Abstinence-only Insanity

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Your tax dollars at work:


Many American youngsters participating in federally funded abstinence-only programs have been taught over the past three years that abortion can lead to sterility and suicide, that half the gay male teenagers in the United States have tested positive for the AIDS virus, and that touching a person's genitals "can result in pregnancy," a congressional staff analysis has found.

Those and other assertions are examples of the "false, misleading, or distorted information" in the programs' teaching materials, said the analysis, released yesterday, which reviewed the curricula of more than a dozen projects aimed at preventing teenage pregnancy and sexually transmitted disease.

I have no problem with teaching that says abstinence is the best way to prevent STDs and pregnancy, but the idea of abstinence-only teaching is ridiculous. Having a bunch of almost comically false "facts" used by those teaching it, presumably to place unwarranted fears in students, just makes it worse.

Kids are going to have sex. Telling them to use a condom to protect themselves isn't going to suddenly induce them into trying it. Not teaching safe sex means trouble for those who end up having sex and haven't been taught how to protect themselves.

The full article (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A26623-2004Dec1.html)

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[A.J.]

touching a person's genitals "can result in pregnancy,"

Well, foreplay CAN lead to intercourse (if I remember correctly).

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This message was edited by AJinDC on 12-2-04 @ 11:09 AM

[silera]

The report is even better (http://www.democrats.reform.house.gov/Documents/20041201102153-50247.pdf)



One book in the "Choosing the Best" series presents a story about a knight saves a princess from a dragon. The next time the dragon arrives, the princess advises the knight to kill the dragon with a noose, and the following time with poison, both of which work but leave the knight feeling "ashamed." The knight eventually decides to marry a village maiden, but did so "only after making she knew nothing about nooses or poison." The curriculum concludes: Moral of the story: Occasiona l suggestions and assistance may be alright, but too much of it will lessen a man's confidence or even turn him away from his princess.


I went to the actual site of Choosing the Best (http://www.choosingthebest.org/why_abstinence/index.html) and the most gloriously retarded part was
"Does abstinence-until-marriage education address homosexuality?"
Abstinence-until-marriage education is about encouraging teens to eliminate the risks of sexual behavior. All teens need this message, regardless of their sexual orientation.


BUT THEY CAN'T GET FUCKING MARRIED!

Abstinence can't be taught. It's just a choice that people make when they're responsible or mature enough to control themselves. Teen sex is a problem when it's irresponsibly, promiscuous and associated with other self destructive behaviors like drugs or alcohol. The whole premise of no sex outside marriage is LAUGHABLE because at some point we all become adults that do have sex outside of marriage and the one thing that Teenagers universally believe is that they are ready to be adults.

Creating a generation of misinformed and sexually repressed children does NOTHING to hinder the spread of STD's, increase in teenage pregnancies, or abortions.

I'm going to explode.




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[FMJeff]

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[whiteboy1457]

thank god i didnt have to go through this shit.... im glad fairfax county PS made me go through regular sex ed

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[CaptClown]

touching a person's genitals "can result in pregnancy,"

Well, foreplay CAN lead to intercourse (if I remember correctly).



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[GodsFavoriteMan]

thank god i didnt have to go through this shit.... im glad fairfax county PS made me go through regular sex ed

Back in the late 80s, when I took Farifax's Sex Ed, I was disappointed. They didn't teach me how to do shit. They just showed us cross sections of the uterus and vagina. I think they were trying to make it as unappealing as possible. Regardless, I think the point of Sex Ed should be how to do it right.

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[Recyclerz]

Regardless, I think the point of Sex Ed should be how to do it right.


That would be a lab class that was well attended!
But only in the blue states; In the red states, doing it right means doing it after you're married.

Overall point: You liberals are going to learn how to pace yourselves! If you're going to get this worked up over the first projects out of W2, you'll never have the strength to last the four years.

I'm doing my stretching exercises now and will pace my umbrage, outrage and chagrin until 2008.



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[whiteboy1457]

Back in the late 80s, when I took Farifax's Sex Ed, I was disappointed. They didn't teach me how to do shit. They just showed us cross sections of the uterus and vagina. I think they were trying to make it as unappealing as possible. Regardless, I think the point of Sex Ed should be how to do it right.

they still do that... and say like 5 times per class "The safest sex is no sex at all"

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[wilee]

Teen sex is a problem when it's irresponsibly, promiscuous
Yes, and we all know how responsible all teenagers are (about anything), even when they know the possible consequences.

No matter what you teach kids in sex ed, most of them have already made up their minds about whether or not they're going to have sex in the (near) future. While some of these curricula that promote abstinence over contraceptives are using scare tactics, it remains true that abstinence is the most effective form of protection against STDs and pregnancy.

Some guys think that "as long as she's on the pill", there's no problem (some girls think this too), so why use a condom, and some people think that condoms are 100% effective, even after taking courses that state otherwise (and I'm not talking about the abstinence courses). Most kids are more likely to believe a friend, who's just as ignorant in the facts, than any course or teacher s/he talks to.

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[silera]

No matter what you teach kids in sex ed, most of them have already made up their minds about whether or not they're going to have sex in the (near) future. While some of these curricula that promote abstinence over contraceptives are using scare tactics, it remains true that abstinence is the most effective form of protection against STDs and pregnancy.

So the solution would be to not teach them about condoms, or stds, or birth control and hope that the abstinence thing works out?

I don't get your point.

You seem to agree with me that teenagers will have sex regardless of what is taught to them. To negate the existence or value of protected sex is to completely disregard the majority of teenagers that will have sex. Abstinence is the safest way, however if you're going to have sex, then doing so with the protection of a condom and the pill will be the safest thing to do.

The best way to avoid a car accident is not to drive a car. However, if I'm going to do it anyway, isn't it a good idea to encourage me to use a seatbelt, obey traffic laws, not drink and drive?



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[wilee]

So the solution would be to not teach them about condoms, or stds, or birth control and hope that the abstinence thing works out?
Where did I say that?

You talked about teen sex being a problem when it's handled irresponsibly. I agreed.

I also pointed out that abstinence is the most effective control against STDs and pregnancy, which it is.

Regarding the use of other forms of contraception, there is never going to be one definitive study on this. This seems to be a party-line issue more than true concern for the children of our country. I'd rather see these kids come to the realization that the guy might get the girl pregnant, or pass/receive an STD, than just say "fuck it" (no pun intended).

This country has taken a much more casual view of sex in the last couple of decades, and personal responsibility has pretty much been put on the back burner. This needs to be reinforced.

To futher your car analogy, when you drive a car, you run the risk of killing someone if you have an accident. This encourages you to be more careful when driving. But there are still those idiots out there that will drive drunk/sleepy/without seatbelts and sue somebody else when they cause an accident. They won't accept responsibility for their actions which contributed to the accident.

While the statistics about contraceptives in the curriculum are incorrect/misleading according the report, they are still there (in the curriculum).

Nowhere in my previous message did I suggest an "Abstinence Only" curriculum is the way to go.

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[silera]

The curriculum only focuses on the fallability of safe sex. It doesn't focus on the options available and address the very real possibility that teenagers will have sex. The only information provided is that abstinence is the best way to avoid pregnancy and stds.

I think you're absolutely right about the bullshit concern on this subject. Parents need to be involved in sex education. People have to start teaching about responsible sex as opposed to "safe" sex. Past the teenage years, people in their 20's are just as reckless and irresponsible but we get nowhere by sticking our heads in the sands and creating an alternate reality.




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[Furtherman]

Past the teenage years, people in their 20's are just as reckless and irresponsible but we get nowhere by sticking our heads in the sands


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ummm... I mean... Well said!

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[keithy_19]

Ideal-I would like to wait till I'm married before I have sex.

Truth-I think that under the circumstances, I would have sex. I have a lot of stength in me, but not enough to fight that "temptation".

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[Aggie]

Truth-I think that under the circumstances, I would have sex. I have a lot of stength in me, but not enough to fight that "temptation".


I'm not talking about you Keith, but I HATE when guys say that shit when it comes to cheating.

Everyone has a choice. You can say no and walk away. It IS possible. Grrrrr. Sorry this has nothing to do with the topic, I think I just got some flashbacks.

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[GodsFavoriteMan]

Up until I was 19 I was going to practice absitinance. I even expected that from the girls I was interested in. Then while I was in the Army, I met this rediculously hot Indian chick and gave up my virginity to her. On top of that, she was married. Of all the ways to go from preaching abstinance to securing my place in hell, I think that way was probably the most drastic.

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and some people think that condoms are 100% effective, even after taking courses that state otherwise

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They are 100% effective. In making sure you cant feel shit.

[HBox]

Truth-I think that under the circumstances, I would have sex. I have a lot of stength in me, but not enough to fight that "temptation".

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[Bulldogcakes]

Any class involving a physical activity ought to involve practice. You can read all you want on a subject, but nothing beats doing it. So for the first half of the class let everyone practice abstinance, and see how they like it, then for the second half practice having sex. There are quite a few ladies who need to work on their blowjobs, especially at that age. And lets face it guys. Most of us are lousy humps until we reach our mid 20's. Have these teachers teach the kids something they'll NEED (unlike Algebra) If the kid cant figure it out, the teacher could jump in and show them what they're doing wrong. Bet the divorce rate would plummet if kids got some instruction on how to suck and fuck properly.

[whiteboy1457]

shit... if it was like that i wouldnt have skipped so many of the sessions

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[DJEvelEd]

Isn't pornography/masturbation considered abstinence? Sex involves TWO people right? So masturbation and porn is a BIG part of abstinence.

Jerk away safe sexists!!!!

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[DarkHippie]

Ideal-I would like to wait till I'm married before I have sex.
Right, but you're also smart enough to know that a lot of what this program is teaching is false.

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[MrPink]

Isn't pornography/masturbation considered abstinence?

if yer a catholic then it isnt abstinence. i remember bein told that jerkin off was like raping yerself. you guys are lucky that u had sex-ed. i went to a baptist school that only taught abstinence. i never even got to a naked girl in my health textbook.

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jerkin off was like raping yerself


I'm never able to get the whole "rape" feeling down. My hand slaps me, gives me bruised thighs, and even plugs my ass with strange things and I still can't get arrested.

If at first I say NO, and then I start enjoying it, Is it still self-rape? Is the rape charge then pro-rated?

What if I agree to sex and enjoy it at first, and THEN I decide my hand has gone too far, Is THAT rape?



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[Bulldogcakes]

Ideal-I would like to wait till I'm married before I have sex.




Why is that the ideal? What if you and your husband aren't sexually compatible? That would be a hell of a time to find out you want different things in bed. Plus, if you've never done it, you (and he) will probably not be very good at it. And just showing up lasts about a month or two.


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[Bulldogcakes]

jerkin off was like raping yerself



One time I was walking home down a deserted street, and suddenly I saw my hand staring at me. So I tried to run away, but my hand grabbed me, and dragged me by the hair into a dark alley. I was screaming NO! NO! HELP! SOMEBODY PLEASE! but my hand wouldn't stop! It ripped my pants off a started having its way with me! I was kicking and screaming, but my hand wouldn't stop! Finally, my hand was done with me and I ran home and immediately took a shower, crying "Why? Why?"

[DJEvelEd]

Bulldogcakes: "Why??? Ohhh WHYYY"

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Bulldogcakes: "Why? Why me?

Mr. Hand: "You were asking for it. You kept sending me down to look for change and keys and your penis kept rubbing against my thumb. WHO CAN STAND SUCH PRESSURE??? Butt don't worry. I put this on before I thumbed your ass:

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Bulldogcakes: "I hope so. I've seen what's under those fingernails. Yeech!"

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[Bulldogcakes]

Secretly, I've fantasized about my hand having it's way with me. But when it actually happened, I felt so violated. So. . . . . dirty. I didn't even report it to the police. I was too ashamed. Maybe I did something to deserve it.

[torker]

I think that under the circumstances, I would have sex. I have a lot of stength in me, but not enough to fight that "temptation".


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