Women in Combat, your opinion [Archive]

FMJeff

05-19-2005, 09:48 AM

Congress is discussing a bill that would prohibit women from entering any combat squads below brigade level, essentially ending women in combat as we know it. They will of course be allowed to continue to serve in the armed forces in any number of non-combat roles, most likely administrative, mechanical, strategic planning, intelligence, requisitions, etc. What is your opinoin on women in combat? I can understand how many senators and house reps have a problem with women in combat. Nobody wants american mothers coming home in body bags, but I ask you this. When's the last time you saw an american mother who could kill you in three moves, fire an AK-47 or land a F-16 on the deck of an aircraft carrier? IMHO, these are professional soldiers who not only have the capability but the right to fight alongside men and it is time our government recognizes that female combat soldiers are just as rought and tough as thier male counterparts, if not more because they have to fight to prove themselves as women. It's an amazing hypocrisy, how women can serve on the police force, yet you rarely see a female firefighter. You have a huge population of capable people but nobody wants to use them because thier still holding onto the victorian notion that women are weak and scared and need men to protect them. 

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05-19-2005, 09:53 AM

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Death Metal Moe

05-19-2005, 09:55 AM

If a woman can keep up with the men, then there should be no question.  Let them live and die in battle.

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Tall_James

05-19-2005, 09:56 AM

quote: It's an amazing hypocrisy, how women can serve on the police force, yet you rarely see a female firefighter.  That doesn't wash.  In a raging inferno, is a 135 lb woman going to be able to throw a 225 lb man over her shoulder to drag him out of a burning building while wearing 50 lbs worth of gear?  Fuck PC hirings when human lives are at stake.  Women can be cops and great cops at that because a gun is a terrific equalizer. <img src="http://scripts.cgispy.com/image.cgi?u=tall_james" border="0" /> <a href="http://cheeseeatingbird.blogspot.com/" target="blank">The Cheese-Eating Bird</a>

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Kevin

05-19-2005, 09:57 AM

If they can pass the same tests as the men do then they should be allowed to.

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05-19-2005, 10:00 AM

quote: If they can pass the same tests as the men do then they should be allowed to.  I agree, but don't change any of the requirements of the test based on gender.  If the requirements state that a male applicant has to run 100 yds with a 200 lb weight on his back in a specific time, the female has to do exactly the same.  No deviation from the rule.<img src="http://scripts.cgispy.com/image.cgi?u=tall_james" border="0" /> <a href="http://cheeseeatingbird.blogspot.com/" target="blank">The Cheese-Eating Bird</a>

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JPMNICK

05-19-2005, 10:02 AM

quote:  That doesn't wash.  In a raging inferno, is a 135 lb woman going to be able to throw a 225 lb man over her shoulder to drag him out of a burning building while wearing 50 lbs worth of gear?  Fuck PC hirings when human lives are at stake.  Women can be cops and great cops at that because a gun is a terrific equalizer.  That about exactly sums it up from my point of view. Men and woman are not and never will be equal in a physical type situation. Its just genetic fact. I have no problem with women in the miltary, but  I do have a problem with them in combat due to this. Police work is way more controlled then live military combat. Also, as a country we tend to freak out more when a woman gets captured or killed. It hits home more I guess and causes more problems for the other troups who are over there. 

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Knowledged_one

05-19-2005, 10:16 AM

The way i see it it should be like anything else:In basketball if a girl steps on the court with 9 other guys then if you don't treat her like any other guy you are cheating not only her but yourself.  Same as in paintball i have zero qualms about shooting a girl, cause if you don't they will shoot you. In Isreal the women serve along side of the men and take part in the same training.  The chechen black widows do the same, we in the US have the need to seperate things into their own little pigeon holes.  If women can do the work then let them do it.  Also firemen have the firemens carry which basically equalizes the weight thing as well.The army should just be like Starship Troopers - Men and Women same barracks same showers same fighting.  If a woman wants to risk her life on the battlefield who is to tell them no.

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FMJeff

05-19-2005, 10:24 AM

That doesn't wash.  In a raging inferno, is a 135 lb woman going to be able to throw a 225 lb man over her shoulder to drag him out of a burning building while wearing 50 lbs worth of gear?  Fuck PC hirings when human lives are at stake.  Women can be cops and great cops at that because a gun is a terrific equalizer. There are many women out there that can outperform men in strength, endurance and intelligence. Nobody's asking the 135 lb woman to be a firefighter. But if she can pass the tests, than why the hell not? Besides, women don't always come in 135lb packages. This is what I'm talking about though, this mentality, that all women are frail and small. 

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TheMojoPin

05-19-2005, 10:38 AM

Please.So much of this country can't even tolerate a MAN going into a combat just because likes to bone other guys.As much as I agree that any women who can pass the same "tests" as men for these kind of physical roles, it ain't gonna happen.  We're too in love with the manly, hetero cock to let it happen any time soon on a large scale.<img src="http://scripts.cgispy.com/image.cgi?u=TheMojoPin" border="0" /> 1979 << On the streets of your town... >> "You can tell some lies about the good times we've had, but I've kissed your mother twice...and now I'm working on your dad..."

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FMJeff

05-19-2005, 10:45 AM

Geez Danny Downer...can you be less optimistic...

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TheMojoPin

05-19-2005, 10:47 AM

I will sulk until the brave queers in this country are allowed to openly and bravely fight in place of my cowardly hide!

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Heavy

05-19-2005, 01:54 PM

First off chicks arent allowed in combat positions now, so its hard to take that right away.  I think the exception is some fighter pilots.Secondly, I always love people passing judgements and assumtions as to why certain things are the why they are with zero knowledge on a subject, like TheHomoPin always does.

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Death Metal Moe

05-19-2005, 01:55 PM

Come on Wadd, Mojo's just sticking up for people with the same sexual orentation as your deceased, diseased Homo Hero.

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Death Metal Moe

05-19-2005, 01:57 PM

And Wadd, from a friend, you're being a real negative asshole lately.  Maybe you need to switch meds, maybe it's something in the water, maybe you're watching too many UFC fights.  I don't know.And If I , the KING OF ASSHOLES notice, it HAS to be bad.  

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Heavy

05-19-2005, 01:59 PM

The gigs up Moe.  Word is out that the random grey background is used by those only who enjoy black cock.

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Death Metal Moe

05-19-2005, 02:01 PM

OK, now that's the kind of homoblasting shit I'm talking about, you fucking Mary.

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05-19-2005, 02:02 PM

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Heavy

05-19-2005, 02:03 PM

Yea, because i brought up sexual orientation in here right?

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Death Metal Moe

05-19-2005, 02:05 PM

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Heavy

05-19-2005, 02:14 PM

Every thread Mojo and I both post in has him taking gay shot at me.  Ive talked to him more then i care to admit about gays in the military.  Thats where my homopin thing came from, and im sure hes gonna get that when he reads it.  for proof just check the bob sapp thread which i didnt reply to because going on in every thread cracking gay jokes with him has grown a tad boring.

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Death Metal Moe

05-19-2005, 02:20 PM

So wait, you're not gay?

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sr71blackbird

05-19-2005, 02:36 PM

Wait, WTF does any of this have to do with the Kennedy assasination?

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TheMojoPin

05-19-2005, 02:39 PM

quote: Every thread Mojo and I both post in has him taking gay shot at me.  Ive talked to him more then i care to admit about gays in the military.  Thats where my homopin thing came from, and im sure hes gonna get that when he reads it.  for proof just check the bob sapp thread which i didnt reply to because going on in every thread cracking gay jokes with him has grown a tad boring. <img src="http://scripts.cgispy.com/image.cgi?u=JohneeWadd" border="0" /> A proportionate amount of props are equally distributed to my nigga's Fluff, Alexxis, CanOfSoup15, WWFallon and Katylina HORDE KING FOREVER!!! ORACLE NEVER!!! The honeymoon's over?!?*Sobs* 

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DJEvelEd

05-19-2005, 02:43 PM

Women were liberated when some chick strapped on a plastic cock and banged a guy in the ass. They are liberated everyday still. You can help them or get the fuck out of the way!

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Heavy

05-19-2005, 03:17 PM

The honeymoon's over?!?*Sobs*Im me anytime Mo.  I'll explain to you why youre wrong AGAIN.

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Death Metal Moe

05-19-2005, 03:20 PM

Im me anytime MoNo one hates themselves that much.

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05-19-2005, 03:33 PM

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05-19-2005, 03:49 PM

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05-19-2005, 03:50 PM

Hey Vasquez.  You ever been mistaken for a man?

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05-19-2005, 04:58 PM

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05-19-2005, 05:11 PM

A.J.

05-20-2005, 02:04 AM

Think of all the stories that happened to the guys at the Hanoi Hilton during Vietnam.  What do you think would happen to female POWs?Remember Jessica Lynch?  How would the country react if word got out that she was beaten and raped during her captivity?  That's a possibility that has to be considered if women are allowed to participate in combat.

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DJEvelEd

05-20-2005, 03:02 AM

The female POW's from Iraq come back with hairy legs & armpits,  circumsized vaginas, and they scream ey ey ey ey ey ey ey ey ey ey ey ey while they flagelate themselves.Not to mention the pointy shoes.DAMN I wasn't supposed to mention that! 

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05-20-2005, 04:39 AM

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05-20-2005, 02:09 PM

How would the country react if word got out that she was beaten and raped during her captivity?I thought word did get out.  Someone posted, Hawk I believe, that she said she was sodomized in the book she wrote that nobody cared about.

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05-21-2005, 04:46 AM

quote: 
 it is time our government recognizes that female
combat soldiers are just as rough and tough as thier male
counterparts, if not more because they have to fight to prove
themselves as women.Stop
being so politically correct. They are not as tough as Men. Maybe as
tough as pussy Men, but not as tough as most normal Men. And if you've
ever seen a troop of Female Marines, its a joke. They cant meet basic
physical requirements of regular Marines. You cant fight biology and
100,000 years of evolution. News Flash-WERE DIFFERENT. Both physically
and mentally, as well as how we're socialized from birth. And there's
nothing wrong with it. I've never understood this desire to make women
into men. I like women just the way they are.   It's an amazing hypocrisy, how women can
serve on the police force, yet you rarely see a female firefighter. You
have a huge population of capable people but nobody wants to use them
because thier still holding onto the victorian notion that women are
weak and scared and need men to protect them.No its not. To quote Ed Koch "When a woman can carry a 200 pound Mayor out of a burning building, I'm all for it. " 

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05-25-2005, 03:43 PM

Anyone see the obituary of that cute lil' 18-year old gal who was killed and buried recently?Her name was Sam Huff (no shit!) and she was a doll-baby, something like 5' - 2" and 110 pounds. She was assigned to be a machine-gunner in a Hummer and it was too much for her, so she managed to drive the thing and she was killed by a roadside bomb. It's pretty damned disgusting that we need to send off such women to fight and die when there are able-bodied males at home repairing jet engines or being supply clerks or whatever. Take a look at the "Faces of the Fallen" feature that occasionaly runs in the Washington Post and take a look at the youngsters who have died so far, many of them teenagers or not old enough to buy a drink when they were killed.  

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05-25-2005, 07:49 PM

From someone in the military, FUCK NO." that female combat soldiers are just as rought and tough as thier male counterparts, if not more because they have to fight to prove themselves as women. " I've never heard anything so untrue.

LiquidCourage

05-25-2005, 07:58 PM

quote: If they can pass the same tests as the men do then they should be allowed to. <img src="http://scripts.cgispy.com/image.cgi?u=Kevin2700" border="0" /> The strong man is not the good wrestler; the strong man is only the one who controls himself when he is angry. That sounds great and all, but women just aren't held to the same standard.  For example, only up until recently women in the Marine Corps had to run a 1.5 mile physical fitness run, the men 3.  Now however, the fastest women have to run it in is 22 minutes to get the 100 points.  A guy has to run it in 18 minutes.  I smoke almost every female I know in the run, and yet I get less points than they do.  On the upper body portion men have to do dead hang pullups.  Women have to do this cheesy ass flexed arm hang.  Women aren't, and probably never will be held to the same standard.  Until then, there's no question in my mind on the issue.

Tall_James

05-25-2005, 08:03 PM

That sounds great and all, but women just aren't held to the same standard.  For example, only up until recently women in the Marine Corps had to run a 1.5 mile physical fitness run, the men 3.  Now however, the fastest women have to run it in is 22 minutes to get the 100 points.  A guy has to run it in 18 minutes.  I smoke almost every female I know in the run, and yet I get less points than they do.  On the upper body portion men have to do dead hang pullups.  Women have to do this cheesy ass flexed arm hang.  Women aren't, and probably never will be held to the same standard.  Until then, there's no question in my mind on the issue. First off, thank you for serving our country.  Secondly, thanks for posting this.  I heard that this was the case but since I am not military, I didn't want to post speculation on my part.  

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LiquidCourage

05-25-2005, 08:06 PM

I guess you could say that the debate was over for me at the school of infantry after seeing a solid 90% of the females fall out of the hikes, or not even being able to throw a practice grenade past the mandatory minimum of 5 meters or so and "killing" themselves.  Fact is, most women don't pack the gear to serve in my beloved Corps! (To rape an R. Lee Ermy quote)

FUNKMAN

05-25-2005, 08:19 PM

guess it wouldn't be a bad idea if the woman stayed with the hummers... and let the guys duke it out

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A.J.

05-25-2005, 11:30 PM

Fact is, most women don't pack the gear to serve in my beloved Corps! (To rape an R. Lee Ermy quote) And they certainly can't sound off like they've got a pair.At least I hope they don't.

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05-26-2005, 06:30 AM

<img height="378" src="http://www.karaokeinfo.co.uk/images%2F00000348%2Fbig%20woman%202.jpg" width="337" border="0" /><img height="360" src="http://www.karaokeinfo.co.uk/images%2F00000348%2Fbig%20woman.jpg" width="248" border="0" /><img height="600" src="http://pmpnetwork.com/photos8/AmericanGladiatorsCastPhoto.jpg" width="600" border="0" /> <a href="http://www.americanstate.org/image/abu_ghraib_01.jpg"></a><img height="345" src="http://www.americanstate.org/image/abu_ghraib_01.jpg" width="460" border="0" /> Stereotypes are fun, but they're not a good basis for policy. Women who aspire to be in the infantry are going to be the exception and not the rule. It's a mistake to form an opinion on the issue based on the general idea of "women" being the subject. We're talking about a tiny subgroup of women who have the desire and ability to perform the tasks required in combat. Using LiquidCourage's example, if there is only one woman in a class that can achieve the minimum standard for combat duty, then I think that one woman should be in combat. To exclude her would be to have the next best person in an important job rather than the best. My question for LQ, though, is: while the basic physical standards are lower for women, are the jobs that women are able to qualify for different than the men? What I mean is, does a woman still need to meet the same physical standards to fill jobs that are primarily physical in nature? I think they should meet equal or nearly equal physical standards. But I say nearly equal because military combat is not merely running and carrying large men around. Modern military combat requires maturity, courage, quick judgement, strategic judgement, calm under pressure, and even restraint. If a woman possesses these qualities far in excess of a man who is slightly more physically capable than her, then she is a better candidate than he is. Iraq provides numerous examples where the physical ability of the soldier is not the determining factor of his positive or negative contribution. The decision to carry out immoral and illegal orders at Abu Ghraib on the part of the soldiers was seriously damaging to the war effort and the country as a whole. Had those soldiers possessed better judgement, the damage could have been avoided. The fact that women seemed to have made the same poor decisions exemplifies the fact that women should not be assumed to be more prone to good or moral judgement. But to exclude women who displayed better judgement than these dumbasses would have been a mistake.Much of combat duty in Iraq is the house-to-house searches - "45 seconds of shock and awe." I can tell you that this tactic, however necessary, comes at a high cost in terms of the key strategic goal of this war of "winning the hearts and minds" of the Iraqi people. If having women on these operations mitigates the psychological impact of these kinds of operations, (much like it does in domestic violence police situations here), then women are an asset to the war effort. Checkpoint shootings have cost us much in international and Iraqi public perception as well. Without assuming women in general are more adept at snap decisions, or even assuming that those that have been the fault of the checkpoint soldiers themselves, overall, less of those shootings are better for the advancement of the goals of this war - and more of them are worse. It is an important asset of combat units to have people more adept at quick thinking under pressure than less adept. In these situations, physical strength is less important than intellectual qualities. If a woman possesses these qualities in abundance, then she is an asset, (and hopefully possesses a sweet asset too).There is also a reason that so many women are police officers today, and it's not affirmative action. Police forces have determined that women bring something to the job that men do not - a different presence. Rightly or wrongly, people generally react dif

LiquidCourage

05-27-2005, 02:21 PM

This is one of those things that I suppose my opinion doesn't even matter on.  I mean, the people who are going to decide this are politicians anyway, the overwhelming majority of which who have never served a day in their lives.  It's kind of like boot camp.  Boot camp is constantly getting easier, weaker, more watered down, etc.  And why?  Because the people who call the shots (ie officers who never actually even went through boot camp) are making it that way. 

FMJeff

05-27-2005, 09:34 PM

how is boot camp getting easier?  

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Yerdaddy

05-28-2005, 04:06 AM

quote: This is one of those things that I suppose my opinion doesn't even matter on.  I mean, the people who are going to decide this are politicians anyway, the overwhelming majority of which who have never served a day in their lives.  It's kind of like boot camp.  Boot camp is constantly getting easier, weaker, more watered down, etc.  And why?  Because the people who call the shots (ie officers who never actually even went through boot camp) are making it that way.  I think your opinion matters more than anyone's in this thread because you've got the most recent boot camp experience. Now, most of the time when we argue about subjects like this we do so from our own political versions of how things work, but when you inject reality into the debates it changes everything. Clearly you did here. Anyone who posts their two cents without considering your information is going to be dismissed or attacked with what you said. I certainly had to adapt my big pile of two-bit opinions to what you said. And you were the one I had to go to for the specific questions about the subject. Speaking of which, check my first paragraph and tell me if you know the answers to the couple of questions I asked you.I think the final decisions on the subject are certainly made by political appointees and have to be subject to political considerations, skewed heavily to the party that holds the executive branch. The Secretary of Defense is probably the most important person as he's going to appoint who and how the subject is studied and presented by the military itself. The laws governing the issue are ultimately Congress' decision, but the decisions are influenced heavily by the reccommendations of the military itself. Military issues are probably addressed more than other issues with the opinions of the subject itself, the military colleges and active generals, in mind. How the laws are implimented within the actual laws is then shaped by the actual administration, meaning the president's opinions as shaped by his military-related cabinet - mostly the Sec of Def, along with the NS advisor, Joint Chairman of the NSC, and/or whoever he chooses to listen to. With the specific bill before Congress, if they're actually holding hearings, the way it will work is that the majority party, Republicans, will choose most of the people it chooses to hear testimony from, especially the civillian speakers, and the Sec of Def will choose most of the people it sends. The level of politics injected into the debate before the committee and floor votes on the bill will largely be determined by them. If the hearings are dominated by the Heritage Foundation "experts" and Rumsfeld people, then probably the bill will pass. The dems just have fuck-all of a say in anything right now. I'd be curious what the Army War College has to say on the issue, though, and whether they're even involved in the hearings.About boot camp being easier, I'd be interested in knowing if that's related to the increasingly technical and specialized nature of the modern US military. I'd hate to be washing out qualified computer nerds or intelligence people because they can't do enough pull-ups. And nerds make up a bigger part of the military than ever before *cough*AJinDC*cough*. I think also that more of the actual combat soldiers are in specialty units like rangers, seals, special ops, etc. which require more specific and demanding boot camps. Correct me if I'm wrong on that. But are there still a big chunk of 'infantry' soldiers who go through basic boot camp and then are sent straight into active duty without more specialized vetting and training procedures?

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05-28-2005, 05:19 AM

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05-28-2005, 05:43 AM

Even if they meet the basic physical requirements, there's still
other factors, related to Troop morale and the cohesion of a unit. If
you put a woman in a troop with other men, there's a high likelihood
she will develop a relationship with one of the other troops. And
there's usually 5 other guys who wanted her, and will resent the guy
who's dating her. Then throw in cheating and breakups. Your dealing
with Men and Women in their 20's in excellent physical condition and
under constant stress in life and death situations. Expecting them to
all keep their pants on is unrealistic. 
Where the military has been intergrated (In the Navy, Air
Force) a high pecentage of the women, as many as HALF in some cases,
have ended up being discharged and sent home for being pregnant. 


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05-29-2005, 06:17 PM

If we didn't have women in combat billets, then the Bush administration might have to shut down this needless occupation in Iraq that has been such a disaster for this country.And wouldn't that be a fine kettle of fish.    What's the death toll now, 1,647?    

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05-29-2005, 11:24 PM

quote: Even if they meet the basic physical requirements, there's still other factors, related to Troop morale and the cohesion of a unit. If you put a woman in a troop with other men, there's a high likelihood she will develop a relationship with one of the other troops. And there's usually 5 other guys who wanted her, and will resent the guy who's dating her. Then throw in cheating and breakups. Your dealing with Men and Women in their 20's in excellent physical condition and under constant stress in life and death situations. Expecting them to all keep their pants on is unrealistic. Where the military has been intergrated (In the Navy, Air Force) a high pecentage of the women, as many as HALF in some cases, have ended up being discharged and sent home for being pregnant. <img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v303/Kevin2700/cakescopy.jpg" border="0" /> <a href="http://bulldogcakes.tripod.com/index.html" target="blank">My brand spankin new site Bully Baby</a> Do Siamese twins have to file seperate tax returns? Or do they file jointly? ehh..they said the same thing about black soldiers...unit cohesion issues, etc....they're soldeirs..they'll adapt...  

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LiquidCourage

05-31-2005, 03:45 PM

quote: how is boot camp getting easier?  <img src="http://www.ronfez.net/imagestorage/fmjeff.gif" border="0" /> It made my heart sing.  Well they can't smack you around like they used to... 

This message was edited by LiquidCourage on 5-31-05 @ 7:49 PM

LiquidCourage

05-31-2005, 03:48 PM

quote: quote: Even if they meet the basic physical requirements, there's still other factors, related to Troop morale and the cohesion of a unit. If you put a woman in a troop with other men, there's a high likelihood she will develop a relationship with one of the other troops. And there's usually 5 other guys who wanted her, and will resent the guy who's dating her. Then throw in cheating and breakups. Your dealing with Men and Women in their 20's in excellent physical condition and under constant stress in life and death situations. Expecting them to all keep their pants on is unrealistic. Where the military has been intergrated (In the Navy, Air Force) a high pecentage of the women, as many as HALF in some cases, have ended up being discharged and sent home for being pregnant. <img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v303/Kevin2700/cakescopy.jpg" border="0" /> <a href="http://bulldogcakes.tripod.com/index.html" target="blank">My brand spankin new site Bully Baby</a> Do Siamese twins have to file seperate tax returns? Or do they file jointly? ehh..they said the same thing about black soldiers...unit cohesion issues, etc....they're soldeirs..they'll adapt...  <img src="http://www.ronfez.net/imagestorage/fmjeff.gif" border="0" /> It made my heart sing.TOTALLY different.   "About boot camp being easier, I'd be interested in knowing if that's related to the increasingly technical and specialized nature of the modern US military." It's like my DIs said, the blame's on the 'mothers of America'.

Bulldogcakes

05-31-2005, 04:29 PM

quote:quote: Even
if they meet the basic physical requirements, there's still other
factors, related to Troop morale and the cohesion of a unit. If you put
a woman in a troop with other men, there's a high likelihood she will
develop a relationship with one of the other troops. And there's
usually 5 other guys who wanted her, and will resent the guy who's
dating her. Then throw in cheating and breakups. Your dealing with Men
and Women in their 20's in excellent physical condition and under
constant stress in life and death situations. Expecting them to all
keep their pants on is unrealistic. Where the military has
been intergrated (In the Navy, Air Force) a high pecentage of the
women, as many as HALF in some cases, have ended up being discharged
and sent home for being pregnant. <img border="0" src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v303/Kevin2700/cakescopy.jpg" /> <a target="blank" href="http://bulldogcakes.tripod.com/index.html">My brand spankin new site Bully Baby</a> Do Siamese twins have to file seperate tax returns? Or do they file jointly? ehh..they said the same thing about black soldiers...unit cohesion issues, etc....they're soldeirs..they'll adapt... Oh, so Black male soldiers were going home pregnant? Did you even READ my post? 
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05-31-2005, 04:43 PM

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Yerdaddy

06-01-2005, 03:52 AM

"About boot camp being easier, I'd be interested in knowing if that's related to the increasingly technical and specialized nature of the modern US military."  It's like my DIs said, the blame's on the 'mothers of America'. Ah, those DIs are such masters of allusion. But I didn't get it. What I meant was, do you know if everybody goes through the same basic training - communications people, techies, etc. - and then the combat soldiers go through more rigorous training and testing? I'm guessing that, with the more technical nature of the military of today, this more speicalized training system would be necessary, and may account for the softening of basic boot camp. Keep yer 'puter dry and yer protractor hard! sort of thing?

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06-02-2005, 08:20 AM

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06-03-2005, 04:05 PM

quote: quote: quote: "About boot camp being easier, I'd be interested in knowing if that's related to the increasingly technical and specialized nature of the modern US military."  It's like my DIs said, the blame's on the 'mothers of America'.  Ah, those DIs are such masters of allusion. But I didn't get it. What I meant was, do you know if everybody goes through the same basic training - communications people, techies, etc. - and then the combat soldiers go through more rigorous training and testing? I'm guessing that, with the more technical nature of the military of today, this more speicalized training system would be necessary, and may account for the softening of basic boot camp. Keep yer 'puter dry and yer protractor hard! sort of thing?<img src="http://scripts.cgispy.com/image.cgi?u=bonedaddy5" border="0" /> Fuck it from behind. The Army goes through the basic u just described (comm people go to one boot camp, infantry another).  All Marines go through the same boot camp though.