NBA Playoffs 2005

[El Mudo]

<p>I didnt see a thread on here, so what the heck...</p><p>My Wizz go tonight against the Bulls in Game 5...yikes...nobody in that series can win a home game...</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>And is it just me, or does Ben Gordon look a lot like Stringer Bell?</p>

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<p>&nbsp;</p><p>And is it just me, or does Ben Gordon look a lot like Stringer Bell?</p><p><br /><img height="252" src="http://www.cardtarget.com/card_images/1614front.gif" width="180" border="0" />&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <img height="203" src="http://www.nybct.com/2-171-stringer.jpg" width="201" border="0" /></p><p>Naw the only thing they have in common is that they are black and wear goatee's</p>

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[El Mudo]

<p>I think they look very similar....</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Someone call Bubbles...I think Ben Gordon is up in the Game...</p>

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I can't believe the Wiz are up 3-2. Unfreakin' believable!!!

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[El Mudo]

<p>I'm actually kinda pissed they still won't play D...</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>How the F do you have a 10 point lead with 40 to go and blow it?</p>

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[Fallon]

The Celts really need to start off good tonight. All of their loses have been fucking terrible.<br />


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[HBox]

<p>WHAT ARE YOU DOING PAUL PIERCE!!?!?!?!</p><p>For
those not watching, Celtics are up by 1 with 12 seconds, and inbounding
the ball. They get the ball to Paul Pierce, and he is fouled. The guy
fouling him MIGHT have grazed his face. Pierce responds by shoving him
to the ground. STUPID STUPID STUPID! He picks up a technical, which
means the Pacers get a free throw, which ties the game. But to compound
that, Pierce already has a technical, so he's ejected! And the Pacers
now get to pick whoever they want to shoot the free throws. They pick
Kendrick Perkins, who's hardly played and predictably, misses BOTH FREE
THROWS! The Celts were able to stop the Pacers from scoring on the next
possesion, but they're going to overtime and will play without Pierce.
Very very stupid by Paul Pierce.<br />
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[HBox]

<font size="2" face="Century Gothic">The Celtics really
sucked it up and played well in overtime. Paul Pierce is a very lucky
and stupid man. I think Kendrick Perkins should have the right to kick
his ass.</font><br />

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[El Mudo]

<p>Well its been a while...My Bullets really didn't have the talent to advance that far in the play offs....they really need a defensive stopper, but theyve got to pay Larry Hughes and are probably going to lose Terps Legend Juan Dixon as a result....id like to see what they can get in a Kwame Brown sign-and-trade....</p><p>In any case, no one is going to beat the Spurs, IMO...they are incredible...and what makes them so incredible is that they can adapt to any style you want to play them, they can run(with Parker and Ginobli), they can play half-court, theyve got a ton of guys that can kill you with threes, like Glenn Robinson, and Brent Barry, and theyve got the greatest clutch-shooter of all time, Robert Horry, who played incredibly last night.....</p><p>And speaking of last night, how about that UNBELIEVEABLE shot by Ginobli? the behind-the-back one in the fourth quarter? I think that's got to go very high in the pantheon of all time great shots, right up there with Magic's hook shot against the Celtics, or Jordan's shot over Ehlo or Terps Legend Drew Nicholas' shot against UNC Wilimington in the NCAA Tournament....</p><p>That series is over...San Antonio never loses at home...i think they only lost there 3 times during the whole regular season</p>

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i just wanted to add, and i mean this as no offense to you el mudo, but if you look at the time between postings on this thread it seems nobody gives a shit about basketball. why? if i happen to pass it (i usually don't pass a cable powerhouse like TNT when i'm flipping around) and it's in the last 2 minutes of the game ill watch. as far as i'm concerend they should start every game at 90 and 2 minutes on the clock.

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[El Mudo]

<p>Well, as Bill Simmons, the Sports Guy says, there's only 15 people left in the entire world who care about the NBA, and I guess I'm one of em...</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Better enjoy it while you can, cause this is going to be the last basketball season for a while, the CBA is up pretty soon, and its gonna be lockout city....And the NFL could be headed that way too...</p>

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[El Mudo]

<p>Spurs closed out the Suns tonight...</p><p>The result doesn't look like it, but that was one tough series, and a lot of fun to watch...That kid Stoudemire is a stud...once he polishes his game and learns he can't keep driving right at Tim Duncan...look out....</p><p>Couldn't work out any better now for the Spurs...they get a week to rest Duncan's ankles, and watch Detroit and Miami beat the living hell out of each other...</p>

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[Bama]

<p>Spurs - Pistons might possibly be the most boring matchup in the
history of basketball. Unfortunately it's probably gonna happen.<br />
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[Snoogans]

<p>dont feel bad Bama, cause my boy Dwyane Wade is gonna tear some shit up tonight.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>He is the best player in the league right now&nbsp;</p>

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[El Mudo]

<p>I like how Barkley figured him out...&quot;if he goes left he's gonna go to the basket...if he goes right, he's gonna shoot the jumper&quot;..</p><p>Its pretty amazing the numbers he's putting up....and the guy doesn't even shoot threes...</p><p>But I gotta go with Amare being better at this point....</p>

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[Snoogans]

<p>i only go with Wade being better on 2 things. One, without shaq,
they still made the Conf Finals last year, when wade was a rookie. Man
they shoulda kept my boy Skip (Rafer Alston)</p><p>also, when wade
plays big games, he usually carries his team to a victory, and score
like 8 of his 4th quarter points in the last couple mins.</p><p>&nbsp;As
evidenced by last night, Amare just has big games, but doesnt lead his
team to win. Also, i dont think Amare is even the best player on his
team. He may have the most talent, and the best scoring presence, but
he has alot more game to polish, and he looks twice as good cause Nash
makes him look that good.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Kinda like how Kidd made Martin look good, even though we now know he sucks without that great PG. </p><p>Wade
played well as a rookie without shaq and led his team, and now with
shaq playin like a sissy girl, he is still leading his team&nbsp;</p>

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[Snoogans]

yea, not only that, but did you catch the PC's after. Amare and Duncan
and even Nash somewhat were just collectively suckin each other off, it
made me sick. BE ANGRY, dont talk about how hot tim dunacn's ass looked
at halftime<br />


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[Snoogans]

that made me laugh so hard it hurt my stomach<br />


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[Snoogans]

wade just got hurt, holding his back.side and walkin gingerly, he got freight trained twice by Sheed<br />


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[HBox]

Yeah, I think we are one more bad call away from the return of Crazy Sheed&trade;.<br />


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[Snoogans]

wade leaves and they cut the lead in half, goddamn miami is fucked. it
looks, the way they are playin, like wade is more important that shaq.
DEFINATELY the best player in the league right now that isnt having sex
with Nash and Amare Stoudmire<br />


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[Snoogans]

oh good, now eddie jones is hurt. what a bunch of pussies<br />


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[HBox]

A rib and back injury for Wade. Great news, those kinds of injuries never linger........<br />


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[Snoogans]

he is lucky this isnt last week regular season. at least they might be
able to sneak by Det with him hurtin, and i dont know if they were
gonna be Ass Man in the finals anyway<br />


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[Snoogans]

these playoffs have been the worst officiated ive ever seen. 1 minute
they are callin you for breathin on a guy, the next minute i think im
watchin hockey again<br />


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[HBox]

<p>I wish this was in Philly. They'd be booing this shit into Jersey.</p>

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[El Mudo]

<p>Great..</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>I go to sleep...Manu finally shows up..</p>

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[Bama]

Tim Duncan might be the best player to ever play basketball. He'll never get the credit for it though because he's so boring. <br />


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[Snoogans]

easy big guy, Duncan is probably the best player in the league, but
best ever, you gotta be high. Remember the tallest guy guarding him is
like 6'9, Det has no real big center. Duncan is a great player, and may
one day be an all time great, but he is no where near the best player
to ever play<br />


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[El Mudo]

<p>I don't agree he's the best player ever, but I do agree with Bill Simmons about Duncan being the GOAT in terms of Power Forwards all-time....</p><p>Except for free throws, there's nothing he can't do...I think he even made a couple of 3's during the year</p>

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[El Mudo]

<p>&nbsp;<font size="1">easy big guy, Duncan is probably the best player in the league, but best ever, you gotta be high. Remember the tallest guy guarding him is like 6'9, Det has no real big center. Duncan is a great player, and may one day be an all time great, but he is no where near the best player to ever play</font><br />&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>'Sheed is 6'11 </p>

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<p>he is 6'10 maybe, he aint no 6'11, i dont care what they list him at, he was never listed over 6'10 till he went to Det</p><p>&nbsp;</p>

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[Bama]

Somebody want to explain to me why they have to take so damn long to do
this thing. Is there a day off after every game? I want my sportcenter
back. I want the trifecta to die a horrible death. <br />


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[El Mudo]

<p>It sucks really...they're playing a game...having two off days...and then the next game...</p><p>Ugh...so instead of putting the game on Saturday at 9 when a lot more people would watch, they're going to put it on Sunday at 9, against a lot of stuff people would rather watch, and when a lot of people have to go to work Monday..</p><p>Its ridiculous...</p>

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[Snoogans]

<p>ill be watching entourage at 9, and asleep before the end of the game</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>dumbass fuckin NBA&nbsp;</p>

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[El Mudo]

<p>I remember they used to do that in the 1st Round...</p><p>Thank God they stopped that...</p>

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[Bama]

Phil's back in LA so that is basically all the coverage we're gonna get for the rest of the finals. <br />


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[ChickenHawk]

I can't wait to see Phil have a disasterous year with the Lakers. It's about time he picked up a failing team instead of jumping on board a pre-constructed championship team.
We'll see how good a coach he acutally is now...<br>...assuming LA doesn't sign Shaq, LeBron, Garnett, and Michael Jordan from 1993 between now and next season.<br><br>
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[Knowledged_one]

<p>Tim Duncan is good but he hasn't been around that long to consider him the greatest.&nbsp; It's hard to even call him the best at his position right now - because you can argue KG, Duncan, or Dirk (even though he plays little D) as the best PF in the league right now.</p><p>But best PF - Kevin McHale was better (who do you think taught KG his low post game), Barkley was better, Karl Malone was better and these are just guys of my generation</p><p>Duncan is good but not the best - Tim Duncan is the best underrated player of all time that i will give you</p>

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[Bama]

You guys are missing the point. He's still got like 10 years to play.
Even if he were the best right now though nobody would recognize it.
Because he's boring. No kid pretends to be &quot;the big fundamental&quot; in
their driveway.<br />


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[Snoogans]

that has nothing to do with anything. I love watching Tim Duncan play.
A big turn off of the new NBA is the lack of fundamentals and the
simple skills such as a bounce pass. its fuckin sad, and duncan is a
great bright light. but guess what, he still isnt close to the best
player ever, boring or not<br />


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[El Mudo]

<p>&nbsp;<font size="1">I can't wait to see Phil have a disasterous year with the Lakers. It's about time he picked up a failing team instead of jumping on board a pre-constructed championship team. We'll see how good a coach he acutally is now...<br />...assuming LA doesn't sign Shaq, LeBron, Garnett, and Michael Jordan from 1993 between now and next season.</font><br />&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Why does everyone wanna find some fault with Phil? Remember, none of those guys like Jordan or Pippen etc&nbsp;won titles before Phil coached them, or after Phil coached them...</p>

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<p>well thats tricky Mudo. Doug collins was the coach when the bulls
first made the playoffs that year that Jordan hurt his ankle and missed
alot of the regular season.</p><p>When jordan came back, Krause or
reinsdorf told Collins not to let jordan play more then like 20 minutes
a game, so they would lose and get a lottery pick. collins played
jordan, then made the playoffs, and phil jackson replaced collins
because of it&nbsp;</p>

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[El Mudo]

<p>I think this lockout coming up is going to be really ugly...</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>The problem, however, is that the opposing sides do not even agree on how many items are still in dispute.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2087057">http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2087057</a></p><img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v53/monster6sixty6/guests/elm_sig.gif" border="0" /> <strong>....We haven't seen the sun since '71</strong>Thanks Monsterone!!

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[El Mudo]

<p>Wow...tonight's game was great...</p><p>And for the record...Robert Horry is THE GREATEST clutch shooter in NBA history...</p>

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[ChickenHawk]

Robert Horry is ridiculous... He's made a career out of doing this kind of shit. For 11 years, he's been hitting the big 3 pointers to win championships. Insane.

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<p>Horry bailed Duncan's ass out BIG TIME</p><p>learn how to hit a freethrow in clutchtime motherfucker...&nbsp; game should've never went to OT</p>

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[El Mudo]

<p>Well, Free Throws have always been the hole in Duncan's game...but he really should've hit that tip in at the end of regulation...thats what he's got to be kicking himself about...</p><p>'Sheed is the one who's got to be the goat this morning for letting Horry get open in OT when he went to double Ginobili</p><p>If i could pick&nbsp;a basketball team of players from the last 50 years, and I could have any one on it, I'm picking Horry first, just so I don't have to play against him...</p>

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<p>Bill Simmons wrote a great column on Horry to-day</p><p><a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/050620">http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/050620</a></p>

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<p><font size="0" face="verdana" color="black">And for the record...Robert Horry is THE GREATEST clutch shooter in NBA history...</font></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>at
best, he is second. take it from a Knicks fan, its Reggie Miller. Then
its either Horry or Jordan, who hit alot of the shots he took, and
still knew enough to not force it. thats a big part of the final shot,
knowing when you cant take it.&nbsp;</p>

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<p>to back up Mudo a little, i think this part of that Simmons article sums it up best for those who wont read it:</p><p></p>
<p>In a league loaded with guys who believe they're better than they
actually are, Horry understands his own strengths and limitations
better than anyone. That's what makes him so great. And that's why I
like the poker analogy for him. He's the guy sitting at the table with
a towering stack of chips, the guy who never chases a bad hand, the guy
who makes your heart pound when he's staring you down. You never
remember the hands he lost, but you always remember the ones he won.
And when he finally cashes out and gets up from the table, you hope you
never have to see him again. </p>
<p>Does that make him a Hall
of Famer some day? Before this spring, I would have said no &hellip; and then
Steve Nash won the MVP. Now I'm prepared for anything. But you know
where I stand. Instead of making Horry's case in full, I'm telling you
a story that hasn't even happened yet. Maybe it will be this summer,
maybe next summer, maybe 15 years from now. But when ESPN Classic shows
Game 5 of the 2005 Finals some day and I'm calling my buddy House just
to tell him, &quot;Turn on Classic, they're showing the Robert Horry Game,&quot;
I can pretty much guarantee his response: </p>
<p>&quot;Which one?&quot; </p>
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[Bama]

<p>You can't let anybody be the greatest can you?</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Also for the record. If it involves basketball Michael Jordan is second to Reggie Miller in nothing. &nbsp;</p>

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[Snoogans]

<p>then you have never watched knicks games. look, im not tryin to shit
on Horry or Mudo, i just backed them both up, but if i need a last
second shot, im giving the ball to reggie miller. if i need to win a
game, im giving the ball to michael jordan.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p>

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[Snoogans]

<p>and yea, i can let people be the greatest...when they are. Tim
Duncan isnt even close, he isnt even the best player at his position
all time. Horry is the GREATEST role player in NBA history, ill give
him that, but still, its gotta be reggie for one big shot. </p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>reggie for one big shot, Michael is the best basketball player ever</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>and
for one more greatest, Barry Sanders is the greatest RB in NFL history,
dont even try to say he isnt, cause you are crazy. its not walter, its
not jim brown, its not eric dickerson (which i know wadd's dumbass
would say)....its fuckin BARRY<br />
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[ChickenHawk]

I'd say Horry over Reggie, even considering what Reggie's done to the Knicks, for one reason... Every year Horry's done it, it's been in the Finals. Whether it was killing the Knicks in '94 on the Rockets, or the year after that, or his 3 years in LA, or this year... It's always in the biggest game of the year, not the 1st or 2nd round of the Playoffs. Reggie's one time in the Finals, he shit the bed. As far as pure CLUTCH, I put Horry right up there with Jordan.

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[Snoogans]

<p>yea but here is the thing, for awhile, reggie was the only great
player in indy. horry was on the rockets with kenny smith and hakeem
and a few other good players, and then the lakers</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>he
was there every year cause the other guys on the team. reggie still did
it every year, they just didnt really make the finals, his were all
eastern conf playoff moments&nbsp;</p>

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[FUNKMAN]

<p>Best Shooting Performance The Game Has Seen</p><p>Bernard King</p><p></p><p>He almost single-handely led the Knicks to a 3-2 first round series win over the Detroit Pistons as he posted over 40 points in four games and 36 in the other. King averaged 34.8 ppg in the entire 1984 NBA Playoffs, before losing in the Eastern Conference Semifinals to the Boston Celtics in seven games. </p><p></p><p>reason being is Bernard never relied on a pick, head fake, fade away or double pump. he waited for you to get in his face and then he would take his shot....&nbsp; </p>

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[ChickenHawk]

Yeah, but I didn't say Horry was a better player than Reggie, I just said he's proven to be more clutch in bigger spots. Horry may have gotten to those big spots with help from others, while Reggie was the guy carrying the team. But it's a question of clutchitude.

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[Bama]

<p>The first four games were unwatchable. The last two - really good. </p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>I can' t believe there hasn't been a game 7 in 11 years. Should be interesting. &nbsp;</p>

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[ChickenHawk]

And we know how that last Game 7 went....<br><br>::shudder::

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<p>Ginobli's ball handling at the end pretty much did them in... at least 3 turnovers at the end of the game</p><p>plus foul shooting again by Duncan was poor</p>

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[El Mudo]

<p>Simmons made another interesting point to-day</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><font style="font-size: 9px" face="Verdana">quote: </font>Sure, the purists appreciate the defensive rotations, the way Detroit protects the rim, how Bowen fights through screens and everything else. But we're headed in a dangerous direction and have been for 3-4 years now &ndash; at the highest level, the good defenses are <em>too</em> good, and smart teams (like the Pistons and Spurs) have figured out how to use bumping/bodying/clutching/grabbing to their advantage. So that puts the game in the hands of the referees, the vast majority of whom range from &quot;mediocre&quot; to &quot;impossibly incompetent.&quot; Other than the Phoenix games, this entire playoffs has been one long continuous foul/non-foul followed by someone complaining about what was/wasn't called. What's fun about that?&nbsp;&nbsp; <p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>This sounds EXACTLY like what happened to the NHL in the late 90s, when people (who should burn in hell) invented the Trap and the Left Wing Lock...and killed speed and offence in the game...</p><p>At least theyre not going to lockout...</p><img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v53/monster6sixty6/guests/elm_sig.gif" border="0" /> <strong>....We haven't seen the sun since '71</strong>Thanks Monsterone!!

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[Snoogans]

if Duncan was the best player, this series would be over. PERIOD, so lay off on the GOAT talk bama<br />


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[Bama]

<p>They are showing some John Starks (post game 7 loss) interview on
Outside the lines. I can't even believe how long ago that was. How many
people on this board remember when the Knicks were good?</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>They used to make the playoffs and everything. &nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Also Snoogans once again. MJ = GOAT, I said Duncan could be the greatest and nobody would care. &nbsp;</p>

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[ChickenHawk]

Wow, they're really pushing this Game 7 like it's the biggest event in the history of sports... The NBA must really need money. Back in the day (1994), NBA Game 7's sold themselves.

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Bama... That Game 7 was the worst night ever. I cried... Granted I was 10... but I fuckin' cried.

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[Bama]

<p>San Antonio Spurs........ 2005 NBA CHAMPS</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>YAWN&nbsp;</p>

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[El Mudo]

<p>Yeah the game was pretty anti-climactic...most Game 7s are...i spent most of it playing Texas Hold Em on my laptop Charlene...</p><p>Well, at least I can be happy knowing former Maryland Terrapin Tony Massenburg has a ring...</p>

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[Bama]

As does former Crimson Tide standout Robert Horry. But Antonio McDyess didn't so that stinks.<br />


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