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FMJeff
05-26-2005, 11:31 AM
<p><a href="http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/05/26/iraq.main/index.html">http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/05/26/iraq.main/index.html</a></p><p>This is the fundamental misunderstanding in Amerca's War on Terror. While I'm sure Al-Zarqawi has strong leadership skills and a brilliant strategical mind for guerilla warfare and terrorism, eliminating him will accomplish ZILCH. This isn't a monarchy. Taking out the king will not destroy the kingdom. Another will rise up in his place and resume his duties. How many Al-Zarqawi's have there been in the history of global terrorism. Jesus. </p><p>Fuck, even if we nab Bin Laden, its not going to accomplish anything. The social-political climate has to change, and that can only be accomplished through respect of cultures, balancing economic powers,&nbsp;strong communications and the educating&nbsp;the next generations of Muslims...teaching them tolerance, understanding, human decency, respect for life...take them out of the dark ages...teach them modern science and show Islam as a faith and not a literal textbook for living...</p>

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Snoogans
05-26-2005, 11:34 AM
which card is this guy?<br />


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Knowledged_one
05-26-2005, 11:37 AM
I bet Geroge Bush and the damn republicans&nbsp;are the ones&nbsp;to blame for his injuries

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05-26-2005, 11:39 AM
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badorties
05-26-2005, 11:39 AM
<p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><font style="font-size: 9px" face="Verdana">quote: </font><font size="1">which card is this guy?</font> <blockquote dir="ltr" style="margin-right: 0px"><font size="+0"><font size="+0"><font size="1"><a href="http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/world/iraq/20040825-1356-iraq-deckofcards.html" target="_blank"><em>WASHINGTON &ndash; The Ace of Spades was captured. The Ace of Clubs and Ace of Hearts were killed. Of the most-wanted Iraqis included in a deck of playing cards distributed last year by the U.S. military, all but 10 are in custody or dead.</em></a></font></font></font><font size="+0"><font size="+0"> <p><a href="http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/world/iraq/20040825-1356-iraq-deckofcards.html" target="_self"><em><font size="1">The problem has turned out to be the people who weren't in the deck.</font></em></a></p></font><p><font color="#ffffff" size="1">.</font></p><img src="http://scripts.cgispy.com/image.cgi?u=badorties" border="0" /><br /></font>[/quote]

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DarkHippie
05-26-2005, 11:41 AM
I disagree with it meaning nothing.&nbsp; If he is dead, this will create a temporary power vaccuum among the terrorists in Iraq.&nbsp; They will recover, but the weeks without a leader will creat an opening for security forces to do some real damage to them.

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ChickenHawk
05-26-2005, 12:03 PM
While it's true that terrorism doesn't work like a monarchy, finding out that one is dead always puts a smile on my face.

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05-26-2005, 03:33 PM
<p>he probably got a splinter in his little finger and he's crying the blues...</p><p>suck it up decapitator</p>

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sr71blackbird
05-26-2005, 04:52 PM
Not to sound hokey or anything, but the more dead terrorits, the better.

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whiteboy1457
05-26-2005, 06:34 PM
while killing&nbsp;him would make a power vaccum and put a smile on many peoples faces wouldnt it just piss off the terrorist even more because we killed one of their leaders which in turn would cause more attacks

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ChickenHawk
05-26-2005, 06:38 PM
<font face="Verdana" style="font-size:9px;">quote:<hr color="cococo" align="left"></font>while killing˙him would make a power vaccum and put a smile on many peoples faces wouldnt it just piss off the terrorist even more because we killed one of their leaders which in turn would cause more attacks
<br>No.

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A.J.
05-26-2005, 11:15 PM
<font style="font-size: 9px" face="Verdana">quote: </font>which card is this guy?<br /><img src="http://scripts.cgispy.com/image.cgi?u=Snoogans194" border="0" /> GO SAWX!!!!! Hassan Eats Dick!!! Snoogans 1, Monitor 0 GIMMIE MY FUCKIN CHANGE, I AINT PLAYIN WIT YOU <p>OK -- that me me laugh.</p><p>I have to admit -- guys like Zarqawi and bin Ladin have GREAT leadership abilities.&nbsp; How they can convince&nbsp;all these&nbsp;people to blow themselves up and fight against the &quot;infidels&quot; while they keep themselves on the run is pretty impressive.&nbsp;</p><p>&quot;If Osama told you to jump off a bridge would you do it?&quot;&nbsp;<br /></p>

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ChickenHawk
05-26-2005, 11:19 PM
It's not so much a matter of them "convincing" people to blow themselves up... It's merely an exploitation of a lack of education. These leaders keep their power by keeping their followers stupid. Long as they deprive their people of the truth, they'll do whatever they say.

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05-26-2005, 11:39 PM
Sorry -- [SARCASM]&nbsp; [SARCASM]

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ChickenHawk
05-26-2005, 11:42 PM
Thought so.

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05-26-2005, 11:49 PM
Damn, I miss the Cold War. At least we all knew where we all stood, and who we all feard. Sure, the whole world could have been destroyed in a day...&nbsp; but it wasn't.

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05-27-2005, 04:50 AM
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which card is this guy?</font></p><p>Forgive
me for saying this but I always thought the deck of playing cards
things was kind of hokey and lame. What in the hell was ever the point
of having the cards made up in the first place? Was there only 52 &quot;bad
guys&quot;? Maybe it just made it even more corny to me when I would walk
into a Cumberland Farms and see a stack of the playing cards on the
counter for $4.99. <br />
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05-27-2005, 04:55 AM
didnt the cia say he was most likely the man holding the sword to the backs of peoples necks so i say DIE MOTHERFUCKER




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Yerdaddy
05-27-2005, 06:08 AM
<p>I don't agree that killing this guy will mean nothing, but, if it does happen, it will be grossly distorted in the political world in the US. Republicans will, again, be demanding that the liberals convert to Bushism, even as the retaliatory attacks are escalating in Iraq. Liberals will decry that it will mean nothing. And, as usual, I will reluctantly (partially) agree with the liberals. But, as usual, the debate will have little to do with the actual significance of the event - just the usual jockying for the political &quot;pitcher-not-a-catcher&quot; position.</p><p>Zarqawi has to go as a symbol of the Islamist element of the Iraqi insurgency. Seriously, the fact that we've been blaming every horrific attack on him, <strong>while not being able to kill the guy</strong>, has been a boon to terrorist recruiting and morale. Same with Bin Laden, (remember him?) (Clarification: I've&nbsp;met several journalists&nbsp;and former occupation officials recently, and&nbsp;all of them are convinced that some high-profile attacks are being attributed to Zarqawi - like immediately, even when they couldn't possibly have investigated, and&nbsp;fail to change their declarations&nbsp;even after another Islamist group takes credit. The general opinion is that the administration simply wants&nbsp;people to think of the insurgency as a few groups when it is a&nbsp;complex network of many groups. Regarding Bin Laden, I'm not trying to imply that anything has been attributed falsely to him.)&nbsp;But Zarqawi is not the driving force behind the insurgency - only a small, if particularly savage, part of it. He will be easily replaced - we know that al-Qaeda, including Zarqawi's &quot;al-Qaeda in the Lavant&quot; (clever), has another leader in the terrorist Pez dispenser, and if Zarqawi is killed things will get worse before it gets better. But, seriously, we need to kill this fucker just to make the next guy a little more nervous. </p><p>Basically, it will mean little, as these guys that have become celebrities for their ability to avoid capture have already achieved their goals by doing so. It's too late to win that propaganda battle, but we could at least stop losing. If only we had devoted the resources of the Iraq war to killing Bin Laden...</p>

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05-27-2005, 06:21 AM
<p>So basically all of the operations in Afghanistan have been for nothing?&nbsp; Because we have not found a guy who can cross over into Pakistan without limitations or hinderance but god(or allah) forbid that the U.S. go into any part of Pakistan to go after these guys without approval from Pakistan in essence we are being handcuffed by Pakistan.&nbsp; But i can hear it now that if we did go into Pakistan without permission it would be the big bad bush ignoring the little guys to blindly cut his own path for justice, its just such a bad Catch 22.</p><p>And to say that we have been unsuccesful in Afghanistan is a slap in the face of all the people who have fought and died or injured who have done there best to do a job (and lets not forget getting rid of the oppresive Taliban government).</p>

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FMJeff
05-27-2005, 10:36 AM
<font style="font-size: 9px" face="Verdana">quote: </font><p>So basically all of the operations in Afghanistan have been for nothing?&nbsp; Because we have not found a guy who can cross over into Pakistan without limitations or hinderance but god(or allah) forbid that the U.S. go into any part of Pakistan to go after these guys without approval from Pakistan in essence we are being handcuffed by Pakistan.&nbsp; But i can hear it now that if we did go into Pakistan without permission it would be the big bad bush ignoring the little guys to blindly cut his own path for justice, its just such a bad Catch 22.</p><p>And to say that we have been unsuccesful in Afghanistan is a slap in the face of all the people who have fought and died or injured who have done there best to do a job (and lets not forget getting rid of the oppresive Taliban government).</p><img src="http://img.ranchoweb.com/images/aggie2323/celticssig.jpg" border="0" /> Kicking it old school on the board again <p>Of course its a slap in the face. To know you died for very little is a slap in everyone's face...but the slap isn't coming from the person who said the war was unnecessary, it's coming from our government. Soldiers know it, they understand it, they say it openly. Talk to soldiers who lost friends in Iraq after they found out our government called off the search for WMD's. I respect and admire our soldiers willing to give thier life for thier country, but I'm certainly not happy with them dying for a lie. </p><p>And please, stop giving me the &quot;we got rid of the Taliban and Saddam.&quot; We armed the Taliban and we could've taken out Saddam when he attacked Kuwait. It's easy for us to focus our hatred on a group like Muslims or leaders like Bin Laden and Al-Zarqawi. People need that. Over there they teach American hatred. Over here we single out&nbsp;terrorist leaders and attribute every act of terrorism to them, when&nbsp;often times&nbsp;it was an affiliated, independent cell working on thier own.&nbsp;Nobody wants to attack the harder issues, like education and tolerance and our own American hypocrisy. We hated the USSR, we helped the women killing, terrorist harboring Taliban. Now we're friends with Russia and we hate the Taliban...who fired on us with our own antiquated weapons. It's silly, really. </p><p>We love Saddam, Rumsfield shakes his hand. We hate Saddam, Rumsfeld runs the war against his country. Oh it goes on and on. We help Israel, we hate Palestine. We equip Israel with the best military in the area. We give the Palestinians nothing. We watch as Israel retaliates with our own weaponry, the Palestinians throw rocks. They turn to BLOWING THEMSELVES UP as thier only means of showing the world they are serious about thier own survival...that they won't stand idly by as American backed Israel takes away thier land. Only NOW, when its a huge political STINKER, does Bush begrudgingly offer $50 million to Palestine and an opportunity to form thier own country. Yes, I know Bush refused to work with Arafat because he was a terrorist. But you know what, we sure as hell didn't invade Palestine did we? No,&nbsp; we're very choosy in terms of who we arrest for global terrorism. Saddam Hussein, who we clearly had NO case of terrorism, was branded a backer for terrorist organizations by our President, his country invaded and himself arrested. Arafat...who we had SUBSTANTIAL evidence against, dies from complications due to medical issues in a comfortable bed. Why? Iraq has oil, yes, but there's other issues at play here. We needed the war to look tough in the middle east, to keep the fighting there...maybe...who knows. All I'm sure about is the war on terrorism is a complete blunder on our end. </p><p>There's no consistency to policy. It all smacks of alterior motives, conspiracy, back-door bullshit...it all smells rotten.</p>

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FMJeff
05-27-2005, 10:39 AM
<font style="font-size: 9px" face="Verdana">quote: </font>I disagree with it meaning nothing.&nbsp; If he is dead, this will create a temporary power vaccuum among the terrorists in Iraq.&nbsp; They will recover, but the weeks without a leader will creat an opening for security forces to do some real damage to them. <img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v124/Canofsoup15/Sigs/HippieRat.jpg" border="0" /> Check out DarkHippie's latest story, &quot;Keeper&quot;, at <a href="http://home.pcisys.net/~drmforge/dftoc2.htm" target="blank">http://home.pcisys.net/~drmforge/dftoc2.htm </a><p>I'm going to wholeheartedly disagree with you on that one DH.&nbsp;I'm willing to bet he's been training a deputy for quite some time now to take his place should he fall. The guy's probably waiting in the wings and will announce himself as soon as Al-Zarqawi is confirmed dead, just to smack us in the face, to show that no matter who we kill and how many, this is not going away by cutting off the head of the snake.</p><p>I believe this is true because &nbsp;that's what I would do if I was a terrorist leader. It seems like common sense to me. <br /></p><img src="http://www.ronfez.net/imagestorage/fmjeff.gif" border="0" /> <br />It made my heart sing.

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high fly
05-29-2005, 11:02 PM
<p>Hard to tell the impact of this, if it is true. </p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>One measure, though, is in the size, sophistication and quality of the attacks in the future.</p><p>We thought we'd done al Qaeda damage in Afghanistan, but since then they have carried out more attacks than before.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p>&quot; and they ask me why I drink&quot; <img src="http://64.177.177.182/katylina/highflysig.jpg" border="0" /> Big ups to sex bomb baby Katylina (LHOOQ) for the sig!

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Yerdaddy
05-30-2005, 04:09 AM
<p>So basically all of the operations in Afghanistan have been for nothing? <br />Who said that? I made specific points about specific aspects of the &quot;war on terrorism.&quot; If you can't address my points directly, don't distort what I say with childish straw men. </p><p>Because we have not found a guy who can cross over into Pakistan without limitations or hinderance but god(or allah) forbid that the U.S. go into any part of Pakistan to go after these guys without approval from Pakistan in essence we are being handcuffed by Pakistan.&nbsp; But i can hear it now that if we did go into Pakistan without permission it would be the big bad bush ignoring the little guys to blindly cut his own path for justice, its just such a bad Catch 22.<br />Pakistan is a &quot;critital ally in the global war on terrorism,&quot; Bush has been telling us for almost four years now. And I think it's true. But the Bush administration is now satisfied enough with Pakistan's support to go around US law and resume sending F-16s to Pakistan. That's a big gift considering US law states that the US cannot sell or give weapons to non-NATO countries with nuclear weapons, (Israel the obvious exception). If you're not satisfied with Pakistan's contribution to the effort, you're saying that it's Pakistan's fault, and you believe that &quot;we are being handcuffed by Pakistan,&quot; then explain why your president feels the opposite?</p><p>What I'm saying is that we haven't devoted the necessary resources to Afghanistan and to capturing or killing Bin Laden because these ideology-driven clowns in the administration were obsessed with invading Iraq for 12 years. Iraq was an insignificant contributor to terrorism, and a non-contributor to anti-US terrorism. Iraq has recieved approximately 15-20 times the resources that Iraq has, and there have been successes in Afghanistan. But it's not enough to remove the terrorist threat from that country because we failed to deal with the warlordism that rules whole provinces in the country, the black market drug and weapons networks, or provided the security, development, or diplomatic aid that the Karzai needs to gain control of the whole country, lure tribes away from fundamentalism, eradicate the Taliban, or capture Bin Laden. In fact, the topic I addressed in Afghanistan was specifically the damage that not capturing Bin Laden does to the overall effort against terror. I don't know why I'm even taking you seriously on this. </p><p>And to say that we have been unsuccesful in Afghanistan is a slap in the face of all the people who have fought and died or injured who have done there best to do a job (and lets not forget getting rid of the oppresive Taliban government).<br />Spare me the pious red-herring horse shit. Those guys want to kill Bin Laden. If they've been denied that chance, it's because of the failure of the political leaderhsip to commit the necessary resources. Nobody is criticizing the effort of the soldiers and fuck you for trying to imply that we are. Stick to the point or take it to Free Republic. </p>

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Bulldogcakes
05-30-2005, 04:51 AM
<font face="Verdana" style="font-size: 9px;">quote:</font><p>I
don't agree that killing this guy will mean nothing, but, if it does
happen, it will be grossly distorted in the political world in the US.
Republicans will, again, be demanding that the liberals convert to
Bushism, even as the retaliatory attacks are escalating in Iraq.
Liberals will decry that it will mean nothing. And, as usual, I will
reluctantly (partially) agree with the liberals. But, as usual, the
debate will have little to do with the actual significance of the event
- just the usual jockying for the political &quot;pitcher-not-a-catcher&quot;
position.</p><p>Agreed.
Anytime you can take out the leader of a criminal group, you can have
factions form among those remaining, and the potential for infighting (BTW, something that has yet to be exploited, the vast differences among Arabs and Muslims themselves). 3-4 smaller groups can be easier to deal with than one big one. Divide and conquer. So its a first step on a long road. </p><p>As for the politics, I try to tune that stuff out. &nbsp;</p><p> Zarqawi has to go as a symbol of the Islamist element
of the Iraqi insurgency. Seriously, the fact that we've been blaming
every horrific attack on him, <strong>while not being able to kill the guy</strong>,
has been a boon to terrorist recruiting and morale. Same with Bin
Laden, (remember him?)</p><p>I
can only imagine that's done for domestic political reasons, but
there's no doubt it makes his legend grow. One man takes on the Great
Satan. Excellent recriuting device. And it also exposes some of the
fundamental problems with battling Terrorism. What works FOR you at
home works AGAINST you abroad.&nbsp; &nbsp;</p><p>(Clarification: I've met several journalists and
former occupation officials recently, and all of them are convinced
that some high-profile attacks are being attributed to Zarqawi - like
immediately, even when they couldn't possibly have investigated, and
fail to change their declarations even after another Islamist group
takes credit. The general opinion is that the administration simply
wants people to think of the insurgency as a few groups when it is a
complex network of many groups</p><p>It
may be both, a complex network of groups under one umbrella. One reason
Al-Quaeda has proved so difficult to deal with is how loosely it is
tied together. But again, for Domestic political reasons, you want to
sell the American public one bad guy. The reality would freak them out.
But I doubt that the Military planners on the ground aren't aware of
the complexities. And they're the ones that are in a position to do
something about, unlike us. &nbsp;</p><p>Basically, it will mean little, as these guys that
have become celebrities for their ability to avoid capture have already
achieved their goals by doing so. It's too late to win that propaganda
battle, but we could at least stop losing. If only we had devoted the
resources of the Iraq war to killing Bin Laden...</p><p>I've
always wondered just how hard we've been trying. As long as he's out
there, we have to keep fighting, and to take him out might give us a
false sense of security. So maybe we want him out there to galvanize
the American public. &nbsp;</p>

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Bulldogcakes
05-30-2005, 05:31 AM
<p>BTW I keep forgetting to add this, but the recruiting thing can be
used AGAINST the Terrorists as well. And thats why with us having a
friendly Government in Iraq, we should be able to send some &quot;recruits&quot;
to the likes of Zarqawi and have them infiltrate his operations. It's
one of the reasons why this situation is fundamentally different from
Israel and its problems w/Terrorism.&nbsp; Eventually we want to get to
a place where Iraq deals with its own criminal elements, and we simply
guarentee security. Which is doable. <br />
</p><p>I was very glad to see the new Iraqi military doing raids in the
past few days, where they were said to have made some progress. Beats
the shit out of us having to do that, for ALOT of reasons. <br />
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Yerdaddy
05-31-2005, 04:58 AM
<p>Basically, it will mean little, as these guys that have become celebrities for their ability to avoid capture have already achieved their goals by doing so. It's too late to win that propaganda battle, but we could at least stop losing. If only we had devoted the resources of the Iraq war to killing Bin Laden...</p><p><br />I've always wondered just how hard we've been trying. As long as he's out there, we have to keep fighting, and to take him out might give us a false sense of security. So maybe we want him out there to galvanize the American public.<br />I don't think that it's a deliberate effort to leave him alive. I think it's an incorporation of the previously desired war to take out Saddam that overshadowed capturing Bin Laden. Mission creep, or deliberate exploitation of the GWOT? You can guess what my opinion is. Nope! Both. </p><p>But I think the problem with the theory of leaving Bin Laden out there as a boogeyman is that it was a close election. Capturing or killing Bin Laden could have made the difference. Sure, they thought Iraq would be easy and would guarantee reelection, which justified the early warnings of diverting resources from Afghanistan and the hunt for Bin Laden. But when things fell apart, (very early on), you have a whole new incentive to do whatever you can, (with what you have left), to get that fucker. Problem was, aside from the resulting lack of resources, Pakistan's population was furious for Iraq, making Musharraf's position much less tenable in Pakistan. Can't let US forces into the country, (openly, at least), now. Plus, he's survived at least 3 assassination attempts already, and we don't know who would replace him if one was successful. Add to that, much of the Afghan population distrusts us after Iraq, making them less cooperative. Hell, the whole Arab/Muslim world is less trustful of us over Iraq and that just hurts all cooperation with our so-called allies, (the governments, of course, not the people). Capturing Bin Laden wasn't going to be easy, but we made it a whole lot harder.</p><p>I don't entirely dismiss the idea that we've been deliberately lax in finding him because I think this administration really is full of freaks - guys who, because they were all in power before and then were out for eight years, decided that they knew all and removed themselves from the mainstream international relations community - the think tanks, debates, conferences, academia, and other forums that allow ideas to be challenged and rethought; peer-review. They thought they knew best and became very very wrong. They still think they know best and are capable of many things that I would have once dismissed as conspiracy theories. So, maybe. But still unlikely, I think.</p><p>I also think that your description of the Islamist elements of the insurgency as both independent groups inside a cooperative network is right. Interdependent. That's how the military and the best analysts&nbsp;describe it. It's also how al-Qaeda is thought to operate. Bin Laden is expected to be replaced by his deputy, (is it Mullah Omar? I forget right now), with little disruption, if he hasn't already. Just like Zarqawi will probably have the same organization. Maybe some affiliated groups will object to the new guy, but I don't think it's worth counting on.</p>

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