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spoon

06-28-2005, 04:09 PM

Nice false tie in right at the start with Iraq bringing the war to us and our shores on 9/11. 

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HBox

06-28-2005, 04:11 PM

The American Medical Association has categorized
Bush presidential addresses as a high blood pressure risk. They should
be avoided under all but the most extreme circumstances. 

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HBox

06-28-2005, 04:14 PM

Do you think they just had him recite one speech in
front of a blue screen, and every couple of months they change the
background and run it again? 

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spoon

06-28-2005, 04:16 PM

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HBox

06-28-2005, 04:17 PM

And boom goes the dynamite!! 

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spoon

06-28-2005, 04:20 PM

Did he just say, "Let me SPLAIN why we can't do that"?I guess snoogans understands him though.

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HBox

06-28-2005, 04:23 PM

Have you seen that Family Guy Bush gag that Adult
Swim has been running as a promo this week? I knwo it's stupid, but it
cracks me up everytime I see it. 

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spoon

06-28-2005, 04:25 PM

He doesn't want the Iraqi people to think we would leave too early....he should have added like my father.  And he sounds like the guy who bangs a girl and hangs out too long after bc he doesn't want her to feel bad that he used her.  Iraq is that girl.

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spoon

06-28-2005, 04:27 PM

Which one is that?  I haven't seen the promo, but haven't missed a Family Guy episode.

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HBox

06-28-2005, 04:28 PM

When Peter goes to perform at the White House, and
all he does is act like he entertaining a baby, and Bush laughs like a
baby until he knocks over something on his desk, and then he starts
crying, until Peter gets him laughing again. 

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spoon

06-28-2005, 04:29 PM

**  "Support the military family down the street."WTF!  Isn't that your job?  One you are doing very bad at the moment!  That's no change for good old GW.

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spoon

06-28-2005, 04:31 PM

You know the old phrase from O & A, "It's funny bc it's true."

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HBox

06-28-2005, 04:33 PM

"Please join the military. Think of it this way.
I'm playing Stratego. I'm running out of playing pieces. Please be my
game pieces. I need more scouts. Please. 

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spoon

06-28-2005, 04:36 PM

I believe he actually stated that, "The US military needs more #8's to enlist.  These boys aren't hurt by bombs! "  Then he laughed again.

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grlNIN

06-28-2005, 04:55 PM

Are you guys gonna like, makeout now or something? 

 
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06-28-2005, 05:31 PM

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06-28-2005, 05:38 PM

quote: Are you guys gonna like, makeout now or something? <img src="http://scripts.cgispy.com/image.cgi?u=ninny" border="0" /> Maybe some time They'll make it a Ride all over the WorldOr something.  

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newport king

06-29-2005, 06:56 AM

Nice false tie in right at the start with Iraq bringing the war to us and our shores on 9/11.  I really think most of middle america thinks Iraq attacked us anyway. I work with this redneck kid that was a marine, theres this one street in Jersey City that is all INDIAN he actually refers to these people as "those fucking muslims". 

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Doctor Manhattan

06-29-2005, 07:04 AM

quote: I work with this redneck kid that was a marine, theres this one street in Jersey City that is all INDIAN he actually refers to these people as "those fucking muslims". There are a lot of <a href="http://www.islamicpopulation.com/india_muslim.html" target="_blank">Muslims in India</a> There are about <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/3634546.stm" target="_blank">138 Million in India</a>

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newport king

06-29-2005, 07:07 AM

that's not what he's talking about. and they only make about 14% of the population. i wouldn't consider that a muslim country. <img src="http://hometown.aol.com/bonedaddy5/images/newportking.jpg" border="0" />

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FUNKMAN

06-29-2005, 07:18 AM

he's got to make the best of a poor decision... i doubt it was his intention or had the foresight to see how this conflict would continue. i believe he thought their Army would fold quick and the vast majority of the citizens would welcome 'so called' freedom and the Americans with open arms. there are some good points to make with regard to "fighting the terrorist battle" on foreign soil. i don't think he knew there would be so many 'non-iraqi' insurgents joining the fight but in reality it's a good thing to be drawing them to you. there may be some validity in the opinions that we don't have enough troops. I didn't like his suggestion that the Iraqi people may feel we are looking to 'never leave' if we send more troops. I hope he's not sacraficing American lives for the mindset of the Iraqis. All he has to say is he wants to get the job done 'quicker'Another question is why is it taking so long to train Iraqi soldiers? In this country we have booth camps for 6 weeks and soldiers are considered battle ready and have been sent to frontlines in past wars. Would like to know what the delays are.

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newport king

06-29-2005, 07:24 AM

Another question is why is it taking so long to train Iraqi soldiers? In this country we have booth camps for 6 weeks and soldiers are considered battle ready and have been sent to frontlines in past wars. Would like to know what the delays are.because rock throwing and blowing yourself up aren't considered a good way of fighting? j/k

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TheMojoPin

06-29-2005, 09:42 AM

You can't "train" people to stop suicide attacks.  WE can't stop 'em...hell, the Israelis can't stop 'em, and they've been dealing with them on an almost daily basis for about 25 years.  If somebody wants to kill you and they're willing to kll themselves in the most destructive way possible to do it, it's pretty fucking hard to stop someone with that mindset, simply because most rational people can't process that.And Newport, good point about India...there's over a billion people in the country, so 138 million Muslims makes it nowhere near being a "Muslim country."  Yeah, it may sound like a lot, but that's just relative to the population.  There's about 25 million Christians there, too, and that's as much or more than as a lot of "Western" nations.  India is primarily Hindu, through and through.

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Recyclerz

06-29-2005, 12:45 PM

there are some good points to make with regard to "fighting the terrorist battle" on foreign soil. i don't think he knew there would be so many 'non-iraqi' insurgents joining the fight but in reality it's a good thing to be drawing them to you.This is the argument that worries me the most. I agree with Bush's statement that we can't (or, maybe more accurately, shouldn't) bail too quickly on Iraq for fear of creating a new 'failed state" that would be perfect for training new terrorists. (I'll forego the we-shouldn't-be-there-in-the-1st-place argument for now.) However, W twice stated or strongly implied that the reason we haven't had another terrorist attack on US soil was that ALL the terrorist moths were currently being attracted to the flame we've created in Iraq, where we can kill'em without getting our carpets dirty doing so. This is self-delusional bullshit and dangerous self-delusional bullshit at that. You don't need a PhD in game theory to figure out that if the al-Qaeda boys can manage to sneak a few truck bombs into big cities or a few suicide bombers into upscale shopping malls that the last pillar of political support for W's war goes away and this country will again be focused on protecting the homeland (ie. "Fuck Iraq -bring our soldiers home where they can protect US"). Combine that with a TET-like offensive in Iraq and we're outta there faster than a Frenchman running from a Polish plumber. End result - the terrorists "win". Why does he keep leading with his (our) chin?This guy, our President, keeps losing more bets than Keshia and yet keeps plowing forward anyway. I would almost find it endearing, if not admirable, if it weren't for the fact that it's our hair/foot rubs/dignity that are on the line. That I don't like so much.Another question is why is it taking so long to train Iraqi soldiers? In this country we have booth camps for 6 weeks and soldiers are considered battle ready and have been sent to frontlines in past wars. Would like to know what the delays are.Don't forget, our new guys are entering a system that works like a well-oiled machine. Since the neo-cons fired the whole Iraqi army we have to build the enitre thing from scratch. Not an easy task even when your guys aren't getting blown up daily.

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spoon

06-29-2005, 02:25 PM

quote: there are some good points to make with regard to "fighting the terrorist battle" on foreign soil. i don't think he knew there would be so many 'non-iraqi' insurgents joining the fight but in reality it's a good thing to be drawing them to you. there may be some validity in the opinions that we don't have enough troops. That's the problem, how couldn't he have known about the possibility of "non-Iraqi" insurgents?  If they had planned at all they would have been ready for this and kept the borders in check, which they aren't doing at all right now.  Once again, that brings up the troop number question as well. <img src="http://members.aol.com/dxixrxt/spoon2.jpg" border="0" /> Get your balls out of your purse and step up to flavor! With whale cancer! F yeah!

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FUNKMAN

06-29-2005, 03:09 PM

That's the problem, how couldn't he have known about the possibility of "non-Iraqi" insurgents?  If they had planned at all they would have been ready for this and kept the borders in check, which they aren't doing at all right now.  Once again, that brings up the troop number question as well.i think you can look at it this situation in two ways. there are alot of things that it seems Bush did not forsee, was it him alone that made the mistakes or did he have help from military commanders as well? who knowsI remember Bush saying that 'he thought the Iraqi army would stay and fight and not retract back into the cities and blend back into the general population' BIG MISTAKE/OVERSIGHT. Did he not learn anything from his Dad and Desert Storm. They ran away with their tails between their legs.anyway the two situations regardless of whether he knew about the influx of foreign insurgents:1. Would you rather these people be drawn in now and hopefully they can be killed or captured or2. Have them wait in hiding in their own countries and have them become active participants in future terrorist plans...alot of questions develop with this situation:  like 'would some of these insurgents have become insurgents if the US did not invade Iraq?'   I'm sure some didn't like the US but would not have decided to become terrorists until they saw the US in their backyard

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07-01-2005, 12:06 PM

quote: [quote] i think you can look at it this situation in two ways. there are alot of things that it seems Bush did not forsee, was it him alone that made the mistakes or did he have help from military commanders as well? who knows   Before the war, the CIA was having war games to prepare for the possibility of an insurgency.Rhymes-With-Dummy refused to let Department of Defense people participate.Additionally, General Shinseki's objections, as well as those of Admiral William J. Crowe, General Hoar, General Zinni, Brent Scowcroft, James Webb, General Norman Schwartzkoff, David Hackworth and others were well known.The decision to invade a country that was not a threat to us and that had cost a total of $12 billion over 12 years and ZERO U.S. lives was Bush's.Bush was also the commander-in chief who decided to take out the specops troops on the hunt for bin Laden in Afghanistan and replace them with line infantry in March, 2002.The decision to go in with such a small force in proportion to the population was Bush's.  quote:  I remember Bush saying that 'he thought the Iraqi army would stay and fight and not retract back into the cities and blend back into the general population' BIG MISTAKE/OVERSIGHT. Did he not learn anything from his Dad and Desert Storm. They ran away with their tails between their legs.   What happened was Bush was advised to have the Iraqi army return to it's barracks, but keep them on the payroll and use them for security, after we weeded out the bad guys, nazis, if you will. Bush rejected that advice and sent 500,000 Iraqi troops home with their weapons, but with no jobs or chance of one in a country where the economy was collapsing.  quote:  anyway the two situations regardless of whether he knew about the influx of foreign insurgents:1. Would you rather these people be drawn in now and hopefully they can be killed or captured or2. Have them wait in hiding in their own countries and have them become active participants in future terrorist plans...   These are false choices based on a false premise. First, the invasion by infidels of the second-most holy land in Islam was bound to cause a backlash. Hell, bin Laden and other jihadists had been railing about our military presence on their lands for a loooooooong time.Second, these insurgents, had we not invaded, would not have headed for the U.S. to hijack airliners or suicide bomb our shopping malls. It's not like they were on their way over here, and unpacked their bags and cancelled their airline tickets into Dulles after we invaded.The jihadists push an ideology that says that making war on the enemy outside of Islamic lands is voluntary, but when the infidel invades, resistance is mandantory.This is why bin Laden carried out 9/11.Al Qaeda was too small to defeat us all by itself in an offensive war.The only way bin Laden saw to defeat us was by sparking a defensive war that would pit a sizeable portion of 1.3 billion Muslims against the U.S. 9/11 was intended to cause us to invade Musim lands, which bin Laden had predicted.This is the danger we face, and we must split the jihadists from the rest of Islam, and so far the Bush administration has been doing just the opposite.Not only has Bush strengthened the enemy, a strength which grows day by day, but he has provided a California-sized live-fire training groud for the insurgents.  ( I hope board members have not forgo

spoon

07-01-2005, 02:34 PM

I wish you were wrong, but your statement was prophetic.  And judging by the names in your last post, so were many others.  On the bright side, GW now gets to put his stamp on the Supreme Court!  Probably twice. 

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mdr55

07-01-2005, 02:50 PM

What ever happened to the Coalition of the Willing? Don't the other
nations have troops there besides the U.S.? "You tell Tony blair that
we're doing it alone, and the other nations with us"--G.W.