US - China Economic Interdependence

[FMJeff]

Scary Stuff (http://www.theglobalist.com/DBWeb/StoryId.aspx?StoryId=4423)

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[A.J.]

The problem is that an hour after you trade with China, you get the urge to trade again.

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[TheMojoPin]

"Never get involved in a land war in Asia!"

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[Bulldogcakes]

The problem is that an hour after you trade with China, you get the urge to trade again.

HOOOOAAAAHHHHHH!!!!!!!


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If you're wondering, Yes.

[Ndugu]

how do you tell if they like what the us is doing with their expression-less faces and all? meh meh meh meh meh




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[Bulldogcakes]

Isn't it wonderful that were peacefully trading with other nations to the benefit of BOTH? China could be a great trading partner for the US, with a HUGE potential consumer base. We can offer them products and services that will improve the lives of the Chinese, and we'll get rich doing it. Nice.

Where's the scary part?

Income inequality is FAIR, not unfair. If your produce more, you earn more. If you sit on your ass bitching about how little you have, and dreaming of a Socialist/Communist revolution which will never come, guess where you're guarenteed to end up. Your fault, nobody elses.

I work 60+ hour weeks and own a business. Took me 5 years (of even longer hours) to get it going. I now do pretty well. Tomorrow I could be broke again. That's the real world. Opportunity is a CHANCE to be successful, no guarentees.

And if you think we do such a bad job with the poor in this country, check out some others. Even the poor in America have TV, cable, Cell phones etc. That's middle class in most other places.

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If you're wondering, Yes.

[TheMojoPin]

Even the poor in America have TV, cable, Cell phones etc.

Wow, everyone does?

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[ADF]

Isn't it wonderful that were peacefully trading with other nations to the benefit of BOTH? China could be a great trading partner for the US, with a HUGE potential consumer base. We can offer them products and services that will improve the lives of the Chinese, and we'll get rich doing it. Nice.


The only thing China wants from us is <i>maybe</i> some entertainment and blue jeans. That's why we're running a trade deficit. The point of the article is that all it takes is a little tweak and the whole thing can come tumbling down. The way Bush is running the government, it won't be much longer before other countries lose faith in our ability to pay them back. Then we are royally screwed.

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[Bulldogcakes]

ADF, you make valid points, and we do have a potential problem down the road when populations in Japan and elsewhere begin aging and start keeping capital at home for their own needs. But our position in the world is not as fragile as you think. If were less able to attract capital, we'll simply have to raise interest rates, which are now at near historic lows. And our debt/GDP ratio is still less than Europe. And to improve that ratio further, a huge new prosperous China could do wonders to grow GDP.

And as for the rural Chinese rising up and overthrowing the Gov't, I'll believe it when I see it. Sounds to me like more folks are heading to the cities to get all those new jobs. And this is not unlike what happened in the US around the turn of the century when we became industrialized. THis article makes it sound like theres something wrong with that.

The main complaint of this article was income inequality, which I have no problem with.


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[fluffernutter]

The only thing China wants from us is maybe some entertainment and blue jeans.


Can't they just conveiniently conceal some of what they are producing?

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[The Jays]

Dudes, we totally left ourselves wide open to them when the Chinese food delivery drivers started catching us having sex when the food arrives.

They got us by the short and curlies on this one. But at least we have our wonton soup and dim sum.

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[FMJeff]

Never put all your eggs in one basket. That's just common sense.

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[furie]

Where's the scary part?


the fate of Taiwan.
With our interdependency (coupled with our military being a bit streched) we'd be less likely to go against PRC when they finally make a move on the ROC; weither it be military or diplomatc we'd be cut out og Taiwan either way.


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[Yerdaddy]

Where's the scary part?


the fate of Taiwan.
With our interdependency (coupled with our military being a bit streched) we'd be less likely to go against PRC when they finally make a move on the ROC; weither it be military or diplomatc we'd be cut out og Taiwan either way.


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ditto

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[Bulldogcakes]

The fact of the matter is China is moving (very quickly) more in Taiwan's capitalist direction than vice versa. If present trends continue, they will more likely become major trading partners than at war with each other. Between China's own economic interests and their deepening relationship with us, war with Taiwan really doesn't make much sense. Plus the Taiwanese dont want to be part of China AT ALL. And as we've seen in Iraq, its very tough to control a country that doesn't want you there.

Give British PM Tony Blair credit. When he handed over Hong Kong to China in 2000, he was asked if he was worried that Communist China would devour free market Hong Kong. He said (paraphasing)"No, quite the contrary. We think Hong Kong will have an enormous influence on China, not the other way around"
If you know whats been going on in China lately, he looks like fuckin Nostradamus

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If you're wondering, Yes.

This message was edited by Bulldogcakes on 3-12-05 @ 7:36 PM