Christmas. Why is it offensive?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

More and more you have groups like the ACLU protesting Christmas time. Its not "PC" to say Christmas anymore.

Groups like the ACLU are sueing people because they have nativity sets on their front lawn. Their arguements is that there needs to be a seperation of Church and State. Christmas, with all its hoopla is a religious holiday and Why should Christians be forbidden to celebrate or even say Christmas?

I am no way a bible thumping fanatic, and If Atheists don't want to celebrate thats fine with me. No one is forcing the ACLU to celebrate Christmas or any religious holiday.

If the ACLU and organizations are for civil liberties, then what about my liberty to decorate my house with lights and a manger? No one is forcing someone at gunpoint to look at my house.

If someone doesnt want to celebrate holidays, its their opinion but why should they delegate what holidays are "offensive"?

[HBox]

Examples please.

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Where did this happen?

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[furie]

Where did this happen?

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Australia (http://www.cnsnews.com//ViewForeignBureaus.asp?Page=ForeignBureausarchive2 00412FOR20041203b.html)


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[GodsFavoriteMan]

Since when does the ACLU give a shit about Australia?


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[furie]

it's a global consipracy


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[WRESTLINGFAN]

ACLU Hates Christmas (http://www.elon.edu/e-web/pendulum/Issues/2004/12_2/opinions/republicans.xhtml)

[BoondockSaint]

They have been waging their campaign in the courtroom, forcing cities to remove Christian symbols, as well as forcing them to take down nativity scenes and so on.


They are talking about government property not your lawn.

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[furie]

that's an editorial full of vague references nothing specific or concrete.
i'm disagreeing with you, i'm aware of the issue, but don't hinge your argument on that.

where's Elon U anyway?



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Groups like the ACLU are sueing people because they have nativity sets on their front lawn. Their arguements is that there needs to be a seperation of Church and State. Christmas, with all its hoopla is a religious holiday and Why should Christians be forbidden to celebrate or even say Christmas?

Dude, that article doesn't mention anything about people's lawns, only cities that demonstrate nativity scenes (not Christmas trees, mind you, those are okay) on public property.


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[badorties]

there's a right-wing nut who's starting a protest against my parent comany for their decision to replace 'merry christmas' with 'happy holidays' ...

it's a typical -one-guy-with-letterhead making some noise ...

just as silly as the twits who vow to 'keep christ in christmas' ...



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[furie]

your parents own macy's?!?!


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[ag]

The whitehouse is like that, they are no longer calling it a "Christmas tree" it is now a <i>Holiday</i> tree.Bunch of PC shit, fuck them, tell Bush to bend over so I can show that tree up his dumb Texas ass

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[keithy_19]

I agree with you that the ACLU is a liberal orginization that is pretty stupid. I'm not quite sure what you mean though. I haven't heard anything of them trying to take things off of your lawn.

I do know that in my town, we now have snow flakes instead of the christmas tree's we used to have on the telephone poles. I liked the tree's better.

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[HBox]

WRESTLINGFAN, did you start this because this thread didn't start the shitstorm you thought it would? (http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/viewmessages.cfm/Forum/52/Topic/42707/page/Merry_Chanukah.htm)

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[badorties]

your parents own macy's?!?!



i don't like to brag, but yeah ...



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[Bulldogcakes]

If Atheists don't want to celebrate thats fine with me. No one is forcing the ACLU to celebrate Christmas or any religious holiday.

What do Athiests celebrate? Nothing day?

No one says you cant put lights on your house. You have every right to do that. It's just Government that doesn't want to look like it favors one religion over another. They want to pretend they represent ALL the people. One answer is to give ALL religious groups equal opportunity to display their symbols on Gov't property. But that would make sense, and politicians running for office wouldn't be able to blame the ACLU for everything they screw up.

[badorties]

Groups like the ACLU are sueing people because they have nativity sets on their front lawn. Their arguements is that there needs to be a seperation of Church and State. Christmas, with all its hoopla is a religious holiday and Why should Christians be forbidden to celebrate or even say Christmas?



no one can prevent you from putting a nativity scene on your own lawn ... the issue over the last few years is nativity scenes on public property -- govt./civic buildings ...

and i'm sure this has been discussed before, but jesus has as much to do with as santa claus does ... they are both archetypes that illustrate all that is wonderful about life ...

x-mas is not a reilgious holiday, and any real significance has been coopted and disregarded years ago ...

the real offense seems to be fervent, simple-minded loudmoths consumed with preserving an outdated, passe notions of their childhood ...

if you honestly believe in the wonders of jesus and the virginal birth, matters of 'happy holidays' vs. 'merry christmas' or getting pissy over 'x-mas' seem unimportant ...



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Thankfully, giving and receiving gifts doesn't reflect the birth of our Lord, Jesus H. Christ. Therefore, I happily and selfishly celebrate Christmas every year.

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[mikeyboy]

This is a pretty pointless thread. If you're going to cry wolf, at least have something to back it up with.

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[Snoogans]

If Atheists don't want to celebrate thats fine with me. No one is forcing the ACLU to celebrate Christmas or any religious holiday.

ahh, the dumbest statement in this thread

we are all forced by the government to celebrate religious holidays. see, no companies close for yom kippur, sure you can stay home if you are jewish, but its not officially celebrated like christmas is

i mean shit, some places have parades for easter, and its a religious holiday

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[furie]

and what about sunday? that's a relgious holiday that the government endorces every week. if these guys were consistant, someone would challenge this.


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[TheMojoPin]

Is it REALLY "PC" that people started using the term "happy holidays?"

Of course not.

It actually began NOT because of Hannukah...but because of New Years. It comes less than a week after Christmas, two holidays that the majority of people in the country celebrate right on tops of each other...and "happy holidays" stems from that. You'll find celebratory materals and advertisements using the term in this country alone dating back to the 1800's. It originated out of convenience, not out of "PC." Put the pithcforks away and take a deep breath.

Same thing with "Xmas." It's been around for most of the 20th century. It's an abbreviation. Deal with it.

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[Bulldogcakes]

[quote] two holidays that the majority of people in the country celebrate right on tops of each other...and "happy holidays" stems from that. . . . . . . . It originated out of convenience, not out of "PC."



Actually it originated out of cheapness. Only have to buy one card instead of two.





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[furie]

will a mod please teach bulldog how to quote?


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[mikeyboy]

I already mentioned it. It didn't seem to help.

If you haven't figured it out, Bulldog, your response goes outside the quote tags.

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[JerryTaker]

This Neo-McCarthyism against perceived 'liberals' is really scaring me...

A few observations:

1) The austrailia article cites a decision from their government to cut spending, it had nothing to do with the ACLU, or any Civil Liberties Organization.

2) The Op-ed piece that Wrestlingfan linked is an example of media trying to stir up said neo-McCarthyism, filled with baseless arguments, huge leaps in logic, and rediculous generalities, plus it includes the phrase "activist judges," which should disqualify it immediately.

3) as for "why can't public buildings put out decorations celebrating all holidiays?" maybe that makes the most sense, but the public outcry about "wasting taxpayer money" would be deafening. Remember, people only complain about how thier taxes are being spent if they can see it, which is why they complain about highways and holiday decorations, but not government-subsidized corporate accounting when it loses say $2 billion at a time...

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[Bulldogcakes]

[/quote]will a mod please teach bulldog how to quote?


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Can I change my name to "Iamatool"?


OK (when I become a Mod, you will be a tool. I can't wait to release all those suppressed Shock Posts too. I may have to blow someone but it will sure be worth it!)

Oh and when you quote, add a nice bold to it. It'll let people know you're a real classy poster...


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[torker]

and what about sunday? that's a relgious holiday that the government endorces every week.


We can now by booze on Sundays in NY!



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where's Elon U anyway?

North Carolina.

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Christmas. Why is it offensive?

Tacky decorations as far as the eye can see?

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[wilee]

Many of the earliest settlers in America came here to be able to practice their religion without being persecuted. Those who practiced other than the "official religion" of their respective countries had to practice their faith in hiding. This is one of the reasons that the language in Constitution states that Congress shall not make laws about the establishment of a religion in this country.

In my opinion, if your town wants to have a Christmas tree or Menorah on its property when the holidays roll around, that shouldn't be an issue. I'm not going to be offended by a symbol of someone's faith being displayed. If they want to make it official, just attend a town meeting and put a motion on the floor to have the displays put up. If it passes, it's official. Written on the record. If some other relgion wants their display up, they can go through the same process.

Regarding the weekend thing that furie pointed out, basically Saturday and Sunday are the sabbaths of both Jewish and Christian religions, and doctrine was that they were not to work on their respective sabbath. That's where this originated. If businesses today had their way, they probably would have us working on the weekends as part of a regular workweek- 9 to 5.

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[Aggie]

My company has taken the PC thing a step further by banning the word 'HOLIDAY' from our annual parties.

I had to name it something gay like the Winter Celebration or Gala because apparently, people were offended by the word holiday. Now that's BS.

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[furie]

My company has taken the PC thing a step further by banning the word 'HOLIDAY' from our annual parties.

I had to name it something gay like the Winter Celebration or Gala because apparently, people were offended by the word holiday. Now that's BS.

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yeah, that is total bullshit.
as government workers, ee are banned from using "christmas party" and rightly so. we have a holiday party. and our christmas bonus is called the "end of the year performance award". i still call it what it is, christmas party and bonus. they don't care what we call it, as long as the flyer says holiday, and that's just fine with me.


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Why does Wrestlingfan start these threads and then never responds to any accusations against his statements? Are his posts so succinct and his position so unflappable that he feels any response is unnecessary? Maybe he's just a flamebaiter.

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[WRESTLINGFAN]

Why does Wrestlingfan start these threads and then never responds to any accusations against his statements? Are his posts so succinct and his position so unflappable that he feels any response is unnecessary? Maybe he's just a flamebaiter.



This is an open forum and there are no unnecessary responses. I stand by my original post by saying no one is forcing anyone to celebrate Christmas. If someone doesnt want to its their prerogative. I still say Christmas time, if I dont refer it to it as "The Holiday Season" too bad. get over it

[mikeyboy]

I still say Christmas time, if I dont refer it to it as "The Holiday Season" too bad. get over it


And nobody's forcing you to. That's the point.

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[WRESTLINGFAN]

Great idea to piss off the the ACLU

Group sings christmas carols in front of ACLU office (http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=41774)

This message was edited by WRESTLINGFAN on 12-6-04 @ 8:13 PM

[mikeyboy]

Great idea to piss off the the ACLU

Group sings christmas carols in front of ACLU office (http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=41774)



And you do know that this article has nothing to do with your "cause", right? The protest has to do with the Boy Scouts.

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And you do know that this article has nothing to do with your "cause", right? The protest has to do with the Boy Scouts.
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Yes it does. the ACLU hates Christmas, Those Christmas carolers were expressing their 1st ammendment rights.

[mikeyboy]

the ACLU hates Christmas,

That may be the single stupidest thing I've seen posted on this board.

According to the article, the carols are not because they "hate Christmas", it's it "hopes that the spirit of the Christmas season will fill the members and employees of the ACLU and that they will embrace the morals and principles of groups like the Boy Scouts and renounce their efforts to destroy traditional values in America."


Those Christmas carolers were expressing their 1st ammendment rights.


Who said they weren't. Your point?



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[BoondockSaint]

Sounds to me like someone invested in some "Christmas" cards and is having a hard time unloading them.

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[HBox]

Sounds like someone's Steve's boots-baiting.

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[furie]

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