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Bulldogcakes

07-19-2005, 03:50 PM

OK, all you Social Conservatives and Bush hating Liberals. Its showtime!!! 
Get into your respective, predictable corners and have your reflexive assumptions at the ready! Both of you! 
9:00 Tonight he announces his new Court nominee. drumroll please. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 

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Bama

07-19-2005, 03:54 PM

I predict it will be John G. Roberts.  

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HBox

07-19-2005, 03:55 PM

<a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8625492/" target="_self">Wow, where did you get that from Kreskin?</a> 

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Bulldogcakes

07-19-2005, 03:58 PM

Thanks for the link H-Box. Tactically, I think this prime time
announcement is smart. Put a face all of America will see on this
debate, before the demonization campaign begins. Smart Politics. 

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HBox

07-19-2005, 04:02 PM

A description from Slate:[quote]John Roberts Age: 50 Graduated from: Harvard Law School. He clerked for: Judge Henry Friendly, Chief Justice William Rehnquist. He
used to be: associate counsel to the president for Ronald Reagan,
deputy solicitor general for George H.W. Bush, partner at Hogan &
Hartson. He's now: a judge on the U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit (appointed 2003). His
confirmation battle: Roberts has been floated as a nominee who could
win widespread support in the Senate. Not so likely. He hasn't been on
the bench long enough for his judicial opinions to provide much
ammunition for liberal opposition groups. But his record as a lawyer
for the Reagan and first Bush administrations and in private practice
is down-the-line conservative on key contested fronts, including
abortion, separation of church and state, and environmental protection. Civil Rights and Liberties For
a unanimous panel, denied the weak civil rights claims of a 12-year-old
girl who was arrested and handcuffed in a Washington, D.C., Metro
station for eating a French fry. Roberts noted that "no one is very
happy about the events that led to this litigation" and that the Metro
authority had changed the policy that led to her arrest. (Hedgepeth v.
Washington Metropolitan Area Transit Authority, 2004). In
private practice, wrote a friend-of-the-court brief arguing that
Congress had failed to justify a Department of Transportation
affirmative action program. (Adarand Constructors, Inc. v. Mineta,
2001). For Reagan, opposed a congressional effort—in the wake of
the 1980 Supreme Court decision Mobile v. Bolden—to make it easier for
minorities to successfully argue that their votes had been diluted
under the Voting Rights Act. Separation of Church and State For
Bush I, co-authored a friend-of-the-court brief arguing that public
high-school graduation programs could include religious ceremonies. The
Supreme Court disagreed by a vote of 5-4. (Lee v. Weisman, 1992) Environmental Protection and Property Rights Voted
for rehearing in a case about whether a developer had to take down a
fence so that the arroyo toad could move freely through its habitat.
Roberts argued that the panel was wrong to rule against the developer
because the regulations on behalf of the toad, promulgated under the
Endangered Species Act, overstepped the federal government's power to
regulate interstate commerce. At the end of his opinion, Roberts
suggested that rehearing would allow the court to "consider alternative
grounds" for protecting the toad that are "more consistent with Supreme
Court precedent." (Rancho Viejo v. Nortion, 2003) For Bush I,
argued that environmental groups concerned about mining on public lands
had not proved enough about the impact of the government's actions to
give them standing to sue. The Supreme Court adopted this argument.
(Lujan v. National Wildlife Federation, 1990) Criminal Law Joined
a unanimous opinion ruling that a police officer who searched the trunk
of a car without saying that he was looking for evidence of a crime
(the standard for constitutionality) still conducted the search
legally, because there was a reasonable basis to think contraband was
in the trunk, regardless of whether the officer was thinking in those
terms. (U.S. v. Brown, 2004) Habeas Corpus Joined a unanimous
opinion denying the claim of a prisoner who argued that by tightening
parole rules in the middle of his sentence, the government subjected
him to an unconstitutional after-the-fact punishment. The panel
reversed its decision after a Supreme Court ruling directly
contradicted it. (Fletcher v. District of Columbia, 2004) Abortion For
Bush I, successfully helped argue that doctors and clinics receiving
federal funds may not talk to patients about a

Bama

07-19-2005, 04:03 PM

He apparently argued before the Supreme Court that Roe v. Wade should be overturned. This will be interesting.  

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HBox

07-19-2005, 04:05 PM

Yeah, this guy sounds like a winner. 

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TheMojoPin

07-19-2005, 04:11 PM

quote: He apparently argued before the Supreme Court that Roe v. Wade should be overturned. This will be interesting.  <img src="http://www.ronfez.net/imagestorage/bamanation.jpg" border="0" /> Atlanta Braves FOREVER....... It was a brief he wrote.  Here is what he's said on the matter...In his defense, Roberts told senators during his 2003 confirmation hearing that he would be guided by legal precedent. “Roe v. Wade is the settled law of the land. ... There is nothing in my personal views that would prevent me from fully and faithfully applying that precedent.”...so let's not start pissing our pants/sucking each other's dicks just yet. 

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Bama

07-19-2005, 04:11 PM

I read that part. Doesn't mean everyone else will. Thus... "this will be interesting." No one is gonna be talking about Rove thanks to this guy. 
 Ya gotta give POTUS credit for that much. 

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Bulldogcakes

07-19-2005, 04:14 PM

H-Box, most of what you posted suggests nothing about his personal
views on any of those issues. If you WORK FOR the Reagan and Bush
administrations, you do what the White House wants you to. Sometimes
wholeheartedly agreeing with it, sometimes against your personal
opinions. As to his Judicial rulings, to make a snap judgement about a ruling without seeing the facts of the case is senseless. 

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Bama

07-19-2005, 04:15 PM

Before 1,000 people chime in. I'll say this.  I'm not worried that the sky is falling. 
That's gonna be the story. That's all I'm saying. 


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HBox

07-19-2005, 04:17 PM

All I know is I've heard from Day One that this guy
is one of the biggest conservative extremists he could nominate and
everything I've seen so far at this juncture (and I did read some about
him before he was nominated, so I'm not going on 10 minutes of info
here) supports that.And the religious stuff is what I'm most afraid of. 

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Bulldogcakes

07-19-2005, 04:21 PM

You know, I thought with that snotty little opening I did for this
thread, I would push people a little more to the middle. Oh well. I
tried. 

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Bama

07-19-2005, 04:30 PM

This guy is 50, he could be there for 30 years.That's gonna be a problem too. 

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eldangerosso

07-19-2005, 04:33 PM

quote:And the religious stuff is what I'm most afraid of. 

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07-19-2005, 05:02 PM

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new face of evil. Hitler lives. Sure he looks like a "Father Knows
Best" type, but underneath those robes is a "Conservative Extremist"
who wants to impose his God on all non believers.   

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Alice S. Fuzzybutt

07-19-2005, 05:07 PM

I don't care what anyone says, I think she'd kick ass:<img height="230" src="http://www.thinkingoutloud.biz/archives/home/annettec/public_html/images/judgejudy.jpg" width="273" border="0" />

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torker

07-19-2005, 05:10 PM

Bob Roberts!?!  <img height="187" src="http://members.iconn.net/~ab234/Links/BOBR.JPG" width="313" border="0" />He's further to the right than BDC<img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/wub.gif" border="0" />

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Bama

07-19-2005, 05:13 PM

I'll be interested to see the coverage on this guy in the coming days.
Some people are saying he's a hard core conservative and others are
saying there is a danger he might be a Souter type because of so few
decisions. 

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angrymissy

07-19-2005, 05:15 PM

As Deputy Solicitor General, Roberts argued in a brief before the Supreme Court that "we continue to believe that Roe was wrongly decided and should be overruled. The Court’s conclusion in Roe that there is a fundamental right to an abortion...finds no support in the text, structure, or history of the Constitution."** As Deputy Solicitor General, Roberts filed an amicus curiae brief in NOW's case against Operation Rescue — in support of Operation Rescue, of course and in support of named individuals who routinely blocked access to clinics. At the Supreme Court level, that case was called Bray v. Alexandria Women's Health Clinic (it was NOW v. Operation Rescue at the trial and appellate levels). The brief argued that the protesters’ behavior did not discriminate against women and that blockades and clinic protests were protected speech under the First Amendment. The case helped us push congressional passage of the Freedom of Access to Clinic Entrances (FACE) Act. 

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DarkHippie

07-19-2005, 05:47 PM

Eh, he's no better or worse than what I expected.  The dems won't fillibusterEven though it sucks, its the president's right to nominate any asshole he wants.

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Bulldogcakes

07-19-2005, 05:50 PM

quote:I'll be interested to see the coverage on this guy in the coming days.
Some people are saying he's a hard core conservative and others are
saying there is a danger he might be a Souter type because of so few
decisions. 
 He's allowed to be a
Conservative, believe it or not. Clinton appointed two Liberals. And
Bush won the election. I think since he's from conservative Washington
circles, they know what they're getting. Souter was an outsider. Even
Chuck Schumer was complimentary of him. Saying his "intellect" and
"demeanor" were highly qualified. He just wanted him to answer
questions at his confirmation hearing. Which is fair, assuming the
questions are fair. He (Schumer) also described him as a "middle"
choice, meaning some candidates would have been bitterly opposed,
others would sail through. He's somewhere in the middle according to
him. He gets the 55 Republican votes, and 3 Democrats have already
voted for him for the court of appeals. He needs 60. He'll get in. 

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Bulldogcakes

07-19-2005, 05:59 PM

quote: As Deputy Solicitor General, Roberts argued in a brief before the Supreme Court that "we continue to believe that Roe was wrongly decided and should be overruled. The Court’s conclusion in Roe that there is a fundamental right to an abortion...finds no support in the text, structure, or history of the Constitution."** As Deputy Solicitor General, Roberts filed an amicus curiae
brief in NOW's case against Operation Rescue — in support of Operation
Rescue, of course and in support of named individuals who routinely
blocked access to clinics. At the Supreme Court level, that case was
called Bray v. Alexandria Women's Health Clinic (it was NOW v. Operation Rescue
at the trial and appellate levels). The brief argued that the
protesters’ behavior did not discriminate against women and that
blockades and clinic protests were protected speech under the First
Amendment. The case helped us push congressional passage of the Freedom
of Access to Clinic Entrances (FACE) Act.   
Do you even know what the Solicitor General does? He's handed the case
files and presents the case to the Court. It has nothing to do with his
personal beliefs whatsoever. It only has to do with the case itself.
They attempt to present an argument which they think the court will
accept, based on the case itself. Has nothing to do with his personal views, any
more than if you hire a lawyer, and he argues your case before a judge,
but may personally believe you're guilty. This is just a political
cheap shot, preying on the ignorance of the public. Shameful. 
 

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TheMojoPin

07-19-2005, 06:04 PM

Yeah, people are really blowing the brief up huge.  The guy is allowed to have personal beliefs.  He's gone out of his way to express that Roe vs. Wade is the law and he'll uphold it.  People can disagree with it and still understand why it's legal...so be cool.  A conservative on the bench isn't the automatic end of the world any more than having a liberal drop in.

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Bulldogcakes

07-19-2005, 06:19 PM

And BTW lets take the absolute nuclear Roe vs Wade scenario. Bush
appoints two conservative justices who overturn Roe. You know what
happens?In New York/New jersey/Washington DC? Nothing. Nothing changes whatsoever. All
that overturning Roe means is abortion gets thrown back to the States.
It has widespread support in the Northeast and West Coast. So nothing
changes. In the Bible belt, they'd be able to restrict it if they chose
to do so at the Legislative level. Those legislators would then have to run
on being the ones who banned abortion in their States. Which is enough
to turn out ALL the moderates and women in their State and get their
asses thrown out. Most politicians dont have the balls to do something
that radical. Most likely? Some restrictions in the South, but still
legal there. Personally, I think the horse is LONG out of
the barn on Roe v Wade. It's tough to take a right AWAY from the
public. Ask Gorbechev how that works out. Worst case scenario? Very
little changes, and nothing where I live.As usual in Wasington, much ado about nothing 

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TheMojoPin

07-19-2005, 06:29 PM

BDC is a wise, wise man.

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HBox

07-19-2005, 06:44 PM

Why is this all about abortion? Take a look at the
rest of his record. That's what troubles me. I really hope this isn't
all it boils own to. Roberts proves to everyone he won't overturn Roe
and nobody cares about anything else. 

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WRESTLINGFAN

07-19-2005, 06:55 PM

Even though there is going to be alot of tough questions from the Democrats, especially from Kennedy, Schumer and Durbin just to name a few, It wont be the slugfest  like when Bork was nominated

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Knowledged_one

07-20-2005, 04:42 AM

I would be more interested to know what his views are on privacy and things like that.  I think the privacy issues and his views on the patriot act and the powers it allows should be the focus of his nominations.  We should not be short sided and look to past issues privacy/technology/personal identity/patriot act will be the things that will drive the court 5 years from now.

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07-20-2005, 04:46 AM

quote: It wont be the slugfest  like when Bork was nominated I think Björk would make a great judge... <img height="300" src="http://www.musicmatic.de/B/Bjoerk_2a.jpg" width="300" border="0" /> 

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07-20-2005, 07:03 AM

quote:quote: It wont be the slugfest like when Bork was nominated I think Björk would make a great judge... <img width="300" height="300" border="0" src="http://www.musicmatic.de/B/Bjoerk_2a.jpg" /> 

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FMJeff

07-20-2005, 12:17 PM

I would support this nominee if Rehnquist retires and they get a liberal judge to balance the court ala the West Wing. It's scary how TV emulates real life sometimes...

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