alcoholism

[IamFogHat]

Ok, so I know there are a lot of bullshit tests out there but I was wondering if there was a definitive questionaire to determine whether or not you have a problem with alcohol. I already pretty much know that I do, but I wanted to compare it to something.

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[sr71blackbird]

If your finding that you need to have a buzz every day, then you have a problem. I was having a problem with it. I couldnt wait to get home and fire down 4 beers in rapid succession and then nurse a few more and finally fall asleep. It became a obsession, and a ritual. I gained weight, I lost my shape. I was able to function and all that, but I was seriously craving the alcohol. I realised it was a problem and I had to fight myself, but I took my last drink 6 months ago and havent had any since. If you think your having a problem, stop it and look at stopping it for a length of time as a "goal" and go for it. Youll feel better and know you accomplished something. Theres always help available outside yourself if you need it, but try it on your own first. Youll have to alter your lifestyle though, and hopefully your friends will understand and be supportive. Good luck!

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[Donnielimes]

People who don't have a problem with alcohol don't ask themselves if they have a problem with alcohol or anyone else for that matter. get a big book and read it if you identify with the stories you might be an alcoholic.

"Good Times/Noodle Salad, Thats my story"

[Death Metal Moe]

If I were you, I'd get to an AA meeting. Seriously, or at least check their website.

A family member of mine had a drinking problem his whole life, and at about his 50th birthday, he got off it and it changed his life. BUT, it had already done it's damage to his family.

I don't know how old you are or who your drinking could effect, but think about that man.

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[Mike from Bklyn]

I have a two or three beers a night. I enjoy drinking them. I don't know if I look foward to it. But I don't think I have a problem. I think about it I don't want to drink a six pack. That might be too much. I cut it off at three.

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[curtoid]

If it effects your life, your work, your relationships.



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[mdr55]

So you pretty much admit that you have an alcohol problem but want someething to compare it to. Why? Are you trying to rationalize to wether or not you have a problem at all. Or justify that you have a problem but it's not as severe as you thought it was so you can continue drinking? Or minimize your problem with alcohol--"Wow, I score a 30 on that test, I'm not as bad as I thought".
Like someone else posted, you can check the AA website. Or you can go to any of the big book retailers (Barnes and Nobles or Border books), there is a specific section in those book stores re: self help groups like AA/NA, recovery, etc. Some of the books in that section most likely have some type of quick test that you can check out to see if you have a problem or not.
The SAIS (Substance abuse Inventory scale) you may want to check out. There are different questionnaires and scales that treatment facilities use or administer and that's one of them.

[bobrobot]

Here's the simplest test I've ever heard of...
Would you give up drinking for a year?
if yes,
no problem,
if no,
get help...

(This isn't intended as a joke, or to make light of this issue. Therapists actually use this to determine alcoholism)

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This message was edited by bobogolem on 2-21-05 @ 10:23 PM

[Wormwood]

Would you give up drinking for a year?


Could this be applied to people who are addicted to sex, cause I think I might have a problem then.

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[DESERTEAGLE.50]

So, Bobo...if the answer to the year question is yes, and you make to one year...after a year would drinking again in moderation be adviseable? Or possible?

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[Donnielimes]

go to a meeting and listen to the people there. I found out that the people who were drinking like I drank were all in A.A. so when I finally got there it was where I was supposed to be.

"Good Times/Noodle Salad, Thats my story"

[IamFogHat]

It has not affected school or work, it has slightly affected relationships. I think what I can't figure out is that I'm drinking more than I ever have but it's not having the adverse affects on things like school and work and family that it did before. I don't know, thanks for the advice guys. I'm gonna dry out for a week and then reassess everything after that.

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[bobrobot]

So, Bobo...if the answer to the year question is yes, and you make to one year...after a year would drinking again in moderation be adviseable? Or possible?
Many don't resume because of the effort involved in quitting, or they just end up liking life better w/out the booze, or they find 12 step fellowships. I don't know percentages. According to 12 step groups it's impossible and ill-advised to return to drinking, especially considering the 12 step definition of insanity is practising the same destructive behavior and expecting different (less destructive) results. Insanity is hardly an adviseable lifestyle! Is it possible? Just between you & me, anything's possible. That oughtta ruffle a few feathers. From my personal experience, My first time in a 28 day treatment program, which I was in for 84 days, culminated in the "graduates" being taken out to a bar to "drink in safety," and this was a very famous facility. The day after that I shot 5 bags of dope to celebrate my sobriety, and it took me 6 more years to try and clean up...
Nobody ever died from checking out a meeting!


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[TheStonedAnt]

I have a problem with alcohol too. I just don't get to drink enough of it..... :8|:

[bobrobot]

I have a problem with alcohol too. I just don't get to drink enough of it.....
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[Billy Staples]

you knew I'd chime on sooner or later

I have cut som4e excerpts form the AA Big book regarding your question. I figure let the guys who started 12 step programs explained what they learned and how it helped them. I know for sure they can do a better job of it than I can.

congrats though, there has been some truly wonderful advice here and right on the money

Excerpt #1 from Chapter 2 "there is a solution"

How many time people have said to us: "I can take it or leave it alone. Why can't he?" "Why don't you drink like a gentleman or quit?" "That fellow can't handle his liquor." "Why don't you try beer and wine?" "Lay off the hard stuff." "His will power must be weak." "He could stop if he wanted to." "She's such a sweet girl, I should think he'd stop for her sake." "The doctor told him that if he ever drank again it would kill him, but there he is all lit up again."

Now these are commonplace observations on drinkers which we hear all the time. Back of them is a world of ignorance and misunderstanding. We see that these expressions refer to people whose reactions are very different from ours.

Moderate drinkers have little trouble in giving up liquor entirely if they have good reason for it. They can take it or leave it alone.

Then we have a certain type of hard drinker. He may have the habit badly enough to gradually impair him physically and mentally. It may cause him to die a few years before his time. If a sufficiently strong reason ill health, falling in love, change of environment, or the warning of a doctor becomes operative, this man can also stop or moderate, although he may find it difficult and troublesome and may even need medical attention.

But what about the real alcoholic? He may start off as a moderate drinker; he may or may not become a continuous hard drinker; but at some stage of his drinking career he begins to lose all control of his liquor consumption, once he starts to drink.

Here is a fellow who has been puzzling you, especially in his lack of control. He does absurd, incredible, tragic things while drinking. He is a real Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde. He is seldom mildly intoxicated. He is always more or less insanely drunk. His disposition while drinking resembles his normal nature but little. He may be one of the finest fellows in the world. Yet let him drink for a day, and he frequently becomes disgustingly, and even dangerously anti-social. He has a positive genius for getting tight at exactly the wrong moment, particularly when some important decision must be made or engagement kept. He is often perfectly sensible and well balanced concerning everything except liquor, but in that respect he is incredibly dishonest and selfish. He often possesses special abilities, skills, and aptitudes, and has a promising career ahead of him. He uses his gifts to build up a bright outlook for his family and himself, and then pulls the structure down on his head by a senseless series of sprees. He is the fellow who goes to bed so intoxicated he ought to sleep the clock around. Yet early next morning he searches madly for the bottle he misplace the night before. If he can afford it, he may have liquor concealed all over his house to be certain no one gets his entire supply away from him to throw down the wastepipe. As matters grow worse, he begins to use a combination of high-powered sedative and liquor to quiet his nerves so he can go to work. Then comes the day when he simply cannot make it and gets drunk all over again. Perhaps he goes to a doctor who gives him morphine or some sedative with which to taper off. Then he begins to appear at hospitals and sanitariums.


excerpt #2 from chapter 3 "More about alcoholism"

Despite all we can say, many who are real alcoholics are not going to believe they are in that class. By every form of self- deception and experimentation, they will try to prove themselves exceptions to the rule, therefore nonalcoholic. If anyone who is showing inability to control his drinking can do the right-about- face and drink like a gentleman, our hats are

[SilentSpic]

I'm an alcoholic and proud of it!

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[Bulldogcakes]

I dont drink enough

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