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HBox

08-02-2005, 07:34 PM

<a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2122976" target="_blank">And let's kick this thing off with the biggest trade in NBA history: 5 teams, 13 players.</a> 
And here's the breakdown:To the Miami Heat: Antoine Walker, Jason Willaims, James Posey, Andre Emmett, Roberto DuemasTo the Memphis Grizzlies: Eddie Jones, Raul Lopez 
To the Utah Jazz: Greg OstertagTo the Boston Celtics: Curtis Borchardt, Qyntel Woods, Albert Miralles, two second round draft picksTo the New Orleans Hornets: Rasual Butler, Kirk Snyder 

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HBox

08-02-2005, 07:37 PM

[color=navy]The Nets are also going to announce their two big
pickups this offseason in a press conference I believe tomorrow:
Shareef Abdur Raheem and Jeff McInnis. 

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Fallon

08-03-2005, 02:28 AM

Never heard of any of those new Celtics. 

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A.J.

08-03-2005, 02:40 AM

Never heard of any of those new Celtics.I've been saying that for the past 10 years.

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El Mudo

08-03-2005, 08:26 AM

Curtis Borchardt is a big white stiff from Stanford..Qyntel Woods was too thuggish and petulant even for PortlandNever heard of the other guy...

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Snoogans

08-03-2005, 08:44 AM

what the fuck is wrong with GM's. Im convinced that Isiah is the GM for
every team except Miami, and just basically GAVE Miami a championship 

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stinkbud

08-03-2005, 09:11 AM

One GM who is getting the job done is rookie GM Danny Ferry of the Cavs. Talk about an of-season:Larry Hughes Zyndrunas IlgauskusDonyell Marshall And hopefully soon:Damon JonesRobert "Tractor" Traylor With
all these moves, the Cavs are tremendous...especially considering that
Lebron is another year older and hopefully better. No choke this year
people! Right now I would call the cavs one of the best teams (on
paper) in the east, behind Miami and maybe Detroit. I would put them on
equal ground with the Nets and Pacers and ahead of the Bulls and
Celtics. Oh, and Nets fans, enjoy McInniss, he is going to be fun for y'all when he starts his off court antics.

Snoogans

08-03-2005, 09:19 AM

you dont watch Tractor Trailor....trust me he is garbage 

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stinkbud

08-03-2005, 09:39 AM

Last year, Tractor was good coming off the bench as a backup center
for the Cavs when Z got into foul trouble. As a backup combo
center/forward, he should be fine, considering what the cavs have
already on the team. (Ilgauskus at center, Gooden/Donyell at forward) 
 Now I see the Cavs are in the market for Dale Davis as well. This is turning into a good roster!

Knowledged_one

08-03-2005, 10:01 AM

I'm sorry how did the Cavs get better?  Im a wizards fan and love larry hughes but the cavs basically paid 14 million a year for a guy who is a carbon copy of Lebron.  The cavs main problem is no outside shooting and they still did not address that problem.  Z if he stays healthy is serviceable in the East that is about it.  And what team will the Cavs replace in the playoffs?The cavs are behind as i see it:  Miami, Detroit, Indiana, New Jersey, WashingtonNow they may make the playoffs but they are far far from a top 3 team in the east since they are the third best team in their own division

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08-03-2005, 10:01 AM

El Mudo

08-03-2005, 12:05 PM

quote: I'm sorry how did the Cavs get better?  Im a wizards fan and love larry hughes but the cavs basically paid 14 million a year for a guy who is a carbon copy of Lebron.  The cavs main problem is no outside shooting and they still did not address that problem.  Z if he stays healthy is serviceable in the East that is about it.  And what team will the Cavs replace in the playoffs?   Larry is a good player, he'll get you 20 5 and 5, plus the guy is one of the best defenders in the league, he led the league in steals, and was on the all-defensive team...<img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v53/monster6sixty6/guests/elm_sig.gif" border="0" /> ....We haven't seen the sun since '71Thanks Monsterone!!

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HBox

08-03-2005, 12:43 PM

The Celtics also signed the Great White Hope, Brian Scalabrine. 

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stinkbud

08-03-2005, 02:35 PM

In addition to outside shooting, the Cavs were awful in defense last
year. Many teams exploited this and that basically made Z useless with
foul trouble. Hughes will correct that problem as an All NBA Defensive
player. Donyel Marshall will help with the outside shooting, and if
they pick up Damon Jones, the shooting will get even better. With Luke
Jackson coming off that injury, there is another outside shooter.Number three in the east i say, number three! I see them replacing Philly in the playoffs this year. 


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08-03-2005, 02:39 PM

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El Mudo

08-03-2005, 06:09 PM

In a related story Fallon, Muggsy Bougues was just named head coach of the Charlotte WNBA team....No joke...

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stinkbud

08-04-2005, 09:26 AM

Just caught the news that the Nets put the Shareef deal on hold due to something that came up in the physical....

Knowledged_one

08-04-2005, 09:30 AM

That will be a blow to the nets as this is there big offseason move that took a long long time to put together.Stinkbud, i did forget about the signing of Donyell Marshall as a shooter for the Cavs but he by no stretch matches what the team needs in an outside shooter.  And as someone who watched close to 75 wizard games i will tell you that alot of LH steals were on gambles and that he and Gilbert played off of each other.  He got away with alot but also got beat a whole lot and the cavs don't have a PG that play d nearly as well as ArenasAnd Damon Jones shooting could be a result of playing with Shaq rather then great shooting...its not hard to shoot 3's with nobody in your face

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stinkbud

08-04-2005, 01:33 PM

I'll give ya that, Cavs need a PG hardcore...Sucked to miss out on Sarunas, but Damon Jones should be servicable.If Ferry can unload Eric Snow's contract on the Knicks and score a quality PG all will be good!

HBox

08-09-2005, 01:55 PM

The Nets just officially pulled out of the Abdur
Rahim trade. If nothing happens with his knees in the future the Nets
just fucked up big time. 

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HBox

08-09-2005, 03:38 PM

The Nets just, instead of Abdur Rahim, traded for
Marc Jackson from the 76ers. Great, replace an almost all-star with a
stiff. 

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Knowledged_one

08-10-2005, 03:54 AM

Marc Jackson was plan B?  Why don't they pursue an Eddy Curry or Tyson Chandler?  Although both are restricted free agents there would still be a chance i guess Eddy's heart problem and Chandler's monthly flow problem will stop that pursuit

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El Mudo

08-10-2005, 07:25 AM

Also, Curry and Chandler would be pretty expensive...i don't know the Nets cap situation off the top of my head, but Abdur-Rahim and Jackson are pretty cheap compared to the other two

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Knowledged_one

08-10-2005, 07:28 AM

They would be able to do deals with Chicago like they would have with Portland it would be a sign-and-trade (however, i don't know if the Nets mid-level exception has now expired).  Also, the market for Curry and Chandler is not what was expected so they do have a decent chance of siging one of those guys............also the knicks have mike sweetney im sure isaih would trade him for another SG or SF

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El Mudo

08-15-2005, 05:38 PM

To-day was Amnesty Day...Shockingly, the Knicks messed up...they didn't amnesty Allan Houston...they cut Jerome Williams..Raptors cut Zo, Pacers cut Reggie, Nets cut Ron Mercer, Bucks cut Calvin Booth, Sixers cut Aaron McKie, Magic cut Doug Christie...and a couple others got the boot too.....like Derek Anderson and Derrick ColemanI would be stunned that the Wolves let go the greatest statistical three-point shooter in NBA History, the Mayor Fred Hoiberg, but he's got heart probs...

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HBox

08-15-2005, 05:39 PM

The Knicks suck................................. SO MUCH!

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08-15-2005, 06:41 PM

quote: To-day was Amnesty Day...Raptors cut Zo, <img src="http://scripts.cgispy.com/image.cgi?u=BigCoop" border="0" /> Powered by <a href="http://www.cgispy.com/">CGISpy.com</a> .... We haven't seen the sun since '71Thanks Monsterone And Fallon Thats awesome that the can waive a guy that isn't even on the team anymore

El Mudo

08-15-2005, 07:39 PM

Well, basically, they were still paying his contract...same thing happened with Howard Eisley and Phoenix...he doesn't play for them any more either, but they still owe him money, so they got rid of his contract to avoid paying luxury tax on it...

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08-15-2005, 07:40 PM

And it just came across the wire that Dallas has let Michael Finley go...Phoenix will be all over him in about 2 seconds.. *EDIT* Dallas has also just signed Doug Christie  <img src="http://scripts.cgispy.com/image.cgi?u=BigCoop" border="0" /> Powered by <a href="http://www.cgispy.com/">CGISpy.com</a> .... We haven't seen the sun since '71Thanks Monsterone And Fallon

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El Mudo

08-15-2005, 07:43 PM

Also here's a link to a good Q and A telling you what the heck the amnesty provision is all aboot<a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=stein_marc&id=2112912">http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=stein_marc&id=2112912</a> Q: But any player on a team's roster can be released? A: Yes. Any player who appears on a team's 2005-06 payroll list is eligible -- except those acquired after June 21. That includes players who are no longer with a team but whose salary still appears on the payroll. One prominent example is Alonzo Mourning, whose contract was bought out by Toronto for an estimated $11 million in March. Mourning has since signed with the Miami Heat, but the Raptors can still make Mourning their amnesty player to avoid paying the luxury tax on what they still owe him.Boston (with Vin Baker) and Phoenix (Howard Eisley) are also expected to use the amnesty clause in this manner.

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Knowledged_one

08-16-2005, 03:48 AM

I don't understand why Minnesota didn't cut Olowokandi and his contract that guy is worse then Kwame Brown as the all time worst first pick ever

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stinkbud

09-07-2005, 01:31 PM

Off season slowed to a crawl in here....but the Cavs have been busy.Damon
Jones signed a 4 year contract, Jahidi White is on the way (Calvin
Booth is also being considered for a backup center...but I hear he is
signing with the Wizards) and Brazilian phenom Marcelo Machado has agreed in principal to join up as well.This
is looking good. They still were in need of bench depth, outside
shooting and a good backup center. Nice work today. I will say once
again, Cavs are number 4 in the East (Miami, Indiana, Detroit,
Cleveland...and Detroit may slip down without Brown coaching them.)Time to win a freakin title before Lebron decides to go elsewhere.

cougarjake13

09-07-2005, 01:53 PM

unfortunately with the spurs returning pretty much the same teamand adding finley I don't see anyone beating themand the cavs would have to probably get by Miami to even reach the finals

HBox

10-03-2005, 06:03 PM

<a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2180298" target="_blank">After
a lousy offseason, the Knicks pull off what could be the best offseason
move, trading for Eddy Curry because Jim Paxson is a dumbass.</a> 

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El Mudo

10-03-2005, 06:30 PM

Well, I would beware of Curry anyway...not just for the heart stuff...But last year, he was in a contract year, and the NBA is not averse to guys stepping it up to get paid....see Dampier, Erick...he had a huge year in a contract year, and the Mavs gave him a huge deal, whereupon he turned right back into a pumpkin...It happens every single year.  Someone who has been previously lackluster has a huge year, some dope pays him a ton of cash, then he goes right back to stinking again...for another classic example in baseball see Beltre, Adrian...

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HBox

10-03-2005, 06:35 PM

Curry has steadily improved every year. It's not
like last year his numbers just spiked up, they improved a bit
similarly to the way he improved the two previous
seasons. 

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HBox

10-17-2005, 12:54 PM

<a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2194071" target="_blank">Allan Houston is going to retire.</a> 

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cougarjake13

10-17-2005, 01:02 PM

quote: <a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2194071" target="_blank">Allan Houston is going to retire.</a> <img src="http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/7449/georgesig0mm.jpg" border="0" /> there is a god... i'm glad I'll never have to see his hobbling ass on the courttoo bad we can't recoup some of the contract

Snoogans

10-17-2005, 02:37 PM

whats the rule on this, after 1 full year out his money comes off the
cap right? Maybe the Knicks and him decided that, and thats why they
didnt cut Allen Houston with the Allen Houston rule. That would be the
first plus for Dolan, who could get a bigger one by FIRING Thomas 

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