Terrorists Attack London Subway,Buses [Archive]

Reephdweller

07-07-2005, 02:51 AM

Large numbers of casualties have been reported after at least six explosions on the Underground network and a double-decker bus in London. <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4659093.stm">http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4659093.stm</a>

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07-07-2005, 04:42 AM

Apparently some unknown islamic group claimed responsibility from Foxnews.com:A previously unknown group, "Secret Group of al Qaeda's Jihad in Europe," claimed responsibility in the name of Al Qaeda for the blasts, according to the Italian news agency ANSA. The group claimed the attack in a Web site posting and warned Italy and Denmark to withdraw their troops from Iraq and Afghanistan, ANSA said.

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fluffernutter

07-07-2005, 04:42 AM

Pretty messed up.The one station hit, Aldgate East was the one we use on our trips over there. It makes it feel so personal in a sense.Damn shame.  

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Donnielimes

07-07-2005, 04:42 AM

I knew the French were dissapointed about the olympics going to London but this is too Far. DAMN the French and their smelly cheese!! Damn Them!!!

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bobrobot

07-07-2005, 04:50 AM

DC public radio announced that there will be guards armed w/ machine guns at public transportation stations throughout the city!

LordJezo

07-07-2005, 05:00 AM

oy.what a crazy thing to wake up to. at least more weren't killed.  sucks, but could have been worse so at least that's good. 
 

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Heavy

07-07-2005, 05:53 AM

They can stick machine-gunned troops everywhere but theres no way to stop suicide bombers, if thats what they are.

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07-07-2005, 05:53 AM

Foxnews.com just updated from 2 dead and 160 injured to40 Dead and over 300 injured and they think the toll will keep climbing.

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07-07-2005, 05:56 AM

<img border="0" src="http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41277000/gif/_41277669_central_londonblast5_map.gif" />They say reports of 23 people killed just at King's Cross. Fox News just said 45 casualties and 1000 injured. Terrorism fucking sucks. 

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furie

07-07-2005, 06:18 AM

quote:I
knew the French were dissapointed about the olympics going to London
but this is too Far. DAMN the French and their smelly cheese!! Damn
Them!!!
"Good Times/Noodle Salad, Thats my story" i used that joke this morning. didn't go over well. i kept waiting for a sheepy. 

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07-07-2005, 06:29 AM

What the hell are we going to do? How can you stop people who
believe in killing people? My miind is ready to explode just thinking
about these terrorists and whats going on in the world. There's no
reasoning with thhem, there's no way to stop b/c they are so spread out
and everywhere. It's like the world has cancer and we have no cure for it. There's no end insight.  My
girlfriend stayed at the delta hotel where one of the bombs exploded
right outside, a couple of months ago and my best friend just returned
from London last week. 


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Dirtybird12

07-07-2005, 07:05 AM

What an ugly morning. I am surprised there have been no suicide attacks in America on this level.Refering to those idiotic backpack bombers and car bombers.  Seems so difficult to stop someone who doesn't mind dying.Will this affect the G8 world poverty issues?

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ChickenHawk

07-07-2005, 08:17 AM

I don't FUCKING believe this shit! This has my heart beating in my fucking throat right now. Here's the really weird part about today... I was actually woken up by police and fire sirens. I'd been hearing them for at least a half hour in a sleep state, and finaly they woke me up completely... The last time I heard that many fire engines and sirens was September 11th, so I went into a bit of a panic. I jumped on my computer and turned on my TV to check the news, and there it was... Terrorism struck today. Not here in Boston... So I'm not sure what all the sirens were about... But on a morning that I was woken up alarmed by sirens, a terrorist attack occured. I don't know what to think... I'm fucking furious and disgusted... and helpless.

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badorties

07-07-2005, 08:54 AM

there's a brilliant, rational mind on leonard lopate now that's putting things in some sense of perspective ... <blockquote dir="ltr" style="margin-right: 0px">it's horrible that 40 people died, but it might be a sign that al-queda reach may be weakening ... the death toll is less than the madrid bombing, and this effort might be the best they can muster -- hopefully as time progresses, their network will weaken, and the magnitude of the bombings (hopefully coupled with more viligence) might fadeand given the british's history of german and IRA bombings, their resolve doen't rattle as easy ... whereas here, with no clear warning or evidence, homeland security holds a kneejerk press conference to raise the secuity level for transportation -- playing right into the terrorists hands for creating an unnecessary sense of fear (the level could've been raised without the fanfare) ... it doesn't help that this is a slow news cycle that will allow the 24 news channels to endlessly overhype and make much more of this than needed ..[/quote].<img src="http://scripts.cgispy.com/image.cgi?u=badorties" border="0" /> 

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ChildofFez

07-07-2005, 09:28 AM

Quote: from the terrorists: In the name of God, the merciful, the compassionate, may peace be upon the cheerful one and undaunted fighter, Prophet Muhammad, God's peace be upon him. Nation of Islam and Arab nation: Rejoice for it is time to take revenge against the British Zionist Crusader government in retaliation for the massacres Britain is committing in Iraq and Afghanistan. The heroic mujahideen have carried out a blessed raid in London. Britain is now burning with fear, terror and panic in its northern, southern, eastern, and western quarters. We have repeatedly warned the British Government and people. We have fulfilled our promise and carried out our blessed military raid in Britain after our mujahideen exerted strenuous efforts over a long period of time to ensure the success of the raid. We continue to warn the governments of Denmark and Italy and all the Crusader governments that they will be punished in the same way if they do not withdraw their troops from Iraq and Afghanistan. He who warns is excused. God says: "You who believe: If ye will aid (the cause of) Allah, He will aid you, and plant your feet firmly." you can read the same crap on christian extremist sites (i.e., klan, white power movement, etc).quote: We have fulfilled our promise and carried out our blessed military raid in Britain after our mujahideen exerted strenuous efforts over a long period of time to ensure the success of the raid.  What the shit? Exerted strenous efforts? Strenous effort is a coyote knawing off it's own leg to get out of a trap, or the egyptians building the pyramids without modern technology.... not a bunch of fucking dirtbags with homemade bombs, synchronizing watches. "ok, we mixed the fertilizer and diesel. It's in a jug, and we all have matches. Go to mass transit, and light the shit at 7." "we should sync up our watches!" "Praise allah! What strain this plan has become!" I mean, seriously, I could have "planned" something to this effect, piss drunk at at my friends house last weekend.  "You all have your firecrackers??? On 3... 1...........2............3!!!!!" <img src="http://hometown.aol.com/metllicat3/images/sig.jpg" border="0" /> <a href="http://www.myspace.com/drummerisme" target="blank">You know you want to click do it I dare YA!!!!!!!!</a>.

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Duke

07-07-2005, 09:33 AM

fuckin terroists this is horrible just horrible 

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East Side Dave

07-07-2005, 10:10 AM

Why is MSNBC letting Katie Couric be one of the main anchors for this? She's so used to being "cute" that every time she speaks she practically has a smile on her face meanwhile she's talking about people dying! Is she high??? Someone slap that silly bitch across the face and tell her she's broadcasting news, god-dammit!!

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theseatbelts

07-07-2005, 11:27 AM

These idiots are doomed to fail. With every terrorist attack the Free World puts aside the background nonsense that divides us and unites to defeat them. The more they attack, the stronger their hated enemy will become. Jihad will destroy their cause not our will.

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Knowledged_one

07-07-2005, 11:37 AM

What is sad is that people are actually blaming the US for the UK getting attacked........when won't we be blamed for everything

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Doctor Manhattan

07-07-2005, 11:41 AM

quote: What is sad is that people are actually blaming the US for the UK getting attacked........when won't we be blamed for everything How is the US being blamed? what people are saying this?

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theseatbelts

07-07-2005, 11:42 AM

There aren't as many blaming the US today as there was yesterday. The strong reaction of the French German and Spanish governments would have been unthinkable before this attack. Not to say they aren't very involved in Afghanistan or the global war on terror, but the official statements are more unwavering then usual. <div />                                 

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Doctor Manhattan

07-07-2005, 11:47 AM

quote: There aren't as many blaming the US today as there was yesterday. The strong reaction of the French German and Spanish goverments would have been unthinkable before this attack. Now I'm confused. I thought I read: "people are actually blaming the US for the UK getting attacked" This couldn't have happened yesterday since the attacks were today.

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theseatbelts

07-07-2005, 11:54 AM

<div>My point is the popular world view is the Iraq War, Gitmo and US foreign policy in general is the cause of the growing threat of terrorism. Now it seems more people are holding Al Qaida responsible.</div>

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keithy_19

07-07-2005, 11:57 AM

Putin blamed the US for not allowing a more global effort in Iraq. Fucking Russians.

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Heavy

07-07-2005, 12:52 PM

I mean  if this was about G8, wouldnt they have attacked or bombed the crowd or actual singers/bands at these silly concerts on Saturday?  imagine the disruption or damge/casualties that would have caused.  Instead they bomb a few train cars and a bus.  Seriously, I feel for their families but these is really weak if you think about it.  my first feeling was Immedialty because of the Olympic decision and I care not that thats being ignored by very news agency in this country. 

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07-07-2005, 02:30 PM

I mean  if this was about G8, wouldnt they have attacked or bombed the crowd or actual singers/bands at these silly concerts on Saturday?  imagine the disruption or damge/casualties that would have caused.  Instead they bomb a few train cars and a bus.  Seriously, I feel for their families but these is really weak if you think about it.  my first feeling was Immedialty because of the Olympic decision and I care not that thats being ignored by very news agency in this country.Yes Wadd, dozens killed, thousands injured, international news coverage, international fear, change in US threat level...man, Al Queda really dropped the ball...someone's gonna get a real talking to at the next quarterly meeting...I've heard this argument dozens of times today...that Al Queda is weakening as the death toll drops...the fact that thousands didn't die today isn't an indication of anything other than Al Queda is still highly resourceful, capable and merciless.How anyone can equate a LOWER DEATH TOLL with WEAKNESS is beyond me...this particular cell may not have had access to the explosives or the know how to pull off as deadly an attack as the ones in Madrid or here but never the less they sure as hell scared the entire planet, so let's just keep things in perspective please. 

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sr71blackbird

07-07-2005, 02:45 PM

I think the goal of these attacks is to make the British citizens, who are already wary of their government's support of the US, put pressure on them to stop helping us.  This, I believe in their terrorist mindset will further and further isolate the US from any support.  Hopefully, this doesnt happen. 

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Heavy

07-07-2005, 02:48 PM

Yea, my point was that if they did this because of the G8, they wouldve done it at the concert.  I think this is because they got the olympics.  thats what I'm saying. 

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HBox

07-07-2005, 02:49 PM

I don't think we have to worry about Britain
pulling out of Iraq. They just had an election, Blair is still in
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Bulldogcakes

07-07-2005, 02:53 PM

Jeff, if you look at their previous attacks, this one's a step down. Khobar Towers<img width="309" height="250" border="0" src="http://www.cnn.com/interactive/world/0106/khobar.towers/3.khobar.towers.day.wide.2.jpg" /> USS Cole  <img width="273" height="205" border="0" src="http://weekly.ahram.org.eg/2000/514/uss-cole.jpg" />World Trade center <img width="250" height="250" border="0" src="http://nomayo.mu.nu/rubble01.jpg" /> Madrid<img width="300" height="200" border="0" src="http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/40625000/jpg/_40625015_rev_atochamadrid_ap.jpg" /> London<img width="203" height="152" border="0" src="http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41279000/jpg/_41279593_bus_top.jpg" />  Not
to minimize IN ANY WAY the suffering of todays victims, but previous
attacks took down entire buildings, and a heavily armored warship. These are much smaller in terms of explosives. 
Plus, I love the Brits attitude. They're so much more mature
about these things than we are. Bloomberg has a press conference saying
"Were doing everything we can to make you safe" The Brits I heard
interviewed were saying "This can happen despite our best efforts, were
not safe, and were still going to go about our lives." 


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07-07-2005, 02:55 PM

quote:I
think the goal of these attacks is to make the British citizens, who
are already wary of their government's support of the US, put pressure
on them to stop helping us. This, I believe in their terrorist mindset
will further and further isolate the US from any support. Hopefully, this doesnt happen. Nah,
those Brits are tough. If anything, they'll rally round Tony Blair and
run to the recruiting offices to kill the bastards who did this to them. 


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HBox

07-07-2005, 03:04 PM

I haven't been watching the cable news networks
today. If somebody has, please tell me there weren't talking heads
trying to score political points over this. 

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Bulldogcakes

07-07-2005, 03:21 PM

Oh please. I actually put on Sean Hannity today and counted 6
minutes before he started making direct, partisan attacks about this. What an asshole. 
That
being said, I do think its fairly obvious Al Quaeda is seriously
diminished. And that it may not even matter if we get Osama, if we can
dismantle the network. LIke what happened w/Abu Nidal. Both of which I had explained to me on NPR
(Leonard Lopate) this afternoon. <a href="http://www.wnyc.org/shows/lopate/episodes/07072005" target="blank">Link to listen</a>Very educational. Highly encouraged listen. Plus R+F are still in reruns 

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King Imp

07-07-2005, 03:26 PM

quote: Apparently some unknown islamic group claimed responsibility from Foxnews.com:A previously unknown group, "Secret Group of al Qaeda's Jihad in Europe," claimed responsibility in the name of Al Qaeda for the blasts, according to the Italian news agency ANSA. The group claimed the attack in a Web site posting and warned Italy and Denmark to withdraw their troops from Iraq and Afghanistan, ANSA said.   What the hell does England have to do with Italy or Denmark?  <img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/unsure.gif" border="0" /> It's almost as if they're just making up any bullshit story to justify their attacks now. As for the timing of this attack, I believe London was chosen for winning the Olympic bid. It's almost as if Al-Qaeda is saying "look how safe this place is." I wouldn't be surprised to find out that there were cells ready to attack any of the potential host cities. If France would have won, I wouldn't be shocked to hear that Paris was the one attacked today. Hopefully the bullshit finger pointing will stop now, or at least drop to a minimum and the countires can start working together again to fight this enemy like they did after 9/11.

HBox

07-07-2005, 03:38 PM

I'm not even sure there is an "Al-Qaeda" as we
know it anymore. It's probably more of a decentralized movement of
independently acting cells. Which makes them more dangerous in pulling
out things like today, but makes it more difficult for them to do
something on a large scale. At least I hope.And I've been
thinking for a while now that getting bin laden wouldn't really affect
the movement at large. Maybe if we got to him soon after 9/11 we could
have shook up things, but now it seems it would be nothing
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07-07-2005, 03:43 PM

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ChickenHawk

07-07-2005, 03:50 PM

quote:<hr color="cococo" align="left">Khobar Towers<img width="309" height="250" border="0" src="http://www.cnn.com/interactive/world/0106/khobar.towers/3.khobar.towers.day.wide.2.jpg" />ÿUSS Coleÿÿ<img width="273" height="205" border="0" src="http://weekly.ahram.org.eg/2000/514/uss-cole.jpg" />World Trade centerÿ<img width="250" height="250" border="0" src="http://nomayo.mu.nu/rubble01.jpg" />ÿMadrid<img width="300" height="200" border="0" src="http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/40625000/jpg/_40625015_rev_atochamadrid_ap.jpg" />ÿLondon<img width="203" height="152" border="0" src="http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41279000/jpg/_41279593_bus_top.jpg" />ÿÿ 

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Dirtybird12

07-07-2005, 04:00 PM

those bad guys really seem pissed. - subways are underground death traps. 

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Bulldogcakes

07-07-2005, 04:03 PM

Thats really unfair CH. Religion has fed, clothed, medicated and
sheltered more people than we'll ever count. Why should a radical,
criminal extremist define the group as a whole? Do you think Colin
Ferguson defines Blacks? Timothy McViegh represents Whites? 
Religious EXTREMISM has caused trouble, so have various political
movements. Communism alone probably killed more people than all
religions combined in the 20th century. Beware of EXTREMISM and
radicals in all forms. 

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SatCam

07-07-2005, 05:29 PM

Religion has also caused crusades and other wars.  I think you could argue both ways. Anyway, this really sucks and I hope they catch anyone who's responsible that's still alive and stick needles in their eyes.

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newport king

07-07-2005, 06:57 PM

I wish someone had a clear idea how to stop this. There is one thing i know and that although you may "kill the bastards that did this", you CAN NOT kill an idea. What I'd like to hear is muslim leaders condemning all these acts. I hear that in mosques that they are against all this, well they should get their ass on TV and show the world. Speak out against it. BDC said in his post, don't let extremeists represent an entire people....well where are the rest of the people denouncing this? The silence is deafening. I know this probably won't be a popular view but that's the way i feel and unfortunately i don't see any of this ever coming to an end.

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07-07-2005, 07:18 PM

blakjeezis

07-07-2005, 07:21 PM

the wonderful contributions of religion Could
we finally stop this, please? Do you realise how much of an ass you
sound when you say that? Can we all agree that this is like saying
"ahhh, the wonderful contributions of politics"? You're not breaking
any new ground; you're not impressing anyone with your amazing rational
mind that has overcome the crutch that all those ignorant believers
rely upon; most of all, you're not George fucking Carlin. You never
will be. Give it up. Flex that big ol' brain of yours and show some
original thought. Actually, you know what? Don't. I'm actually more afraid of what you might come up with on your own.

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07-07-2005, 07:38 PM

quote: I wish someone had a clear idea how to stop this. There is one thing i know and that although you may "kill the bastards that did this", you CAN NOT kill an idea. What I'd like to hear is muslim leaders condemning all these acts. I hear that in mosques that they are against all this, well they should get their ass on TV and show the world. Speak out against it. BDC said in his post, don't let extremeists represent an entire people....well where are the rest of the people denouncing this? The silence is deafening. I know this probably won't be a popular view but that's the way i feel and unfortunately i don't see any of this ever coming to an end.<img src="http://hometown.aol.com/bonedaddy5/images/newportking.jpg" border="0" /> Which does...what?  Make us feel better?  Making them sweat on the camera isn't going to magically make the nutjobs stop being any less insane.Demanding condemnation from the people not doing anything in the first place seems like an incredibly useless, and given the stakes, fatal waste of time. 

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newport king

07-07-2005, 08:20 PM

i mean for them to call a stop to this shit. point is they do this all in the name of their religion.  i just don't hear any of their "leaders" saying anything about any of this.<img src="http://hometown.aol.com/bonedaddy5/images/newportking.jpg" border="0" />

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TheMojoPin

07-07-2005, 08:26 PM

They don't follow the moderates, and typically view them as the enemy almost as much as non-Muslims.  Again, calling on the moderates to denounce the extremists is redundant and useless.

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ChickenHawk

07-07-2005, 08:30 PM

My bad, I take that back. Anyone who has followed my posts in similar discussions in the past knows that I'm not at all anti-religion. I'm anti-ABUSE of religion. It's all about interpretation and responsibility. Religion is like anything else: If handled responsibly, it can be a great thing... But when misused and poorly handled, it can lead to horrible things. It's true that religion, when twisted, has done a lot of bad. But, it's also true that religion has turned people's lives around, given people second chances, provided for the needy, provided a sense of community, and generally been a positive force in many people's lives. ...What I should've said was: "Ahhh... the wonderful contributions of Islam."

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07-07-2005, 10:01 PM

quote: My bad, I take that back. Anyone who has followed my posts in similar discussions in the past knows that I'm not at all anti-religion. I'm anti-ABUSE of religion. It's all about interpretation and responsibility. Religion is like anything else: If handled responsibly, it can be a great thing... But when misused and poorly handled, it can lead to horrible things. It's true that religion, when twisted, has done a lot of bad. But, it's also true that religion has turned people's lives around, given people second chances, provided for the needy, provided a sense of community, and generally been a positive force in many people's lives. ...What I should've said was: "Ahhh... the wonderful contributions of Islam." <img src="http://scripts.cgispy.com/image.cgi?u=ChickenHawk" border="0" /> HORDE KING FOREVER!!! ORACLE NEVER!!! <strike>Shock</strike> EMFAThis message was edited by ChickenHawk on 7-8-05 @ 12:32 AM <img src="http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/getaways/053096/image/bikeside.gif" border="0" /><-----------------   Pedal this way please,   

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07-07-2005, 10:11 PM

Cute.

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HBox

07-07-2005, 10:45 PM

<a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8501512/" target="_blank">Articles
like this pop up everytime something horrible happens. I find them
incredibly insulting, and it's a reason why everyone hates us. Do I
really need to read this to feel for the victims?</a> 

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FMJeff

07-08-2005, 01:14 AM

quote: <a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8501512/" target="_blank">Articles like this pop up everytime something horrible happens. I find them incredibly insulting, and it's a reason why everyone hates us. Do I really need to read this to feel for the victims?</a> <img src="http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/3254/sig7oo.jpg" border="0" /> huh, are we reading the same article? Looks like a fairly standard accounting of the deaths? which passages insult you? 

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newport king

07-08-2005, 02:42 AM

i think he means everytime something like this happens we get a death toll, and then a death toll for americans. as if an american life is worth more than someone from another country. i THINK thats what he meant.

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Bulldogcakes

07-08-2005, 03:10 AM

quote:quote: <a target="_blank" href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8501512/">Articles
like this pop up everytime something horrible happens. I find them
incredibly insulting, and it's a reason why everyone hates us. Do I
really need to read this to feel for the victims?</a> <img border="0" src="http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/3254/sig7oo.jpg" /> huh, are we reading the same article? Looks like a fairly standard accounting of the deaths? which passages insult you? 
 I
think what bugs H-Box is the same thing that bugs me about those
articles. That Americans only care about other Americans dying/injured.
You see that all the time, and I dont think its true thats all we care
about. Lowest common denomintor reporting. The Tsunami coverage, even
the Iraq coverage only counts the Americans who get killed. Iraqi
civilian deaths dont count, I guess. Me personally, I'd love to hear
how many insurgents we kill. Would make my day. 
 BTW-Those people who do only care about other Americans wont get
involved in any relief efforts, so who cares what they think anyway. 


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07-08-2005, 03:25 AM

Me personally, I'd love to hear how many insurgents we kill. Would make my day. Hard to tell since all that's left is mostly parts of bodies rather than complete corpses.

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FMJeff

07-08-2005, 03:53 AM

quote: i think he means everytime something like this happens we get a death toll, and then a death toll for americans. as if an american life is worth more than someone from another country. i THINK thats what he meant. <img src="http://hometown.aol.com/bonedaddy5/images/newportking.jpg" border="0" /> Look, I have issues with this country and its foreign policy, but I highly doubt the world hate us because we fucking report on our own casualties. Give me a break. I don't understand...is this not newsworthy, that fact that Americans have some skin in this incident? Should it NOT be reported? You're joking right? You don't think countries around the world reported on thier own deaths on 9/11? Good journalism requires a reporter to cover a story from every possible perspective. It's only through this that the general public can formulate a comprehensive viewpoint of the event. I personally WANT to know if Americans died in the bombings and g-d forbid, if I knew anyone personally....

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Knowledged_one

07-08-2005, 04:30 AM

Could someone explain how al Qaeda is weakening because more people didn't die.  Do you not realize this was not some 2 week operation.  These people have probably been planning and plotting this attack for more then a year.  Which means there is financial backing and careful collaboration please explain how this shows signs of weakening.  What needs to happen is Pakistan needs to open their borders to allow forces to pursue terrorists to eliminate them.And things will continue to look bad when we have the New York Post (our own press) calling Al Zarqawi a Jordanian Fighter not a terrorist last i checked fighter don't cut the heads off of innocents.

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angrymissy

07-08-2005, 05:12 AM

i heard a broadcast report that the US has invested 250 million in subway security... then i look at half a trillion 'and growing' being spent in Iraq and it just makes me think that we have made a big miscalculation and are stuck in the middle of a shitstorm I agree.  Why are we fighting the war on terror and Al Quieda in Iraq?  That money could be better spent elsewhere.

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badorties

07-08-2005, 05:54 AM

Could someone explain how al Qaeda is weakening because more people didn't die.  Do you not realize this was not some 2 week operation.  These people have probably been planning and plotting this attack for more then a year.  Which means there is financial backing and careful collaboration please explain how this shows signs of weakening.the thinking is with all that preparation and efffort, the attack's scope has lessened ... in 2001 for their efforts nad planning, they were able to pull off a lethal blow -- now with a more viligent public and means of (attempting) to prevent other plans ... it's really trying to find the slightest, brite spot in a very bleak war ...

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Meve

07-08-2005, 06:33 AM

Why are we fighting the war on terror and Al Quieda in Iraq?  That money could be better spent elsewhere....in Iran 

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Doctor Manhattan

07-08-2005, 06:54 AM

quote: Why are we fighting the war on terror and Al Quieda in Iraq?  That money could be better spent elsewhere.  That's a good question:This guy gave some good reasons before we went into Iraq:<img height="310" src="http://www.lindenreport.com/images/speeches/powell_un.jpg" width="410" border="0" />We needed to be saved from all this stuff:These slides and a lot more info can be found at <a href="http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/news/iraq/2003/iraq-030205-powell-un-17300pf.htm">http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/news/iraq/2003/iraq-030205-powell-un-17300pf.htm</a><img height="300" src="http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/news/iraq/2003/iraq-030205-powell-un-17300pf-40.jpg" width="400" border="0" /><img height="300" src="http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/news/iraq/2003/iraq-030205-powell-un-17300pf-12.jpg" width="400" border="0" /><img height="300" src="http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/news/iraq/2003/iraq-030205-powell-un-17300pf-13.jpg" width="400" border="0" /><img height="300" src="http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/news/iraq/2003/iraq-030205-powell-un-17300pf-20.jpg" width="400" border="0" /><img height="300" src="http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/news/iraq/2003/iraq-030205-powell-un-17300pf-21.jpg" width="400" border="0" />Of course, they haven't talked about this stuff since then. Now we went in to save the Iraqi people from Saddam, but nothing really connects him with 9/11 or any of the recent terrorist attacks. And Whenever Kerry mentioned this we kept talking about the Vietnam War, to which Kerry stupidly couldn't keep the focus on the bullshit Bush was spewing. <a href="http://www.xmradio.com/"><img src="http://scripts.cgispy.com/image.cgi?u=skw" border="0" /></a>

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Knowledged_one

07-08-2005, 07:03 AM

Yes now is  the time for partisan politics lets blame Powell and Bush because that convenient.  John Kerry lost get over it

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Doctor Manhattan

07-08-2005, 07:13 AM

Actually, I'm not a Democrat, not even close. I was in Full Support until the lies were made clear to me*. I think Kerry was stupid in his campain and that's why he lost what could have been an easy victory. This isn't about Party lines. This is about Bush not really going after the real terrorists. Iraq didn't attack us in 2001. People who are just too close to his family did. If we don't use our heads things like London's attack are never going to end.*The lies made clear to me are not based on anything other than what Bush/Powell told me before they went to war and what they told me after the "Mission Accomplished" speech. Using what I remember hearing directly from them, no outside influences, just their own words.<a href="http://www.xmradio.com/"><img src="http://scripts.cgispy.com/image.cgi?u=skw" border="0" /></a>

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Knowledged_one

07-08-2005, 07:17 AM

Then who are the real terrorists?  If we can't go into the countries to get them (Iran, Pakistan and Indonesia to name a fewA) then what good does it do.The real terrorists are the guys that fund the terrorists - why don't we seize funds from the Bank of Saudi Arabia or demand more to stop the funding of terrorists.  We fight by the rules they do not and until we the public accept that we have to break rules then it won't do any good.  And like i said we have our own press calling Zarqawi a f**king fighter no wonder we can't win the war

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Doctor Manhattan

07-08-2005, 07:26 AM

quote: Then who are the real terrorists?  If we can't go into the countries to get them (Iran, Pakistan and Indonesia to name a fewA) then what good does it do. The real terrorists are the guys that fund the terrorists - why don't we seize funds from the Bank of Saudi Arabia or demand more to stop the funding of terrorists.  That is exactly how I feel, I'm sorry if I didn't make my point clearly enough. I don't believe Bush went into Iraq to fight Terrorism. I do think he need to do EXACTLY what you descibe. But he won't. He wouldn't even let US authorites question Bin Landen's relatives (I don't think they had anything to do with 9/11, but if my Brother went on a killing spree, you know Police/FBI would like to just talk with me about him, maybe get some clues on where to find him)I don't mind a conservative president, I just don't like having one who is afraid to really fight the terrorist because of their ties to his family. If it wasn't Saudi's who attacked us on 9/11 and Saudi's who fund terrorists around the world, then Bush would have actually tried to stop them. <a href="http://www.xmradio.com/"><img src="http://scripts.cgispy.com/image.cgi?u=skw" border="0" /></a>

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TheMojoPin

07-08-2005, 07:26 AM

And like i said we have our own press calling Zarqawi a f**king fighter no wonder we can't win the warYou can beat this one into the ground if you'd like, but it doesn't make it any less of a flaming strawman.  You claim that we should take the fight to and focus on the "real terrorists," yet continually yourself focus mainly on pointless semantics.  Make up your mind.

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angrymissy

07-08-2005, 07:29 AM

Me personally, I'd love to hear how many insurgents we kill. Would make my day. I'd like to hear how many innocent Iraqi civillians have died.This isn't about Bush v. Kerry or Liberals v. Conservatives.  It's about Bush directing our resources to fight terrorism to a pointless war, instead of something that could HELP us AND the UK.  Taking Saddam out of power didn't do SHIT to stop terrorism here or abroad.

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Doctor Manhattan

07-08-2005, 07:33 AM

I'm sorry for diverting the topic from London. But Iraq was mentioned and it sickens me that it may not have happened, and many other people may not have died if it wasn't for Bush's lies. It also sickens me that Half the country doesn't care!

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walking joint

07-08-2005, 08:06 AM

I agree.  Why are we fighting the war on terror and Al Quieda in Iraq?  That money could be better spent elsewhere.so true.  i'm trying to buy a new house and could use as little as $400K or so to help me out.  

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TheMojoPin

07-08-2005, 08:09 AM

quote: I'm sorry for diverting the topic from London.  Actually, I'd like to say the same thing.On a completely unrelated and shallow note, I can't get rid of your font in my reply!  Damn these crappy tools...<img src="http://scripts.cgispy.com/image.cgi?u=TheMojoPin" border="0" /> 1979 << On the streets of your town... >> "You can tell some lies about the good times we've had, but I've kissed your mother twice...and now I'm working on your dad..."

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Meve

07-08-2005, 08:26 AM

quote:<img width="250" height="150" border="0" src="http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/news/iraq/2003/iraq-030205-powell-un-17300pf-12.jpg" /> 
 It
looks like they used Google Earth to get these images. I'm looking for
weapons of mass destruction right now. Ok I won't lie, I'm looking for
the oil. 


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Knowledged_one

07-08-2005, 09:22 AM

I'd like to hear how many innocent Iraqi civillians have died. - How do you want it broken down, the number of innocent Iraqi civillians that Sadamm killed compared to after the war started, because i gurantee that under Sadamm more were killed by 10 fold.This isn't about Bush v. Kerry or Liberals v. Conservatives.  It's about Bush directing our resources to fight terrorism to a pointless war, instead of something that could HELP us AND the UK.  Taking Saddam out of power didn't do SHIT to stop terrorism here or abroad. -  Where should the money go then, more foreign aid to countries that hate us and vote against us in the UN.  Hey i am all for fighting the problems we have in the US but our unemployment rate is now down to 5.0% compared with some of the European coutries who are well over 10%.  And how many terrorist strikes have we had against us here in the US since the war in Iraq i think the answer is 0 last i checked.  And last i checked freeing a whole country is not pointless.

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07-08-2005, 09:44 AM

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Knowledged_one

07-08-2005, 09:45 AM

Witty, and if assholes all over the country are looking for a mascot feel free to join up <img src="http://img.ranchoweb.com/images/aggie2323/celticssig.jpg" border="0" /> "Sure I wave the American flag. Do you know a better flag to wave? Sure I love my country with all her faults. I'm not ashamed of that, never have been, never will be." -- John Wayne

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Doctor Manhattan

07-08-2005, 09:54 AM

Now this isn't a bash fest. These are real questions I have in response to this. And I do think it's related to the london attack:quote:  And how many terrorist strikes have we had against us here in the US since the war in Iraq i think the answer is 0 last i checked.   Is there anything that really proves that the US war in Iraq has stopped any attacks in the US? There was about 2 years in between 9/11 and the start of the war in Iraq where there were no attacks in the US. And last i checked freeing a whole country is not pointless.Then why wasn't this one of the reasons given to the american public before the war started? We were told that Iraq was able to launch an attack on the US and we had to stop them before they bring the war here.

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ChickenHawk

07-08-2005, 10:06 AM

The only reason I don't buy the whole "freeing a country from saddam" thing is not because it's a coverup or an "excuse." I don't buy it because, even if it's the God honest 100% truth, I DON'T CARE ABOUT IRAQ BEING FREE. I care about Iraq being a threat to ME and to the US. And if it wasn't at the time we went to war, and it never was gonna be, DON'T KILL US TROOPS to "save an oppressed people." If we saved an oppressed people on TOP of destroying WMD's and making the US safer, then that's icing on the cake. Fantastic. But if that's ALL we accomplished, we could've saved thousands of young American lives and let the Iraqis deal with their shit government by themselves. There are COUNTLESS countries all around the world who are being oppressed and killed by their leaders. Why don't we go save ALL of them? Because that's not the only reason we went into Iraq. And if it was, it's not a good one.

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Knowledged_one

07-08-2005, 10:07 AM

The unfortunate thing with terrorist attacks is that you only really here about the ones that work.  There are probably a ton of things that are diverted that we never hear about.  However, the cell in Buffalo has been stopped, there was the guy who was trying to buy the cutters to cut bridge suspensions, the guy in florida with the ricin poison, and the guy and his son in California. Plus we stopped like 3 things prior to 2000 new years in Seattle i believe.And you are right that that reason was not given as a reason to go to war:  But if we went over chem weapons then you would have to call Hans Blix wrong, the head of the Carnegie International Peace Foundation ( i don't think this is the entire whole name), Kofi Annan and the rest of the people who all believed that there were chemical weapons.  Hell Iraq admitted in 1998 to producint 30 metric tons of chemical weapons.  Now it is true that we didnt find the weapons there.  But we did find over 40,000 bodies in mass graves in Iraq.  But again I will ask is freeing a country from a person who kills his own a worthless war?

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TheMojoPin

07-08-2005, 10:29 AM

But again I will ask is freeing a country from a person who kills his own a worthless war?Worthless?  No.  Did it help us?  I can't really see how.  In fact, it's done nothing but hurt us and our standing and power around the world.  It's great to suddenly try and paint this with comic book idealism of "destroying evil" and all that, but quite frankly, the world doesn't work like that.  It's not practical...like CH pointed out, what makes Iraq so special comapred to all the other countries with people being oppressed?  You can't just whitewash the whole debacle with some vague notion of "we saved the Iraqi people" when all that does is make us look like indecisive, lying hypocrites, and ESPECIALLY not when the Iraqi people are still living in a country where their chance of dying on a daily basis is comparable and sometimes HIGHER than it was under Saddam simple because we've taken over their country (and no, don't try and spin that like I said WE'VE killed them all).Is life in Iraq honestly better for the average Iraqi citizen since Saddam Hussein was removed from power?

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Doctor Manhattan

07-08-2005, 10:32 AM

quote: The unfortunate thing with terrorist attacks is that you only really here about the ones that work.  There are probably a ton of things that are diverted that we never hear about.  However, the cell in Buffalo has been stopped, there was the guy who was trying to buy the cutters to cut bridge suspensions, the guy in florida with the ricin poison, and the guy and his son in California. Plus we stopped like 3 things prior to 2000 new years in Seattle i believe.  That great, and I'm sure we don't know about the attacks that never happened, but you said "And how many terrorist strikes have we had against us here in the US since the war in Iraq i think the answer is 0 last i checked." which makes it sound like going to Iraq stopped terrorist strikes here in the US. I don't think it did.I would like to see Bush fighting Terrorists, not Dictators. <a href="http://www.xmradio.com/"><img src="http://scripts.cgispy.com/image.cgi?u=skw" border="0" /></a>

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Knowledged_one

07-08-2005, 10:34 AM

Like i said i am all for going after the terrorists but until we can go without any problems into Pakistan, Indonesia, Iran and the rest of these places then we do what we can.And i was not the one who tied this into the Iraqi War just for the record

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Recyclerz

07-08-2005, 11:48 AM

Actually, talking about Iraq is relevant to this thread. IMHO, not only is Iraq a distraction from the war on Islamic Fascists/Fascism (I'll use the Right-Wing's language here because this is one of the few times they're correct) but is, in fact, making it worse.Spencer Ackerman has a good piece on the New Republic website about the fact that the Iraq insurgency replaced the training camps in Afghanistan as the place where European and American jihadists are going to get training in the details of terrorism.  I can't link to the article because it's a pay site but here are two points he makes: quote: If such "self-activation" is, as terrorism experts believe, the next step of jihadist progress, it raises the disturbing prospect that future attacks against the West will be carried out by those who have gained a wealth of experience fighting U.S. forces in Iraq's western, Sunni-dominated Anbar province--the premier location for on-the-job terrorist training on the planet. The CIA calls this the "class of '05 problem." &   quote: Iraq is closing the loop between terrorist desire and terrorist ability. David Low, a senior U.S. intelligence official, recently observed to Dana Priest of The Washington Post that Iraq provides "a training ground, a recruitment ground, the opportunity for enhancing technical skills" to jihadists.  He also points out that European and American counterterrorism officials are quietly making known that an increasing number of "insurgents" being taken into custody by us in Iraq are in fact European (and recently 5 American) muslims looking to apprentice to al-Zarqawi to make their bones and get their terrorist union card. Now if we could be sure to kill them all over there it would be fine - but does anybody really think that's what happening over there? I didn't think so.  Even if we were killing half of the foreign jihadists streaming in, which seems wildly optimistic to me, those that make it back to their (our) homelands are more dangerous to the tenth power.So as usual, the Administration's policies are half-right in theory but completely ass-backwards in practice - Iraq is serving as a magnet to terrorists and wannabes but instead of making us safer our policies are putting us deeper in the shit.<img src="http://www.hometown.aol.com/recyclerz/myhomepage/sigpic1.gif?mtbrand=AOL_US" border="0" /> There ain't no asylum here. King Solomon, he never lived 'round here

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JerryTaker

07-08-2005, 02:11 PM

quote: 
 And how many
terrorist strikes have we had against us here in the US since the war
in Iraq i think the answer is 0 last i checked. 
   Holy Hell in a handbasket, just
because it's England, it "doesn't count?" This attack flies in
the face of everyone who said "We're fighting them there so they don't
attack here!" and proves that it isn't true. they see England the same
as Us, and the same as Isreal. Pull off your star-spangled glasses and
realize that the world outside of the US isn't just someting on TV.By
The way, WE, the US, are the only ones making a big deal about this
attack, England is used to it, from the German Bombings of WWII, to 20
years of IRA bombings. (hey, Catholic terroists, whoda thunk?)
They really don't see it as a "big deal" yet to continue to spout,
"there've been no Islamic terror attacks in the US since we went into
Iraq is a complete load of partisan crapRemember, there were 8
1/2 years between terror attacks (from Muslim Fundamentalists) on the
US. 9/11 was less than 4 years ago, so stop calling those boiled
eggs poultry... 

 
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Heavy

07-08-2005, 02:29 PM

I think its great how people that know full well they were sold a load of shit goods now have trained themselves to ignore the fact that the new load of shit, is in fact a load of shit.  

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Bulldogcakes

07-08-2005, 04:18 PM

quote: Worthless?
No. Did it help us? I can't really see how. In fact, it's done nothing
but hurt us and our standing and power around the world. Its much more complicated than anyone's making it, but here goes. First,
Iraq wasn't about WMDs, freeing the people or all the other horseshit.
Its about having a foothold in the region to influence and pressure the
less than stable regimes next door (Iran/Syria) that are supporting
terrorism. The idea is to get these regimes to Democratize, then have a
domino effect throughout the region. Just like Eastern Europe.
Remember, these are the neo-cons who cut their teeth in Reagan's white
house during the 80's. We'll see how it works this time.  But its
worth trying, and doing nothing after 9/11 was no longer a realistic
option. 
Second is the pullout you see in Israel and Palestinian
statehood would have never happened with Saddam still on the table.
Israel wouldn't even talk about it. Now its scheduled to happen this
month in the Gaza, part 2 in the West Bank later if all goes well.
Palestinian statehood is a major thorny issue in the region, and its a
step closer to happening. And wait till you see how pissed off the
Israeli settlers are and how hard it'll be trying to get them to leave.
Wont be easy. They are some of the most right wing types in all of
Israel, and some have been there for generations. has already cost
Sharon his coalition, and likely any chance of re-election. Stay tuned.
 But I'm not saying even if
all goes perfect we wont still have terrorist attacks from time to
time. They're too easy to carry out, especially the smaller ones like
what happened this week. Its like crime, you cant completely get rid of
it, but you can prevent alot of it once you have some of the "big"
things taken care of. Like some friendly regimes who'll actually work
with us over there. Its not rocket science, we need to infiltrate these
groups. The more friends over there, the better. But thats a loooooong
way off. 
 
 quote:Is life in Iraq honestly better for the average Iraqi citizen since Saddam Hussein was removed from power? 

 
Yes. If you're fimiliar
w/his regime and have heard what most Iraqis are saying today, its no
contest. especially in the Kurdish North and Shia South. Remember that most of the fighting is going on in the Sunni
areas, and most of the insurgents are old Baath party types trying to
regain power. I think it was their plan from day 1 to fight a guerilla
war. 

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Bulldogcakes

07-09-2005, 11:03 AM

You know, I hope the Iraq war isn't our generations Vietnam. Get 5 baby
boomers in a room, say "Vietnam" and you'll start a fight within a
minute. Same thing with Jews and Israel. I hope this works out
eventually for the good. I have no desire to keep arguing this forever.
And I'm amazed at how people are still arguing whether or not we should
be there. We are, now what? 

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07-09-2005, 02:59 PM

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booster11373

07-09-2005, 05:26 PM

Interesting thoughts taken from a blogit is essential that the Muslim world wake up to the fact that it has a jihadist death cult in its midst. If it does not fight that death cult, that cancer, within its own body politic, it is going to infect Muslim-Western relations everywhere. Only the Muslim world can root out that death cult. It takes a village.<a title="link to the blog this is taken from" href="http://buzzmachine.com/archives/2005_07_08.html#010018" target="_self">http://buzzmachine.com/archives/2005_07_08.html#010018</a>

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