America: The new Roman Empire

[FMJeff]

Is America the new roman empire (http://www.theglobalist.com/DBWeb/StoryId.aspx?StoryId=2526)

Your thoughts.


Mine? The answer is Yes.

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I'm working on it.

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[FMJeff]

Not the insightful response I was looking for but thank you Mojo.

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[Doogie]

America: The new Roman Empire


I would say we are more like the Bourbon Dynasty of France around 1788...

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[Kevin]

Come on Jeff are you kidding? The Roman Empire Invaded countries for no reason had corrupt senators and leaders.Executed people who did crimes..... It's foolish to comp......... Oh wait.........DAMN IT. ..........Nevermind.

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[monsterone]

and the problem is what? become total isolitionists? say fuck africa, fuck the tsunami victims, fuck israel, etc...

as "evil" as america can appear i don't see many others taking initive to developing the rest of the world.

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[A.J.]

Not enough orgies and gladiatorial combat.

Get to work on it Mojo Aurelius!

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[Ndugu]

your crazy man, your cra . . ., your crazy, i like you jeff, but your crazy!

oh, and did the romans let the countries they conquered vote,



"my comments dont speak well of my ability to debate, or my overall intellectual curiosity"

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[IamFogHat]

I've always thought of America as the modern Roman Empire, just updated and improved. The other thing which no one ever brings up is the fact that America will not be around forever, just as the Roman Empire. I've had arguments with naive, stupid people who think that America, because it's so great now, will exist in this form forever. The fact of the matter is, just like Rome, which the apex of power,culture, etc., had to come to an end, and in hundreds, perhaps a thousand years, America will be no more as well.

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[ChildofFez]

oh I agree and I also agree we are gonna fall like it too

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[Keotok]

Yes the Romans did let the providences vote. Just not for Governor, whom was appointed by the Emperor. You usually had a local govt and a Roman contingent. Kinda like letting the Iraqis vote, as long as they vote our way.

[Keotok]

Also is it our responsiblity to take the iniative and solve the worlds problems? Why? We really haven't solved our crap yet. Or is someone gonna tell me that the schools are top notch, the highways are great and the local govts are teeming with surplus'?

At least when the Romans conquered other countries, they collected spoils and taxes from the conquered. We are footing this bill (better yet our grandkids are) off the sweat of our labor.

[Ndugu]

Also is it our responsiblity to take the iniative and solve the worlds problems? Why? We really haven't solved our crap yet. Or is someone gonna tell me that the schools are top notch, the highways are great and the local govts are teeming with surplus'?


i know like oh my god i had to get the motorola v300 instead of the v600, this country is in real trouble, bleghhhhhhhhhhhhhh


Also is it our responsiblity to take the iniative and solve the worlds problems? Why?


ya man!, no more helping anyone man! let em all die man!




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America...
America...
America, FUCK YEAH!
Coming again, to save the mother fucking day yeah,
America, FUCK YEAH!
Freedom is the only way yeah,
Terrorist your game is through cause now you have to answer too,
America, FUCK YEAH!
So lick my butt, and suck on my balls,
America, FUCK YEAH!
What you going to do when we come for you now,
it's the dream that we all share; it's the hope for tomorrow

FUCK YEAH!


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[Recyclerz]

Tom Robbins had an opening line in one of his novels that went something like

"Back in the last quarter of the twentieth century, when Western civilization was declining too quickly for comfort but too slowly to be very exciting, people were waitng for something to happen, ..."

I could be wrong (I have been before), but in my humble opinion having George W. Bush behind the wheel for the first eight years of the new century is that something and it means that the accelerator is firmly pressed to the floor and that things will continue to get more exciting until we actually hit the bridge abutment.



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[Ndugu]

are you people trying to give me a nervous breakdown?!?!?!?!?




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[JPMNICK]

I would be suprised if in 75 years america still was the #1 super power. I think we are on the decline as we speak. nothing to do with the president now. It has to do with the emerging of other countries like China and India who used to basically be a glorified third world country. They have a billion people each country, and are starting to become technological giants. Cheaper labor coupled along with very smart scientists.... sounds kind of like america in the late 1800's through the 1950's.



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[TheMojoPin]

Cheaper labor coupled along with very smart scientists.... sounds kind of like america in the late 1800's through the 1950's.

Or a Godzilla movie.

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[Keotok]

i know like oh my god i had to get the motorola v300 instead of the v600, this country is in real trouble, bleghhhhhhhhhhhhhh



ya man!, no more helping anyone man! let em all die man!


I dont really know what your talking about. I'm all for helping people when we can. Problem is we cant. Unfortunately not everyone can get a V600 in this country. Plus I dont see how that's a reason to control the world.

If you read the article, man, It blantantly points out the reasons that we can not continue to help everyone.

Your opinion seems to suggest that only Americans have their shit together enough to sustain livelyhood. Not all people want to live like us. From my experience most dont want to live like us. Our well being didn't come to us as an entitlement. Our forefathers worked hard to get us were we are. I'd perfer not to screw up their efforts because a foreigner dosen't have the balls to stand up and say "this is wrong".

Dont kid yourself, open your eyes. We as a people dont give two rat assholes about the common Iraqi, or Afgani. Proof of that lies in that Polpot killed multitudes, while we did nothing. Columbia, Rawanda, Sudan, Ertritea, Ethiopa, Somolia, etc... all fare worse than Iraq (an oil rich nation) in human rights, yet we do nothing.

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America: The new Roman Empire


Fm Jeff: The new Chicken Little

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[IamFogHat]

"America is in no need of any kind of change whatsoever." -The irrefutably myopic Bill O'Riley.

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[Ndugu]

yet we do nothing


so we arent the world police now?



Somolia


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Your opinion seems to suggest that only Americans have their shit together


actually you said we didnt have our shit together and i said we did, i didnt say anything about anyone else


If you read the article


i dont like reading




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[silera]

oh, and did the romans let the countries they conquered vote,


Pontius Pilate let the Jews vote on killing Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior.


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[silera]

America: The new Roman Empire


Fm Jeff: The new Chicken Little



"The Sky is falling" = Iraq War Propoganda.

GW wins that title.



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[Death Metal Moe]

America: The new Roman Empire


Fm Jeff: The new Chicken Little



"The Sky is falling" = Iraq War Propoganda.

GW wins that title.


I might entertain that comparison for half a fucking second if Chicken Little had been slaughtering his own chickens, dealing with terrorists, funding terrorists, hiding weapons, resticting inspectors from checking the hen house, had a bad porno mustache, had 2 psycho kids, ignored 17 Barnyard resolutions........

Not to ramble on or anythying.

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Too bad Uncle Ted, Hillary and company didn't go over to Iraq and suggest a "Write in Saddam" campaign before the elections. You know, since things were so great.

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[silera]

I might entertain that comparison for half a fucking second if Chicken Little had been slaughtering his own chickens, dealing with terrorists, funding terrorists, hiding weapons, resticting inspectors from checking the hen house, had a bad porno mustache, had 2 psycho kids, ignored 17 Barnyard resolutions........


a) You obviously haven't read a fucking newspaper in the last year. NO WMD's were found and NO Links to Al Quaeda.
b) I didn't know being a bad parent warrented a US Invasion. Tell your dad to lock his doors.
c) Please decide if the Iraqi people were worth saving from a dictator or not worth counting as casualties. Do you even know how many of them have died? Do you even care? I doubt it as long as we can save them and grant them freedom and you can continue to use any excuse to pardon our collassal mistake.

Your participation in the forum is the equivilant of the op ed pieces of the NY Post or better put so that you can understand it, worth only wiping my ass with.

Please go away and start another USELESS topic. May I suggest : "I like my coffee dark no sugar How about you?"


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How can someone so beautiful, be so liberal :p

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I kid

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Like all things America will come to an end, all that we can possible hope to control is how fast that will happen, either a slow change into something greater or a quick wreck that brings everything with us, right now the needle is pinned in the red zone

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[Death Metal Moe]

You know what Silera, I left a somewhat snotty response to some of your equally snotty responses, but I deleted it.

I can have a difference of opinion with someone and not resort to petty bullshit. I'm better than you.

Thanks for the fun.

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[Doogie]

"I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"-Voltaire

Do you even know how many of them have died?

Is that Iraqi people or total casualties in Mr. Bush's personal crusade of US military/civilians and Iraqi military/civilians??

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I can have a difference of opinion with someone and not resort to petty bullshit.

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[silera]

DMM:

Posts like "Liberalism makes for bad threads" and "Send the fag back to France" really aren't petty at all. In fact, I'm positive that they add tremendously to the tenor of this forum in general.

From the moment you've "returned" you've brought back the bullshit liberal vs conservative tenor to this forum that makes it absolutely impossible to discuss anything whatsoever.



Is that Iraqi people or total casualties in Mr. Bush's personal crusade of US military/civilians and Iraqi military/civilians??


I'm not sure what your question is regarding casualties. I know how many US casualties there have been. As far as I know, no one has kept an accurate tally of how many Iraqi deaths there have been. We can't have it both ways. We can't yearn for their freedom and not care about their deaths.

As for the Bush crusade, I don't think Bush has a crusade against the US or Iraq. I think Bush and the administration have made phenomonal mistakes, miscalculations and have been negligent at best and willfully ignorant of the facts they've been presented. That the administration REFUSES to accept culpability or acknowledge any errors in judgement simply proves to me that any corrective measures will not be taken and most likely, we'll be led down the very same road again.


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[LiquidCourage]

Uh, no.

[Donnielimes]

America like rome will change into something else just as everything does. but I believe the flexibility in our constitution will always maintain that original idea of a democracy even if it is twisted and warped it seems to somehow spring back into that original idea. The people may change, the language will change but no one is coming to america to give up personal freedom-they're coming here to pursue it. liberty,and the pursuit of happiness. a chicken in every pot a car in evvery garage. We export the idea of America. From Nike sneakers to california blondes in america it's better. cause we sell it.

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[Keotok]

As for the Bush crusade, I don't think Bush has a crusade against the US or Iraq. I think Bush and the administration have made phenomonal mistakes, miscalculations and have been negligent at best and willfully ignorant of the facts they've been presented. That the administration REFUSES to accept culpability or acknowledge any errors in judgement simply proves to me that any corrective measures will not be taken and most likely, we'll be led down the very same road again.



I wish I believed that Lil' Bushy was naive, ignorant, and mistake prone. I'm afraid I have crossed over to the belief that his (and his croonies) intent was obscure and told us whatever he needed to in order to keep us from stopping him.

Shame really, I liked him better when I though he was just stupid.