Culture of Death? Fucking A right!!!

[Death Metal Moe]

I keep hearing this buzz phrase from the right wing radio I listen to everyday in regards to people who think you should have the right to die. They are putting it in a bad context, but I think we should embrace it. I am all for people who want to die, just going if they want to. And especially those in pain dying on their own terms, maybe with a little dignity.

It's not wanting to put people who are an inconvience to us out of the picture, it's more about allowing them their choice, and not getting someone's political and religious agenda mixed up in it. I cannot be more opposed to my party on this one.

EMBRACE THE CULTURE OF DEATH!!! NUTURE IT!!! BECOME ONE WITH IT!!!

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This message was edited by Death Metal Moe on 3-22-05 @ 3:14 PM

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The Republican Culture of LIFE!!!!!!!!!*

[size=1]*The republican culture of life does not apply if you are gay, have AIDS, are muslim, are atheist, are not white, or can't afford it.

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[HelghastElite]

Republicans are more afraid that this 'culture of death' is little more than backdoor euthanasia.

Which isn't a totally ludicrous proposition.

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[HBox]

Republicans are more afraid that this 'culture of death' is little more than backdoor euthanasia.

Which isn't a totally ludicrous proposition.


The "Culture of Death" as Moe put it IS euthanasia. There's nothing backdoor about it.

What is wrong with allowing people who have no hope of recovery or do not want to continue living in their condition to end it quickly and painlessly?

To clarify, this is different from the Schiavo situation. This is about people who are conscious or have made their wishes known about their situation clear through a living will or something else official like that.

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[FMJeff]

Religion and politics isn't going anywhere. Neither is corruption and politics. They are bound to one another, b/c politics are people. Unfortunately, laws regarding separation of religion and politics can be easily skirted in this country. For example, the prolonging of Terry's life to fit the Bush/religious politico-conservative pro-life agenda was called a federal re-evaluation of state cases. Of course the judge struck it down. Undermining state courts could destroy the entire legal system. Politicians don't really care about that. To them, law and order are merely roadbacks to attaining thier political goals.

The idea of unnaturally terminating life is anathema to these people. Of course they'll fight it.

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[Death Metal Moe]

OK, I love this. Listening to Laura Inghram tonight, she said that she offered some people on the side of letting Terry die, and just because they didn't come on, she's suggesting that they're scared. How about they don't want to go on your 2 hour show that you've turned into an add for Pro-Life Right Wing propaghanda. Or since this is such a hot topic, maybe they're booked on other shows that compete against you.

I have to turn this off. It's just one guest that is FOR her argument after another. She won't change topics. I usually enjoy her, but that guy she just had on was the topper. He was some Reverend in charge of a Pro-Life organization. Yea, that's gonna forward the discussion on the topic of people's right to die.

I enjoy a spirited discussion, and I usually do get it from some of these shows. But this constant drum beat is horrible. Rush talked about it while I listened during lunch. Sean probably talked about it. Mark Levigne was off, but his stand in host Jackie Mason talked about it for an hour. Now Laura Inghram.

Liberals always accuse these shows of having one unchanging Pro-Bush, pro-Republican message, and 95% of the time or more they're wrong. They take callers that disagree, they have guests on both sides of a subject, or sometimes like with Immigration, the host may disagree with the President. But on this topic they're right. It's one long ad for the Religious Right's agenda, and I am sick of it. I guess I have to wait for this poor woman to die before these shows talk about current events other than her again.

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[Death Metal Moe]

And I love their arguments.

"If a whale was beached, you'd see people all around it trying to save it."

1. The whale, if put back in the water quickly enough, would have the same quality of life.

2. It's funny that some of these hosts who poke fun at Environmentalists who would go save beached whales are using the same group as an example in an argument."

They're turning people off with this.

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[Death Metal Moe]

I hate HATE HATE being told what to think about a subject, and all these assholes are doing is just that. It's not entertaining analysis, it's marching orders.

Let the Culture of Death commence!

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[Death Metal Moe]

The silence since I tured off the radio is golden.

I can think again. I'm not enraged by what's coming out of my usually entertaining stereo.

I may not turn WABC back on for awhile now. And if they're not careful, I may have to rethink turning it on again.

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[Bulldogcakes]

Moe, I think you're about ready to give 93.9FM WNYC/820 AM NPR a try.
You get alot of facts, and make up your own mind.
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[Death Metal Moe]

Moe, I think you're about ready to give 93.9FM WNYC/820 AM NPR a try.
You get alot of facts, and make up your own mind.
Its a beautiful thing.



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I might be, no joke. This one topic has pissed me off so bad, I don't know what to do.

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I've been enjoying a little 820.
I like the little vignettes.
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[wilee]

Just a little devil's advocate here, but at what point do you draw the line? The water gets very muddy when you evaluate recovery of some people. It's one thing if the person is brain-dead, but when they contract something that is [currently] incurable, then OK, let's just end it now?

These kind of laws and discussions are always going to be problematic, because even though Doctor A says the patient will suffer then die, there's always going to be Doctor B that says that they stand a chance of recovery. Then there's always going to be family who want to intervene, and try to tie the thing up in court for who-knows how long...


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[TheMojoPin]

Maybe with further stem cell research....oh, right...

Well, since she doesn't have a cerebral cortex, perhaps in the near future doctors can clone her a new...no, wait, that's not OK either...

Hmmmmm. It's funny that the people who most want to keep her "alive" really hate the fuck out of the various forms of science that have a legitimate chance of improving her situation and actually want to make them illegal.



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[Knowledged_one]

I would rather embrace the culture of death then the pussification of America.

Kids now a days are nothing but sissies, helmets and arm pads when biking pssshaw never in my day

Or no dodgeball because it teaches kids to pick out the weaker kids.

These are just examples of what has now led us to the culture of fearing death and extending life no matter the poor quality of life the person who is the one in pain has to deal with. And i also find it funny that not even on the question of death can we have non-partisan politics because the dumbocrats would rather go against bush then work with him for these people. Dumbocrats just dont get it

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[TheMojoPin]

These are just examples of what has now led us to the culture of fearing death and extending life no matter the poor quality of life the person who is the one in pain has to deal with. And i also find it funny that not even on the question of death can we have non-partisan politics because the dumbocrats would rather go against bush then work with him for these people. Dumbocrats just dont get it

That makes zero sense.

It is, for the most part, "right-wingers," not Democrats, who are trying to keep this woman alive despite her condition...the thing you're complaining about above, right?

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[HelghastElite]

Republicans are more afraid that this 'culture of death' is little more than backdoor euthanasia.

Which isn't a totally ludicrous proposition.


[font=Century gothic][color=navy][size=2]The "Culture of Death" as Moe put it IS euthanasia. There's nothing backdoor about it.

(A) What is wrong with allowing people who have no hope of recovery or (B) do not want to continue living in their condition to end it quickly and painlessly?


To part B - nothing wrong with it. The issue in the Schiavo case, however - or at least, what WAS the issue before the politicians got involved and everything went to hell - was whether she truly wanted to die (as there is no documented evidence that she did, i.e. no living will, other than her husband's testimony, which many people find problematic).

To part A - absolutely everything wrong with it.

If YOU, as an individual, decide that if you are in that decision you do not wish to be kept alive, then that's fine. But no one else, NO ONE ELSE, least of all an entity such as the government, should make that decision for you. The only exception should be if YOU have specifically given someone (and by that I mean an identifiable party, i.e. my parents, my spouse, my child, etc.) the legal authority to make such a decision in the case of your incapacitation.....but such an arrangement would essentially be the same as a living will.

If you're coming from the perspective that *individuals* should have the right to decide when they die, then I stand with you.

If you're arguing in favor of state-sponsored euthanasia, then I don't. I find such a policy abominable.

EDIT: Forgot to include this - I'm actually not in accord with "quickly and painlessly". As harsh as it may be, I'm more in accordance with a natural death - even if that death is something as painful as starvation - rather than putting someone down like an animal.

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[TheMojoPin]

If we as a nation are going to decide that the purposeful death of another person decided by someone else, no matter what the reason, is somehow against the law, then still having state sponsored execution is the highest form of hypocrisy.

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[HBox]

But no one else, NO ONE ELSE, least of all an entity such as the government, should make that decision for you. The only exception should be if YOU have specifically given someone (and by that I mean an identifiable party, i.e. my parents, my spouse, my child, etc.) the legal authority to make such a decision in the case of your incapacitation.....but such an arrangement would essentially be the same as a living will.

I suppose that's reasonable. I still think it's appropriate to allow the spouse to make the decision. I asked both my parents and they both trust each other to make the right decision in accordance with their own wishes. I don't think we should be sentencing people to live in that state when they didn't want to only because they didn't fill out a living will or something similar.

If you're arguing in favor of state-sponsored euthanasia, then I don't. I find such a policy abominable.

EDIT: Forgot to include this - I'm actually not in accord with "quickly and painlessly". As harsh as it may be, I'm more in accordance with a natural death - even if that death is something as painful as starvation - rather than putting someone down like an animal.

I'm guessing you mean by this that you draw the line in having the law allow doctors to assist patients in ending their life. I really disagree here. I don't think there's anything wrong, morally or otherwise, in allowing someone who is suffering from a terminal disease, or someone who is brain dead and has made it clear they did not want to live that way, to end their suffering quickly and painlessly. They've suffered enough. I think it's just cruel to make them continue to suffer for any length if they don't want to.

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[Bulldogcakes]

Republican support the Death Penalty, and every War imaginable. But are against Euthanasia and Abortion. So they support violently killing people and intentionally killing people. But are against humanely ending suffering and avoiding unwanted children.

Democrats are for Abortion, Euthanasia/ against the Death Penalty and War in most cases.So they are for killing people who become inconvenient to them. But against killing those that threaten them.

Pick your culture of death.


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[HelghastElite]

Cake or death?

I choose death.

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[A.J.]

I embrace the culture of death.

I'm pro-choice, pro-death penalty, pro-euthanasia.

Ease the pain and thin the herd.

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[PapaBear]

I embrace the culture of death.

I'm pro-choice, pro-death penalty, pro-euthanasia.

Ease the pain and thin the herd.
I'm all for "thin the heard". Yes... I mean "heard", not "herd". Thin the herd of the sheep that hear, and blindly follow self(RIGHT)ous propoganda.

In my local paper yesterday, they had a photo of a girl that was on the side of leaving the tube in... They called her (in the caption) "a Schiavo supporter". This is an obvious example of the right wing press, saying "with us or against us"! They might as well of said her husband doesn't want to do what's best for her... he wants to exterminater her.

Ron was almost right the other day, when he said there is no "bad side" in this issue. There is a bad side. It's the side that is exploiting this issue.

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[HelghastElite]

Ron was almost right the other day, when he said there is no "bad side" in this issue.

I disagree with you - Ron IS right here.

If you want to talk about how this has been politicized, that's a different issue, but as far as the actual adverse parties here - Terry's parents and Michael Schiavo - neither party is truly in the wrong. Both sides care for and love their daughter / spouse immensely and are doing everything they think is necessary for her.

And there isn't even a "bad" side to be on in terms of your opinion on this issue. TMost of those who want to see her continue to live are doing so because they have serious beliefs about the sanctity of life; those who want to allow nature to take its course are doing so because they want to see an end to her suffering. The only despicable actions going on are those who are trying to portray one side as "murderers" - and those people are not so much the conservative politicians as they are right-wing blowhards like Sean Hannity (who shouldn't be considered the definitive representative of conservatives any more so than someone like Al Franken or Michael Moore should be for liberals).

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[Death Metal Moe]

I'm glad to see my thread started a little intellectual discussion. And you guys kept it to the topic. It's more about how the media is using this than the actual story. There's a thread for that, and I wanted this one to be different. It's own topic all together.


I really liked this line from HelghastElite:


like Sean Hannity (who shouldn't be considered the definitive representative of conservatives any more so than someone like Al Franken or Michael Moore should be for liberals).


I guess I really didn't see that until this thread. I had always thought Sean and most of the other hosts on 77AM here in NYC were fairly even tempered, tried to bring in both sides while still staying true to their conservative leanings. But this single topic will make me wonder for the rest of my life now. It's really that big a deal in my mind.

These hosts are using their reach to try to color the opinions of thousands of listeners instead of reporting the news with entertaining commentary like they usually do. The shows recenlty WILL NOT GET OFF THE TOPIC OF TERRI SCHIAVO!!! And it's all the same Religious bullshit.

But I think the biggest reason I am so pissed off at the media is because I always defend these guys. I only do this because I honestly feel the way I do. I feel that they are usually generally fair while keeping it conservative. I've even heard most of them disagree with with Republicans and the president, like on certian immigration issues. But on THIS topic, they are guilty of EVERY ACCUSATION that most Liberal people on this messageboard accuse shows like Rush and Hannity of. I feel so betrayed by them. All of a sudden they turned their shows into 3 hour Religious Right Infomercials.

A FUCKING SCHOOL SHOOTING JUST HAPPEND AND YOU STAY ON THIS STORY???

Fuck you. I haven't turned that station on for a couple days now and I don't miss it. WHY would I want to listen to wall to wall Terri coverage? Fuck you!!!!! Waste my Goddamn valuable time?? Suck my ball sweat.

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[wilee]

Of course the media is still "front-paging" Schiavo. The old addage, "If it bleeds, it leads" continues to ring true... When JFK Jr.'s plane crashed, there were days of coverage, and all they did was show pictures of boats out on the water "searching", while they had political commentators and friends/acquaintances of JFK Jr. talk over the footage about him and his life and that they hope they find them OK. Every other story that week got 1-2 minutes of coverage every 2 hours.

The world didn't stop because JohnJohn crashed his plane, yet to watch the news, you'd think it did. There are other stories that ran along the same lines, but then there are few that deserved intense, continuous coverage, such as 9/11. I'm not panning JFK Jr., but using the instance to point out how the media will center on one story and preclude others for various reasons.

As far as I'm concerned, if the woman had no living will, it should be up to her closest living kin to decide. Whether you consider that to be her husband or parents, I don't know, I'd probably defer to the husband. Laws can be changed, and every so often, something draws attention to the current laws that prompts a short-but-fierce media blitz on the sides that want the law as-is, and the ones looking to change it.

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[HelghastElite]

Fuck you. I haven't turned that station on for a couple days now and I don't miss it. WHY would I want to listen to wall to wall Terri coverage? Fuck you!!!!! Waste my Goddamn valuable time?? Suck my ball sweat.


Which individuals are you talking about?

I haven't listened to many over this past week - largely because I don't listen to those shows anyway. A FEW have been fair. To my surprise, Bill O'Reilly has been one of them, which should sound warning bells.

Sean Hannity has been the worst that I've heard, IMO, because he seems to be the one who's focusing quite extensively on all of the unsubstantiated (not to mention ridiculously unfair and possibly slanderous) accusations of spousal abuse on Terry by Michael Schiavo.

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