Terri Schiavo To Be Subpoenaed

[Tazz]

Holy crap.


With the deadline for removing her feeding tube less than an hour-and-a-half away, a House committee will subpoena a brain-damaged Florida woman to appear before Congress next week, an attorney for Terri Schiavo's parents said today.


Link (http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/03/18/schiavo.brain-damaged/index.html)


Why can't they just let this poor lady die peacefully?

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[JohnnyCash]

Its awful. They should just let her go peacefully.

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[Death Metal Moe]

What a load of crap. People should have the right to die, period. This is all due to the "every life is precious" bullshit line of religion. How about "quality of life" issues? How about this is what she discussed with her husband before something like this happened to her.

This seems like misuse of whatever powers they have. I hope someone gets in trouble for this.

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[Death Metal Moe]

I've been thinking a lot about this woman's situation recenlty. It's been discussed to death on various shows and in other media outlets. I heard one caller to a radio show say "What's the harm in this guy just letting her parents taking care of her if her husband doesn't want to. They want her left alive, and he doesn't have to worry about her anymore." What these people don't understand is that maybe, and I say maybe because none of us know this guy, but maybe he is fighting so hard because he knows this is NOT how Terri wanted to live. Maybe he loves her so much that he wants to see her final wished carried out.

I've heard many people, mostly radio hosts I usually agree with, demonizing this husband, and bringing up rumors that he's going to come into a lot of money if she actually dies. Until I hear that for sure, I'm not going to think any less of this guy.

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[walking joint]

now they will remove the tube.

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[Tazz]

I can understand that her parents are upset. But this is not what she would want. One would think that they could understand that.

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[HelghastElite]

They want her left alive, and he doesn't have to worry about her anymore." What these people don't understand is that maybe, and I say maybe because none of us know this guy, but maybe he is fighting so hard because he knows this is NOT how Terri wanted to live.

Where's the proof?

All we have to go on is his word.

Which may be good enough for some people - but in my opinion, it's horrible precedent, especially when we're talking about ending the life of someone, to simply go on this man's account of what she would or would not want done.

The moral of the story: if you want a living will, write one and have it documented. Otherwise, NO ONE should be pulling the plug, no matter how much of a lost cause you may be.

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[HBox]

I think this woman should be able to die, but the way she is going to die is disgusting. They are going to remove the feeding tube and let her starve to death over 2 weeks. That is just a slow, horrible way to die. I really hope she is completely and totally gone and doesn't have to suffer through that. Unfortunately, the same people trying to "save" this woman are the same people who would stop doctors from giving this woman a quick, painless death in lieu of that.

They don't care how people are suffering or anything, they just want their abstract idea of life cherished at all costs. They only care about the idea of life and the sanctity of it; they could care less about people.

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[NewYorkDragons80]

I'm all for the right to die, but the parents have hinted at foul play on the part of the husband. If she was a total vegetable, I would support removing the life support. However, this person is at least somewhat conscious and I'm not too crazy about starving/dehydrating a human being.

On a lighter note:

Opponents of the removal of Terri Schiavo's feeding tube rally Friday outside her hospice in Pinellas Park, Fla.
All the while not noticing one Fez Marie Whatley strolling with his mother and Handyman Bobo nearby...

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This message was edited by NewYorkDragons80 on 3-18-05 @ 3:09 PM

[HBox]

I'm all for the right to die, but the parents have hinted at foul play on the part of the husband.

They're saying whatever they can to save the woman. They didn't have these concerns before the husband decided to to pull the plug on her.

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This message was edited by HBox on 3-18-05 @ 3:08 PM

[CaptClown]

The events that led to her current state weren't natural, she somehow got a potassium overdose. It was blamed on medical malpractice and The Schiavos were awarded $1 million. $700,000 of it went into a trust for her care.

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[Melrapuo]

The events that led to her current state weren't natural, she somehow got a potassium overdose. It was blamed on medical malpractice and The Schiavos were awarded $1 million. $700,000 of it went into a trust for her care.

Where's the other $300,000?

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[HBox]

$700,000 of it went into a trust for her care.

When was that awarded? With the kind of care she needs, that will go quick, and no Government Program will pay anything until all that money is gone. If that happened in the early 90s, I'd bet it is gone.

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[CaptClown]

Ask her husband. The money was awarded in 92 and it is probably gone by now. The more I read about this case the scuzzier I think her husband is. So I am going to stop looking into it and responding.


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This message was edited by CaptClown on 3-18-05 @ 4:53 PM

[HBox]

We should also ask him how much money he's spent on lawyers the last few years.

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[CaptClown]

We should also ask him how much money he's spent on lawyers the last few years.
About $400,000 out of her trust fund.

I know I said I wasn't responding but I have to correct something I said earlier, The events that led to her current state weren't natural, she somehow got a potassium overdose.
change overdose to imbalance. and I'm out.

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[JerryTaker]

I've heard many people, mostly radio hosts I usually agree with, demonizing this husband, and bringing up rumors that he's going to come into a lot of money if she actually dies. Until I hear that for sure, I'm not going to think any less of this guy.


That should show you that some of the radio hosts you listen to are totally willing to lie to mislead you into following anything that anyone with the last name "Bush" says. Remember, Govorner Jeb was the one who doesn't want her to die. Also remember, someone's paying for all that medical equipment and medicine and what not, which means someone else is getting paid for it....



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[Tenbatsuzen]

It's times like this when I'm ashamed of the political party I align myself with.

Irony: girl got messed up from a problem brought on by bulimia - now they are going to starve her to death. Aint' THAT a bitch.



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[Death Metal Moe]

That should show you that some of the radio hosts you listen to are totally willing to lie to mislead you into following anything that anyone with the last name "Bush" says.


Nice try.

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[TheMojoPin]

If the husband was just into this for selfish reasons, why wouldn't he just give up care to the parents? They've indicated they're more than willing to take care of her. And if he is somehow "plotting" something by wanting her to die, well, he's an idiot after all the attention this has gotten. Odds are this is what she would have wanted...let Kevorkian do his thing and let her die with some dignity.

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[Tenbatsuzen]

If the husband was just into this for selfish reasons, why wouldn't he just give up care to the parents? They've indicated they're more than willing to take care of her. And if he is somehow "plotting" something by wanting her to die, well, he's an idiot after all the attention this has gotten. Odds are this is what she would have wanted...let Kevorkian do his thing and let her die with some dignity.

The parents are the ones who are looking awful in this, saying whatever they can to make the husband look bad.



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[Bulldogcakes]

I think this woman should be able to die, but the way she is going to die is disgusting. They are going to remove the feeding tube and let her starve to death over 2 weeks. That is just a slow, horrible way to die. I really hope she is completely and totally gone and doesn't have to suffer through that. Unfortunately, the same people trying to "save" this woman are the same people who would stop doctors from giving this woman a quick, painless death in lieu of that.

From what I understand, she is brain dead. So the starving to death thing is kinda meaningless. But I agree, an overdose of meds is more humane. Though Doctors are very hesitant to get into that. They want to focus on saving lives, not ending them. And we all know their diagnosis can be flawed sometimes.

If she had any brain function, what torture it must be to be trapped in your own body. Let her go.

Plus, isn't the husband the one with legal standing in this matter? Legally, I dont think the parents have any say at all.

They don't care how people are suffering or anything, they just want their abstract idea of life cherished at all costs. They only care about the idea of life and the sanctity of it; they could care less about people.

Its about their religious beliefs. Which is fine, if they want to pay for it. Just dont make it law and ask me to.

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[Tenbatsuzen]

FYI, Terri has no cerebal cortex. It necrotized. Yeah, she can be rehabbed.



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[Tazz]

Plus, isn't the husband the one with legal standing in this matter? Legally, I dont think the parents have any say at all.


Yes. The order would be her spouse, then any adult children, THEN the parents. They are just being selfish here. I know it must be extremely hard for them, but the poor woman should be allowed to die with some dignity.

Hell, my grandmother was a vegetable after a stroke, and although it messed my father up, he still knew best to pull the plug.

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[Tenbatsuzen]

A hilarious point brought up on USENET, and I just wanted to share it here...

Here is a woman who was by all accounts extremely concerned
with her appearance. A woman so vain she purged `til it nearly killed
her. How do you think she'd feel about having photos of her as she
appears today splashed across the nation?



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[HBox]

This guy brings up another excellent point. (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7231440/)

Remember the recent debate about gay marriage and the sanctity of the bond between husband and wife? Nearly all of those now trying to push their views forward about what should be done with Terri Schiavo told us that marriage is a sacred trust between a man and a woman. Well, if that is what marriage means then it is very clear who should be making the medical decisions for Terri - her husband.

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[badmonkey]

The husband (who has denied her therapy for the last 10 years) has 2 children with the woman he's been living with for the past 8 yrs. So much for the sanctity of marriage. It looks to me like he's got two walking talking reasons to not want Terri alive.

Lots of comments about how her parents are saying anything to save her life and make her husband look bad. It seems that the words being used by her husband and his lawyers are doing the same thing for her.

It's a felony to starve a dog to death. What makes anybody think it's more humane to do the same to a human?

Let's not romanticize starving her to death as letting her die naturally. Starving to death works something like this: In the first few days your mouth and lips dry out to the point where your lips crack and your mouth feels like sandpaper. Your eyes dry up and begin to shrivel into their sockets often causing blindness. Then your skin loses its moisture. After about a week your internal organs start drying out and begin to fail. Without the internal organs working, your body fills with toxins and you are essentially poisoned.

If that sounds like a nice way to go, then feel free to try it. I'd be willing to bet that you either eat something or find a quicker method to off yourself within the first week. Slitting her throat would be more humane, at least it would be over within a few minutes rather than 1-3 weeks.

Read the timeline and watch the videos here to see Terri in action:

http://www.terrisfight.org

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This message was edited by badmonkey on 3-19-05 @ 12:46 AM

[HBox]

The husband (who has denied her therapy for the last 10 years) has 2 children with the woman he's been living with for the past 8 yrs. So much for the sanctity of marriage. It looks to me like he's got two walking talking reasons to not want Terri alive.

That doesn't make any sense whatsoever. And what kind of therapy is going to un-necrotize her cerebral cortex?

Let's not romanticize starving her to death as letting her die naturally. Starving to death works something like this: In the first few days your mouth and lips dry out to the point where your lips crack and your mouth feels like sandpaper. Your eyes dry up and begin to shrivel into their sockets often causing blindness. Then your skin loses its moisture. After about a week your internal organs start drying out and begin to fail. Without the internal organs working, your body fills with toxins and you are essentially poisoned.

Doctors say there is no hope for her. They have said that time and time again. This has been looked at thoroughly over and over again by the courts and they have continually reached the same conclusion.

Doctors also say she's brain dead and won't feel anything, just as she has not felt anything since she became brain dead. There's no way to know for sure whether she is or will feel anything. What we do know, and what has been proven for well over a decade, is that she won't get better. Just let her die a quick humane death. But I'd guess you'd try and stop that too.

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This message was edited by HBox on 3-19-05 @ 1:10 AM

[badmonkey]

Doctors also say she isn't braindead. Doctors say they've seen signs of improvement. Doctors say a lot of things. Always get at least one 2nd opinion when a doctor tells you hope is lost. Every doctor is not an expert and being a doctor does not make you correct all the time either. Some doctors can be paid off to say whatever a court wants to hear. That goes for both sides of this debate.

Euthenasia is illegal. :)

Badmonkey

[badmonkey]

Oh and congratulations, you've just solved the social security problem. We just starve everybody to death that is mentally deficient.

Badmonkey

[HBox]

Euthenasia is illegal.

Do you think it should be?

Courts have looked at this and listened to many doctors. Most doctors said there is no hope. Doctors can't agree on anything. Does that mean we can never reach any conclusion?

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[HBox]

Oh and congratulations, you've just solved the social security problem. We just starve everybody to death that is mentally deficient.

WHAT?

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[A.J.]

We can put down a suffering animal yet we can't do the same for a suffering human.

Yeah, that seems right.

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[Tenbatsuzen]

Read the timeline and watch the videos here to see Terri in action:

http://www.terrisfight.org

The video is propaganda. Selected clips culled from 4 1/2 hours of material. It's the same as saying "the best stuff is in the trailer!". They cherrypicked the stuff of her looking "aware", and cut out the parts of the father BERATING her because she didn't look aware enough.

Doctors also say she isn't braindead. Doctors say they've seen signs of improvement. Doctors say a lot of things.

The case has had five doctors. Two on the Schindlers side, two on the husbands' side, one court appointed. SHE HAS NO CEREBRAL CORTEX.

The husband (who has denied her therapy for the last 10 years) has 2 children with the woman he's been living with for the past 8 yrs. So much for the sanctity of marriage. It looks to me like he's got two walking talking reasons to not want Terri alive.

Then he could divorce her, if she's so alive. If the parents think she's so alive, put a pen in her hand and have her sign the divorce papers. Maybe the dad can yell at her a little bit more when her penmanship isn't spot-on.

Stop. The guy isn't allowed to try and move on with some parts of his life because his wife is the equivalent of a cantaloupe?

Lots of comments about how her parents are saying anything to save her life and make her husband look bad. It seems that the words being used by her husband and his lawyers are doing the same thing for her.

It's one thing to say that Terri has no cerebral cortex. It's another for the parents to claim that the husband beat the shit out of her when none of those claims are founded, and the bone breaks are consistent with CPR.

SHE HAS NO CEREBRAL CORTEX.




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[Tenbatsuzen]

Oh and congratulations, you've just solved the social security problem. We just starve everybody to death that is mentally deficient.

Badmonkey



I'll be taking that sandwich from you, then. Thanks for playing.



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[Tenbatsuzen]

see Terri in action

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OK, we have a few for this one.

"I think you hit the spacebar accidentally between "in" and "action"."

"Watch her drool and stare vacantly into space. Yes, so much action, just like your typical viewer of CBS' Monday Night lineup!"

"If by "action", you mean drooling, shitting, and not moving, I think one of my co-worker's feeding tubes need to be removed as well."





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This message was edited by Tenbatsuzen on 3-19-05 @ 1:59 AM

[HBox]

Did anyone read that fax from Mel Gibson on that website? He cares so much about this that he spent at least sixty seconds putting together a fax of support, and for some reason sent it to them from Drago's Seafood Restaurant.

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[HBox]

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Insert your own joke here. Don't be shy, you know you want to say something.

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[Tenbatsuzen]

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[FMJeff]

Doctors also say she isn't braindead. Doctors say they've seen signs of improvement. Doctors say a lot of things. Always get at least one 2nd opinion when a doctor tells you hope is lost. Every doctor is not an expert and being a doctor does not make you correct all the time either. Some doctors can be paid off to say whatever a court wants to hear. That goes for both sides of this debate.


She has absolutely no brain activity. You can't cheat that analysis. This isn't a clever interpretation of the data. She's running on autonomics now, she's a biological machine, kept a live by a tube. She's fucking brain dead. Period.


Oh and congratulations, you've just solved the social security problem. We just starve everybody to death that is mentally deficient.


Someone check Badmonkey's CT scan...I think its time to remove the feeding tube.

Yes, that's what he was insinuating, you twit. Let's starve the mentally ill.

You're an awesome word twister. You should get a medal, honestly. Mentally deficient? You call absolute brain death a mental deficiency? Jesus, cancer must be a like the common cold to you...



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[WRESTLINGFAN]

Ted Kennedy, the ACLU and the rest of them are concerned about the health and well being of terrorists prisoners in Gitmo but says nothing about STARVING someone to death. Death with dignity? Give me a fucking break

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[Bulldogcakes]

Amazing how some folks see EVERYTHING through a Right/Left prism. Ted Kennedy has nothing to do with this.

At least Rush makes millions playing that bullshit partisan game. Everyone else does it for free.

Want the Right Wing to drop her like a bad habit? Tell them they have to pay to keep her alive with tax dollars.


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[NewYorkDragons80]

Euthenasia is illegal.

[font=Century gothic][color=navy][size=2]Do you think it should be?
I think Euthenasia should be legal, but this is a case where the husband may or may not be responsible for the wife being incapacitated. It's a stickier issue because she isn't the one choosing Euthenasia.

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[WRESTLINGFAN]

From the US Constitution

Amendment VIII

Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.


So starving someone to death is ok according to the Judge who ordered the tube to be removed

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[Tenbatsuzen]

From the US Constitution

Amendment VIII

Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.


So starving someone to death is ok according to the Judge who ordered the tube to be removed



Nice of you to excise the most important part of that... which is reflecting the part being about criminals or those accused of a crime. Which has nothing to do with this.



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[SatCam]

On the other hand, she is being treated like she's done something bad :|

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[Tenbatsuzen]

On the other hand, she is being treated like she's done something bad :|

Bulimic. Hate to be cruel, but she DID bring this upon herself. Just as a fat person would drop of a heart attack and everyone thinks it was bound to happen, the same could be said about this.



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That's true... so why didn't they let her die 15 years ago?

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[Tenbatsuzen]

That's true... so why didn't they let her die 15 years ago?


Medical malpractice suit stemming from the heart attack/potassium imbalance. They were awarded 1M for her care.



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[TheMojoPin]

Ted Kennedy, the ACLU and the rest of them are concerned about the health and well being of terrorists prisoners in Gitmo but says nothing about STARVING someone to death. Death with dignity? Give me a fucking break

Holy Christ, are you serious with all this? What does ANY of it have to actually do with the topic of this thread?

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[Tenbatsuzen]

More irony:

Stem cell research, which the Religious Right is so wildly against, could possibly develop a therapy to help people like Terri. Not Terri specifically, but people LIKE Terri in the future.

Of course, no one in the religous right sees the forward thinking of a statement like that. They just seem to think God is going to miraculously rebuild her cerebral cortex.

I don't understand why people are trying to paint this guy as a killer. He's been offered a million dollars to walk away, he's been through the ringer. I mean, seriously - he was going to get the insurance money when she had the heart attack - it's just a delayed settlement.





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[Death Metal Moe]

Yea, Ted Kennedy has as much to do with this as Queen Elizabeth. You fucking dolt.

Libs do a lot of stupid things, but don't bring the up when they have nothing to do with a topic. It cheapens it.

This has been politicized, but really should have nothing to do with politics. This SHOULD have been a private matter.

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[HBox]

Moral of the story: Get a living will.

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[Donnielimes]

they're gonna starve this woman to death. It is the most painful way to die . It'll take days and she will suffer painfully. this is like totally cruel, I don't know why her husband is doing it but it's wrong.

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[Tazz]

HOW is she going to know she is starving? She has no cerebral cortex!!

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[HBox]

This isn't going to end anytime soon. (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7212079/)

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[Tenbatsuzen]

they're gonna starve this woman to death. It is the most painful way to die . It'll take days and she will suffer painfully. this is like totally cruel, I don't know why her husband is doing it but it's wrong.



You may be aware of the pain, but I assure you: without a cerebral cortex, she is most definitely NOT.



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[SatCam]

What's the point of starving her because she can't feel it? Just seeing her body suffer is bit much. They should just take her out and be done with it.

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[Bulldogcakes]

We can put down a suffering animal yet we can't do the same for a suffering human.

Yeah, that seems right.

Actually, you just inadvertantly ruined your own argument.

Dogs can feel pain and have the approximate intelligence of a 2 year old child.

She has neither.

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[BoondockSaint]

From cnn.com. Here is a photo of the news conference her mother held. I beleive that in the background you can see Fez's brother Corky promoting a new club he has.

http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/2005/LAW/03/20/schiavo/top.schiavo.mom.ap.jpg

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[Tenbatsuzen]

Y'see, this is why I hate fanatical left-wing groups like Moveon and right-wing groups that are pro-life. They take the most obnoxious, attention-whoring techniques to make their point, rather than letting the facts speak for themselves.

Another issue - the Democrats have already reserved calling Bush Hitler, so the right-wing can't turn around and call people who are trying to end Terri's life "Auschwitz".

What IS it with comparing the mass genocide of people to Bush and other things? AUSCHWITZ HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS.


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[SatCam]

Bush's younger, more attractive brother, Jeb.

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[HBox]

Judith Packevicz had cancer. (http://www.consumerwatchdog.org/healthcare/st/st000343.php3)

Judith Packevicz needed a liver transplant. Judith Packevicz's quality of life was described as "indescribably miserable both physically and mentally." Judith Packevicz had no trouble finding a donor. Judith Packevicz was not brain dead. Judith Packevicz was fully aware of both her situation and her suffering. Judith Packevicz had insurance.

Judith Packevicz died. (http://www.consumerwatchdog.org/healthcare/nw/nw000739.php3)

Judith Packevicz's HMO would not pay for the transplant. Judith Packevicz's hosptial therefore did not save her life. Judith Packevicz died a miserable death. There was no special session of Congress called to save Judith Packevicz's life.

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[Tenbatsuzen]

Um, Hbox?

I usually enjoy your posts, but how did a right to life/right to death debate, especially with the federal government's involvement, turn into an issue with HMO's?



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[HelghastElite]

Another issue - the Democrats have already reserved calling Bush Hitler, so the right-wing can't turn around and call people who are trying to end Terri's life "Auschwitz".

What IS it with comparing the mass genocide of people to Bush and other things? AUSCHWITZ HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS.

I think it's high time that BOTH sides cut the bullshit.

It's quite past time that we start enforcing Godwin's Law. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_Law) He who drags out Nazis or Hitler in an argument (and most specifically, to analogize one's opposition to either) that isn't specifically about those subjects has lost the argument.

I also propose an addendum to that law, applying the same principle to references to Communism.

It would apply to both political persuasions, but in this particular case, SatCam, I'm looking at you.

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That idea sucks.

You're worse than Pol Pot.

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[HBox]

I usually enjoy your posts, but how did a right to life/right to death debate, especially with the federal government's involvement, turn into an issue with HMO's?

I wasn't trying to make a point about HMO's. Those were the only articles I could find on the story. I just didn't want anyone accusing me of making up the story.

My point was that people die often because they can't afford a medical procedure, and unlike this case, they don't have Congress stepping into save their life, and some of these people die more painful, excruciating deaths, and these people feel it, and all these scumbags who claim to cherish life couldn't give a fuck.

EDIT: These scumbags refer to the people in Congress.

DOUBLE EDIT: I just want to make very clear I'm not trying to drag that HMO discussion into this. Totally different issue.

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But can't we just leave the HMO's out of this, HBox?

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You're worse than Pol Pot.

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[Bulldogcakes]

This place is turning into Rwanda lately.

And the Mods that run it are worse than Saddam Hussein, Gegis Kahn and the Attila the Hun all rolled up into one big Milosovich.




I think that just about covers it.

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[FMJeff]

This place is turning into Rwanda lately.

And the Mods that run it are worse than Saddam Hussein, Gegis Kahn and the Attila the Hun all rolled up into one big Milosovich.



Is there any other genocidal moments/tyrants in history we can associate this particular issue with?

And what did we do this time, Bulldogcakes?

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[Tenbatsuzen]

Maybe Jerry Taker is right and the Patriot Act is just trying to silence those in disagreement with our country... Maybe it's a big coverup...

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[angrymissy]

<a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0%2C12271%2C1077219%2C00.html">
Terri Schiavo's father discontinued life support for his mother</a>

But, given the vehemence with which he has been fighting to prolong Terri's life, it is a little surprising to learn that Robert decided to turn off the life-support system for his mother. She was 79 at the time, and had been ill with pneumonia for a week, when her kidneys gave out. "I can remember like yesterday the doctors said she had a good life. I asked, 'If you put her on a ventilator does she have a chance of surviving, of coming out of this thing?'" Robert says. "I was very angry with God because I didn't want to make those decisions."

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[TheRealEddie]

A reminder that Terry Schiavo does NOT show any brain activity associated with awareness of her surroundings. She has been diagnosed as having a persistant vegitative state:

The vegetative state can be diagnosed according to the following criteria; (1) no evidence of awareness of self or environment and an inability to interact with others; (2) no evidence of sustained, reproducible, purposeful, or voluntary behavioural responses to visual, auditory, tactile, or noxious stimuli; (3) no evidence of language comprehension or expression; (4) intermittent wakefulness manifested by the presence of sleep-wake cycles; (5) sufficiently preserved hypothalamic and brain-stem autonomic function to permit survival with medical and nursing care; (6) bowel and bladder incontinence; and (7) variably preserved cranial-nerve reflexes (pupillary, oculophalic, corneal, vestibulo-ocular, and gag) and spinal reflexes..... A wakeful unconscious state that lasts longer than a few weeks is referred to as a persistent vegetative state. (1)

The videos showing her responding to her surroundings are clipped together from long footage and were deemed irreproducable by court after court. Essentially they are FAKEs in the sense that they MISREPRESENT the real situation. Here is an interesting read from what appears to me as an unbiased legal page: http://abstractappeal.com/schiavo/infopage.html#qanda.
Notive how the families own experts disagreed on the issue of conscious activity.
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What about the Schindlers' claims that Terri is conscious and responds to stimulation?

When the Second District first reviewed the trial court's decision that Terri would chose not to live under her present circumstances, the appellate court expressed no reservations when it explained that Terri was and "will always remain in an unconscious, reflexive state, totally dependent upon others." In October, 2002, as a result of Terri's parents' claims that treatment options offered promise to restore some of Terri's cognitive functioning, the Second District ordered the trial court to hold a trial on that issue. The trial court did so, and in the course of that trial the parties litigated whether Terri is in a persistent vegetative state.

The trial court heard testimony from five experts: two selected by Michael, two selected by the Schindlers, and one independent expert selected by the trial court. The two experts selected by Michael and the independent expert agreed that Terri was in a persistent vegetative state and that her actions were limited to mere reflexes. The two experts chosen by the Schindlers disagreed, but the trial court found their positions not credible. For instance, the trial court explained:

At first blush, the video of Terry Schiavo appearing to smile and look lovingly at her mother seemed to represent cognition. This was also true for how she followed the Mickey Mouse balloon held by her father. The court has carefully viewed the videotapes as requested by counsel and does find that these actions were neither consistent nor reproducible. For instance, Terry Schiavo appeared to have the same look on her face when Dr. Cranford rubbed her neck. Dr. Greer testified she had a smile during his (non-videoed) examination. Also, Mr. Schindler tried several more times to have her eyes follow the Mickey Mouse balloon but without success. Also, she clearly does not consistently respond to her mother. The court finds that based on the credible evidence, cognitive function would manifest itself in a constant response to stimuli.

The experts also disagreed about whether any treatment could improve Terri's condition. The two experts selected by the Schindlers each proposed a potential therapy method, but the trial court rejected both of them based on "the total absence of supporting case studies or medical literature."

Affirming those decisions, the Second District explained that it, too, reviewed the videotapes of Terri in their entirety as well as Terri's brain scans. The appellate court explained t

[HBox]

I'm honestly disgusted by the abuse of power.

I can only imagine what they'll do when this fails.

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[SatCam]

It would apply to both political persuasions, but in this particular case, SatCam, I'm looking at you.
It was a joke. I wouldn't compare Jeb Bush to Joey Stalin.

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[torker]

Is there any other genocidal moments/tyrants in history we can associate this particular issue with?

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Ammendment X

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[Bulldogcakes]

This place is turning into Rwanda lately.

And the Mods that run it are worse than Saddam Hussein, Gegis Kahn and the Attila the Hun all rolled up into one big Milosovich.



Is there any other genocidal moments/tyrants in history we can associate this particular issue with?

And what did we do this time, Bulldogcakes? [/quote]

You cant be serious. Read the posts before Mojo's, then read Mojo's, then read mine again.

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[Reephdweller]

I'm honestly disgusted by the abuse of power.



I agree completely. I believe that congress completely overstepped their bounds in this case.

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[HBox]

Wow, The Daily Show just ripped them to shreds. That was some funny shit.

And has anybody else heard about that six-month year old child who was taken off life support against his/her parents wishes because they couldn't afford it, and all because of a law Bush signed as Governor of Texas? Why the hell do I have to hear about this stuff first on The Daily Show?!

Here's the story on the baby. Found no mention of whether they could afford it. I actually agree with the doctors, but this case still flies right in the face of Bush's and the Republicans position. (http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/metropolitan/3084934)

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[Reephdweller]

A federal judge has refused to order the reatatchment of the feeding tube to Shiavo.

Just in.

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[TheMojoPin]

TAMPA, Fla. - A federal judge on Tuesday refused to order the reinsertion of Terri Schiavo's feeding tube, denying an emergency request from the brain-damaged woman's parents. (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7254897/)

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[Tazz]

Uh, that's what he said....

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[TheMojoPin]

Yeah, I read that totally wrong.

It's way too early for the night I had.

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[Reephdweller]

Silly rabbit.

Don't know if this has already been brought up, but someone told me that they heard on the news that a nurse is coming forward saying that Terri Shiavo's husband poisoned his wife with insulin that she saw him do it back when she was first admitted into the hospital some 15 years ago. I guess all these stories will start coming out now.

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[Tenbatsuzen]

Wow, The Daily Show just ripped them to shreds. That was some funny shit.

And has anybody else heard about that six-month year old child who was taken off life support against his/her parents wishes because they couldn't afford it, and all because of a law Bush signed as Governor of Texas? Why the hell do I have to hear about this stuff first on The Daily Show?!

Here's the story on the baby. Found no mention of whether they could afford it. I actually agree with the doctors, but this case still flies right in the face of Bush's and the Republicans position. (http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/metropolitan/3084934)



They mentioned this on Imus this morning. They said if Terri was in Texas, this would be an open and shut case - since the doctors and the spouse are in agreement to terminate life support, the parents would have no say whatsoever.

DO NOT LUMP BUSH INTO THIS. The only reason why he signed the legislation is because it would be an absolute PR nightmare if he vetoed.

It's one person, one life, and Bush knows that ultimately, Federal government won't get involved and this is just a lot of hot air on Congress' part.



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Silly rabbit.

Don't know if this has already been brought up, but someone told me that they heard on the news that a nurse is coming forward saying that Terri Shiavo's husband poisoned his wife with insulin that she saw him do it back when she was first admitted into the hospital some 15 years ago. I guess all these stories will start coming out now.



OK, 15 years of this going through the courts and this comes to light now?

As Henry Silva would say, "Bullshit... or... not..."

I was waiting for the attention whores to come out of the woodwork to make a buck.



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[Reephdweller]

Well, I haven't heard anything else on this case about the husband poisoning his wife. At least nothing in Google news searches, or on the radio so I'm going to guess that the person who told me this heard it wrong or something.

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[keithy_19]

Honestly, this case makes me sad. I can't imagine how it must feel like to starve to death. The pain and suferign that brings on. And her family, who wants to keep her alive, has to sit and watch her wither away.

And her husband seems like a real douche. He just decided now to let her die? If her wishes were to die, why not when she first went into this state?

I smell bullshit.

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[HBox]

DO NOT LUMP BUSH INTO THIS.

I think you're being naive here. He came back to Washington early so he could sign the bill the bill the first second he could. His actions are well in line with his views. He's not a small government, states rights conservative.

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[TheMojoPin]

Honestly, this case makes me sad. I can't imagine how it must feel like to starve to death. The pain and suferign that brings on. And her family, who wants to keep her alive, has to sit and watch her wither away.

She won't feel a thing. As it's been said numerous times in this thread, she has no cerebral cortex.

Her family want to keep her alive only in the most basic technical terms. Honestly, anything short of a literal miracle at this point, her "real" life was over 15 years ago.

And her husband seems like a real douche. He just decided now to let her die? If her wishes were to die, why not when she first went into this state?

Keithy, this has been going on for over a decade.

I smell bullshit.

You might want to read up on the rest of the posts in this thread before you do.

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[Reephdweller]

I can't imagine how it must feel like to starve to death.


I highly doubt she's feeling it. Of course I don't know, but all the medical observers of this who I've seen comment on this have said that she won't be in pain during this.

I know this is a horrible ordeal for her family. However my feeling on this is that Bush, the republicans, and democrats who moved this to federal levels really overstepped their bounds by taking it beyond the state level. As much as I have compassion for the family, I have much more compassion for the states to have the rights to handle their own issues. I believe that federal judges, especially the one who decided for her to not be given the feeding tube also agree that this should not have been brought before them.

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[FMJeff]

This place is turning into Rwanda lately.

And the Mods that run it are worse than Saddam Hussein, Gegis Kahn and the Attila the Hun all rolled up into one big Milosovich.



Is there any other genocidal moments/tyrants in history we can associate this particular issue with?

And what did we do this time, Bulldogcakes?

You cant be serious. Read the posts before Mojo's, then read Mojo's, then read mine again.

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This message was edited by Bulldogcakes on 3-21-05 @ 9:30 PM[/quote]

So Mojo said something, and all of a sudden, the entire site and its staff are painted with the same brush of being worse than mass murderers?

I don't know if you're joking or not, its kind of an odd association...

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[TheMojoPin]

Jeff, he was joking. I don't know how much clearer he can be...

HelghastElite said this...

I think it's high time that BOTH sides cut the bullshit.

It's quite past time that we start enforcing Godwin's Law. He who drags out Nazis or Hitler in an argument (and most specifically, to analogize one's opposition to either) that isn't specifically about those subjects has lost the argument.

I also propose an addendum to that law, applying the same principle to references to Communism.

It would apply to both political persuasions, but in this particular case, SatCam, I'm looking at you.

So I said...

That idea sucks.

You're worse than Pol Pot.

So Bulldog said...

This place is turning into Rwanda lately.

And the Mods that run it are worse than Saddam Hussein, Gegis Kahn and the Attila the Hun all rolled up into one big Milosovich.




I think that just about covers it.

See? We had a little "thing" going.

It's all right here. (http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/viewmessages.cfm/Forum/87/Topic/44298/currentpage/3/page/Terri_Schiavo_To_Be_Subpoenaed.htm#bottom)

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[angrymissy]

I can't imagine how it must feel like to starve to death.

As has been said before:

SHE HAS NO FUCKING CEREBRAL CORTEX

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The human brain has a massively developed cerebral cortex (the grey folded outer layer). Pain and fear in humans results from the stimulation of several regions of the cerebral cortex.

She is not going to feel ANYTHING. Her brain activity is ZILCH. Her cerebral cortex has been replaced by SPINAL FLUID. Her parents are selfish for holding on to her shell of a body to make them feel better.

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[angrymissy]

PS - Bush is a hypocrite

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[keithy_19]

Well I stand by my previous statement about how her family will be watching her die, slowly. That has to hurt.

I was watching the news, and they had a doctor who spent 10 hours with her. He said that she could go through rehabilitation and gain back a lot of what she lost.

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[HBox]

I was watching the news, and they had a doctor who spent 10 hours with her. He said that she could go through rehabilitation and gain back a lot of what she lost.

She is in a persistent vegatative state. Every doctor in this case, no matter what side they are on, agreed on that. And no person has ever, EVER recovered from being in a persistent vegatative state.

Everyone is so eager to discredit the husbands motives. How about the motives of the doctors who are saying, without any evidence or prior success of treatment, that therapy will help her? Don't you think they'd have something to gain in getting paid to do therapy on Terri Schiavo. Especially if they know they can go on getting paid for it indefinitely when they know she's not gonna get any better? And that they would have people making decisions for her dead set against letting her die?

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[angrymissy]

I was watching the news, and they had a doctor who spent 10 hours with her. He said that she could go through rehabilitation and gain back a lot of what she lost.

Please research this more before making uneducated statements. First of all, this is a doctor who spent 10 whopping hours with her. It has been almost unanimously declared by every doctor that has examined here that there is absolutely no chance of recovery.

<a href="http://www.contracostatimes.com/mld/cctimes/news/11199367.htm">Most experts doubt chance of recovery</a>

<a href="http://www.keralanext.com/news/indexread.asp?id=158777">Schiavo recovery impossible, experts agree: </a>

Let me repeat again.

This woman has NO CEREBRAL CORTEX. She has been in a vegetative state for well over 10 years. If there was a chance of recovery, it would have happened. She is not in a coma. She lacks ALL HIGHER BRAIN FUNCTIONS.

Open an encyclopedia, or google CEREBRAL CORTEX.

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[Furtherman]

I was watching the news, and they had a doctor who spent 10 hours with her. He said that she could go through rehabilitation and gain back a lot of what she lost.


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[angrymissy]

And hey! What about the big hubub about the "Sanctity of Marriage"... you know - the thing the gays were trying to take away from us!

Well, I mean, if marriage is so sacred, doesn't her husband have the final say in this matter?

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[TheMojoPin]

Well I stand by my previous statement about how her family will be watching her die, slowly. That has to hurt.

She might as well have been dead for the last 15 years.

Only the only reason it's so slow is that euthanizing someone in any manner is illegal.

But everyone, seriously, Keithy is entitled to his opinions. Don't take to cheap partisan shots when he hasn't done anything even remotely similar.

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[sr71blackbird]

I feel bad for her parents. Imagine having a daughter and wanting her to live and they have hope and faith in God and they are willing to step in and assume responsibility for her and everyone is fighting like hell to have her life support cut? It must he very hard to have a loved one in that state...

I understand that she will never recover from it and its almost pathetic to keep her alive on some level. I think the government shouldnt get involved either. I think its a personal issue and they should just the the parents have her life in their hands.

On the other hand, if the parents had her, and something happened to THEM... I dont know who would have to take over..

They are saying that no ones ever recovered from something like this.... how long has it been documented and what happened to the other people this has happened to and what was their situation?

The husband wants to walk away, I think the family should absolve him and let him get on with his life.

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PS - Bush is a hypocrite


Missy - in the game of politics, he had to sign off on the bill, or it would be a PR disaster. The religious right would turn on him in a heartbeat. Already, some Conservative/Republican bloggers who have said they don't want Congress involved and Schiavo should be unplugged have been torn to pieces by their Christian Right bretheren.

Notice how Bush hasn't made a big deal about signing the bill? How quiet he's been? How he hasn't visited the Schiavos at ALL even though he's on vacation?


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[Tenbatsuzen]

DO NOT LUMP BUSH INTO THIS.

I think you're being naive here. He came back to Washington early so he could sign the bill the bill the first second he could. His actions are well in line with his views. He's not a small government, states rights conservative.


This was on Imus. The reason Bush flew back to DC is because as a matter of protocol, bills cannot be faxed and/or emailed. So it was either fly the actual bill to Texas, or Bush flies to DC. They said it would look bad if the bill itself flew to Texas, so Bush flew to DC.

Again - PR disaster waiting to happen, and Bush would lose a major sector of his support if he vetoed the bill.

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[Reephdweller]

I hate poll and PR driven politics. If Bush didn't believe in this he should weather the political storm and vetoed it the moment it hit his desk. It has reason to be there in the first place. I support the President on a lot of things, this one I won't though.

As I said, I have compassion for the situation, however that doesn't mean we should rule government on emotion. The moment this ended at the state level this should have been the end of it. It's sad that she will die, but that is just the way it is.

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[Bulldogcakes]

Jeff, he was joking. I don't know how much clearer he can be...

HelghastElite said this...

I think it's high time that BOTH sides cut the bullshit.

It's quite past time that we start enforcing Godwin's Law. He who drags out Nazis or Hitler in an argument (and most specifically, to analogize one's opposition to either) that isn't specifically about those subjects has lost the argument.

I also propose an addendum to that law, applying the same principle to references to Communism.

It would apply to both political persuasions, but in this particular case, SatCam, I'm looking at you.

So I said...

That idea sucks.

You're worse than Pol Pot.

So Bulldog said...

This place is turning into Rwanda lately.

And the Mods that run it are worse than Saddam Hussein, Gegis Kahn and the Attila the Hun all rolled up into one big Milosovich.




I think that just about covers it.

See? We had a little "thing" going.

Thank you Mojo.
FM, How's YOUR cerebral cortex these days?

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Hypothetical:
If she had signed a living will asking that life support be removed after 15 years, would people still be trying to keep the tube in?

It seems that at a minimum at least two unrelated issues are being steamrolled into one fallacious argument.
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[Bulldogcakes]

You have to hear the SHIT making the rounds on Rush, Hannity etc

1-The husband actually did all this to her, and he's trying to cover the evidence by killing her.
2-The Husband repeatedly tried to kill her in the hospice with insulin
3-The husband insisted she recieve no rehabilitative care in the hospice
4-Terry can laugh, speak, and smile. And keep track of you as you walk around the room.
5-Terry can be rehabilitated
6-Terry can play Beethovens 5th with her tongue (OK I made that one up)

Not a shred of evidence for any of it. This is what happens in the poor part of town. Big story followed by conspiracy theories.

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[Reephdweller]

If she had signed a living will asking that life support be removed after 15 years, would people still be trying to keep the tube in?


No, she would have been long dead.

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Thank you Mojo.
FM, How's YOUR cerebral cortex these days?

I have a lazy habit of not reading the entire thread....

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It's times like this I miss O&A being off the air... That old gag.

BTW - when O&A get back, the Terri Schiavo Starvation Tour should be wrapping up. Nice.



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[TheMojoPin]

I feel bad for her parents. Imagine having a daughter and wanting her to live and they have hope and faith in God and they are willing to step in and assume responsibility for her and everyone is fighting like hell to have her life support cut? It must he very hard to have a loved one in that state...

But what if the loved one quite possibly DIDN'T want to be "alive" this way? Then it's just them deciding for her...

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[FUNKMAN]

Imagine having a daughter and wanting her to live and they have hope and faith in God


this is not an attack!


for me it seems to be ironic that people with such faith in God and believing that there is such a better place after death would be so unwilling to let her move on

what does it mean? i'm not sure but for me it means people really don't have the faith in God and heaven that they think they have

i think "missing your loved ones" means more to anyone than their faith in God

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[cubafanatic]

Is Terri living like the guy from the Metallica video? No senses at all and she's been praying to God for death to end her suffering. Is he trying to answer her prays? Will Congress foil God's plan?

[Tenbatsuzen]

Is Terri living like the guy from the Metallica video? No senses at all and she's been praying to God for death to end her suffering. Is he trying to answer her prays? Will Congress foil God's plan?



Guy from the Metallica video had brain function. He could THINK, although his mind was his prison.

Terri has no brain function. She's not a person, she's a thing.

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[angrymissy]

I'm just 100% asshole



PS - Bush is a hypocrite

Missy - in the game of politics, he had to sign off on the bill, or it would be a PR disaster. The religious right would turn on him in a heartbeat. Already, some Conservative/Republican bloggers who have said they don't want Congress involved and Schiavo should be unplugged have been torn to pieces by their Christian Right bretheren.

Notice how Bush hasn't made a big deal about signing the bill? How quiet he's been? How he hasn't visited the Schiavos at ALL even though he's on vacation?

Bush interrupted his vacation and flew back to Washington to sign this bill. He signed a bill as the Governor of Texas assuring the "Right to Die". He is blatantly doing what he looooved to accuse the left of doing "flip-flopping", PR Nightmare or not, he is a hypocrite.

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[Tenbatsuzen]

Bush interrupted his vacation and flew back to Washington to sign this bill. He signed a bill as the Governor of Texas assuring the "Right to Die". He is blatantly doing what he looooved to accuse the left of doing "flip-flopping", PR Nightmare or not, he is a hypocrite.


Missy, I said it before - protocol required that he had to fly back to Washington.

And there's a huge, major difference between flip-flopping on a war and flip-flopping on legislation concerning a single life.



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[HelghastElite]

She is not going to feel ANYTHING. Her brain activity is ZILCH. Her cerebral cortex has been replaced by SPINAL FLUID.

This is the one thing people keep saying and it's probably what I have the biggest problem with in this whole, tragic mess, because it just seems like a huge, giant justification for the fact that she's going to die a horrible death.

"But she won't feel anything!"

Yes, that's true. But really, how much solace is that? Starvation is a BAD ending. It's a pretty sad fucking state of affairs that one has to comfort one's self over the fact that she's going to die that way with only the knowledge is that she probably won't feel anything. I don't know, to me it just seems as if people are acting as if, "hey, she's going to starve to death, but it's a-okay, cause she won't feel anything." And I don't get that. I'm not in favor of euthanasia, I don't support it, and I wouldn't want it used even here, but I'm not REALLY going to be comforted by the fact that she won't feel anything. Like I said, it's little solace - particularly for her family, which is why instead of demonizing them, I feel a lot of sympathy for their suffering.

Her parents are selfish for holding on to her shell of a body to make them feel better.

That's pretty fucking callous.

Maybe you would react exactly like Michael Schiavo if a situation occurred such as this with one of your loved ones - and hell, maybe you already HAVE. But other people have a more difficult time dealing with loss and grief and I'm not one to castigate them because of it.

And hey! What about the big hubub about the "Sanctity of Marriage"... you know - the thing the gays were trying to take away from us!

Well, I mean, if marriage is so sacred, doesn't her husband have the final say in this matter?


There is a valid criticism in this case - once you get past all of the bullshit conspiracy theories about how he abused her, etc. - which centers around the fact that for the last 10 years or so he's had a common law wife, upon which he's fathered two children.

That doesn't necessarily change anything in regards to his legal status as her guardian, and one could argue that he has a right to move on with his life, but I do feel that there is a valid criticism to be made there that he has, in all essence, destroyed the sanctity of their marriage, at least "morally", by choosing to start a new life with another woman.

But what if the loved one quite possibly DIDN'T want to be "alive" this way? Then it's just them deciding for her...

My problem with this case, from the very beginning, has been that there is no proof whatsoever that she wanted to die other than the assertions of her husband (who may or may not be a trustworthy witness, depending upon your point of view). I'm not going to argue that she wanted to live in such a situation as this, because it's likely not true, but nevertheless I find if somewhat abhorrent that a decision of life and death is being based upon what the husband says she told him apparently once, years ago, when they were watching TV together one night.

The courts have sided with the husband, and that's ultimately where this will have to end. But I have to agree that the one silver lining that hopefully will come out of this awful tragedy is that more people will write up living wills - get their wishes documented - because I personally think that basing life and death decisions on nothing more than oral conversations to be abysmal precedent.

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[angrymissy]

Maybe you would react exactly like Michael Schiavo if a situation occurred such as this with one of your loved ones - and hell, maybe you already HAVE. But other people have a more difficult time dealing with loss and grief and I'm not one to castigate them because of it.

My mother had a blood disorder which caused clots to form in her blood. She was hospitalized once for 3 months due to a blood clot in the lung, and while hospitalized, she signed a DNR order ("Do Not Resucicatate"). A little over a year later, a blood clot formed and travelled to her heart and she passed away (no mechanical means were used in the ER to sustain her life).

Did I feel shitty and wronged that my mother could have been saved and she wasn't due to the DNR? Did I wonder what would have happened if the DNR was not in place? Of course I did. But to go against your child's personal wishes and sustain someone else's life to make yourself feel better is SELFISH.

It is SELFISH of Terri's parents to keep their shell of a child alive so they don't have to let go. Can I sympthaize with the fact that they don't want to let go? Of course. But they need to respect their daughter's wishes, as well as take into account her quality of life.

his is the one thing people keep saying and it's probably what I have the biggest problem with in this whole, tragic mess, because it just seems like a huge, giant justification for the fact that she's going to die a horrible death.

"But she won't feel anything!"

Yes, that's true. But really, how much solace is that? Starvation is a BAD ending. It's a pretty sad fucking state of affairs that one has to comfort one's self over the fact that she's going to die that way with only the knowledge is that she probably won't feel anything. I don't know, to me it just seems as if people are acting as if, "hey, she's going to starve to death, but it's a-okay, cause she won't feel anything." And I don't get that. I'm not in favor of euthanasia, I don't support it, and I wouldn't want it used even here, but I'm not REALLY going to be comforted by the fact that she won't feel anything. Like I said, it's little solace - particularly for her family, which is why instead of demonizing them, I feel a lot of sympathy for their suffering.

Starvation is a bad ending, when you have the capacity to feel and be aware of what is happening to you. Starving is going to have the same mental effect on Terri as living a regular day. She is not aware of what is happening to her. I feel bad for her parents that they must lose a child, but they are only thinking of themselves in this situation. Unfortunately, due to the current state of affairs in our country, the only option is to remove her feeding tube and let her body starve to death. It would be a lot easier if we could pass legislation allowing doctors to give a letal injection in cases like this.

What's really whacko about this is people are now saying that Terri is the second coming of Christ, and that she'll die on Good Friday and rise on Easter Sunday.



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[Tenbatsuzen]

What's really whacko about this is people are now saying that Terri is the second coming of Christ, and that she'll die on Good Friday and rise on Easter Sunday.


Oh man, link me. I need to read this, I've been having a really bad day and I need the chuckles.



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[angrymissy]

newyork.craigslist.org - World Politics Forum is good for laughs during the day

You'll have to dig through the posts from yesterday to find the Terri/Jesus comments

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[TheMojoPin]

Bush interrupted his vacation and flew back to Washington to sign this bill. He signed a bill as the Governor of Texas assuring the "Right to Die". He is blatantly doing what he looooved to accuse the left of doing "flip-flopping", PR Nightmare or not, he is a hypocrite.


Missy, I said it before - protocol required that he had to fly back to Washington.

And there's a huge, major difference between flip-flopping on a war and flip-flopping on legislation concerning a single life.

Dude, Bush has NEVER broken off one of his zillion other vacations on that gay-ass ranch of his...yet now all of a sudden he does?

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[HBox]

Is it true that he didn't break off his vacation at the ranch for the Tsunami? I heard that somewhere.

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[TheMojoPin]

Yet another gem from "The Daily Show."

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[Tenbatsuzen]

Dude, Bush has NEVER broken off one of his zillion other vacations on that gay-ass ranch of his...yet now all of a sudden he does?



Congress never presents bills to him while he's on vacation. This was emergency legislation. Hence why he had to come back. Checks and balances.



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[HelghastElite]

Dude, Bush has NEVER broken off one of his zillion other vacations on that gay-ass ranch of his...yet now all of a sudden he does?



Congress never presents bills to him while he's on vacation. This was emergency legislation. Hence why he had to come back. Checks and balances.


You're ALL missing the real answer.

Two words: Jeb Bush.

Do I think George W REALLY cares about this issue? I think he cares, based upon his religious beliefs, but I don't think he has any serious interest in this issue.

But who does? Jeb Bush. Jeb is intimately tied into this story, and W won't leave his brother high and dry on the issue.

He signed the legislation for familial reasons more than ANYTHING else.

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Why does Jeb care so much about this? If this is all an attempt to seem compasionate on a national level to later help his chances of being a presidential nominee that would just be wrong and insulting.

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Jeb Bush files for custody of Schiavo (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,151347,00.html)

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[angrymissy]

Unfucking believable.

Good quote from that article...

"This isn't the personal family tragedy it should be - it's a national reality show," added Dr. Jonathan Moreno of the Center for American Progress.

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[Doctor Manhattan]

This is the one thing people keep saying and it's probably what I have the biggest problem with in this whole, tragic mess, because it just seems like a huge, giant justification for the fact that she's going to die a horrible death.

"But she won't feel anything!"

Yes, that's true. But really, how much solace is that? Starvation is a BAD ending. It's a pretty sad fucking state of affairs that one has to comfort one's self over the fact that she's going to die that way with only the knowledge is that she probably won't feel anything.

Then we'll need to step in with:

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She's not going to recover, she's not really alive anymore. If an animal were in her situation we would want to put it out of it's misery.

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[BOBtheCOP]

she will be summoned to the court room only if there is an insect problem....she will solve it with that human flytrap under her nose

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[TheMojoPin]

The lawyer for the parents was trying to turn this full-blown into a "religious thing" with his statement today. Everything was about God and Easter and Jesus....did anyone else hear it? I can't find a transcript online.

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[ChickenHawk]

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[angrymissy]

Here is what I don't understand... If you're deeply religious and believe in God and all, wouldn't you be morally opposed to keeping yourself alive via artificial means?

Shouldn't God be taking you when he's supposed to?

And, yes Mojo, I've heard people talking about the Jesus, dying on Good Friday blah blah crap but I can't find a link yet

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[Furtherman]

I don't think I could read that... it would make me too angry. Jesus was a creation - a myth - and yet he f'n ends up in too many aspects of human life ...aaarrrrggg... but that is another thread...

Someone give her a nice, big shot of morphine already. End this.

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[HelghastElite]

Here is what I don't understand... If you're deeply religious and believe in God and all, wouldn't you be morally opposed to keeping yourself alive via artificial means?

Shouldn't God be taking you when he's supposed to?


I've seen that argument used once or twice before this week, and ultimately it's a weak argument.

By that same logic, no one should enjoy the benefits of any sort of modern medicine, because it's largely "unnatural". By that same line of thinking, people shouldn't be receiving organ transplants, or be given CPR if they're in cardiac arrest, or even be given flu or any other immunization shots, because they're not "natural".

Many people believe in God, but most people aren't Christian Scientists.

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[Tenbatsuzen]

Here's another God arguement...

If the Schindlers are catholic, and if Terri is given Last Rites, then she'll pass on into His Kingdom - and live a MUCH BETTER LIFE. She'll be able to think/walk/talk etc.

But hey, that's just crazy talk.





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[Tenbatsuzen]

Probably the funniest thing I heard today was this...

During O&A's show, Ant was playing drops of Sgt. Hartman from "Full Metal Jacket" over Terri's moaning.

Hartman: "YOU ARE A DISGUSTING FATBODY!"

Anthony (quietly, under his breath) Well, not lately...

I almost drove off the road.



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Now that the Ultimate Warrior (http://www.ultimatewarrior.com/03.22.05.htm) has weighed in on the subject, I can finally get some sleep.

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[TheMojoPin]

I just saw a rep for the parents on "Hannity & Colmes," and he just tried to say that what the judges have done here is similar to how they're "trampling the Constitution to try and allow gay marriage."

Real classy, douchebag. You're trying to bemoan this woman dying, yet have plenty of time to trump your bullshit, discriminatory agenda.

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[Reephdweller]

Mojo, that was Randall Terry, one of the biggest douchebags I've ever seen. He's the guy who walks around with dead fetuses and is mostly just a political opportunist joke at this point.

What gets me is that republicans bitch and moan about federal intervention into things, but then they do the same themselves when it's important to them and their causes. It really shows what phonies the republicans have become.

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[Tenbatsuzen]

This whole fucking show disgusts me and makes me ashamed to be a moderate conservative.

Can we please make a third party for middle of the road types like myself? Demopubs? Republocrats? Something? And yes, I know there's "independent", but I don't feel like I fall in there either.





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[Reephdweller]

This whole fucking show disgusts me and makes me ashamed to be a moderate conservative.



That's exactly how I feel. Somehow this one case has almost completely changed my view of things.

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If she was from Georgia instead of New Jersey, she'd be a communist, card-carrying member of the ACLU, whiny liberal Democrat.

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[JimBeam]

It is pretty sickening.
I consider myself to be an ultra-conservative and I'm a Catholic and i think letting her die, although tragic, is the right thing to do.
The one thing that has always bothered me about politics is how one side can do something and the other side reacts one way and then the roles are reversed and there's outrage.
My biggest complaints against the Republicans were the Waco scene ( had Reagan dine something like that they'd have applauded it, but since it was Clinton it was a big deal ), the Gonzales kid from Cuba ( any other day Republicans would be kicking somebody like that out of the country but again since it was Clinton it was such a tragedy ) and now this.
I mean usually you can turn on some conservative radio and hear a point that somewhat differs from the party line, bit now you have evry one of them saying how the Florida courts over stepped their boundaries ( but again it wasnt a problem during the 2000 election ).
I dont see how every conservative can not see how bad this is.
I mean you have big gov't interference in a family's personal ordeal, you have a trampling of state's rights by the US Senate/Congress, its awful.
I'd love to hear Pat Buchanan's opinion on it.


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[Tenbatsuzen]

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[angrymissy]

This is what I mean by the parents being selfish (taken from their testimony in court - <a href="http://uspolitics.about.com/b/a/149562.htm">link</a> :

Testimony provided by members of the Schindler family included very personal statements about their desire and intention to ensure that Theresa remain alive . . . at any and all costs. Nearly gruesome examples were given, eliciting agreement by family members that in the event Theresa should contract diabetes and subsequent gangrene in each of her limbs, they would agree to amputate each limb and would then, were she to be diagnosed with heart disease, perform open-heart surgery. Within the testimony, as part of the hypothetical presented, Schindler family members stated that even if Theresa had told them of her intention to have artificial nutrition withdrawn, they would not do it. Throughout this painful and difficult trial, the family acknowledged that Theresa was in a diagnosed persistent vegetative state.

yuck.

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Everytime I see one of these religious, "celebrate life"-types offering their opinion on this issue, I feel the pain that Ms. Schiavo supposedly cannot.

Do shut up already. This isn't about life, it's about quality of life. Is the condition she is condemmed to worthy of being considered "living"?

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[WRESTLINGFAN]

Ted Kennedy, the ACLU and the rest of them are concerned about the health and well being of terrorists prisoners in Gitmo but says nothing about STARVING someone to death. Death with dignity? Give me a fucking break

Holy Christ, are you serious with all this? What does ANY of it have to actually do with the topic of this thread?




According to the ACLU, a whole lot


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[TheMojoPin]

You've got a boner now, don't you?

Still waiting to see how the treatment of suspected terrorists has ANYTHING to do with this case.

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[Kevin]

I don't Fucking get it. ITS BEEN 15 YEARS!!! She is not coming back. Let the poor woman die and shut the fuck up.

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[SamoanWoman]

Where's the other $300,000?



Fifteen years ago, the court awarded her 1 million dollars. The doctor's insurance company went back to court and had it reduced to $700,00. The cost for her care at this hospice is $80,000 per year. That money ran out some time ago (do the math) and now that bill is paid mainly by the State of Florida. Her parents are on Social Security and cannot pay towards it and her husband does. The media has been very irresponsible in saying that the parents and husband are fighting over any money.

For the record: If I am ever in that kind of a state my hubby can end my life...Honey, put down that pillow!

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[SamoanWoman]

The husband (who has denied her therapy for the last 10 years) has 2 children with the woman he's been living with for the past 8 yrs. So much for the sanctity of marriage. It looks to me like he's got two walking talking reasons to not want Terri alive.


Let's not romanticize starving her to death as letting her die naturally. Starving to death works something like this: In the first few days your mouth and lips dry out to the point where your lips crack and your mouth feels like sandpaper. Your eyes dry up and begin to shrivel into their sockets often causing blindness. Then your skin loses its moisture. After about a week your internal organs start drying out and begin to fail. Without the internal organs working, your body fills with toxins and you are essentially poisoned.

If that sounds like a nice way to go, then feel free to try it. I'd be willing to bet that you either eat something or find a quicker method to off yourself within the first week. Slitting her throat would be more humane, at least it would be over within a few minutes rather than 1-3 weeks.


First of all, her husband cannot prevent her from getting therapy if it is prescribed by a doctor. What you are talking about is the efforts made by her parents for therapy that was NOT prescribed, as her doctors did not feel that it would be productive. Not to mention, that they wanted the husband to pay for it because they cannot. That he does have a right to refuse to do. I feel very bad that her husband couldn't stick by her during the "for worse" part but at a 50% divorce rate and shows where people marry just for looks or money, everybody better put those rocks down.
As to starving to death, it sounds terrible and I would not wish that on anyone in possession of all their faculties. But that is the argument, she is not. In regard to the videos, I love how none of them is more recent than over 5 years ago! I have seen what she looks like now. Keeping her alive is not a kindness and I prefer that the State of Florida spend the 80K it pays for her care for therapy for her wounded parents.

[SamoanWoman]

I think Euthenasia should be legal, but this is a case where the husband may or may not be responsible for the wife being incapacitated. It's a stickier issue because she isn't the one choosing Euthenasia.

[/quote]The paragraph above is a quote. I screwed it up.

Where did you get that nugget of information? She was an anorexic and had been admitted to the hospital with heart problems. The medication to stabilize her interacted with her lack of potassium from the anorexia. Her husband had nothing to do with that, the woman was already starving herself to death.

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Boy, I'll bet these kids are doing this with NO encouragement from anyone else.

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[WRESTLINGFAN]

This is from an Article from the AP. This is getting more and more ridiculous

"On Thursday, a Rockford, Ill., man was arrested in Seminole after trying to steal a weapon from a gun shop. Michael W. Mitchell, 20, told deputies he wanted to "take some action and rescue Terri Schiavo" after he visited the Pinellas Park hospice where she lives, an official said. "



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[fiestygal]

it turns out terri shiavo went to Archbishop Wood which is a High school in the county next to mine

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[Bulldogcakes]

I think all the coverage of this story has put ME in a vegetative state.
Would somebody please kill ME? PLEASE?

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[fiestygal]

when i was in the car coming back from my day of driving up and down NJ my dad asked me what he would like to be done with me if GOD FORBID i was in a state like that

i told him that id want to be taken off life support or feeding tube since i wouldnt know what was going on anyway and there would be no hope to recover

that lady's brain is gelled and they should just let her be..do the most humane thing for her

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[fiestygal]

when i was in the car coming back from my day of driving up and down NJ my dad asked me what he would like to be done with me if GOD FORBID i was in a state like that

i told him that id want to be taken off life support or feeding tube since i wouldnt know what was going on anyway and there would be no hope to recover

that lady's brain is gelled and they should just let her be..do the most humane thing for her

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[Bulldogcakes]

Fiesty, you're repeating yourself. We got your point the first time .

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[Tenbatsuzen]

This may be looking for something, but can somebody explain to me how a name like Schindler translates to a Catholic family?



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can somebody explain to me how a name like Schindler translates to a Catholic family?
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[Kevin]

This may be looking for something, but can somebody explain to me how a name like Schindler translates to a Catholic family?


Wasent Oscar Schindler a Nazi before he started helping? So i don't think it was ever a Jewish name.

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[JerryTaker]

Now that the Ultimate Warrior (http://www.ultimatewarrior.com/03.22.05.htm) has weighed in on the subject, I can finally get some sleep.

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as surreal as that was, I found this tidbit the most poigniant:



(No, I don't agree with liberals -- about anything. On this issue, though, I just don't't happen to agree with Republicans and con-servatives. Then again, what's new here? I've now been more out of agreement with Republicans and con-servatives longer than the length of time I was in a agreement with them before I found out what frauds and cons they were. No, I'm not a damn independent, either. I'm a Conservative who truly is one.)


Maybe, just maybe, this stuff might be the first inkling of the Neo-con movement overreaching to the point where they're making themselves look like fools

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Do you think her parents will sue when she dies?

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[fluffernutter]

Is Terri living like the guy from the Metallica video? No senses at all and she's been praying to God for death to end her suffering.


Awesome movie. Johnny Got His Gun was SUCH an awesome movie. Great book too.

I have been trying so so hard to avoid all the news stories on this cause I feel when it comes to personal tragedies the news media and government should stay out of it. I don't know who is right or wrong. Be it the Husband or the Parents.

I even feel wrong and like I have no right to having an opinion by saying she should live or she should die because I don't know her. She's not one of my family members so therefore I really shouldn't have an opinion at all.

Kind of hard though not to have an opinion when the story is in your face every day.

All I do know is that I am getting a Living Will so should this ever happen to me, I can have the feeding tube taken away OR taken off life support.

I just hope and pray that Terri may soon have her peace.

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[HelghastElite]

All I do know is that I am getting a Living Will so should this ever happen to me, I can have the feeding tube taken away OR taken off life support.


I've actually decided completely differently.

I'm gonna write up a living will to tell everyone not to pull the plug. I'm happily vegetate for years if that's what becomes of me.

Although I'm hoping by the time I'm old and grey and this sort of thing might happen to me they'll just be able to clone me a new body / brain. Or just download my consciousness into a robot, which would be boss.

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[TheMojoPin]

It really looks like the neocons might have finally shredded their "free pass" from the last four years with this one...the sentiment in the article is something I've been hearing a LOT. Hell, just look at some of the posts in this very thread...

WASHINGTON - A week after their unprecedented intervention in the Terri Schiavo case, Republican congressional leaders find themselves in a moral and political thicket, having advanced the cause as a right-to-life issue - only to confront polls showing that the public does not see it that way. (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7297597/)

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[Tenbatsuzen]

Do you think her parents will sue when she dies?


Considering how litigous they've been? I guarantee you there's some sort of Wrongful Death suit wating to happen.



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can somebody explain to me how a name like Schindler translates to a Catholic family?


It's a German name - half of Germany is Catholic.

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[WRESTLINGFAN]

You've got a boner now, don't you?

Still waiting to see how the treatment of suspected terrorists has ANYTHING to do with this case.



If theres a picture of Akmed with underwear on his head, the ACLU has a shit fit, yet there is a woman deteiorating and they think its ok.


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I give Hillary one term, tops.

actually your giving her 4,501 terms. not to split hairs,and i'm surprised none of other the mikey mistakefinders have said anything.

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[TheMojoPin]

You've got a boner now, don't you?

Still waiting to see how the treatment of suspected terrorists has ANYTHING to do with this case.



If theres a picture of Akmed with underwear on his head, the ACLU has a shit fit, yet there is a woman deteiorating and they think its ok.

OK, one more time...what does one have to do with the other? Not in your ridiculous radio pundit "catchphrase" way...a REAL connection. A REAL comparison. How are these two different cases in any way comparable?

Besides, the ACLU filing anything on behalf of Terry Schiavo would fly in the face of why she's being allowed to die in the first place...it's supposedly what SHE wanted. The ACLU taking the case "for" her would actually be trying to allow OTHER people to control her and make her decisions for her. Not exactly a banner example of CIVIL LIBERTIES there, huh? If she didn't want to "live" like this, the ACLU fighting for her to LIVE would be the COMPLETE OPPOSITE of what they claim to stand for.

Oh, and way to break down to the prison scandal to just "underwear on someone's head." Guess all the kidnapping, rape, torture and murder didn't happen, right?

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[torker]

Guess all the kidnapping, rape, torture and murder didn't happen, right?

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If we elect another Clinton or Bush, I'm moving to Brazil.

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I give Hillary one term, tops.

actually your giving her 4,501 terms.

Oh god.....I don't think I could survive even one, let alone an additional 4500.

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[Tenbatsuzen]

If theres a picture of Akmed with underwear on his head, the ACLU has a shit fit, yet there is a woman deteiorating and they think its ok.




Your first mistake is calling her a woman. Terri Schiavo, the person, died 15 years ago when her brain went without oxygen too long.

What's in a Floridia hospice right now is a biological entity. That's it. It's not a human being capable of rational thought, emotion, anything.

You do realize that a frigging catepillar has more cognitive abilities than the Biological Entity, correct?



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[WRESTLINGFAN]

You've got a boner now, don't you?

Still waiting to see how the treatment of suspected terrorists has ANYTHING to do with this case.



If theres a picture of Akmed with underwear on his head, the ACLU has a shit fit, yet there is a woman deteiorating and they think its ok.

OK, one more time...what does one have to do with the other? Not in your ridiculous radio pundit "catchphrase" way...a REAL connection. A REAL comparison. How are these two different cases in any way comparable?

Besides, the ACLU filing anything on behalf of Terry Schiavo would fly in the face of why she's being allowed to die in the first place...it's supposedly what SHE wanted. The ACLU taking the case "for" her would actually be trying to allow OTHER people to control her and make her decisions for her. Not exactly a banner example of CIVIL LIBERTIES there, huh? If she didn't want to "live" like this, the ACLU fighting for her to LIVE would be the COMPLETE OPPOSITE of what they claim to stand for.

Oh, and way to break down to the prison scandal to just "underwear on someone's head." Guess all the kidnapping, rape, torture and murder didn't happen, right?



You just dont get it. The ACLU lawyers want to make sure that they get their due process rights, just like Terro Schiavo did when her parents filed many appeals.



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[torker]

As you know, my research has advanced to a point where I can put her mind into the body of a gorilla.
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[TheMojoPin]

You've got a boner now, don't you?

Still waiting to see how the treatment of suspected terrorists has ANYTHING to do with this case.



If theres a picture of Akmed with underwear on his head, the ACLU has a shit fit, yet there is a woman deteiorating and they think its ok.

OK, one more time...what does one have to do with the other? Not in your ridiculous radio pundit "catchphrase" way...a REAL connection. A REAL comparison. How are these two different cases in any way comparable?

Besides, the ACLU filing anything on behalf of Terry Schiavo would fly in the face of why she's being allowed to die in the first place...it's supposedly what SHE wanted. The ACLU taking the case "for" her would actually be trying to allow OTHER people to control her and make her decisions for her. Not exactly a banner example of CIVIL LIBERTIES there, huh? If she didn't want to "live" like this, the ACLU fighting for her to LIVE would be the COMPLETE OPPOSITE of what they claim to stand for.

Oh, and way to break down to the prison scandal to just "underwear on someone's head." Guess all the kidnapping, rape, torture and murder didn't happen, right?



You just dont get it. The ACLU lawyers want to make sure that they get their due process rights, just like Terro Schiavo did when her parents filed many appeals.



O and A... PARTY ROCK!!!!!

I give up.

Every reply you've posted has managed to not answer or counter any of what I've posted. It's all sideways.

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[FMJeff]

You just dont get it. The ACLU lawyers want to make sure that they get their due process rights, just like Terro Schiavo did when her parents filed many appeals.


Ok, huh? Cannot follow this, for some reason...


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actually your giving her 4,501 terms.

Hillary the President for the rest of our lives. Moe take that gun out of your mouth! FM Jeff pull your pants up! Mojo, you too! Stop that!

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[Tenbatsuzen]

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<P>ÿ</P>
<P>That sign cracks me up.ÿ Let me get this straight, the Bush brothers did everything they legally could to help out, with the exception of W. making some sort of executive order, which would be another PR disaster, and the religous right still isn't happy?</P>
<P>BTW, Easter is about family, assholes.ÿ Nice to see that your attention whoring has led you down a path that Christ never intended.</P>
<P>ÿ</P>
<P>ÿ</P>

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[TheMojoPin]

Do any of these people care that maybe Terry Schiavo really WOULDN'T want to live in this condition?&nbsp; And look, it's not conclusive that she wouldn't....but it seems like they're not even considering that possibility&nbsp;for a second.&nbsp; What if she HAD left a written statement claiming she wouldn't want to be on life support like this, and her parents were contesting it?&nbsp; Would these people still be out there, fighting for her right to "live?"

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[HBox]

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Looks like Buster Poindexter had a sex change. How about that?

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[Tenbatsuzen]

<FIELDSET style="WIDTH: 450px"><LEGEND><FONT color=#3175bd size=2><STRONG>QUOTE</STRONG><BR></FONT></LEGEND>Do any of these people care that maybe Terry Schiavo really WOULDN'T want to live in this condition?ÿ And look, it's not conclusive that she wouldn't....but it seems like they're not even considering that possibilityÿfor a second.ÿ What if she HAD left a written statement claiming she wouldn't want to be on life support like this, and her parents were contesting it?ÿ Would these people still be out there, fighting for her right to "live?"<BR><BR>ÿ<BR>1979 << On the streets of your town... >> "You can tell some lies about the good times we've had, but I've kissed your mother twice...and now I'm working on your dad..."</FIELDSET>
<P>Considering her vanity led her down a path of bulimia, I'm guessing that she probably most DEFINITELY wouldn't want to live with this.ÿ But again, I'm just guessing.
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[Tenbatsuzen]

<P>BTW - for all those folks that are concerned that Terri's going to die a painful death - they are giving her a morphine drip.&nbsp; Which means, cerebral cortex or not, she's feeling ZERO pain.</P>
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They are in Florida... Of course not.

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<P><BR><BR><FONT face="Century Gothic"><FONT color=navy><FONT size=2>Looks like Buster Poindexter had a sex change. How about that?</FONT></FONT></FONT><BR><BR>Let Us Trim Our Hair In Accordance with Socialist Lifestyle!</P></FIELDSET>
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<P>&nbsp;That sign cracks me up.&nbsp; Let me get this straight, the Bush brothers did everything they legally could to help out, with the exception of W. making some sort of executive order, which would be another PR disaster, and the religous right still isn't happy?</P></FIELDSET>
<P>The religious right are NEVER happy...you can't be happy and religious, they don't mix...
<P>how can you be happy with SATAN everywhere....</P>

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<P>holy shit...terri was a fucking hottie</P>

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<P>The religious right are NEVER happy...you can't be happy and religious, they don't mix...
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<P>That sure as hell seems to be the case. The only time they seem to be happy is when they are telling everyone else in the country how they should live their lives. Look, you guys worry about youselves, and leave the rest of us out of your self-righteous BS. Stop acting like the Taliban west. F'ing tools.</P>

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[HelghastElite]

<FIELDSET>The religious right are NEVER happy...</FIELDSET>
<P>My favorite moment from the past few days was when the gardener at the governor's mansion went outside and watered a plant.</P>
<P>Some religious wackjob who was mugging for the cameras immediately started blaring on his bullhorn, "Do you see that, ladies and gentlemen?&nbsp; The governor is watering his plants, while at the same time Terry is being denied food and water!"</P>
<FIELDSET>holy shit...terri was a fucking hottie</FIELDSET>
<P>VERY hot.&nbsp; I would have hit it.</P>
<P>Too bad she vomited herself into a coma.</P>

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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">I'm sorry if i sound stupid and out of it... What caused her to be like this in the first place? And How did she get to being in this vegetative state? Was it a sickness? A medical mistake?</SPAN></P>

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[HelghastElite]

If I'm not mistaken, she went into cardiac arrest because of her bulimia.&nbsp; The doctors who tried to treat her at the hospital weren't aware of her having that disorder, I think, so when they treated her the medication fucked her up due to her lack of potassium (or something like that).&nbsp; And her brain turned to mush.

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<FIELDSET style="WIDTH: 450px"><LEGEND><FONT color=#3175bd size=2><STRONG>QUOTE</STRONG><BR></FONT></LEGEND>If I'm not mistaken, she went into cardiac arrest because of her bulimia.&nbsp; The doctors who tried to treat her at the hospital weren't aware of her having that disorder, I think, so when they treated her the medication fucked her up due to her lack of potassium (or something like that).&nbsp; And her brain turned to mush.<BR><BR>
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<P>Close.&nbsp; She went into cardiac arrest due to a potassium imbalance, which is THEORIZED to be caused by bulimia.&nbsp; When she had the heart attack, the brain was denied oxygen for 5-6 minutes, resulting in the mush.
<P>The doctors were trying to figure out what caused the imbalance, and considering how Terri's weight yo-yo'ed, signs point to bulimia, although it was never confirmed.
<P>I believe the treatment without knowing about the potassium imbalance/bulimia made the situation worse, hence the medical malpractice suit.</P>

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[JimBeam]

<P>Although I don't agree with the courses of action that have taken place I will not ever deny the people the right to try and protect life.</P>
<P>Most of these people, although clearly not all of them, are the same types of people that are out protesting when a 5 time murderer is going to the chair.&nbsp; They simply believe that life should be sustained as long as possible especially if something can be done to promote that.</P>
<P>We may not agree with them but that's their right.</P>
<P>What I don't understand is how people that are pro same-sex marriages aren't branded wackos when they carry on the way they some of them do.</P>
<P>Surely there are some similarities no ?</P>
<P>Aren't there some ridiculous antics from that camp ?</P>
<P>Same for the people PETA people.</P>
<P>And those that protest against corporate greed.</P>
<P>I guess it's all in how you look at it.</P>

I have balls !!!

[angrymissy]

<a href="http://www.earnedmedia.org/tf0214.htm">Family of Terri Schiavo Asks Randall Terry to Lead Efforts to Rescue Her</a>

woooooooooow

Randall Terry is an anti-abortion nutjob who takes pride in stopping access to abortion, and birth control family planning clinics. He has also abandonded his son because he's gay. What a class act.

<a href="http://mediamatters.org/items/200503220001">This guy is nuts...</a>

As The Washington Post reported on February 12, 2000, in his 1995 book The Judgment of God Terry wrote that "homosexuals and lesbians are no longer content to secretly live in sin, but now want to glorify their perversions." In a May 25, 2004, interview about his gay son with The Advocate, Terry stated that homosexuality is a "sexual addiction" that shouldn't be rewarded with "special civil rights."

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[JimBeam]

<P>I was flipping the channels last night and came across Sacrborough Country ( spelling ?? ).</P>
<P>I had seen it before and was in agreement with what he said on the topic at the time, but as it is now with all conservative talk show hosts who have decied to walk in lock step over this issue, he was yammering on about this case.</P>
<P>He had the one doctor who examined her for 42 minutes and he was trying to discredit the guy.</P>
<P>He kept saying " What makes your opinion so valid ? "</P>
<P>The doctor was blasting him on not knowing the facts.</P>
<P>This doctor was really giving it to him.</P>
<P>It was funny.</P>
<P>He basically cut the guy off and was like " Why is he debating me ? Why doesn't he just answer the questions ? "</P>
<P>What a mess.</P>

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[Reephdweller]

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Reef You do know that your going straight to hell for this right? And also me for laughing at it.

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<P>haahah daddy would you like some sausage</P>

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<P>haahah daddy would you like some sausage</P><BR><BR>
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<P>haahah<STRIKE> daddy </STRIKE>Terri would you like some sausage</P>

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[Alice S. Fuzzybutt]

<P>What's the difference between Terri Schiavo and a cell phone?&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</P><BR>
<P>When the cell phone is dead you can plug it in again.</P><BR>
<P>&nbsp;</P><BR>
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[Tenbatsuzen]

<P>Apparently, Subway wants to sign up Terri for their new weight loss plan.</P>
<P>All she had to do was eat a friggin' banana and we wouldn't be here right now.</P>
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[MrPink]

how long has she been kept from food n water? i know its been like a week so shouldnt she be dead yet? if i get like that i want a bullet in my head&nbsp;

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[Tenbatsuzen]

<FIELDSET style="WIDTH: 450px"><LEGEND><FONT color=#3175bd size=2><STRONG>QUOTE</STRONG><BR></FONT></LEGEND>how long has she been kept from food n water? i know its been like a week so shouldnt she be dead yet? if i get like that i want a bullet in my head&nbsp;<BR><BR><BR></FIELDSET>
<P>I believe she's gone 10-11 days without food and water.&nbsp; The doctors say she can go 2 weeks without.&nbsp; &nbsp;But she was a fatty to begin with, so I figure she'll hang in a bit longer.
<P>&nbsp;
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[Snoogans]

today is day 12, this cant really last much longer. shit im ready to pull the plug just so i dont have to hear about it anymore

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[Reephdweller]

<FIELDSET>
<P>List of Schiavo Donors Will Be Sold by Direct-Marketing Firm</P>
<P>The parents of Terri Schiavo have authorized a conservative direct-mailing firm to sell a list of their financial supporters, making it likely that thousands of strangers moved by her plight will receive a steady stream of solicitations from anti-abortion and conservative groups.</P></FIELDSET>
<P>So all the fools who opened their hearts donated because they cared about this story and not the politics will not get a fresh dose of spam from conservative groups. </P>
<P>Great way to teach people to not donate. How absolutely distasteful.</P>
<P>&nbsp;</P>

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<FIELDSET>How absolutely distasteful.</FIELDSET>
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[Snoogans]

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is that stephen king???

i knew something was up, its all just a movie

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[EQ]

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<P>&nbsp;</P>
<P>&nbsp; Stephen King had to get the idea for "Thinner" somewhere, didn't he?</P>
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[FUNKMAN]

<P>on CNN they were just showing a normal brain and what Terri's brain looks like</P>
<P>it looked like the before and after overhead tsunami devastation pictures</P>

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<FIELDSET style="WIDTH: 450px"><LEGEND><FONT color=#3175bd size=2><STRONG>QUOTE</STRONG><BR></FONT></LEGEND>Everyone knows front-pleat khakis make you look fat.<BR><BR><IMG src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v303/Kevin2700/FUZZYcopy.jpg"> <BR><BR>What's the point of being cool if you can't wear a sombrero?<BR><BR><FONT color=black><BR><BR><FONT color=black>This message was edited by Alice S. Fuzzybutt on 3-29-05 @ 9:17 PM</FONT></FIELDSET>
<P>Yeah, but the striped shirt is slimming.
<P>BTW: it's good to see Jesse Jackson finally&nbsp;getting involved.&nbsp; I knew he couldn't stay away from this forever.&nbsp; After Terri dies, he can jet out to LA and offer support to Michael Jackson.</P>

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[Reephdweller]

<P><STRONG>What is the worst part about eating a vegetable? <BR></STRONG><STRONG>Putting Terri Schiavo's diaper back on!</STRONG></P>
<P>&nbsp;</P>
<P><STRONG>What's the difference between Terri Schiavo and Ted Williams? <BR>Ted Williams is in the frozen section.</STRONG></P>

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[SuperClerk]

She just died. (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=578&ncid=578&e=2&u=/nm/20050331/ts_nm/rights_schiavo_dc)

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[HelghastElite]

<P>Whew, glad that's over with.</P>
<P>I mean, really.&nbsp; Longest.&nbsp; Murder.&nbsp; Ever.</P>

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[Tazz]

<P>No one was murdered.</P>
<P>At least she can finally be at peace. </P>
<P>I hope she haunts her&nbsp;mother for being a selfish asshole. </P>

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[EQ]

<P>&nbsp;</P>
<P>Terri Schiavo just passed away. Rest in Peace, T.S.</P>
<P>The news just broke (&nbsp;I don't have a link to put up )</P>
<P>Sadly, more drama with&nbsp;her various family members,&nbsp; lawyers,&nbsp; politicians,&nbsp; protestors&nbsp;and the media is&nbsp;merely starting now.</P>
<P>At least she is going to&nbsp;be even farther away from all of this, now.</P>
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[badorties]

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<P>finally, she's no long the pawn of someone's misguided agenda ... now, all they have is the corpse to fight over ...</P>
<P>i'm just excited that the courts, the administration and congress can get back to daily grind ...</P>
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[HelghastElite]

No one was murdered.

I know you, I know you're a bright guy, and so I know that sarcasm isn't REALLY lost on you.

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[mothershucker]

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<P>Thanks Blackbird, now I'm starvin........</P>

I shucked it, and I shucked it, and I shucked it, i'm quite the mother shucker

[GaryWyze]

<FONT color=purple>The owner of the Palm Beach Improv is saying this is just an April Fool's Day joke. </FONT>

<font color=black>This message was edited by GaryWyze on 3-31-05 @ 11:39 AM</font>

[Iamnotatool]

Wrong thread Gary.

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[GaryWyze]

[color=purple]So, you're saying she didn't over-dose?!?!? I'm so confused!

[SatCam]

thank god thats over

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[Kevin]

I hope she is free now.

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[FUNKMAN]

<FIELDSET><FONT size=1>thank god thats over</FONT><BR></FIELDSET>
<P>probably not yet... let's see how the funeral goes</P>

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[FUNKMAN]

<P>let's just say it was intuition...</P>
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<FIELDSET>Family Feud Continues Over Terri Schiavo </FIELDSET>
<P></P>News Story (http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&amp;u=/ap/20050401/ap_on_re_us/schiavo_6)

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[INFOSTUD]

Does anyone have any links to pictures of her before the coma. She looked sorta hot in a couple of pics that I saw on the news.

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[Tazz]

Not to be picky, but a lot of people think that way, but she was never in a coma.

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[INFOSTUD]

Ok then. Pictures before she went into her vegetative state.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v448/INFOSTUD/infostud.jpg

[FUNKMAN]

<FIELDSET><FONT size=1>Ok then. Pictures before she went into her vegetative state.</FONT><BR></FIELDSET>
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<P>i was watching a Terri Schiavo story yetserday and she had lost 80 pounds and became more attractive. the husband began getting jealous&nbsp;and it was then when he realized she was gonna be a vegetable because now all the guys wanted to squeeze her tomatoes...</P>
<P>i got nuthin again...&nbsp;</P>

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[Iamnotatool]

Here is the first autopsy photo....caution, rough on the eyes (http://uselessjunk.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=1590&mode=nested&order=0&thold=-1)

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