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JustJon

05-10-2005, 10:21 AM

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walking joint

05-10-2005, 10:23 AM

actually have a point of discussion. good luck with that hth

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hatetreehighway

05-10-2005, 10:55 AM

does raven have the best mic skills of all time?name your top five of all time...does that make you happy limping joint............ 

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walking joint

05-10-2005, 10:58 AM

not really...but i'll give a fewDouglas, Dudleys (mainly Gertner though), Flair, Rock

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Knowledged_one

05-10-2005, 10:59 AM

1.  Shawn Micheals2.  Razor Ramon/Diesel in the old WWF days3.  Ric Flair4.  Joel Gertner on behalf of the Dudley Boyz5.  The RockNot saying that all these guys are better but definetly on par with Raven, HHH could also be included

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walking joint

05-10-2005, 11:03 AM

HHH could also be includedi was with you all the way up to that line.  HHH is such a bore on the mic.  the same thing over and over.  i used to enjoy Edge and Christian back when they were a team.  they always had something funny to say...followed by a 5 second pose.

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Knowledged_one

05-10-2005, 11:13 AM

That was the conundrum i faced.  When HHH was with D-X they put out great and i mean great interviews.  Go back if you can find it and replay the night on RAW when HHH and D-X dressed like the Nation of Domination:1.  HHH as the Rock (best imitation ever)2.  Jason Sensation as Owen Hart3.  Road Dogg as B-Lo (aka D-Lo)4.  Billy Gunn as The Godfather and5. Chyna as well i cant remember who she wasSuffice it to say Face HHH gave great interviews and even before he was superpower HHH who never lost he gave great interviews (the whole Test/Steph/HHH fiasco)Now i can see why i get heat but remember back when HHH was fun to root for and gave good interviews in your heart of hearts you know i am right

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walking joint

05-10-2005, 11:23 AM

i do remember that skit and it was funny, but it just seems so long ago at this point.  i know what you mean, but that HHH is dead to me.  the current day HHH sucks ass.

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hatetreehighway

05-10-2005, 12:04 PM

mic skills not skits.....................only one i would put up there with raven would be flair jerico. how could you make a list and not put raven on the list.oh i forgot the franchise.................................... come on joint be real and give me your top five with mic skills.and there is no way you can keep raven off that.give me yours and ill give ya mine. putting road dogg-razor come onn now...... 

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walking joint

05-10-2005, 12:13 PM

i gave you 4(Douglas/Dudleys and Gertner/Rock/Flair) and the other would be Raven. 

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LongIslandRob

05-10-2005, 12:58 PM

How can one leave out the Hulkster!!!

Trust me, it won't hurt.

hatetreehighway

05-10-2005, 01:00 PM

so you put all of them above raven. flair is the only one i give you.come on the dudleys. your kidding right... 1.raven2.jerico3.hbk4.douglas5. piper 
  the rowdy one on even playing field with raven.   

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LongIslandRob

05-10-2005, 01:03 PM

I gotta disagree with the Raven pick.  He's about as fun to listen to as Dean Malenko.

Trust me, it won't hurt.

walking joint

05-10-2005, 01:20 PM

come on the dudleys. your kidding right...the Dudleys in ECW were awesome on the mic.  beginning with Gertner and then they would run down the crowd.  WWE never let them do that type of promo.  they were great.  oh, I can't believe I forgot him, but Mick Foley is probably my favorite one.  his intense mic work is so good.

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Evilpete

05-10-2005, 01:31 PM

my fiveflair (watch his DVD to see true greatness)y2j (my fave moment with Jericho was his debeut to interrupt the Rock)piper in the '80s (Piper's pit...'nuf said)Heenan (best color announcer/manager EVER...het got a lot of dead weight over in the '80s)Rock and Sock (OK 2, but they had GREAT chemestry together)

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Heavy

05-10-2005, 03:59 PM

does raven have the best mic skills of all time?First time HTH has EVER used a question mark at the end of a question.  So the shift key IS functional over there......Try using it to capitalize a letter every now and again.(I'm just fucking with ya HTH, you know you the man.)Anyway, all I know of Raven is those boring promos from WCW in which he'd sit in a corner and act disturbed.  I found him very uninteresting and boring.  People I think are better with a mic include:Hogan, Hall, Nash, Flair, Cena, Rock, Road Dogg, Austin, all the McMahons including Linda, Buff Bagwell, Scott Stiener, Foley, Leaping Lanny, Piper, Dusty Rhodes, Hurricane,  Adrian Adonis, Bruiser Brody,  Andre The Giant, Brian Pillman, Rick Rude, Junkyard Dog, Yokozuna, Iron Shiek, Crash Holly, Hercules Hernandez and The Big Boss man. 

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Heavy

05-10-2005, 04:54 PM

Oh yeah, and Mr Perfect

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hatetreehighway

05-11-2005, 08:51 AM

wadd your kidding with that list right.. HOGAN...BROTHA.CAN'T EVEN listen to you bad mouth ravens mic skills with that list..joint i give ya foley... but raven has to be up there to...... did you see wadds list.. COME ONN NOW !

Kevin

05-11-2005, 09:05 AM

I always found Raven an absolute Bor. Especially his depressed gimmick And also that awful gimmick in wcw when he was found to have a rich family and all of that. God was that just awful. Oh and i forgot Johnny Polo or what ever that stupid gimmick was.

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hatetreehighway

05-11-2005, 09:29 AM

big kev give me your list. where is ronfezmark when i need em.waiting on your response joint.wadd nice list ! 

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walking joint

05-11-2005, 09:34 AM

probably not my top 5....i really liked the character in ECW, but I have to put these 5 above him:Foley, Douglas, Flair, Rock and the Dudleys with Gertner.  if you didn't see them in ECW you missed out.  

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05-11-2005, 10:01 AM

quote: big kev give me your list. where is ronfezmark when i need em. My list would beFlairRockFoleyDouglas HBK

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hatetreehighway

05-11-2005, 10:04 AM

for straight up off the top of the head mic skills come on now.i give ya flair-foley. AND shane douglass is the man. 
the rock come on now..... rock is better then raven..... PLEASE..... 
 wadd was kidding with that list RIGHT .... dudleys just as good as tazz, credible dreamer, sandman.then they sucked.... be a little original big kev.... PICK SOMEONE NO ONE ELSE HAS PICKED. 
WHERE ARE YOU RONFEZMARK HELP ME WITH THESE GUYS..... 





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Kevin

05-11-2005, 10:13 AM

quote: for straight up off the top of the head Mic skills come on now.i give ya flair-Foley. AND Shane douglass is the man. the rock come on now..... rock is better then raven..... PLEASE.....  wadd was kidding with that list RIGHT .... dudleys just as good as tazz, credible dreamer, sandman.then they sucked.... be a little original big kev.... PICK SOMEONE NO ONE ELSE HAS PICKED. WHERE ARE YOU RONFEZMARK HELP ME WITH THESE GUYS..... This message was edited by hatetreehighway on 5-11-05 @ 2:10 PM Its not being un original Dude. I Just think they all were better then he was. How can you even put Raven with Rock. Rock had some of the most creative and exciting moments in the history of the fed. I'm sorry dude I'm not bashing your Raven pick. I just don't like him.Its not being un original Dude. I Just think they all were better then he was. How can you even put Raven with Rock. Rock had some of the most creative and exciting moments in the history of the fed. I'm sorry dude I'm not bashing your Raven pick. I just don't like him.

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hatetreehighway

05-11-2005, 10:23 AM

YO YO i hate the rock.. but pop from the crowd doesnt mean better. i rspect what he brings to the table .but if they gave raven some kinda of push like they did the rock.everybody would love raven to. anyone shoved down our throughts as fans become  like freakin zombies.look at all the guys that became baby face champs...and the fans are bandwagon.....whatever...... i guess im the only one that is a raven fan and gives him props......oh well

Kevin

05-11-2005, 10:37 AM

quote: YO YO i hate the rock.. but pop from the crowd doesn't mean better. i respect what he brings to the table .but if they gave raven some kinda of push like they did the rock.everybody would love raven to. anyone shoved down our throughts as fans become  like freaking zombies.look at all the guys that became baby face champs...and the fans are bandwagon.....whatever...... i guess I'm the only one that is a raven fan and gives him props......oh well   The Rock Got his Push because of his MIC skills He was HATED when he 1st came up.Remember DIE ROCKY DIE??? He got put into that dead end crappy nation of domination gimmick. But his Mic skills got him out of it and made him the Mega star he is now. The reason why raven never did Jack is because he was Boring. Rock had the crowd cheering for him and giving him props when he was a heel. He was that good. You just cant' compare the 2. The Rock is light years better. <img src="http://scripts.cgispy.com/image.cgi?u=Kevin2700" border="0" /> The strong man is not the good wrestler; the strong man is only the one who controls himself when he is angry.

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Heavy

05-11-2005, 12:57 PM

wadd was kidding with that list RIGHT ....The only part that was a joke was Linda Mcmahon.  Its hard to imagine ANYBODY thinking Raven is better on a mic then Rock.  He is so far ahead of most every other wrestling on the mic its not even funny.  I hate to break your heart, but I do believe louder pop does mean better.  Its fake entertainment, when they cheer its because you enterain them immensly.

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Knowledged_one

05-12-2005, 04:31 AM

Now i will also say i enjoyed Raven, and by no means was the 5 i gave my top 5 list just guys off the top of my head.  Alot has to do with the consistency on the mic - Raven ECW great/Raven WCW pretty good/Raven WWF down the drains (i think this is more of the fans didn't get the Raven gimmic).  Same with Shane Douglas - Shane Douglas WCW horrible/Shane "The Dean" Douglas WWF not much better / Shane "the Franchise" Douglas ECW incredible.  Its hard to consider Shane Douglas when he had at most a year run at being great on the mic.I also think we forget alot of people two for instance (RIP) are Owen Hart and Brian Pillman now you can't tell me Pillman wasn't freakin nuts and not a genius on the stick.And btw i enjoyed Ravens commentary much better when he was Johnny Polo manager of the Quebecers and host of WWF Sunday morning on USA

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Heavy

05-12-2005, 04:47 PM

also think we forget alot of people two for instance (RIP) are Owen Hart and Brian Pillman I mentioned Pillman.  Dont know his older stuff but the Austin fued was good

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hatetreehighway

05-13-2005, 10:20 AM

there was wrestling before rock austin taker and angle.really wadd look at your list closely. hogan good on the mic.. he said the shit over and over, we will start with him. and then we will discuss your other choices. rock good on mic.yes. but raven with the same pop would have flourished.......

JustJon

05-13-2005, 10:24 AM

Hogan had a couple good spots on mic, but wasn't great overall.  Go back and watch when he joined the nWo. 

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hatetreehighway

05-13-2005, 01:40 PM

every third word brotha. what cha gonna do.. come on now.back to wadds list.. these are a joke from your list right..sheik-yoko-buff-steiner-hurricane-herc.......and if ya think hall and nash are wonderful i guess carlto is da shit.

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05-13-2005, 02:10 PM

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Heavy

05-13-2005, 06:50 PM

I should clear this up a bit.....Hollywood Hogan rocked the mic.  His intro was perfect, and he played his arrogant role perfectly.  He transformed from the all time babyface to the biggest heal of all time because of what he SAID.  

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hatetreehighway

05-17-2005, 11:04 AM

hulk hogan hollywood hogan terry bollia..whatever.. was awful and the rest of your list has gotta be a freakin joke....  jerico alone rocks them all.put down your top five and ill put mine and we will see the fans side with my list....

Death Metal Moe

05-17-2005, 11:08 AM

If you won't respect other's opinions, then don't start polls and discussions.  This is the 2nd time in as many days that I've seen you do this, and I'm fucking sick of it.

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