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Skellington

07-22-2005, 06:15 AM

So I got a new car 2 weeks ago, and over the weekend, i got my 15th speeding ticket.  Did you know...that a cop can be driving on the opposite side of the median from you....pass you.....make a U-Turn OVER the grass median and give you a speeding ticket for doing 67 in a 45?  Yeah, apparently, it's possible.  And it happened.  I was not aware that radar could be traveling towards you on the opposite side of the median *big median, it's algonkian parkway* and they could clock you from their moving vehicle......

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07-22-2005, 06:16 AM

Not speeding is also a thought

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07-22-2005, 06:19 AM

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Skellington

07-22-2005, 06:20 AM

quote: Not speeding is also a thought  ....i haven't gotten a ticket in almost 3 years, i've done the no speeding thing.  <img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/wacko.gif" border="0" />

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JPMNICK

07-22-2005, 06:23 AM

I do not think that they can do that. at least in NJ, i am 99% positive they do not use that technology. I have no idea where you live, so I am not sure. You should def. go and fight it though.  And holy shit, 15 speeding tickets, have you ever lost your license? how much do you pay in insurance?

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07-22-2005, 06:36 AM

quote: I do not think that they can do that. at least in NJ, i am 99% positive they do not use that technology. I have no idea where you live, so I am not sure. You should def. go and fight it though. You did not think they had the technology to point a radar gun at you? Was it a handheld device? They can point it anywhere they want to. How wide is the median? Do you think that would put your car out of range?Skellington, If you really weren't speeding (or not speeding as much as the ticket says) You should fight it. You can request to find out how long it's been since the device was calibrated, and NJ law may helo you out if it's not within the specified time.  

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Knowledged_one

07-22-2005, 06:48 AM

I think it works on the principles of the Doppler Effect so they can set up and calibrate it from anywhere.  And if you were speeding suck it up and pay the fine

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fezident

07-22-2005, 07:05 AM

As someone that lost his license due to unpaid fines, I implore you.....PAY THE FINE. IN FULL. IMMEDIATELY.

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Dirtybird12

07-22-2005, 07:08 AM

I think Skellington is in DC or VA.Yeah - the fuzz CAN  flip the U. I recall a state trooper telling me that the "new" radar guns can detect speeds from any direction. That was in 02...next time don't stop. Out run the law like The Duke Boys!

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JPMNICK

07-22-2005, 07:32 AM

a normal radar gun will not work. it needs to be stationary. if the car is moving, its a whole different type of technolgy. i do not think they have implimented this in NJ yet. therefore, a moving cop can not get an accurate reading if he is moving

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zathrus

07-22-2005, 07:58 AM

please tell me that this wasn't your 15th ticket in a 2 week period? 

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Death Metal Moe

07-22-2005, 08:07 AM

I got 1 speeding ticket about 4 years ago now, couldn't afford that and stopped speeding completely.You didn't speed for 3 years, why did you start now?  Stop speeding.  You're probably that guy that tailgates me in the slow lane when you can't get around someone in the middle or fast lane.  You're life isn't that important that you need to speed.  You're trying to get somewhere like the rest of us.

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07-22-2005, 09:14 AM

Looks like someone is getting a radar detector for their b-day.

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JPMNICK

07-22-2005, 09:21 AM

i also never speed for the same reason as Moe. I do not want to have to pay the higher premiums on my insurance, which is already high just because I am male. 

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Snoogans

07-22-2005, 07:10 PM

2 things i have a problem with here.1 Did you know...that a cop
can be driving on the opposite side of the median from you....pass
you.....make a U-Turn OVER the grass median and give you a speeding
ticket for doing 67 in a 45? 
 how do you go about getting a license without
knowing that 67 in a 45 will get you pulled over. And if a cop is on
his way to stop someone, he can pretty much break any traffic law he
wants so long as his car is not a violation, IE busted headlight or
what not.the second thing is, i think you are a liar. This is
obviously based on New Jersey, but I know its pretty similar all over
the country.Minimum points on a speeding ticket is 2. 12 points
gets your license suspended, and you only lose 1 point when you go a
full year without a violation, meaning for you to get 15 tickets and
not lose your license, it woulda taken you like 25-30 years. 6 1-9 MPH
over tickets will get you suspended. In new jersey, 67 in a 45 in New
Jersey would be 6 points, prob pled down to 4 points, 2 if you are
really lucky. Point being, you dont have 15 speeding tickets, not that
stood up in court anyway 

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fiestygal

07-22-2005, 07:27 PM

i got a ticket for driving BEHIND a cop...long story it was probably another cop who  gave you a ticket...or the other cop radioed for another cop to get you

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Snoogans

07-22-2005, 07:30 PM

actually it was probably the same cop. most dont use radar anymore.
they have a laser gun. all they have to do is hit your car with it, no
matter who is moving in what direction.and the reason you got a
ticket from behind is, if its like Mahwah, the cops up here have laser
in the front and perminant radar from the back of the car too now.
Thats why cops can pull you over and know how fast you are moving if
they are stopped and you come up from behind them 

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07-22-2005, 07:52 PM

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07-22-2005, 09:54 PM

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RonMexico

07-22-2005, 10:04 PM

you definately want to take care of shit immediately, otherwise it fucks you up.Like
when i got herpes, i let it go and didnt take care of it right away.
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Mike Teacher

07-23-2005, 02:44 AM

So I got a new car 2 weeks ago, and over the weekend, i got my 15th speeding ticket.  Did you know...that a cop can be driving on the opposite side of the median from you....pass you.....make a U-Turn OVER the grass median and give you a speeding ticket for doing 67 in a 45? =try not driving like an asshole and this might not happen, 67 in a 45 zone is being an asshole, I dont care who it is. And saying you haven't gotten a ticket for speeding in three years right after saying you got one two days ago... well, again: try being honest with yourself about this. It's about your horrific driving, not the police. 

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Bulldogcakes

07-23-2005, 05:07 AM

Please keep speeding, but just do me one favor. When you get in your
inevitible accident, the one you couldn't possibly anticipate due to
your speed, just swerve away from the car in front of you (The one with
the Mom, 3 kids and newborn baby) and into the nearest tree. 

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07-23-2005, 05:16 AM

Bulldogcakes

07-23-2005, 06:44 AM

And as someone who TRIES to drive safely and has still had a few accidents, tempting fate is just nuts. So much shit can happen that you cant even anticipate.  

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FUNKMAN

07-23-2005, 07:00 AM

i got a ticket for driving BEHIND a cop...long storyi almost got a ticket for driving in FRONT of a cop...  it was 1 am and i was in the left lane on Rte 33 going towards Freehold. I couldn't tell it was a cop behind me and after so many miles he pulled me over.   He asked me why I was driving in the left lane and i told him the truth "the left lane is smoother". On that road it is, i drive it home from work every night.  He probably realized i was telling the truth or just wasn't expecting that answer, he got speechless for approx 5 to 10 seconds then let me go on my way... 

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Snoogans

07-23-2005, 09:04 AM

i dont mind speeding. In fact, i do it quite a bit myself. But i dont
do it like an asshole. I dont think ive ever gone 67 in a 45 since like
the first week i had my license when i was a dumb bastard. On the
highways from time to time ill go 80-90, but i only do it when its
open. I wont weave to speed or shit like that, though occasionally i
will flash people who are going overly slow, which is also very
dangerous on a highway 

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Bulldogcakes

07-23-2005, 03:32 PM

Well one huge difference in this is the roads you're driving on. If
you're on Rte 80 in Central Jersey, you probably shouldn't even have a
limit. Cause the road is straight, visibilty is good and you have alot
of lanes to work with. And traffic is usually light. But in more
heavily populated suburban areas or in the city forget about it. You're
just asking to get killed, or kill someone else. I have no desire to
speed anymore, anyway. Even on those wide open roads. Not worth it. Of
the many accidents I've had, most were shit I couldn't anticipate at
all. Hit from behind, the side. Someone stopped in the road just as you
come around a bend. Not worth it. Like Moe said to save what, two
minutes? 


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Snoogans

07-23-2005, 04:40 PM

If you're on Rte 80 in Central Jersey,  then
you have some motherfucking talent, because route 80 doesnt go through
central, it goes through north, and very north at that 

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07-24-2005, 05:06 AM

No need to drive fast. If you're important, people will wait for you.

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07-24-2005, 05:30 AM

The scenerio you are discribing in the original post is the easiest to beat.  Do some research on radar guns and you will get a plausible defense and beat the ticket.  This just happened to my old lady and we got out of it. And come on people, eveybody speeds.

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El Mudo

07-24-2005, 09:20 AM

I hate getting pulled over at night, when they put that incredibly bright light on, so you can't see the cop walk up to your car...

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07-24-2005, 09:21 AM

thats how 1 of 2 ways you can pick up the unmark's. the light and the fact that the license plate says municipal 

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Skellington

07-25-2005, 11:58 AM

quote: Please keep speeding, but just do me one favor. When you get in your inevitible accident, the one you couldn't possibly anticipate due to your speed, just swerve away from the car in front of you (The one with the Mom, 3 kids and newborn baby) and into the nearest tree. Wow, are you the same soccer mom in the van with all the screaming spawn that distract your driving so that you wing you van into my car?  i thought so.Actually, i was younger when i aquired a blunt of my tickets.  Doing 80-90mph was fun.  I've paid many lawyer fees to keep my ass out of jail, and yes, i used to have insurance that was high.  Just like any young person, you get a BIG thrill out of speeding.  Most of the time i really do not realize i'm doing it because all the roads i drive on are HUGE and full of people speeding.  This road is on the way to my house, it's 4 lanes.  (2 lanes, median, 2 lanes)  It's straight.  I just got a brand spankin' new car 2 weeks prior, i can't feel my speed yet.  I can't feel anything really, i just watch the RPM's go up if i'm paying attention to that.  Since i JUST got the car, i can't use cruise control yet, which i have been doing for the past 3 years to avoid this.  lazy sunday afternoon, went out to get videos, was driving home merrily and just not paying attention.  No one else on the road.  If there is traffic, i don't speed, i keep up.  I never weave *except when i get my dreads in, hardy har har*  This was just a lack of me paying attention, and something to laugh about.  I've never been in a accident.  Except when i was on a motorcycle and some bitch in a explorer with 3 kids merged onto me and my bike because she was DEALING WITH HER KIDS!Go ahead, wish death on me.  I already had cancer and now have a tumor in my thyroid and i'm 24.  It will be a blessing.  Thanks.

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Snoogans

07-25-2005, 12:02 PM

why does everyone feel the need to try to make everyone else feel bad
about them when they are in an arguement, if you have points, make
them, but stop throwing guilt trips into posts. alot of people do it,
and it makes me feel less for them when they seemingly ask for sympathy 

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Skellington

07-25-2005, 12:09 PM

quote:I really didn't even want to go down this road because it's a predictable argument, but it's the truth.  You might damn near kill me because you gotta get to the bar faster?  Fuck you.  I obey the limits, why don't you?  And if you don't, be man enough to accept the consequences.  It's not like you said "I got my 1st speeding ticket and it was unwarranted." you said it's your 15th and you're a cronic speeder.  sunday afternoon, no one on road = i'm not killing anyone but myself if a small woodland creature jumps in front of me.  Jesus christ people, i realize what i did.  I was putting the word out that a cop can drive opposite of you and pull you over for speeding.  in northern VA/DC, i have yet to drive around anyone that drives the limit OR uses their f-in turn signals.  i've gotten alot of tickets, i've talked my way out of alot in court or hired a lawyer to do so for me.  it is possible to get 15 tickets over a 10 year period.  In Va, if you get a certain amount of points in a 18 month period, then you get a suspended license.  But since i got to driving school one a year, i kinda defer that.....  I used to pay $4000 a year on a 99 honda civic ex because of my habit.  I'm turning 25 and i pay $152 a month on my current car.  October my record will be clean, november i turn 25, january when i renew, i should have cheap ass insurance, as long as i go to court and plead with the judge that i've cleaned up my act and this was a fuck up on my part of just not paying attention.....Anyway, whatever happened to just coming here to bitch whine moan and complain...with normal beratement and not this old fogy "slow down you whipper snapper!"   If i wanted a lecture on killing people by my own hand, i'd talk to my manager.

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Snoogans

07-25-2005, 12:12 PM

it is possible to get 15 tickets over a 10 year period. you are 24, what the hell state gives out licneses at 14?  YOU ARE SO FULL OF SHIT YOU MAKE THE SEWER LOOK CLEAN 

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Skellington

07-25-2005, 12:15 PM

quote: why does everyone feel the need to try to make everyone else feel bad about them when they are in an arguement, if you have points, make them, but stop throwing guilt trips into posts. alot of people do it, and it makes me feel less for them when they seemingly ask for sympathy Eh, sorry to throw it out, i'm a little bit annoyed and bitter today.  Having someone i don't know wish me to wrap my car around a tree didn't help.  I was posting to get if off my mind, to kinda kick myself in the ass, and to possible figure out just how the hell someone moving in the opposite direction of you can tact down how fast you were going.  People get personal and throw their kids in the convo and themselves, when all i was driving on was a open road with no other people, merrily to bring home the video i just rented to appease my roommate:  9 dead gay guys.It's all flying monkeys at this point.

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Jennitalia

07-25-2005, 12:15 PM

last time i got pulled over was for cutting off a cop at the annsville circle.  I think i was speeding.   i was dolled up and on my way to a party, and my boobs were able to get me out of a ticket

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ChrisTheCop

07-25-2005, 12:16 PM

I'm sure if skellington uses the above excuse in court, any reasonable judge will let him go. I mean, those cruise control thingys are tricky...the buttons keep moving all over the place...2 weeks is really not enough time to figure them out. And 67 feels EXACTLY like 45,doesnt it? I blame the manufacturer, there should be bells and whistles going off whenever you violate the law. Stupid cop, couldnt he read the registration? Look when it was issued! 2 weeks ago! 2 WEEKS! Any idiot knows thats not enough time to learn the rules of the road as they apply to a new car...or a rental for that matter. Skell, congrats on winning the fight against cancer. Now go out and run over some nuns, so that they too can feel the joy of beating death...if theyre lucky.and JENN...did u happen to measure that cop's nightstick???<img src="http://rfcop.50megs.com/images/jersey_rich-fluffernutter_sigpic.gif" border="0" />jersernutter productions

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Skellington

07-25-2005, 12:17 PM

quote:  quote: it is possible to get 15 tickets over a 10 year period.   you are 24, what the hell state gives out licneses at 14?  YOU ARE SO FULL OF SHIT YOU MAKE THE SEWER LOOK CLEAN In va, i got my license at 15 and a half, i turn 25 in novemeber.  fine, 15 tickets in 9.5 fucking year period assclown.  it still happened, it's still possible.  I'LL BITE YOUR LEGS OFF! 

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Snoogans

07-25-2005, 12:17 PM

hot damn, chris the cop, she did it, thats the one you want 

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Snoogans

07-25-2005, 12:18 PM

In va, i got my license at
15 and a half, i turn 25 in novemeber.  fine, 15 tickets in 9.5 fucking
year period assclown.  it still happened, it's still possible.  I'LL
BITE YOUR LEGS OFF! so hot 

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Skellington

07-25-2005, 12:21 PM

quote: I'm sure if skellington uses the above excuse in court, any reasonable judge will let him go. I mean, those cruise control thingys are tricky...the buttons keep moving all over the place...2 weeks is really not enough time to figure them out. And 67 feels EXACTLY like 45,doesnt it? I blame the manufacturer, there should be bells and whistles going off whenever you violate the law. Stupid cop, couldnt he read the registration? Look when it was issued! 2 weeks ago! 2 WEEKS! Any idiot knows thats not enough time to learn the rules of the road as they apply to a new car...or a rental for that matter. Skell, congrats on winning the fight against cancer. Now go out and run over some nuns, so that they too can feel the joy of beating death...if theyre lucky.and JENN...did u happen to measure that cop's nightstick???Yer cute.   You get monkeys. 

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Snoogans

07-25-2005, 12:22 PM

You get monkeys. great, now the knicks will have EVEN MORE 2 guards 

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Jennitalia

07-25-2005, 12:23 PM

quote:  and JENN...did u happen to measure that cop's nightstick???   I was hoping I could measure yours... 

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ChrisTheCop

07-25-2005, 12:26 PM

no need. i have a tattoo of a yard stick on my left thigh.

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kevcala

07-25-2005, 12:27 PM

quote:99 honda civic ex 
 I think we all saw that one coming.  By any chance did it have this:  <img width="257" height="237" border="0" src="http://www.eautoworks.com/productimages/hks-hiper-big-exhaust.jpg" />or these?<img width="220" height="259" border="0" src="http://www.coolbulbs.com/images/nokya/nok7212.jpg" /> 

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Jennitalia

07-25-2005, 12:28 PM

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Snoogans

07-25-2005, 12:29 PM

4000 a year on a 99 civic???????? what the fuck when
i had ZERO points and an 02 nissan sentra SE-R, NO POINTS remember, i
would have had to pay 6600 a year in jersey without going on my parents
insurance. even on theirs it was 3900 more 

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Death Metal Moe

07-25-2005, 06:43 PM

He didn't make me feel bad.  Stop speeding like a fucking idiot and you won't get tickets.

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Skellington

07-26-2005, 03:54 AM

quote:  quote: 99 honda civic ex I think we all saw that one coming.  By any chance did it have this:   <img height="237" src="http://www.eautoworks.com/productimages/hks-hiper-big-exhaust.jpg" width="257" border="0" />or these?<img height="259" src="http://www.coolbulbs.com/images/nokya/nok7212.jpg" width="220" border="0" /> ......why you got to talk about my fart can and ground fx like that baby?......

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Skellington

07-26-2005, 04:01 AM

quote: He didn't make me feel bad.  Stop speeding like a fucking idiot and you won't get tickets.He?  *look down panties*  Not the last time i looked.<img title="ahnie" height="220" alt="ahnie" src="http://photos.imageevent.com/kriegweasel/alittletoomuchahnie/small/ahnienomakeup2.jpg" width="192" border="0" /> ......i'll try to mind my speed and not be an ass.  Mayhaps if i wasn't jerking my imaginary dick, i wouldn't have this problem.

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Knowledged_one

07-26-2005, 05:06 AM

How many points did you get for this ticket or some of your previous tickets.  And if you got speeding tickets when you were younger and 15 in 9.5 years is a little over 1.5 tickets a year so even with the spacing of tickets meaning you got 14 in 6.5 (since you havent had one in 3 years right?)  years giving you an average of 2.1 tickets a year, meaning that you liscense was suspeneded right prior to you turning 18, and you completed a driving class right to keep your lisecense.  I mean so now that it is broken down some lets have some answers <img src="http://img.ranchoweb.com/images/aggie2323/celticssig.jpg" border="0" /> Internet Tough Guy #1 - Just look at my e-muscles

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Knowledged_one

07-26-2005, 05:17 AM

One other thing this is what i was saying earlier as the doppler effect and why they can get your speed from any direction:The sudden change in pitch of a <a href="http://www.kettering.edu/~drussell/Demos/doppler/carhorn.wav">car horn</a> as a car passes by (source motion) or in the pitch of a boom box on the sidewalk as you drive by in your car (observer motion) was first explained in 1842 by Christian Doppler. His Doppler Effect is the shift in frequency and wavelength of waves which results from a source moving with respect to the medium, a receiver moving with respect to the medium, or even a moving medium. The perceived frequency (f ´) is related to the actual frequency (f0) and the relative speeds of the source (vs), observer (vo), and the speed (v) of waves in the medium by <img src="http://www.kettering.edu/~drussell/Demos/doppler/Eq1.gif" border="0" />The choice of using the plus (+) or minus (-) sign is made according to the convention that if the source and observer are moving towards each other the perceived frequency (f ´) is higher than the actual frequency (f0). Likewise, if the source and observer are moving away from each other the perceived frequency (f ´) is lower than the actual frequency (f0). 

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Death Metal Moe

07-26-2005, 06:10 AM

quote: quote: He didn't make me feel bad.  Stop speeding like a fucking idiot and you won't get tickets.He?  *look down panties*  Not the last time i looked.<img title="ahnie" height="220" alt="ahnie" src="http://photos.imageevent.com/kriegweasel/alittletoomuchahnie/small/ahnienomakeup2.jpg" width="192" border="0" /> ......i'll try to mind my speed and not be an ass.  Mayhaps if i wasn't jerking my imaginary dick, i wouldn't have this problem.<img src="http://photos.imageevent.com/kriegweasel/stupidshitforlj///halfmonkey3.jpeg" border="0" /> There's nothing duct-tape and a Sharpie can't fix......OK then, SHE didn't make me feel bad.Slow the fuck down. 

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Skellington

07-26-2005, 07:38 AM

quote: How many points did you get for this ticket or some of your previous tickets.  And if you got speeding tickets when you were younger and 15 in 9.5 years is a little over 1.5 tickets a year so even with the spacing of tickets meaning you got 14 in 6.5 (since you havent had one in 3 years right?)  years giving you an average of 2.1 tickets a year, meaning that you liscense was suspeneded right prior to you turning 18, and you completed a driving class right to keep your lisecense.  I mean so now that it is broken down some To break it down, your license only gets suspended if you aquire *are found guilty of * 18 demerit points in a 12 month period *virginia*.  I got my first speeding ticket 2 weeks after i got my permit *ha* Judge sent me to driving school with my Dad *boo*  I never got the 6 demerits because the judge sent me to driving school in lieu of points.  So instead i got 5 GOOD points *for driving school*  I go tmy next ticket 6 months later, that one i went to court, the cop didn't show, i got off because of that for some reason *i was high fivin' my mother*.  Next ticket was 4 months after that, it was a 2 point violation.  Then the rest of my tickets were all for 15-20 over except for the very last one i got, which i actually had to go to court for with a lawyer, which i WAS intentionally speeding out of insanity because my 5 year old goddaughter ran through a glass door....cop got me for doing 105 in a 50......I got a damn good lawyer that got that talked down to a 'disobeying a street sign'...2 points.  I've gone to court for most of my tickets.  By going to court, the judge has either docked the speed down so it's less points, or sent me to driving school or gave me community service in lieu of the ticket.  Thusly, only when my license was in danger, did i get a lawyer.  My lawyer is worth every penny.  After my last ticket *105 in a 50* my parents sat me down and gave me the meaning of life speech.  They also gave me crap for not just calling a ambulance *hey, i don't have that much experience with kids...*  I promised them i wouldn't speed *thusly using cruise control for the last 3 years and only speeding when i was around a crap load of cars that would otherwise maul me...495 people do no less than 80 or else get run over by a hummer....*it all added up. tra la la, boo hoo story.  I'm a good drive and never been in a accident, i guess just the freedom of a open road and not paying attention leads to flooring it.  i dunno, lesson learned.  re-re-re.

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