man, is Alambama stuck in the civil war, or what?"

The "reddest red America" implicates that hardcore republicans are racist and "they can keep them" indicates all republicans are condoning this behavior.

You were baiting. Knock it off.



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[Tenbatsuzen]

BTW, was anybody else amused that this was an Anti-Republican troll, but the lead of the story is George Wallace <b>(D)</b>?



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refusing to approve a constitutional amendment to erase segregation-era wording requiring separate schools for "white and colored children"

So I guess this is GOOD news for historically-black schools and colleges in Alabama, no?

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[curtoid]

Man, how much longer are you going to keep playing THIS card?

As long as knuckleheads continue to dismiss whatever I say as being motivated by a Democrat or Liberal agenda.

You've played it so many times now I've lost count, and I've yet to see you espouse a single belief on this board in the entire time you've been here that could be considered conservative

Don't play the wounded, indignant, young conservative card. I've posted plenty of times opinions from both sides of the political fence.

Sometime in the last year I even challenged you that I could come up with more Republicans I respected than you could come up with Demorats you respected - and even recently (October, I think), while others were being cute with their answers in the "Say Something Nice" thread, I believe Mojo and I were among the very few who took it seriously actually gave honest answers.

I've already wasted too much time and space on cretins who believe party is more important than country and who never contriute anything more than pablum.

in the current politica climate's meaning of the word or way back when during Reagan's time when you supposedly joined our unholy ranks.

Sorry I don't pass your GOP taste test- not here to impress reactionary ass holes one way or the other.

I actually empathize with the poor, I don't hate gays or blacks, I feel women should be in charge of their own bodies, and while it was the right thing to go into Afghanitan, I always felt we were being lied to in regards to the reasons for the Iraqi war. Surprise - surprise - there are actually plenty of people still under the GOP banner who feel the same way; brave folk who feel the only hope of saving the party from the religious right is from the inside. Right now, I am not one of them, even though I am trying to keep the faith.

Hell - if Jerry Fallwell and Zel Miller can still be registered Democrats, then I can be a registered Republican.

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[HBox]

Hbox, you have to admit, you were implicating republicans with this. From thread title to everything else in your initial post.

I'm not calling all Republicans racists. But the fact is that have based their current dominance on a strong base in these states. It was not my intention to have this thread go this way. It was just a off-hand, semi-serious comment. I really just wanted to talk about the racism still present in Alabama. What I would like to ask is why are so many people trying to avoid talking about that?

The "reddest red America" implicates that hardcore republicans are racist and "they can keep them" indicates all republicans are condoning this behavior.

If you showed more outrage in this thread over the actual vote than whether or not I mention that this is Red America and that these people mostly vote Republican than you could show how wrong that alleged implication is.

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[JuvyJuice]

That statement reminds me of the people who want Row v. Wade overturned because they say they want states to have a say in the legality of abortion, but they are the same folks who don't want to trust the states with gay marriage and want to monkey around with the constitution.


Curtoid, who doesn't trust the states on gay marriage?

Gay marriage lost every state where it was voted on. Why can't states vote on abortion too?

[HBox]

I was thinking about it, and I'm going to back off. I apologize for the Republican comment and withdraw it. I didn't mean to indict all Republicans, but I guess it did. So, I'm sorry.

Now can we discuss these damn fucking racists in Alabama please?

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[silera]

Curtoid, who doesn't trust the states on gay marriage?

Gay marriage lost every state where it was voted on. Why can't states vote on abortion too?


If civil liberties were up to the states, blacks would still be slaves in the south.

Not every issue should be up to individual states to decide. Why be the United States if you can lose your rights traveling 20 miles north or sout?




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[Bama]

Dear HBOX,


Nobody gives a damn about what you want to discuss.



Sincerely, Alabama




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[Iamnotatool]

I thought this thread was about communists. DAMN!



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I hate me some communists

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[HBox]

Dear Alabama,

You suck. Don't make us slap you down again like we did in the civil war. Does Sherman's March, Part 2 sound appealing?

Oh yeah, I went there. Winners are allowed to do that. Suck it Alabama.

Sincerely,

HBox

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[DJEvelEd]

I'm FOR segregation being a Whigger* and all. I dont want you white devil o'fake cracker-asses livin anywheres near me and my ghetto. I WANT ALL THE CRACK & HOOKAS FOR MYSELF SO KEEP OUT WHITEY!!!




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[Bama]

Dear HBOX,

Congratulations on your win 150 years ago.

I guess we'll just have to console ourselves by owning American government today and for the foreseeable future.

Sincerely, Alabama

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[HBox]

Dear Alabama,

Hope you enjoy the win while it lasts. Because after all the old racists die and whites become a minority, you're fucked.

And please tell Arkansas to stop using Eric Estrada to hawk their cheap real estate. It's really pathetic. Nobody ever says, "Hey, I want to live in Arkansas!"

Sincerely,

HBox

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[Bama]

1) I voted for amendment 2

2) You are cracking on Alabama so blow me.


Here's a thread that's going on at an Alabama message board about this.

Check it out (http://www.tidefans.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21505)

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[Tenbatsuzen]

If civil liberties were up to the states, blacks would still be slaves in the south.

Not every issue should be up to individual states to decide. Why be the United States if you can lose your rights traveling 20 miles north or sout?

Major difference between slavery and choice rights, Silera. Major.



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[furie]

Major difference between slavery and choice rights, Silera. Major.


no. it's the same thing. why can you see that you evil bastard?


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[HBox]

What I learned from that Alabama message board: If there's one thing Alabama hates more than blacks, its taxes. So much so that guaranteeing a public education to children is something to be scorned.

You are cracking on Alabama so blow me.

Boo hoo. I live in New Jersey. Deal with it. I do.

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[Tenbatsuzen]

Boo hoo. I live in New Jersey. Deal with it. I do.




HAHAHAHAHAH!!!!! YOU HAVE A FAG GOVERNOR!!! HAHAHAHAHAHA

oh wait I live here too

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[GodsFavoriteMan]

I think Silera was pointing out that the Civil War was fought partially over the state's right to choose whether or not to abolish slavery rather than the federal government. As such, it was right that the Federal government should decide because had the states voted, slavery would have remained legal within the south for as long as it was profitable. It's not always the right thing to do to have states choose what civil liberties they do and do not want to have. But that all depends on whether or not you believe gay marriage is right or wrong. Kind of like in the past, when people were deciding whether or not slavery was right or wrong.

And at least Jersey's fag governor is stepping down. In TN our fag governor is being considered as a potential Democratic candidate and he completely sucks.

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In TN our fag governor is being considered as a potential Democratic candidate and he completely sucks.

hee hee

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[DJEvelEd]

HAHAHAHAHAH!!!!! YOU HAVE A FAG GOVERNOR!!! HAHAHAHAHAHA


Yeah but Governor Codey is a nice guy. He helps all the retards!!!










That he may enjoy retard dick is inconsequential.




CODEY MAY EVEN ENDORSE A MEDICAL MARIJUANA BILL IN NJ!!!! LETS GET RETARDED IN HERE!!! LETS GET RETARDED IN HERE!!!!












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[silera]

I don't see a difference.

What if individual states decided to enact laws limiting the amount of children people could have?

American Episcopalians allow gay marriage. Any state law that does not recognize that marriage is in effect, not recognizing that religious doctrine as legitimate.

There were laws in place that would have kept me from voting, divorcing my husband, or managing my own money. How many at the time couldn't imagine equating those basic rights as worthy of defending?

There are nuances between civil liberties, but that does not make some civil liberties more worth defending than others.



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And Stars Fell on Alabama, last night
I cant forget the glamour, your eyes held a tender light,
while Stars Fell on Alabama, last night"
"I never planned in my imagination, a situation, so heavenly.
A fairyland that no one else could enter,
and in the center, just you and me"
"My heart beat like a hammer, your arms wrapped around me tight,
While Stars Fell on Alabama last night"

An old Sinatra song

[El Mudo]

I think Silera was pointing out that the Civil War was fought partially over the state's right to choose whether or not to abolish slavery rather than the federal government. As such, it was right that the Federal government should decide because had the states voted, slavery would have remained legal within the south for as long as it was profitable.


They tried to have the States vote on it in the Kansas/Nebraska Act....didn't work out so hot...Jayhawkers flooded into Kansas to vote against slavery, and Border Ruffians came in there to vote for it...and John Brown and a couple of his sons went around hacking proslavery people to deatt with broadswords it turned out to be a huge nightmare.

The thing about slavery proper is that nobody ever talks about how much the North profited over slavery and how divided the North itself was over slavery. The first slave ships were built in Massachusetts, and the Yankees there made so much money off the Rum/Slave trade that they almost began the first American Revolution when the British threatened to tax it.

The North was pretty divided over slavery, mostly because of the poorer workers like the Irish, who would lose their jobs in a hot second once the slaves were freed and started coming North(see the New York Draft Riots). Its pretty easy to see that Northern Businessmen would love to have the slaves freed simply because it would mean cheaper labour...not out of any humanitarian purpose...And the South was too...two of the more volatile regions in the South that were anti slavery were the 48 Western counties of Virigina that became West Virginia, East Tennessee, and of all places, Northern Alabama...all were huge hotbeds of Unionist sentiment

I've always been of the opinion that State's Rights must rule supreme in everything, because that's what the Constitution says



The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.


That means States should be able to do whatever they want to, even secede. I believe, as Shelby Foote does, that no state would have joined the Union if they hadn't felt at some point they could get out of it, and that was the South's position. Just eliminating slavery straight off the top with no compensation would have killed their economy and left them even more subservient as an agriculutral nation to an industrial one. The right choice thing to do IMO would have been a gradual emancipation, just to allow the economy to adjust

But all this talk about States rights is a pipe dream anyway...they don't exist anymore...pretty soon the Feds will be regulating marriages, and everything else...

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[Tenbatsuzen]

Only in New Jersey can you have a homosexual governor step down, only to be replaced with a man who has a gay porn star's name.

Dick Codey? Come on.



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[Tenbatsuzen]

I don't see a difference.

What if individual states decided to enact laws limiting the amount of children people could have?

American Episcopalians allow gay marriage. Any state law that does not recognize that marriage is in effect, not recognizing that religious doctrine as legitimate.

There were laws in place that would have kept me from voting, divorcing my husband, or managing my own money. How many at the time couldn't imagine equating those basic rights as worthy of defending?

There are nuances between civil liberties, but that does not make some civil liberties more worth defending than others.



Therein lies the crux of abortion laws. What about the "civil liberties" of the unborn fetus? People could argue that that organism has a right to live.

I'm not trying to play devil's advocate here, but the argument you're using can also be turned around here. You can't draw comparisons between slavery and racism laws with Roe v. Wade.

Please don't take this post as me being anti-choice. I'm not, as I've said time and time again. I just like exploring other sides of the argument.



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[HBox]

The right choice thing to do IMO would have been a gradual emancipation, just to allow the economy to adjust

I just wanted to draw some attention to this.

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[curtoid]

Racism is not just a southern or hillbilly issue - I've actually seen more blatant hate on the west coast, in places like Sacramento, than I did when I lived in North Carolina. Charlotte NC had a black mayor for years in the 1980s, and of course VA had a black gov. It's alive and well in Boston, Los Angeles, Chicago, New York and Washington. In Arlington VA it's more than just black & white - we have large Salvadorian Vietnamese, and Ethiopian Communities. Hell, my building is like the UN, and I love it. Maybe that's one reason Northern Virginia swung the rest of the state during the last election.

In fact, as far as "Blue State" vs. "Red State," when you look at the actual counties and how they voted, for the most part it shows that it really is a "Rural" vs. "Urban" split. Big cities in "Red States," even in some of the reddest ones, went "Blue," while some rural counties away from the cities in "Blue" states swung "Red."

And no...just as the South doesn't have a monopoly on racist, neither do Democrats. I'm sure there are some old school, Southern Democrats who mutter utter under the breaths about "the blacks" or "the Mexicans" - in fact, I'm sure of it.

It shouldn't come as a newsflash that we are a racist country.


The right choice thing to do IMO would have been a gradual emancipation, just to allow the economy to adjust

I just wanted to draw some attention to this.

Ugh...thanks for ruining my morning.



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This message was edited by curtoid on 11-30-04 @ 8:48 AM

[Doomstone]

The right choice thing to do IMO would have been a gradual emancipation, just to allow the economy to adjust

I just wanted to draw some attention to this.


Racism...it's the shit I tell ya!

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[El Mudo]

Its not racist at all...

Its looking at the consequences of what would have happened if you had suddenly released an entire highly skilled low wage workforce into an economy that already didn't have enough jobs for them...People do crazy shit when they can't feed their families....


And the more I think about it, the more gradual emancipation wouldn't have worked either....thats just asking for servile insurrection...

I guess there was really no easy solution to it..

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This message was edited by El Mudo on 11-30-04 @ 3:42 PM

[Doomstone]

MONTGOMERY - An Alabama lawmaker who sought to ban gay marriages now wants to ban novels with gay characters from public libraries, including university libraries.

A bill by Rep. Gerald Allen, R-Cottondale, would prohibit the use of public funds for "the purchase of textbooks or library materials that recognize or promote homosexuality as an acceptable lifestyle." Allen said he filed the bill to protect children from the "homosexual agenda."

"Our culture, how we know it today, is under attack from every angle," Allen said in a press conference Tuesday.

Allen said that if his bill passes, novels with gay protagonists and college textbooks that suggest homosexuality is natural would have to be removed from library shelves and destroyed.

"I guess we dig a big hole and dump them in and bury them," he said.

(http://www.al.com/news/birminghamnews/index.ssf?/base/news/1101896768316400.xml)

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[furie]

This seemed to fit here (http://www.acsblog.org/equal-protection-and-due-process-513-after-punishing-student-for-explaining-lesbianism-terry-bethea-sues-for-defamation.html)

After Punishing Student for Explaining Lesbianism, Terry Bethea Sues for Defamation
Last year, Terry L. Bethea, a teacher at Ernest Gallet Elementary School in Louisiana, sent a 7 year old student to the principal's office for explaining to another student that his mom was a lesbian. According to his mother "the incident began when her son, Marcus McLaurin, was waiting in line to go to recess when a classmate asked him about his mother and father. He responded that he didn't have a mother and father; instead he has two mothers. When the other child asked why, Marcus told him that it was because his mother is gay. The other child then asked what that meant, and Marcus explained, 'Gay is when a girl likes another girl.'"



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What the hell are "riyses"?! Is this kid trying to fuck with me?!

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This message was edited by East Side Dave on 12-6-04 @ 5:03 PM

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What the hell are "riyses"?! Is this kid trying to fuck with me?!


"Riyses" is the red-state spelling for recess.

And yes, East Side, he is trying to fuck with you.



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[HBox]

As bad as the whole controversy is, I'm more outraged by the kid's horrible grammar. I'm not surprised though, [blue state arrogance]it is the red states! Huddla Huddla![/blue state arrogance]

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[JuvyJuice]

If civil liberties were up to the states, blacks would still be slaves in the south.

Not every issue should be up to individual states to decide. Why be the United States if you can lose your rights traveling 20 miles north or sout?


democracy!! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!! THE HORROR!! slavery will be back INSTANTLY!!

a few old guys and gals in robes ruling our lives? yea! thats the ticket!

This message was edited by JuvyJuice on 12-7-04 @ 3:59 PM

[furie]

What was that bit done by eddie murphy on SNL, about lincoln not signing the emancipation proclomation, and blacks still being slaves. any one have a copy of that?


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This message was edited by furie on 12-7-04 @ 5:30 PM

[HBox]

Southern School Whitewashes Slavery. (http://www.newsobserver.com/news/story/1913619p-8258411c.html)

Here are some choice gems:

To say the least, it is strange that the thing the Bible condemns (slave-trading) brings very little opprobrium upon the North, yet that which the Bible allows (slave-ownership) has brought down all manner of condemnation upon the South.

As we have already mentioned, the 'peculiar institution' of slavery was not perfect or sinless, but the reality was a far cry from the horrific descriptions given to us in modern histories.

Slavery as it existed in the South was not an adversarial relationship with pervasive racial animosity. Because of its dominantly patriarchal character, it was a relationship based upon mutual affection and confidence.

There has never been a multi-racial society which has existed with such mutual intimacy and harmony in the history of the world.

Slave life was to them a life of plenty, of simple pleasures, of food, clothes, and good medical care.

But many Southern blacks supported the South because of long established bonds of affection and trust that had been forged over generations with their white masters and friends.

Nearly every slave in the South enjoyed a higher standard of living than the poor whites of the South -- and had a much easier existence

Wonderful.