Is there any hope left for Rob Van Dam?

[SpicyMcHaggis]

He was Mr. Monday Night.

He was Mr. Pay Per View.

Now he's just a tag team champion with a cruiserweight who they don't even use in their dying division.

Rob Van Dam is simply one of the most entertaining wrestlers around today, and for some reason, WWE has failed to use him the right way. They worry so much about buy rates for their crappy pay per views. Why not bring in the guy who gets cheered everywhere he goes? Rob Van Dam puts asses in the seats, just like he's supposed to do. He entertains in the ring, on the mic (not superbly but he gets the job done) as well as with the fans.

Why not let RVD be the next number one contender for the WWE Championship? With all the buzz coming from the ECW DVD, the best selling DVD they've ever had, why not push a former ECW star to where he so rightfully belongs? I would go so far as having RVD win the Royal Rumble, even though most of us know that it will either be Orton or Cena.

Is it too late for this high flyer to be at the top?

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[BigKilla]

With a DVD coming out soon , there might be a possibility for another push. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think his biggest push was during the Invasion storyline and on one PPV he had a 3-way with Austin and Angle.


I think the problem with RVD is that his style is of wrestling is spot after spot and he would need to slow down the pace of the match for the WWE to consider to push him again. I don'yt think they're to keen on his promo style either.


Plus I'm sure landing on HHH's throat during the Elimination Chamber match didn't help his career.


I don't doubt that he could headline a PPV and keep the crowd hot for a 20-30 minute match, but personally I would rather see him get out of the WWE and showcase his stuff in ROH or TNA where he could make a big impact on either brand.

Imagine RVD vs Aj Styles?Chris Daniels?Low KI? Those matches would kick ass and unfortunatley I don't think those guys have a chance of getting into or pushed in the WWE because of their size.


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[SpicyMcHaggis]

The thing is RVD doesn't really have any other options as far as wrestling. I don't think he'd want to go back to an indy circuit or TNA or ROH or anything like that. Granted those matches you mentioned would be incredible, but let's face it. WWE is the big time. He's still employed with them. He's a tag team champion. Perhaps he's just making the best of his run and doing the best he can to entertain. He can always fall back on the comic book store.

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[Crippler]

Imagine RVD vs Aj Styles?Chris Daniels?Low KI? Those matches would kick ass and unfortunatley I don't think those guys have a chance of getting into or pushed in the WWE because of their size.
His match with Daniels (in XPW?) while he was waiting for the WWE to call was off the charts. By the time it really got rolling, it was such a spot-fest they broke the friggin' ring.

Now-a-days he's just not the performer he was in ECW, and even his early days in WWE. Because I'm such a fan, I try to tell myself it's mostly because he's so frustrated, bored, and overworked. Or at least he was the last time I watched consistanly, which was over a year ago. After he first broke into WWE, I started taping & compiling all of his matches. In his first two years, he failed to appear on three shows...THREE. And there were more than three times where he taped a HEaT match, then wrestled on Raw, thus pulling double duty for the night, three times for the week.

I don't know if he can regain the form & enthusiasm he once had, as much as I would love to see it. Unless, of course, they went through with any one of the dozens of rumors in the last few years about some form of ECW revival. Even then, though, who knows if they would send him there (how could they not?...then again, this is WWE), and who he would get a chance to work with.

I hope that this upcoming DVD leads to another meeger push, but until I see otherwise I'll assume it'll only be to US Champ at best.

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[WNEWstinks]

His match with Dainals was at a UPW show. They have the DVD is stores, but the person who was taping the match fucked it up so much it will get to you. I think the bottom rope broke if I remember correctly.

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[Crippler]

Actually, in the match I'm talking about, they broke a board in the surface of the ring. There was a pothole in the mat...not exactly Taz vs Bigelow, but impressive nonetheless.

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[Se7en]

Rob Van Dam is simply one of the most entertaining wrestlers around today, and for some reason, WWE has failed to use him the right way.

He's not a homegrown WWE worker.

Why not let RVD be the next number one contender for the WWE Championship? With all the buzz coming from the ECW DVD, the best selling DVD they've ever had, why not push a former ECW star to where he so rightfully belongs? I would go so far as having RVD win the Royal Rumble, even though most of us know that it will either be Orton or Cena.

Let's not get crazy now.

RVD is entertaining, but he's NOT what I would call a good worker, and not only is he far too lazy and unmotivated at this point to get the title but he has no credibility as a major player for the title.

As far as the Rumble goes, Cena SHOULD win it, though it will probably go to Orton. Forget RVD - his time has come and gone. Cena's not the greatest in the ring, but as far as pure charisma goes, he's the WWE's best option at creating a new Rock or Austin-like face. It's kind of scary to think how badly the WWE has fucked up by pushing Orton when Cena is better than him in almost all respects; at least they seem to be doing a slow burn with Cena to the WWE Title. Unless they screw up again and wait TOO long, it will mean more when he finally wins it.

Is it too late for this high flyer to be at the top?

In a word? Yes.

With a DVD coming out soon , there might be a possibility for another push. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think his biggest push was during the Invasion storyline and on one PPV he had a 3-way with Austin and Angle.

That was when they lost their opportunity with him. As far back as the Invasion.

The final nail in the coffin was his lost to HHH in the World Title match a couple years back. After that match, RVD was pretty much finished as a credible main event level face.

I think the problem with RVD is that his style is of wrestling is spot after spot and he would need to slow down the pace of the match for the WWE to consider to push him again. I don'yt think they're to keen on his promo style either.

Hasn't he already toned down his pace? BTW, RVD's style is specifically why he's NOT a good worker, though he is entertaining.

His match with Daniels (in XPW?) while he was waiting for the WWE to call was off the charts. By the time it really got rolling, it was such a spot-fest they broke the friggin' ring.


Haven't seen this but I'm sure it's probably good as Daniels is one of the top workers in all of North American and no doubt could carry Rob to a pretty decent match.

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I thought RVD had a chance when he went to Smackdown. I was wrong. I think he still is quality. An Angle vs Van Dam matchup could be very good. Other matches can be great. Instead we got nothing

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[IAMTHEGAME]

What a high profile feud with an established tag team like Kenzo Suzuki and Renee Dupree and an unused cruiserweight as a partner in a very competitive tag team division on the WWE's flagship show, a month before his dvd which is loaded with ECW matches not WWE matches doesnt count as a push.(TOUNGUE IN CHEEK)

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[sleepyeyed_Jynx]

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RVD sucks. I used to be one of the biggest RVD marks out there since ECW and the early days of his arrival. But, I must say, he sucks. He's slower, he can't pull off his moves as crisply as he once could, hell all of his moves look like crap. Then we can go on to say that he ALWAYS looks out of place in the ring as if he doesn't know what he's about to do next. Hmmm, out of place? Sounds like he can work in TNA.

All in all, RVD sucks. His matches suck. He's smoking too much weed. They need to fire him.

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[Evilpete]

RVD now sucks, but that's because he's got no motivation to be a great performer.....I mean look at the past and see even at his best workrate for the WWE, he was shitted on. I mean, one PPV he's in the main event, and THE VERY NEXT PPV, he's a greeter at a failing NYC restaurant and "host" for the PPV.

There's nothing more depressing than seeing an unmotivated RVD...if you wanna see a motivated RVD, watch his matches with Jerry Lynn, or his tag matches with Sabu from ECW...in fact watch as many ECW matches with RVD and see him at his prime. I mean, he was at one point the longest champion in ANY fed for 2 and a half years...and it took a broken leg to get the title off him

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[Se7en]

I don't know if I'd say that he sucks.....I would say that he's INCREDIBLY overrated, though. As I said, he's an entertaining worker, but he's never really been much of a good worker. In a way, he's sort of like Hogan in that regard.

Hmmm, out of place? Sounds like he can work in TNA.

That's not fair. TNA has many workers who are much, much better than RVD.

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[BigKilla]

I think this will definately drop RVDs stock in the company:

From Impact Wrestling.com:

- RVD has a lot of heat on him right now from WWE management because he did not go on the tour to Iraq. Management told wrestlers that the tour was optional, but in reality it wasn't since Vince McMahon expected every wrestler to go. Luther Reigns also did not want to go but ended up going once he found out that Vince would not be happy if he didn't. WWE management apparently tried to intimidate RVD into going, but RVD held firm.


Also, this was from the BTW interview w/ Heyman when asked about RVD:


Perry: Secondly, Rob Van Dam. Does he have what it takes to be the flag bearer for the Smackdown or Raw brand as world champion?

Heyman: Rob Van Dam should have been world champion already. If WWE listened to the audience in 2001, Rob Van Dam would have become world champion back then. Yes, he has everything it takes. He has the one thing that most superstars don't have and that's a connection with the audience. He has a legitimate, bonafide bond with the crowd.

If you look at the record executives who market today's music, Doug Morris, a chairman with Universal Music, is not a young man. Clive Davis, not a young man. The only young guys are really David Dash and Sean Combs and even Sean Combs is not that young anymore. He's certainly not 23 years old. Music is marketed toward 14-23 year old kids and you've got to keep your finger on the pulse. I think what happen to Van Dam, the people who market, put the TV shows together and make the final decisions don't understand his connection with the audience because they don't speak Van Dam's language. Because they don't speak his language, they just don't get how big of a bond he has with the crowd and that's a shame because Van Dam could be a flag bearer for WWE and do huge business.

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