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<p><a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8047258/" target="_blank">W. Mark Felt, ex-FBI official, revelas himself as Deep Throat from the Watergate scandal.</a></p><p>And
let's not post our porno jokes. Let's just all assume that you actually
did post them, and they weren't the kind of jokes that have been posted
millions of times before, and the we laughed and laughed and had good
times.<br />
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Tall_James
05-31-2005, 07:54 AM
<p>I'm sure a lot of people will be disappointed that it wasn't someone more recognizable. </p>
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05-31-2005, 07:54 AM
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Doctor Manhattan
05-31-2005, 09:45 AM
<p>Carl Bernstein, who with Bob Woodward broke the story as Washington Post reporters, issued a statement neither denying nor confirming Felt's claim. Bernstein stated he and Woodward would be keeping their pledge to reveal the source only once that person dies.</p><p>so it's not this guy.</p><p><img height="286" src="http://www.xfiles.stylicious.com/bios/images/deepthroat1.jpg" width="288" border="0" /></p>
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05-31-2005, 10:01 AM
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badorties
05-31-2005, 12:45 PM
<p> </p><p>i remember hearing/reading a theory that 'deep throat' was simply a plot device devised by an editor to frame the story, and give a sense of perspective ...</p><p>this is kinda lame</p>
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Snoogans
05-31-2005, 12:55 PM
what im tryin to figure out is what the hell ron jeremy had to do with watergate<br />
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05-31-2005, 01:01 PM
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FUNKMAN
05-31-2005, 03:56 PM
who came first, Felt or Lovelace?
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Bulldogcakes
05-31-2005, 04:26 PM
<p>Here's a question</p><p>Hero or villian?</p><p>I dont really know how to feel about it. </p><p>Its good he brought wrongdoing to light, but he's no Hero to me. </p><p>And he shouldn't get too much credit or blame. Nixon brought ALL this shit on himself. </p>
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05-31-2005, 05:09 PM
<p><img height="210" src="http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/2005/POLITICS/05/31/deep.throat/top.2012.nixon.felt.ap.jpg" width="280" border="0" /></p><h2><a href="http://www.ronfez.net/2005/POLITICS/05/31/deep.throat/index.html"><font face="Arial" size="5">'Deep Throat' ID confirmed</font></a></h2>
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05-31-2005, 05:34 PM
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Donnielimes
05-31-2005, 07:03 PM
<p>I thought Bush sr. was 'Deep throat'. He had beef with Nixon. When Nixon recognized china he didn't even tell Bush who was the ambassador to china at the time. I think he even went to the country and didn't even tell Bush he was coming. I'm just saying George had CIA inside connections to have access to the break in info right? I wanna be right about this. I have a sick need to be right.</p>
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PapaBear
05-31-2005, 07:54 PM
I bet Al Haig is upset. The only reason anyone ever had for bringing up his name was to say he might be Deep Throat.
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05-31-2005, 08:26 PM
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06-01-2005, 04:30 AM
<font style="font-size: 9px" face="Verdana">quote: </font><p>Here's a question</p><p>Hero or villian?</p><p>I dont really know how to feel about it. </p><p>Its good he brought wrongdoing to light, but he's no Hero to me. </p><p>And he shouldn't get too much credit or blame. Nixon brought ALL this shit on himself. </p><img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v303/Kevin2700/cakescopy.jpg" border="0" /> <a href="http://bulldogcakes.tripod.com/index.html" target="blank">My brand spankin new site Bully Baby</a> Do Siamese twins have to file seperate tax returns? Or do they file jointly? <p>I'm going hero all the way baby! Nixon and his people, (his administration, campaigns, accomplices in the bureaocracies, etc.), were using the institutions of government - that were designed to serve the American people - to cheat in an election, (one that he had almost no chance of losing anyway), extort illegal campaign contributions and launder the money through Mexico, incite violence at peaceful rallies, destroy reputations, illegally spy on citizens, and god knows what else. Until now, with the conservative propaganda mill in full distortion mode - I can hear it all the way from here, Deep Throat's motives were never questioned, at least that I ever heard of. His motives were assumed to be that the administration was corrupting the institutions of the people in order to cover-up its own corruption. It seemed obvious to me from the time I learned the detailed Watergate story, that this was a person who chose loyalty to the country over loyalty to an individual, deeply corrupt, president. Aside from the theories that involve speculation about the who Deep Throat might be, I see no evidence to the contrary.</p><p>Sure, Nixon brought it on himself. We don't even know everything he and his people were up to. But the cover-up was working. Without Deep Throat the adminsitration would have got away with it much longer, and possibly forever. </p>
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<font color="Navy"><font size="2">Now Nixon's goon squad is making the rounds
trashing the guy. Way to go. Trashing a near death 92 year old becuase
you can't come to grips with your own crimes 30 years later. I'd expect
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<font color=black>This message was edited by HBox on 6-1-05 @ 6:48 PM</font>
Bulldogcakes
06-01-2005, 05:41 PM
<font face="Verdana" style="font-size: 9px;">quote:</font>Here's a question<p>Hero or villian?</p> <p> </p><font face="Verdana" style="font-size: 9px;">quote:</font>I'm
going hero all the way baby! Nixon and his people, (his administration,
campaigns, accomplices in the bureaocracies, etc.), were using the
institutions of government - that were designed to serve the American
people - to cheat in an election, (one that he had almost no chance of
losing anyway)<p> </p><p>It
really is amazing that all this shit went on in an election he had all
sewn up. I'm not sure he knew about it at the time of the election, but
he sure knew afterwards and covered it up. </p><p> </p><font face="Verdana" style="font-size: 9px;">quote:</font>Until
now, with the conservative propaganda mill in full distortion mode - I
can hear it all the way from here, Deep Throat's motives were never
questioned, at least that I ever heard of. His motives were assumed to
be that the administration was corrupting the institutions of the
people in order to cover-up its own corruption.<p> </p><p>Yeah,
I know. And its all a distraction (See below) But if you want to get
into partisanship, dont forget all the Clinton scandals.I just wonder if folks on the Left felt the same way about Linda Tripp. Actually, I can answer that. They didn't. </p><p><br />
</p><font face="Verdana" style="font-size: 9px;">quote:</font>It seemed obvious to me
from the time I learned the detailed Watergate story, that this was a
person who chose loyalty to the country over loyalty to an individual,
deeply corrupt, president. Aside from the theories that involve
speculation about the who Deep Throat might be, I see no evidence to
the contrary.<p> </p><p>He
wasn't the only one, and the "Deep Throat" charecter was a composite
created by a book editor when they were doing "All The Presidents Men".
Which leads to a more interesting question. Forget about "Who" Deep
throat was, thats really irrelevant. The better question is WHY. Was Mr
Felt upset being passed over for the head FBI post? Perhaps, I heard a
historian on NPR this afternoon say he admitted as much. But what about
all the others who were coming foward? Woodward himself said "Deep
Throat" only confirmed things he already knew, from multiple other
sources. Why were so many coming foward? I think that
Conservatives couldn't stand his Foreign policy (esp. the Communist
China visit) or his Domestic policies, many of which were to the left
(Created the EPA, OSHA, instituted price controls, etc.) and In
Washington, you can withstand attack from the other party. You cant
withstand being attacked from within. <br />
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El Mudo
06-01-2005, 06:09 PM
<p> Yeah, I know. And its all a distraction (See below) But if you want to get into partisanship, dont forget all the Clinton scandals.I just wonder if folks on the Left felt the same way about Linda Tripp. Actually, I can answer that. They didn't </p><p> </p><p>I completely agree with you Bulldog...</p><p>How do we decide whether a whistleblower is good or bad? </p><p> </p><p>And furthermore, how is Mark Felt any different than Linda Tripp?</p>
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<p><font size="0" face="verdana" color="black">Yeah, I know. And its all a
distraction (See below) But if you want to get into partisanship, dont
forget all the Clinton scandals.I just wonder if folks on the Left felt
the same way about Linda Tripp. Actually, I can answer that. They didn't</font></p><p>Wait,
are you trying to say that the left treated Tripp the same as Deep
Throat, or not? I'm not sure if this is a slam or not.</p><p><font size="1" face="verdana" color="black">And furthermore, how is Mark Felt any different than Linda Tripp?</font></p><p>One
made sure that the country knew about a gross misuse of power, and the
other made the country aware of lies about some blow
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El Mudo
06-01-2005, 08:21 PM
<p>Last time I checked perjury was a crime....</p><p>I can see where this is going...but what's the use? It'll all boil down to the same old left/right argument....</p><p>Its all about perspective on people like Felt i guess...if someone you like gets the whistle blown on them, youre not going to really appreciate the whistleblower....</p><p> </p><p>*shrugs* C'est la guerre....</p>
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Look, if you can't see the difference between Linda
Tripp and Deep Throat, I don't know what to say. It goes beyond
partisan differences; we can disagree on how important it was that
Clinton perjured himself as President, but you cannot say that what
what Tripp did is in any way close to being equal to what Felt did.
Nixon was abusing his power to unprecedented degrees. It was much worse
than what Clinton did and there is no debate about it. Felt made the
country a better place by exposing Nixon. However you feel about
Clinton and what he did, can you say the same about
Tripp?<br />
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PapaBear
06-01-2005, 08:45 PM
<p> I can't find the source for this, but Bob Woodward has said the role of Deep Throat wasn't nearly as great as people think. The only reason we're still talking about it today is because of the intrigue placed on the issue and the name they gave him. Basically, he said that if they had given him a name other than Deep Throat (a name they used because the porn movie was so popular at the time), and if All The President's Men hadn't dramatized it all so well, noone would be talking about him today.</p><p> Mark Felt helped, but his contributions are exagerated. I must admit though... it was a damn good movie. I hope HBO shows it soon.</p>
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[color=navy]<font size="2">The book "All The President's Men" was a pretty
awful book. The whole thing was written in the style of a dry news
article. The only reason I finished it was because I had to read it for
one of my college courses. The style just didn't fit a book. And it was
extremely confusing the way they'd throw around all those fucking
names, and the style just compounded the problem.</font><br />
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PapaBear
06-01-2005, 08:56 PM
The names were confusing in the movie, too but the name confusion was actually part of the plot. It was still a good movie, though. I don't think I've ever talked to anyone who's read the book.
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Yerdaddy
06-02-2005, 05:23 AM
<font style="font-size: 9px" face="Verdana">quote: </font><font color="#000080"><font size="2">The book "All The President's Men" was a pretty awful book. The whole thing was written in the style of a dry news article. The only reason I finished it was because I had to read it for one of my college courses. The style just didn't fit a book. And it was extremely confusing the way they'd throw around all those fucking names, and the style just compounded the problem.</font><br /><img src="http://img255.echo.cx/img255/5972/mariosig8fk.jpg" border="0" /> <font color="#000000">This message was edited by HBox on 6-2-05 @ 12:53 AM</font> <p>Now you're talking like a crazy person! I read the book a couple months ago and it was outstanding. It read like a good detective [why is my text in this fruity color goddammit! What am I, Grape Ape!] novel. Granted, it was easy to get absorbed and keep track of all the names when the only other thing you have to do all day is study Arabic for a couple of hours and drag the employees at the local bean restaurant ("fuul aw fasulia?" = "beans or beans?") from off the floor behind the counter where they've been lying around chewing qat all day. I was more confused with the movie than the book. But, seriously, that was a superbly written book - thanks to Bernstein, since the other Woodward books I've read are a bit like talking politics with Terri Schiavo. Read it again. </p><p>Part of the problem with the overempasis on Deep Throat as THE source of the Watergate investigation is the fact that it involved so many people. Certainly Hugh Sloan deserves respect for choosing the country over politics by being the first one to quit his prestigious job at the CRP, and cooperate fully with the Justice Dpt. and then to cooperate to the WP when the Justice investigators were feeding him softball questions - apparently, to him, not wanting to find the truth. Certainly, many of the people who worked for the Republican party at the time, but who came forward anyway, made huge personal sacrafices, and deserve the gratitude of the country, but also the Republican party itself. They don't deserve to have it implied, by those current republicans who are on the defensive attack now, that their own actions were disloyal or "treasonous." After the Watergate affair and Nixon's resignation, the republican party cleaned up quite a bit; and was thus a better party and better for America. The Democratic party cleaned up too. And to imply that to be disloyal to a sitting president when he is involved in a massive network of crimes and corrupting the entire system of government in America is immoral or unAmerican is repulsive, an offence to all thoe who made sacrafices for the country, and will result in making the country more like it was before Watergate. Fuck them for what they're doing to all of us. Fuck them right in the asses.[/richeous indignation]</p><p>Deep Throat = Linda Tripp?</p><p>"Dirty Tricks" = pudgy dick-sucker / lying durign a politcally-motivated, later indignantly tossed-out, lawsuit, (witchhunt, really, and I hated Clinton)?<br /></p><p>You can't be serious.</p></font>
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high fly
06-02-2005, 02:43 PM
<p>I haven't read the book in so long, I can't really comment on it.</p><p>The youngsters just don't realize how big this is.</p><p>I was reminded of how back then, it looked like there was nothing to it, other than a burglary by some over-zealous pawns, and how it looked like the <em>Post </em>was just dragging out a story that had run it's course, then the bombshells started coming in and each time, the right-wingers would retreat to a new set of lies, I mean, every one just <em>KNEW</em> Nixon himself wouldn't be so stupid as to be involved with the coverup, <em>RIGHT?</em></p><p><em /></p><p><em>Scummy bastard!</em></p><p><em /></p><p>It is evident that Feld did the right thing, alls one has to do is listen to the whining and whimpering and calls of "traitor!" by the ones who went to jail, educated people, people who had sworn oathsto protect the Constitution, horrid pies of lime-green doo-doo who did their damnedest to subvert our entire system of government.</p><p>There they are, buncha thoroughly corrupt putrid semi-humans who shoulda by all rights been not just made to wear black and white striped prison outfis, but beeen given black and white stripe tattoos, saying Feld shoulda gone to the Justice Dept., an agency of government already corrupted by slug-shit like John Mitchell.</p><p> </p><p>Yerdaddy, I am largely in agreement with you, but the point about Deep Throat.</p><p>Besides confirming what W&B had sussed out, he kept them going when it looked like the story had reached a dead end.</p>
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06-02-2005, 03:16 PM
<p>I had a feeling that last post would start a fight. </p><p> </p><p> </p><font face="Verdana" style="font-size: 9px;">quote:</font><font color="#000080"><p>Deep Throat = Linda Tripp?</p></font><p> </p><p>I
never meant to imply that the two are equivilent. They were simply both
whistleblowers, and my point was about partisanship, and the tendency
to be more forgiving when its someone in your own backyard. <br />
</p><p> H-Box is right, the subject matter w/Nixon was more serious. And El Mudo is right about partisan sympathies. <br />
</p><p>And I still contend that Nixon could have finished his term (damaged) if he hadn't pissed off his base so much.<br />
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<font face="Verdana" style="font-size: 9px;">quote:</font><font color="#000080"><p>Deep Throat = Linda Tripp?</p></font>
If she was, the movie would have BOMBED. <br />
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06-04-2005, 01:14 PM
<p> </p><p>It was more than pissing off his base.</p><p>It was an unprincipled damn-the-Constitution power grab by a bunch of vile men.</p><p>Right now with such a compliant press, we are set up for the same thing by a bunch of unprincipled Republicans who will do anything to maintain power.</p><p> </p><p><strong>"Republicans stand for raw, unbridled evil and greed and ignorance smothered in balloons and ribbons"</strong></p><p><strong>-------</strong>Frank Zappa</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p>
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06-04-2005, 03:34 PM
<p>And of course, we all feel the same outrage when JFK hired the Mob
to fix his election in Chicago and then later (in office) to kill
Castro. Both of which are fairly illegal last time I checked. But the
Democrat controlled Congress decided they didn't need to be
investigated. Big surprise. <br />
</p><p>No, nobody gets mad at those. Actually, those are romanticized.
In particular by many in the press. Talked about as "The Good old days"<br />
</p><p>Am I defending Nixons illegalities? No. Just try to be
consistent in your "outrage". And check your own backyard for big piles
of crap. <br />
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06-04-2005, 09:33 PM
<p>And of course, we all feel the same outrage when JFK hired the Mob to fix his election in Chicago and then later (in office) to kill Castro.</p><p>Kennedy's pop stole Illinois AND West Virginia with the Mob's help, but the plans to whack Castro using the Mob was started when Ike was still in office, and, ironically, VP Richard Milhouse Nixon was directly supervising the whole shebang. Kennedy inherited the active operation with the office, and only learned about it once the CIA decided to get around to telling him and RFK about it motnhs after they moved into the White House.</p>
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06-05-2005, 12:58 AM
<font style="font-size: 9px" face="Verdana">quote: </font><font color="#000080"><font size="2">Look, if you can't see the difference between Linda Tripp and Deep Throat, I don't know what to say. It goes beyond partisan differences; we can disagree on how important it was that Clinton perjured himself as President, but you cannot say that what what Tripp did is in any way close to being equal to what Felt did. Nixon was abusing his power to unprecedented degrees. It was much worse than what Clinton did and there is no debate about it. Felt made the country a better place by exposing Nixon. However you feel about Clinton and what he did, can you say the same about Tripp?</font></font><br /><img src="http://img255.echo.cx/img255/5972/mariosig8fk.jpg" border="0" /> <p><br />Agreed...catching a BJ in the oval is far cry from Nixon's dirty little deeds... </p>
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Bulldogcakes
06-05-2005, 04:56 PM
<p> </p><font face="Verdana" style="font-size: 9px;">quote:</font><p>Kennedy's
pop stole Illinois AND West Virginia with the Mob's help, but the plans
to whack Castro using the Mob was started when Ike was still in office,
and, ironically, VP Richard Milhouse Nixon was directly supervising the
whole shebang. Kennedy inherited the active operation with the office,
and only learned about it once the CIA decided to get around to telling
him and RFK about it motnhs after they moved into the White House.</p>
<br />
I'll buy that. Especially
since RFK was so tough on Organized crime while in office. But they
were still, at best, the unknowing (HA! PLEASE, It's his DAD!)
benefactors of a rigged election. And fixing an election strikes me as
FAR worse than anything Nixon was ever accused of. <p> </p><p>I'll
throw this in the mix too. Hard line supporters of Nixon (Ben Stein,
Pat Buchanan) will tell you that the Democratic leadership in Congress
was well aware of the likely international consequences of a Nixon
resignation. Ford had no stomach for dealing w/Vietnam, and the
resulting power vaccum lead directly to the killing fields in Cambodia.
So (Ben Stein in particular) lays those 100's of thousands who died at
the feet of a Congress that only cared about "getting" Nixon.</p><p>I
personally, dont go that far. The Congress handles America's business.
And foreign policy is always uncertain. But its an interesting
argument. </p><p>Those Nixon Republicans were tough as nails, and never gave an inch rhetorically. </p><p> </p>
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06-05-2005, 05:06 PM
<p>The Kennedy brothers honestly didn't know about how pops called in favors until well after they were in office, and even now there's question as to whether JFK himself EVER knew ("keep the pretty boy out of the loop...if he doesn't have to know, he don't know!")...it's almost a given RFK knew while he was the AG, given how tough he cracked down on organized crime while in office, like you said. Word was probably slipped to him as a warning or threat...hence where so many of the conspiracy theories that JFK was killed by the mob came from.</p><p>But honestly, I have little desire to defend JFK. His decisions during the Missile Crisis were brilliant, but that's about it. He was wishy-washy on so much else, domestic and international...he was very much the Democrats Reagan...he LOOKED and SOUNDED like a president SHOULD...but there really wasn't much there...yet both are now heralded by their respective powers like they were super-heroes. Plus, JFK was just a dick. Best career move he ever did was taking that trip to Dalls...</p><p>It's odd that people try to claim Nixon would have somehow "saved" Cambodia, or at least lives there, given how he had no qualms about bombing the fuck of them while he was still in office. Kind of ironic....don'cha think?</p><p>Personally, I love it when ANY politician gets caught over ANYTHING. These fuckers shouldn't ever get away with anything, yet they do so much...just look at our current schmuck and the mook before him...</p><img src="http://scripts.cgispy.com/image.cgi?u=TheMojoPin" border="0" /> 1979 << On the streets of your town... >> "You can tell some lies about the good times we've had, but I've kissed your mother twice...and now I'm working on your dad..."
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06-05-2005, 05:09 PM
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06-05-2005, 05:11 PM
<font face="Verdana" style="font-size: 9px;">quote:</font>I'm
going hero all the way baby! Nixon and his people, (his administration,
campaigns, accomplices in the bureaocracies, etc.), were using the
institutions of government - that were designed to serve the American
people - to cheat in an election, (one that he had almost no chance of
losing anyway), extort illegal campaign contributions and launder the
money through Mexico, incite violence at peaceful rallies, destroy
reputations, illegally spy on citizens, and god knows what else. <br />If
he felt he was a "Hero" how do explain his silence for all these years?
Shouldn't he have been proud of it? He denied being "Deep Throat" for
years. Why? As an career FBI man, what he was doing went against
everything his Department stood for. FBI men are supposed to be people
who can be trusted with sensitive information, not ones that go running
to the local Newspaper w/it. I think he was ashamed at what he did, and
thats why he stayed silent so long. <br />
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06-05-2005, 05:16 PM
<font face="Verdana" style="font-size: 9px;">quote:</font><br />
<p> Plus, JFK was just a
dick. Best career move he ever did was taking that trip to Dallas...</p><p> </p><p>Ha! Now thats the good stuff. Ouch! </p><p> </p><font face="Verdana" style="font-size: 9px;">quote:</font>It's
odd that people try to claim Nixon would have somehow "saved" Cambodia,
or at least lives there, given how he had no qualms about bombing the
fuck of them while he was still in office. Kind of ironic....don'cha
think?<p> </p><p>Now, now. You know perfectly well we had to bomb the villiage in order to save it. </p><p> </p><font face="Verdana" style="font-size: 9px;">quote:</font>Personally, I love it when ANY politician gets caught over
ANYTHING. These fuckers shouldn't ever get away with anything, yet they
do so much...just look at our current schmuck and the mook before him...<p> </p><p>Amen. </p><br />
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FUNKMAN
06-05-2005, 05:28 PM
<p>now that it's been like a few days did it really add up to a can of beans? i swear the media just loved being able to say 'deep throat'... </p><p>and again does anybody know whether the movie came out before this, or afterwards? i think they both happened around 72'</p>
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high fly
06-06-2005, 03:56 PM
<font style="font-size: 9px" face="Verdana">quote: </font><p> </p><blockquote />I'll buy that. Especially since RFK was so tough on Organized crime while in office. But they were still, at best, the unknowing (HA! PLEASE, It's his DAD!) benefactors of a rigged election. And fixing an election strikes me as FAR worse than anything Nixon was ever accused of. <p></p><p> </p><p>The fact is, there was a lot of shadiness in that election concerning the Nixon campaign trying to steal the thing, so maybe they balance each other out.</p><p> </p><p>Nixon subverted the whole system of government, using the FBI, IRS and CIA to carry out personel vendettas, plus there was a general air of lawlessness there ---- they just didn't think they had to follow laws they didn't like.</p><p> </p><p>This is a specious argument, we all, <em>most of us, anyway,</em> learned when we were kids that the bad behaviour of one person does not excuse that of another.</p><p> </p><p></p><p>I'll throw this in the mix too. Hard line supporters of Nixon (Ben Stein, Pat Buchanan) will tell you that the Democratic leadership in Congress was well aware of the likely international consequences of a Nixon resignation. Ford had no stomach for dealing w/Vietnam, and the resulting power vaccum lead directly to the killing fields in Cambodia. So (Ben Stein in particular) lays those 100's of thousands who died at the feet of a Congress that only cared about "getting" Nixon.</p><p> </p><p>That's just plain stupid.</p><p>Nixon shoulda been impeached and run out of town on a rail no matter <em>what </em>the "international consequences" were.</p><p>To say we should've kept a crook in there who was out to warp our government beyond recognition because of what the Vietnamese or Pol Pot would do in Cambodia is fuckin insane!</p><p>The killing fields of Cambodia would have happened with or without Nixon, and they will happen again. There's been one bloody massacre after another there as far back as history and legend go in time.</p><p> </p><p></p><p>I personally, dont go that far. The Congress handles America's business. And foreign policy is always uncertain. But its an interesting argument. </p><p>Those Nixon Republicans were tough as nails, and never gave an inch rhetorically. </p><p></p><p> </p><p> </p><p>Tough?</p><p>Try vicious.</p><p>And unprincipled.</p><p>They were just as willing to sell out their "core values" just as fast as present day so-called "conservatives" who have supported vastly increasing the federal bureaucracy, breaking record after record with unaccounted for spending, an interventionist foreign policy, an agricultural policy that consists of record-sized handouts, who have increased federal intrusion into the private lives of the citizens... the list is damned near endless.</p><p>It's all about power, which now trumps everything for the GOP.</p><p>If you like Buchannon, I recommend <em>Where the Right Went Wrong</em> and one titled something like, <em>A Republic, Not an Empire.</em></p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p>[/quote]<br />
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06-06-2005, 04:01 PM
<font style="font-size: 9px" face="Verdana">quote: </font><p>now that it's been like a few days did it really add up to a can of beans? i swear the media just loved being able to say 'deep throat'... </p><p>and again does anybody know whether the movie came out before this, or afterwards? i think they both happened around 72'</p><img src="http://thereisnogod.faithweb.com/images/funkman.gif" border="0" /> WoodStien were specifically refering to the porn movie when they named Deep Throat. The movie was at the height of it's popularity at the time.<br />
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06-06-2005, 04:03 PM
<font style="font-size: 9px" face="Verdana">quote: </font><font style="font-size: 9px" face="Verdana">quote:</font><br />If he felt he was a "Hero" how do explain his silence for all these years? <p> </p><p>His silence has no bearing on what the man accomplished.</p><p>Just look at how all the slime of the time have come out clubbing him and saying how dishonorable he is and all....and these were people who made a living breaking into psychiatrists offices and doing other shit to ruin people's lives.</p><p> </p><p>Felt wasn't perfect, but no matter how he' handled himself, what he did was to help save the republic from a crowd of the most vile creatures to slink through the halls of government.<br /></p>
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06-06-2005, 08:11 PM
<p><font size="1">WoodStien were specifically refering to the porn movie when they named Deep Throat. The movie was at the height of it's popularity at the time.</font><br /></p><p>thanks PapaBear!</p>
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