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WRESTLINGFAN

01-31-2005, 09:06 AM

No link yet, but FOX news reports she had collapsed during a speech in Amherst NY. Though I strongly disagree with her politics, lets hope shes ok

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Tall_James

01-31-2005, 09:22 AM

She's pregnant !!!

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mikeyboy

01-31-2005, 09:28 AM

link (http://www.cnn.com/2005/ALLPOLITICS/01/31/clinton.ap/index.html)

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Melrapuo

01-31-2005, 09:57 AM

Well that's what she gets for screwing up healthcare. Ah...the irony.

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HBox

01-31-2005, 09:57 AM

Looks like she's fine. (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6890519/)

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HBox

01-31-2005, 09:59 AM

Well that's what she gets for screwing up healthcare. Ah...the irony.

To be fair, she failed to fix health care in such a spectacular fashion that she pissed away 60 years of Democratic dominance of Congress.

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FUNKMAN

01-31-2005, 10:16 AM

hope she's okay

she's like 3rd on my fantasy list, behind Avril Lavigne and Jenny Jones...

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SatCam

01-31-2005, 11:24 AM

During an earlier editorial board meeting Monday at The Buffalo News, Hillary Clinton complained about suffering from a flu-like bug that affected several of her staff members during a weekend retreat in Westchester.

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Bulldogcakes

01-31-2005, 06:51 PM

I think she collapsed because with the election being so successful in Iraq, with a turnout bigger than we get in THIS country, She sees her Presidential prospects going down the tubes.

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A.J.

02-01-2005, 02:49 AM

Clinton told the crowd she was feeling weak and had had a stomach virus.

I hope she didn't shit all over her boxer/briefs.

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DJEvelEd

02-01-2005, 02:25 PM

There was sperm on her dress and a cigar up her ass. Bill must have came home.

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FUNKMAN

02-01-2005, 02:27 PM

wish i was there... i would've gave her mouth to mouth and pressed on her chest

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Hottub

02-01-2005, 02:41 PM

Perhaps she could have used a dose of liquid protein, administered by Dr. Funk!

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02-01-2005, 06:08 PM

Glad she's OK. I couldn't disagree with 99% of her political stances more, and I see right through her current repositioning to the center in the run up to '08. But no one wishes her harm.

She'll be out there like the old Hillary in no time. ::cringe::

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RadioLover

08-04-2005, 07:53 AM

She has my support 100%. We have to clean out the White House, and Hillary is one of the best and brightest we have. Anyone else want Hillary in 2008?

Tall_James

08-04-2005, 07:54 AM

Ok, now you're just shock posting.

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08-04-2005, 07:55 AM

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Knowledged_one

08-04-2005, 08:06 AM

Damn now i wish i hadnt taken back calling you a F**king newbie

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08-04-2005, 08:10 AM

Actually I keep talking about this with my friend and fellow Unhallowed bandmate Bob.  If the Republicans put up some ultra-rightwing guy, I will vote for Hillary or whoever is the Democrat.

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RadioLover

08-04-2005, 08:12 AM

You guys can keep Bush, the worst president ever. And by the way, is knowledged a real word?

Doctor Manhattan

08-04-2005, 08:12 AM

quote: She has my support 100%. We have to clean out the White House, and Hillary is one of the best and brightest we have. Anyone else want Hillary in 2008? I don't get it. Could you please <a href="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/viewmessages.cfm/Forum/46/Topic/46097/page/There_IS_A_GOD______.htm" target="_blank">explain your humor</a>?<img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/huh.gif" border="0" /> quote: You guys can keep Bush, the worst president ever.  Well, you shouldn't have come to this Pro-Bush website then!<img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/nono.gif" border="0" /> quote: And by the way, is knowledged a real word?  it's a username.<img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/rolleyes.gif" border="0" /> <a href="http://www.xmradio.com/programming/channel_page.jsp?ch=202"><img src="http://scripts.cgispy.com/image.cgi?u=skw" border="0" /></a>

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08-04-2005, 08:18 AM

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DarkHippie

08-04-2005, 08:23 AM

Clinton has done an excellent job in bringing funding to NY, and has become a real political force even though she's still in her first term.  In case you haven't noticed, she is immensely popular in NY (check her poll numbers)Maybe not 2008, but look for her in 2012 when her second term is up.

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Furtherman

08-04-2005, 08:26 AM

True, the White House need a MAJOR sweeping but Hillary?Look, your feelings on her husband aside, can you really respect the woman for not dumping his ass as soon as they were out of the White House?  I'd like my President to have some integrity.  

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HBox

08-04-2005, 08:29 AM

Hillary wouldn't be my first choice as a
Democratic Candidate, or my second, and probably not my third, maybe
not even my fourth, outside chance she might not even be my fifth. I'd
vote for John McCain over her, probably, and if another Republican can
show himself to me moderate and independent of the Christian Extremist
right, there's a chance I;d vote for them over Hillary too.But this is all a VERY long way off. Who knows what will happen. 

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Doctor Manhattan

08-04-2005, 08:30 AM

quote: I'd like my President to have some integrity.  That's what I was saying before the 2004 elections, but somehow both parties couldn't provide me with that. 

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DarkHippie

08-04-2005, 08:31 AM

can you really respect the woman for not dumping his ass as soon as they were out of the White House?  I'd like my President to have some integrity. Forgiveness is a virtue.

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08-04-2005, 08:32 AM

She's gotten hotter since becoming a senator.<img height="210" src="http://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/0012/15/NYHETER-15s14-hillary-36.jpg" width="200" border="0" />

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08-04-2005, 08:37 AM

quote: That's what I was saying before the 2004 elections, but somehow both parties couldn't provide me with that. <a href="http://www.xmradio.com/programming/channel_page.jsp?ch=202"></a>True, and I'd even give her more integrity than our current clown in chief, but since he's thankfully gone in what seems a million years from now, it will be interesting to see who both parties put up.  

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08-04-2005, 08:42 AM

quote: True, and I'd even give her more integrity than our current clown in chief, but since he's thankfully gone in what seems a million years from now, it will be interesting to see who both parties put up.   Unfortunately I think they will both put up parasites.<img height="253" src="http://www.moveablebeast.com/archives/obama.jpg" width="184" border="0" />Obama Barack is about the only politician I respect these days.<img src="http://www.chaoticconcepts.com/randomizer/random.php?uid=3" border="0" /> <a href="http://www.osirusonline.com/" target="blank">Reefy's website...</a><a href="http://www.osirusonline.com/ronfez.htm" target="blank">Check out The Ron and Fez Show Logs...UPDATED!!!!!</a>Right now you could care less about me... but soon enough you will care, by the time I'm done

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Knowledged_one

08-04-2005, 08:42 AM

Bush worst president ever.........what about Carter or Hoover or William Henry Harrison that guy didn't even last more then a year.And if i were to vote for a democrat it would be Joe Lieberman at least he approaches the war on terror realistically.  And hillary is doing so much just look at the good job she did getting a game (GTA:SA) that was already rated mature for 17and over banned, way to earn that money.

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Reephdweller

08-04-2005, 08:43 AM

what about Carter  Our Carter or Jimmy? I like our Carter better.

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HBox

08-04-2005, 08:44 AM

Obama Barack is about the only politician I respect these days.Yeah! But why did you get his name backwards? 


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08-04-2005, 08:51 AM

quote: ...the worst president ever. <img height="188" src="http://s1.imagesubmit.com/president_pussy.jpg" width="250" border="0" /> <a href="http://www.xmradio.com/programming/channel_page.jsp?ch=202"><img src="http://scripts.cgispy.com/image.cgi?u=skw" border="0" /></a>

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08-04-2005, 08:52 AM

I actually meant Nell............Gimme a Break<img src="http://www.j-notes.com/myimages/Nell.jpg" border="0" />

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Reephdweller

08-04-2005, 08:57 AM

Yeah! But why did you get his name backwards? That's the way I roll now BoxH

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08-04-2005, 10:05 AM

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FUNKMAN

08-04-2005, 12:16 PM

hasn't there already been enough bush in the whitehouse?i don't think she has a chance being she is a woman. For as long as the war in Iraq goes on and the terrorist attacks throughout the world continue the majority of the country will not be comfortable with a woman as President...  which looks like 'never' at this point

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MrPink

08-04-2005, 02:33 PM

Theres no chance that Hilary will ever become President. She's a woman(maybe) and men don't need another woman in their lives bossing them around. We need someone Libertarian in the White House. We need someone who will liberate us, not ban fuckin video games and pot and guns!

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08-04-2005, 03:02 PM

she's an anal whore and I dare anyone in the room to prove me otherwise. 

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08-04-2005, 03:03 PM

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08-04-2005, 03:09 PM

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08-04-2005, 04:29 PM

she's an anal whore My swing vote has been swung.

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08-04-2005, 07:44 PM

I'd love to never see another Clinton or Bush in the White House again. Done with the dynasties. That said - I would never bet against a Clinton running for any political office. Those hillbillies know how to win. 

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08-04-2005, 07:52 PM

quote: That said - I would never bet against a Clinton running for any political office. Those hillbillies know how to win.   Which is why I'm voting for the Future of America:  Roger Clinton. 

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08-06-2005, 11:10 PM

The fun part about the whole subject is how it's been  putting the Shawn Hannity's of the world into shit-fit mode.They have been running scared-a Hillary in 2008 since 2002. I have never seen any party so scared of one candidate 6 years out from an election. Damnedest thing, it is.   " and they ask me why I drink" <img src="http://64.177.177.182/katylina/highflysig.jpg" border="0" /> Big ups to sex bomb baby Katylina (LHOOQ) for the sig!

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Bulldogcakes

08-08-2005, 04:30 PM

quote:<img border="0" src="http://www.arielpublicity.com/george_clinton/GC_web_2.jpg" />

Now there's a Clinton I'd vote for 
ONE NATION UNDER A GROOVE MOTHERFUCKAS 

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DJEvelEd

08-08-2005, 04:35 PM

She just wants the chance to shove a cigar up some gay intern's ass.

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Bulldogcakes

08-08-2005, 04:40 PM

Seriously though, I think the Republicans are secretly salivating to
run against her. They owe ALL their power to this woman. The Health
Care power grab she tried in 94 scared the shit out of American public,
so much so they voted in Gingrich and the rest of the Republicans in
one of the biggest "sea changes" in American political history.
She tried to nationalize 1/7 of the US economy (which BTW would make us
officially a Socialist country if she succeeded, putting the total
Gov't share of the economy at over 50%) and people pictured going to
the doctor being like going to the DMV. Which they were right about. Now have the Bush Republicans built a record to run on that they can defend? No. Who will they run against her? Excellent question. But
at the end of the day, there are few people who can even get me
motivated to vote anymore. She's one of them. I'd trudge through 5 feet
of snow to vote against that twat. And if she won, I'd move to Brazil.


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TheMojoPin

08-08-2005, 05:12 PM

'98?That's a few years too late.

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Bulldogcakes

08-08-2005, 05:17 PM

Sorry, I fixed it. It was 88, right?<img border="0" src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/wink.gif" /> 

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torker

08-08-2005, 05:20 PM

Who will they run against her? Excellent question.Lil' Ricky Lazio round 2?                                <img height="94" src="http://www.civilwind.com/hao/images/hillary2.jpg" width="112" border="0" />                            Get in the ring motherfucker

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08-08-2005, 05:34 PM

quote:and people pictured going to the doctor being like going to the DMV. Which they were right about. [color=navy]I think 40 million Americans and counting would take that right about now. 

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LiquidCourage

08-09-2005, 07:50 PM

You couldn't have named more of an unelectable candidate.

Justice4all

08-09-2005, 10:18 PM

quote: But at the end of the day, there are few people who can even get me motivated to vote anymore. She's one of them. I'd trudge through 5 feet of snow to vote against that twat. And if she won, I'd move to Brazil. BDC, then say hello when you get there because you and I would be neighbors.Did ALL of you forget that it was HILLARY who was in the center of the whitewater scandel and not Bill. He was guitly of trying to help cover it up, but it was his wife who was doing most of the dirty dealing.I would not trust her to wipe my ass right much less run the country. Let her be as popular as she wants to be, I think she would do a terrible job. And Hippe...as far as the forgiveness goes on her part to Bill...that was 100% political. She knew she would get the sympathy vote and that would go a LONG way with her. She is a scam artist of the worst degree.I would rather trust THIS guy.....<img src="http://movies.nnov.ru/Covers/Distinguished%20Gentleman,%20The.jpg" border="0" /> 

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08-10-2005, 03:26 AM

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Doctor Manhattan

08-10-2005, 04:07 AM

quote:  You couldn't have named more of an unelectable candidate.  <img height="240" src="http://www.cnn.com/US/OJ/daily/9601/01-21/simpson.jpg" width="227" border="0" /><img height="333" src="http://people.freenet.de/sgirls01/tn_ff6_paristaraclubbing114jf.jpg" width="500" border="0" />That's just 2, I could name dozens more... <a href="http://www.xmradio.com/programming/channel_page.jsp?ch=202" target="_blank"><img src="http://scripts.cgispy.com/image.cgi?u=skw" border="0" /></a>

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JerryTaker

08-10-2005, 12:12 PM

I have yet to have anyone explain to me just how whitewater shows
any real wrongdoing by either of the Clintons, and don't give me any of
that x-files Vince Foster crap, because none of that's been proven. here's what I know...
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillary_Clinton#Whitewater_scandal"> Hillary </a>
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whitewater_scandal"> Whitewater </a>
 <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillary_Clinton#Whitewater_scandal"></a><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whitewater_scandal"></a><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Brock">David
Brock</a> who was a self professed "right wing hitman" who linked
whitewater to Paula Jones after attempting to smear Pres. Clinton under
the failed <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troopergate">Troopergate</a>
scandal. Ultimately leading to the Monica distraction. 


 
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Bulldogcakes

08-10-2005, 02:10 PM

Hillary's biggest problem is the visceral reaction many people (mostly
men) have to looking at her. Some of us just look at her and want to
put on a Tony Soprano wife beater and smash her face in. There's very
few women I feel this way about, and she's one of them. Her, Rosie
O'Donnell, and Alanis Morrisette. Drive me fuckin nuts.Can you blame Bill for cheating on her? Be honest. 

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HBox

08-10-2005, 02:12 PM

I think that visceral hate demonstrated by a vocal
but clear minority actually works in her favor, turning off neutral
voters. I also think these haters over-inflate their ranks which leads
to overconfidence. A couple of parallels with Bush haters,
IMO. 

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Bulldogcakes

08-10-2005, 02:21 PM

Can go either way. Depends on who's running against her. She'll have
to raise the negatives of her opponent to be somewhere close to hers.
And those charges will have to stick. But you're right about the hate
thing, it turns off people in the middle. But when it comes to Hillary,
that middle might be REAL small. Just like this past election, where turnout trumped swing voters. 
Plus she has a record
that the public doesn't like. Look at the poll #'s for "Most important
issue". Health care is way down at the bottom. And her record of
reforming education in Arkansas was dismal. I'd vote for Bill again in
a heartbeat. But she will turn people out to vote against her in
droves, so her turnout better be damn good, and not just with the base.
 


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Bulldogcakes

08-10-2005, 02:58 PM

Another thing I think works against her. I'm sure she'll run from the
"Clinton Playbook" that we all became fimiliar with from Bill. But that
worked as well as it did with Bill as the salesman (who was a
consummate pol, Hillary isn't) I'm dont think the same techniques will
go over as well with Hillary for a variety a reasons. One is her
personality, she was always the bad cop, Bill the good cop. Another is
how society reacts to Women differently than Men. If she did the same
things Bills did, many would backfire simply because she's a woman. And
could gripe about it all she wants, that'll just dig her hole deeper.
Which leads me to #3, she isn't very presidential. Her best poll #'s
came after she was cheated on by Bill, which was alot of sympathy
mostly from other women. #4 reason is many Democrats are Union members,
socially conservative Blacks and Latinos, etc and I'm not sure certain elements of
the DEMOCRATIC party are ready for a woman president. But the
nomination is hers for the asking, and I think it takes the Democratic
party deeper into oblivion. 

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TheMojoPin

08-10-2005, 03:50 PM

Hasn't W. proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that you can put up the worst possible candidate for your party and STILL succeed wildly?And seriously, that's not a cheap shot.  Is there ONE Republican/conservative here that can honestly say W. was even CLOSE to being the best possible presidential candidate in the Republican party?  They went for the easy win on name alone, period.  Running Hillary would be the exact same thing, just from the other side.  It's lazy and it stinks either way.Smartest thing the Republicans could do if Hillary ran would be to put up McCain.  Lotta "middle ground voters" and people on the left (myself included) would vote for a guy like him over her in a heartbeat, Republican or not.  The man truly is a uniter.

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08-10-2005, 04:34 PM

This Hilary has my vote anyday<img title="hill" height="357" alt="hill" src="http://freshwobbly.tripod.com/pics/hilary31.jpg" width="224" border="0" />

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Bulldogcakes

08-12-2005, 04:21 PM

quote:Hasn't
W. proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that you can put up the worst
possible candidate for your party and STILL succeed wildly?And
seriously, that's not a cheap shot. Is there ONE
Republican/conservative here that can honestly say W. was even CLOSE to
being the best possible presidential candidate in the Republican party?
They went for the easy win on name alone, period. Running Hillary would
be the exact same thing, just from the other side. It's lazy and it
stinks either way.Smartest thing the Republicans could do if
Hillary ran would be to put up McCain. Lotta "middle ground voters" and
people on the left (myself included) would vote for a guy like him over
her in a heartbeat, Republican or not. The man truly is a uniter.

 I've never been
impressed with W, going back to his first Convention in 2000. Though
you're arguing quality over looks, appeal, name recognition. And in the
age of television, style beats substance. Which I think also works
against Hillary. I'd love McCain. Independent thinker, solid
guy. But the Rush Limbaugh base hates his guts and thinks he works for
the enemy (no joke) So he'd be a better general election candidate than
primary candidate, which is the age old problem with our current
nomination system, and makes me long for the days when party bosses
decided these things. The extremes of both parties dominate the primary
process because turnout is low. 1980-1988 Reagan/Bush1988 Bush1992 Bill Clinton2000 GW Bush2008 Hillary ClintonThat's over 30 years where we elected either a Bush or a Clinton. Ridiculous. <img width="180" height="118" border="0" src="http://www.ipa.org.uk/uploadedFiles/cms/store/Rio_Congress_2005/4_blank_files/ATTACHMENTS/Rio%207.jpg" />RIO HERE I COME BABY!!! 

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A.J.

08-27-2005, 02:13 AM

Is there ONE Republican/conservative here that can honestly say W. was even CLOSE to being the best possible presidential candidate in the Republican party?  They went for the easy win on name alone, period.In 2000?  I thought so.I love McCain but I thought his best shot was 1996.  If he got the nomination that year I think he would have beat Clinton.  In 2000 Bush was a stronger candidate:  10 years younger than McCain, a popular, sitting Governor of a large state who had broad appeal to women and Hispanics, and he had a "compassionate conservative" message that resonated with libertarian Republicans like myself.Unfortuantely, the post-9/11 Bush is not the same candidate I voted for in 2000.  Yes, I support the GWOT but the expansion of government, particularly the idiotic Department of Homeland Security and Director of National Intelligence, REALLY piss me off.

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Bulldogcakes

09-03-2006, 03:51 PM

<h1><a title="Hillary's friends hint she may exit prez race" target="_self" href="http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2089-2340352,00.html">Hillary's friends hint she may exit prez race</a></h1> FRIENDS of Hillary Clinton have been whispering the unthinkable.
Despite her status as the runaway frontrunner for the 2008 Democratic
nomination for president, some of her closest advisers say she might
opt out of the White House race and seek to lead her party in the
Senate. As senator for New York, Clinton has forged alliances across
party lines with leading Republicans such as Senator John McCain and
Newt Gingrich, the former speaker of the House of Representatives. In
the eyes of the electorate, however, she is a potentially divisive
figure. A recent poll for Time magazine showed that 53% of the
electorate said they had a favourable impression of Clinton and only
44% viewed her negatively, figures that President George W Bush can
only dream of at the moment. Even so, 53% of independent voters said
they would not vote for her. “The prospect of a Hillary for President campaign has put much
of the Democratic establishment in a bind,” Time concluded. “The early
line is that Hillary would be unstoppable in a Democratic primary but
unelectable in a general election.” The solution, insiders say, is for Clinton to take over as
Senate minority leader in 2009 from the lacklustre Harry Reid, senator
for Nevada. One well-respected blog, The Washington Note, recently
claimed that Reid privately told Clinton the job was hers if she gave
up her presidential ambitions.    Anyone buying this?I'm not for a minute. I think that whatever the Clintons do, it is to further themelves politically. Anyone who doubts that didn't pay much attention while Bill was in office. I just dont get the political angle, though.Though I agree with every word of the article, I think she'd breeze through the Dem primary and have an uphill battle in the general election. She may even be unelectable. But This is so clearly her chance, I dont see her giving it up. Dont forget, NOBODY thought Bill had a chance in 92, especially after the Jennifer Flowers thing broke. And he actually did poorly in the first few primaries, though he spun his way out of it. I also find it interesting that this story broke overseas, in the UK. But I just dont get how it helps her.       

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TheMojoPin

09-03-2006, 03:54 PM

I pray that it's true.

SatCam

09-03-2006, 03:57 PM

attention whore

Bulldogcakes

09-03-2006, 04:01 PM

Think about it. If they think McCain is going to win, then he could concievably end up serving 2 terms (He's 70) and she'd be looking at running in 2016. When she would be about 70. I dont buy it for one minute.

TheMojoPin

09-03-2006, 04:48 PM

Bulldogcakes wrote: Think about it. If they think McCain is going to win, then he could concievably end up serving 2 terms (He's 70) and she'd be looking at running in 2016. When she would be about 70. I dont buy it for one minute.  I know medical science is advancing all the time, but really, having a president over the age of 70 doesn't sit right with me.  Never has, never will.  Maybe down the line, when we're all living to at least be 100, but right now, I don't want Slowdrive McCouponclip running the free world.

sr71blackbird

09-03-2006, 04:53 PM

The public only wants young, good looking people.  Regardless of party.

Tall_James

09-03-2006, 05:38 PM

I don't want Slowdrive McCouponclip running the free world.But at least he'll be done with dinner by 4:30.

A.J.

09-05-2006, 03:23 AM

You may recall Bill ran for re-election as Governor of Arkansas after claiming he wasn't going to run for President.After she gets re-elected to the Senate this fall, she'll start the Presidential campaign next year.

Jujubees2

09-05-2006, 05:48 AM

Bulldogcakes wrote: I'm not for a minute. I think that whatever the Clintons do, it is to further themelves politically. Anyone who doubts that didn't pay much attention while Bill was in office. This message was edited by Bulldogcakes on 9-3-06 @ 7:56 PM  Show me a politician who doesn't do everything to further themselves politically and I'll show you a liar.

AKA

09-05-2006, 07:30 AM

When it comes to winning elections, I never bet against Bill or Hillary.

sailor

09-05-2006, 07:37 AM

sr71blackbird wrote: The public only wants young, good looking people. Regardless of party.  have you seen hillary?

Tenbatsuzen

09-05-2006, 12:05 PM

bronxmarc wrote: sr71blackbird wrote: The public only wants young, good looking people. Regardless of party. have you seen hillary?    Hillary's been aging and fattening just like Bill did in office.  As soon as Bill got out, he got slim, trim, and handsome again.  Weird.

OGC

09-05-2006, 12:08 PM

Tenbatsuzen wrote: bronxmarc wrote:  sr71blackbird wrote: The public only wants young, good looking people. Regardless of party.   have you seen hillary? Hillary's been aging and fattening just like Bill did in office.  As soon as Bill got out, he got slim, trim, and handsome again.  Weird.I think his heart attack had something to do with him getting slim.

SatCam

09-05-2006, 02:23 PM

<hr color="cococo" align="left">Tenbatsuzen wrote: bronxmarc wrote: sr71blackbird wrote: The public only wants young, good looking people. Regardless of party. have you seen hillary? Hillary's been aging and fattening just like Bill did in office. As soon as Bill got out, he got slim, trim, and handsome again. Weird. <hr color="cococo" align="left">

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pennington

09-08-2006, 04:02 AM

Bulldogcakes wrote: Anyone buying this?I'm not for a minute. I think that whatever the Clintons do, it is to further themelves politically. Anyone who doubts that didn't pay much attention while Bill was in office. But I just dont get how it helps her.   This looks like a classic political trial-balloon.The only way this makes sense is if she has rock solid polling data that she doesn't have a chance to win the general election in 2008. Leading the Senate would be a way for her to suck in more power and lurk until 2012.But I agree with previous posts. She wants it ALL, now; she's going for the Presidency. It will be interesting see what she and Kerry do to each other in the primaries.

TooCute

01-20-2007, 06:18 AM

Am I really the first person posting this story?
Hillary's in. For real.

<a href="http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/politics/chi-070120clinton-
story,1,5416785.story?coll=chi-news-hed">News here</a>
<a href="http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?
pid=20601103&sid=aKoAL7brCVs0&refer=us">and here</a>

And I imagine it's on her website but I can't find it but I'm also lazy.

A.J.

01-20-2007, 06:41 AM

But she just got reelected to serve another term in the Senate!

Sheeplovr

01-20-2007, 06:44 AM

lameim going to start my own country

Tenbatsuzen

01-20-2007, 07:06 AM

A what or a WHAT?

TheMojoPin

01-20-2007, 07:52 AM

OBAMAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!!John Edwards reminds me of "The Smiler" from the comic series Transmetropolitan.  He's trouble.  And evil.  He's trevil.

reeshy

01-20-2007, 07:54 AM

Thank God I still have my Canadian passport!!!!

Fezticle98

01-20-2007, 08:29 AM

Blah, wake me when Wes Clark announces.

FUNKMAN

01-20-2007, 08:31 AM

ALRIGHT! She's Fucking Hot...

deliciousV

01-20-2007, 08:41 AM

Oh man are the republicans just whackin it right now, the dems are running a woman or a black man with a terrorist name? The republicans could dig up Nixon and run him, and win in a big way. Nixon/Ford II on 08!

boobieman

01-20-2007, 08:43 AM

I hope she is in...In a lesbian bar with a dildo up her pooper while her husband is banging another fat ass.  I hate the Clintons, especially the do nothing, mars attacks head Hilary. Only time I ever hear she is doing anything is when she can get some press. Speak out about a video game or against the war...wow that makes a difference. With this upcoming election I don't know who will win...either a cankled cunt or a black man (Which I do not know much about) either way I have a message board psychic..... THE PRESIDENT HAS BEEN SHOT.  This country is just not ready for a black president or a women president...which is just sad.     SEE YA!!!

WRESTLINGFAN

01-20-2007, 08:51 AM

boobieman wrote:  I hope she is in...In a lesbian bar with a dildo up her pooper while her husband is banging another fat ass.  I hate the Clintons, especially the do nothing, mars attacks head Hilary. Only time I ever hear she is doing anything is when she can get some press. Speak out about a video game or against the war...wow that makes a difference.With this upcoming election I don't know who will win...either a cankled cunt or a black man (Which I do not know much about) either way I have a message board psychic..... THE PRESIDENT HAS BEEN SHOT. This country is just not ready for a black president or a women president...which is just sad.  SEE YA!!!   Youre right about that, Obama and Hil don't realize that there are alot of Americans who live in the heartland and south that just will not vote for them just based on that alone

Doomstone

01-20-2007, 09:04 AM

Well I guess not much has changed around here.

"OH NO SHE'S A CUNT! LOOK OVER THAR, A NIGGER!"

Mysoginists and racists...

Snacks

01-20-2007, 09:18 AM

Doomstone wrote: Well I guess not much has changed around here. "OH NO SHE'S A CUNT! LOOK OVER THAR, A NIGGER!" Mysoginists and racists... Your right, they rather have an over reacting, send kids to die in a war with a country who did nothing to us. Lower taxes for the rich, over spend, put us in the largest deficite ever, create laws that give tax dollars to religious org, talks to god and really does what his god says. (not suppose to do that as president if it were anyone else they would be crazy like uh tom cruise, maybe) Had the worlds support and love after 9/11, now the country is hated more then ever by most of the world. No lets keep the ball rollin vote Republican again in08. This country is so stupid. They worry more about color of someones skin or sex rather then who would be better as a whole for the country!!!As the current asshole would say, Stay the course. That has worked so far!!!

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lleeder

01-20-2007, 09:22 AM

boobieman wrote:  I hope she is in...In a lesbian bar with a dildo up her pooper while her husband is banging another fat ass.  I hate the Clintons, especially the do nothing, mars attacks head Hilary. Only time I ever hear she is doing anything is when she can get some press. Speak out about a video game or against the war...wow that makes a difference.With this upcoming election I don't know who will win...either a cankled cunt or a black man (Which I do not know much about) either way I have a message board psychic..... THE PRESIDENT HAS BEEN SHOT. This country is just not ready for a black president or a women president...which is just sad.  SEE YA!!!   Statements like this even in jest could land yourself in jail. You might want to rethink things that could be construed as threats to government officials.

TheMojoPin

01-20-2007, 10:13 AM

Doomstone wrote: Well I guess not much has changed around here. "OH NO SHE'S A CUNT! LOOK OVER THAR, A NIGGER!" Mysoginists and racists... I love how it's always presented as "there are people out there..." or "this country..."Very convenient.

HBox

01-20-2007, 10:16 AM

TheMojoPin wrote: Doomstone wrote: Well I guess not much has changed around here. "OH NO SHE'S A CUNT! LOOK OVER THAR, A NIGGER!" Mysoginists and racists... I love how it's always presented as "there are people out there..." or "this country..."Very convenient.I'm really glad I'm not the only one who noticed this.

lintpit

01-20-2007, 10:18 AM

Snacks wrote: Doomstone wrote: Well I guess not much has changed around here. "OH NO SHE'S A CUNT! LOOK OVER THAR, A NIGGER!" Mysoginists and racists... Your right, they rather have an over reacting, send kids to die in a war with a country who did nothing to us. Lower taxes for the rich, over spend, put us in the largest deficite ever, create laws that give tax dollars to religious org, talks to god and really does what his god says. (not suppose to do that as president if it were anyone else they would be crazy like uh tom cruise, maybe) Had the worlds support and love after 9/11, now the country is hated more then ever by most of the world. No lets keep the ball rollin vote Republican again in08. This country is so stupid. They worry more about color of someones skin or sex rather then who would be better as a whole for the country!!!As the current asshole would say, Stay the course. That has worked so far!!!This message was edited by Snacks on 1-20-07 @ 1:21 PM I was going to argue a bit with you , but naw. I could never find the strength.

TheMojoPin

01-20-2007, 10:19 AM

"There are people out there, not me, but people...in this country...WHO ARE NOT ME...who, I cannot emphasize enough that they are not me, would never blah-blah-blaaaaaaaaaaah."

Don Stugots

01-20-2007, 10:59 AM

does she have any Sheepy points?  if not, then she cant win.  need the sheepy points.

NortonRules

01-20-2007, 11:00 AM

You mean she lied to the entire state of New York?  Of course she did.  She did nothing for this state, but use us.  She only cares about herself.  She also has no morals.  She stuck with an alleged rapsist and proven sexual abuser.

OralForTheChef

01-20-2007, 11:01 AM

Oh fuck.

Jujubees2

01-20-2007, 11:11 AM

boobieman wrote:  I hope she is in...In a lesbian bar with a dildo up her pooper while her husband is banging another fat ass.  I hate the Clintons, especially the do nothing, mars attacks head Hilary. Only time I ever hear she is doing anything is when she can get some press. Speak out about a video game or against the war...wow that makes a difference.With this upcoming election I don't know who will win...either a cankled cunt or a black man (Which I do not know much about) either way I have a message board psychic..... THE PRESIDENT HAS BEEN SHOT. This country is just not ready for a black president or a women president...which is just sad.  SEE YA!!! Maybe it's just you who isn't ready for a woman or a black person to be president!

FezPaul

01-20-2007, 11:14 AM

I'm not. <img src="/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/innocent.gif" border="0" alt="Innocent" title="Innocent" width="18" height="22" />

keithy_19

01-20-2007, 11:34 AM

DOLE IN 08!

Don Stugots

01-20-2007, 11:37 AM

keithy_19 wrote: DOLE IN 08! Mr. or Mrs?

nevnut

01-20-2007, 12:05 PM

I don't have anything against anyone being president whether black or white, yellow or brown, male or female, they just have to be qualifed and voted into office.Hillary will hopefully never get elected, because IMO she is not qualified and I think she is one of those pshyco bitches whose only purpose in life is to be powerful.Obama (I think Opie loves sayin' his name) I don't know enough about but I think he needs more experience (too young) and I don't think he will get elected because of all the closed-minded people in this country who will not vote for some one with a Muslim name.I believe the best candidate for Pres. is a former Govener, but I don't see any good ones yet in the running except maybe Romney and his fault is that he is a Mormon.   That will probably not happen.

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WRESTLINGFAN

01-20-2007, 12:40 PM

Its going to be a long tiresome campaign trail for her <img src="http://www.punditguy.com/images/tired_hillary.jpg" border="0" alt="hc" title="hc" width="200" height="305" />

pennington

01-20-2007, 12:55 PM

Most people make an announcement like this with a press conference.  She posts it on her web site.Since she ran for senate the first time, has she ever had an open press conference?  She's going to have to answer some real questions sometime, not just some tightly scripted "town hall" meeting or cyber Q&A.

Tenbatsuzen

01-20-2007, 06:41 PM

Doomstone wrote: Well I guess not much has changed around here. "OH NO SHE'S A CUNT! LOOK OVER THAR, A NIGGER!" Mysoginists and racists... Are you talking about RonFez.net or America in general? If you're referring to my "What or a What" reference, it's a Jim Norton line that basically was a parody of how exactly the South would react when faced with either choosing a woman or a black man for President. I wouldn't vote for Hilary because of her carpetbagging.  Plain and simple.  I am indifferent to Obama until proven otherwise. Being a president isn't about who you are, what skeletons are in your closet, who you fucked and who you didn't - it is about BEING A LEADER.  The ONLY person who I've seen to be a proven leader, a proven motivator, and a person with REAL, tangible results of what he's done - is Giuliani.  Not just for 9/11, but the re-build of NYC he did before then.  You want to call him an adulterer?  Fuck that, there was some of that IN THE OVAL OFFICE.

Stankfoot

01-20-2007, 11:56 PM

nevnut wrote:I believe the best candidate for Pres. is a former Govener........ <img src="http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a350/stankfoot/gov_bush.jpg" border="0" />  [shudder]

patsopinion

01-21-2007, 12:11 AM

edwards vs that manchurian canidate guyi knew hillary was going to be a big time contender/demo nomination a year ago when the fox guy threw her a fundraiser.  If hes backing her then its all over

Yerdaddy

01-21-2007, 12:47 AM

I've never heard a good reason from a conservative for hating Hillary Clinton other than it's what conservatives are expected to do. I hope she crushes in 08 so that I can spend the next four years pointing and laughing at the people who brought us failure in Iraq. It won't ever make up for it but as long as conservatives refuse to attone for Iraq I'll have to settle for humiliation.

Doctor Z

01-21-2007, 12:54 AM

Other than her calves, who do you think are some of her possible running mates?

A.J.

01-21-2007, 07:32 AM

Yerdaddy wrote: I hope she crushes in 08 so that I can spend the next four years pointing and laughing at the people who brought us failure in Iraq. It won't ever make up for it but as long as conservatives refuse to attone for Iraq I'll have to settle for humiliation. Ummm...wasn't Hillary among those who voted in favor of the war?

Gvac

01-21-2007, 07:40 AM

A.J. wrote: Yerdaddy wrote: I hope she crushes in 08 so that I can spend the next four years pointing and laughing at the people who brought us failure in Iraq. It won't ever make up for it but as long as conservatives refuse to attone for Iraq I'll have to settle for humiliation. Ummm...wasn't Hillary among those who voted in favor of the war?Stop bringing facts into it!All Democrats are great and all Republicans suck!Won't you ever learn?

Bulldogcakes

01-21-2007, 08:41 AM

TheMojoPin wrote: Doomstone wrote: Well I guess not much has changed around here. "OH NO SHE'S A CUNT! LOOK OVER THAR, A NIGGER!" Mysoginists and racists... I love how it's always presented as "there are people out there..." or "this country..."Very convenient.Just like when some folks call people names like . . .oh . . .lets see. . . . racist and misogynist.  Very convenient way to avoid talking about Hillary's and Obama's record, or lack thereof in both cases.

epo

01-21-2007, 08:41 AM

Doctor_Z wrote: Other than her calves, who do you think are some of her possible running mates?This guy:<img src="http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/msnbc/Sections/Newsweek/Components/Photos/051101_051107/051104_BillRichardson_hsmall.widec.jpg" border="0" width="298" height="272" />

WRESTLINGFAN

01-21-2007, 09:03 AM

I would vote for this Hillary <img src="http://gfx.filmweb.pl/p/63598/po.94703.jpg" border="0" alt="kl" title="kl" width="150" height="200" />

Jujubees2

01-21-2007, 09:13 AM

Tenbatsuzen wrote: Doomstone wrote: Well I guess not much has changed around here. "OH NO SHE'S A CUNT! LOOK OVER THAR, A NIGGER!" Mysoginists and racists...  Are you talking about RonFez.net or America in general? If you're referring to my "What or a What" reference, it's a Jim Norton line that basically was a parody of how exactly the South would react when faced with either choosing a woman or a black man for President. I wouldn't vote for Hilary because of her carpetbagging.  Plain and simple.  I am indifferent to Obama until proven otherwise. Being a president isn't about who you are, what skeletons are in your closet, who you fucked and who you didn't - it is about BEING A LEADER.  The ONLY person who I've seen to be a proven leader, a proven motivator, and a person with REAL, tangible results of what he's done - is Giuliani.  Not just for 9/11, but the re-build of NYC he did before then.  You want to call him an adulterer?  Fuck that, there was some of that IN THE OVAL OFFICE.   I have to disagree with you Tenbatsuzen,I believe you live in New Jersey so you didn't get to see the real Giuliani as we did in NYC. Everyone remembers him for his post 9-11 "leadership".  What they don't remember is his heavy-handed running of the city.  Yes, the city was cleaned up on his watch but that had as much to do with President Clinton giving more money to the states and cities to hire more police.  But the way Giuliani ran the city, basically oppressing the minorities, was deplorable.  There were so many civil rights law suits filed against the city during his tenure that it would have bankrupt the city had it not been that Wall Street was doing so well back then.  And let's not fail to mention those he hired on his staff, not the least good old police commissioner Bernard Kerik. In the end it probably won't matter because the conservative Republicans would never let him win the primary.

Jujubees2

01-21-2007, 09:26 AM

Ut-oh, looks like a Hispanic has now joined the race...<a href="http://apnews.myway.com/article/20070121/D8MPNJJG2.html">http://apnews.myway.com/article/20070121/D8MPNJJG2.html</a>

Bulldogcakes

01-21-2007, 09:33 AM

Yerdaddy wrote: I've never heard a good reason from a conservative for hating Hillary Clinton other than it's what conservatives are expected to do.Hating isn't what I'm arguing here, but here's why she shouldn't be president. 1) She's never been a chief exectutive of a state, a city or a donut shop, much less the entire country 2) What little experience she does have (Fixing education in Arkansas, National Health Care) she failed at miserably. 3) Cankles4) Many who've worked with her (Frmr Sec Sevice agents, Dick Morris, WH Travel office, Leon Panetta) will lead you to believe she doesn't have the temperment to be President.5) One and a half Senate terms simply doesn't cut it. Thats not enough time to see the cause and effect of most legislation both domestically and internationally.6) Being the first woman or the first black is a lousy reason to vote for anyone. I submit as evidence to you David Dinkins. Thats just as bad as voting for someone because of their last name, like Bush. Which, come to think of it, is also the case here.  7) Cankles cankles8) She's a lousy politician, lousy at stump speeches and if she wasn't married to Bill she wouldn't even be discussed. Which also makes her a lousy feminist, since last time I checked a good feminist is an independant, self sufficient woman. 9) What IS the reason why she's qualified? 10) Did I mention cankles?

A.J.

01-21-2007, 09:41 AM

Jujubees2 wrote: Ut-oh, looks like a Hispanic has now joined the race...<a href="http://apnews.myway.com/article/20070121/D8MPNJJG2.html">http://apnews.myway.com/article/20070121/D8MPNJJG2.html</a>He's a Democrat I can live with as President.

reillyluck

01-21-2007, 09:51 AM

i hope she wins.

rckiller

01-21-2007, 10:03 AM

I predict she will win the nomination but if the republicans can run a moderate
who can get the nomination (that would be tough) they will probably hold onto
the white house.

Tenbatsuzen

01-21-2007, 10:38 AM

Bulldogcakes wrote: Yerdaddy wrote: I've never heard a good reason from a conservative for hating Hillary Clinton other than it's what conservatives are expected to do.Hating isn't what I'm arguing here, but here's why she shouldn't be president. 1) She's never been a chief exectutive of a state, a city or a donut shop, much less the entire country 2) What little experience she does have (Fixing education in Arkansas, National Health Care) she failed at miserably. 3) Cankles4) Many who've worked with her (Frmr Sec Sevice agents, Dick Morris, WH Travel office, Leon Panetta) will lead you to believe she doesn't have the temperment to be President.5) One and a half Senate terms simply doesn't cut it. Thats not enough time to see the cause and effect of most legislation both domestically and internationally.6) Being the first woman or the first black is a lousy reason to vote for anyone. I submit as evidence to you David Dinkins. Thats just as bad as voting for someone because of their last name, like Bush. Which, come to think of it, is also the case here. 7) Cankles cankles8) She's a lousy politician, lousy at stump speeches and if she wasn't married to Bill she wouldn't even be discussed. Which also makes her a lousy feminist, since last time I checked a good feminist is an independant, self sufficient woman. 9) What IS the reason why she's qualified? 10) Did I mention cankles?   I know you're going for the funney, but in a discussion like this, saying someone has cankles is really stupid and detracts from your entire point.  A physical imperfection doesn't mean they aren't a good leader.  FDR was in a wheelchair.

Dudeman

01-21-2007, 10:39 AM

how about referring to these two by their scholastic accomplishments:- first in her class at Yale Law School, valedictorian of Wellesley- editor of the Harvard Law Review that's sure alot fucking better than Bush, who both needed daddy to get him into schools, and more importantly, did jack shit while there.

Tenbatsuzen

01-21-2007, 10:44 AM

I am going to reiterate. Crossing party lines, a President, especially right now, has to be someone who can motivate and lead the people of the United States.  They have to be well-spoken, well likable, and non-polarizing.  (As non-polarizing as a president can be)  Bill Clinton, as much as my father will damn me for this, was all three.  He wasn't perfect, but he did a good job of leading this country.  So was Reagan.  Both Clinton and Reagan were LEADERS.  Yes, in retrospect, you can pick apart their administrations.  But the fact of the matter was, they led the country.  Between Obama and Clinton, I would vote for Obama is a heartbeat.  Clinton is NOT as likable as her husband.  She hasn't given me any proven leadership skills.  And Obama, well, he has Jeri "Seven of Nine" Ryan to thank for the fact that he's in this position right now. Republicans, it's McCain and Giuliani.  They are the only two I would even be interested in voting for.

Tenbatsuzen

01-21-2007, 10:45 AM

Dudeman wrote: how about referring to these two by their scholastic accomplishments:- first in her class at Yale Law School, valedictorian of Wellesley- editor of the Harvard Law Review that's sure alot fucking better than Bush, who both needed daddy to get him into schools, and more importantly, did jack shit while there.  By that logic, Ken Jennings should be a candidate for president.

nevnut

01-21-2007, 10:45 AM

reillyluck wrote: i hope she wins. I vote reillyluck craziest poster of the day!

boeman

01-21-2007, 10:56 AM

Gvac wrote: A.J. wrote: Yerdaddy wrote: I hope she crushes in 08 so that I can spend the next four years pointing and laughing at the people who brought us failure in Iraq. It won't ever make up for it but as long as conservatives refuse to attone for Iraq I'll have to settle for humiliation. Ummm...wasn't Hillary among those who voted in favor of the war?Stop bringing facts into it!All Democrats are great and all Republicans suck!Won't you ever learn? you got it half right... all politicians suck... maybe not at first, but they all fall into the same crap... they all seem to lock themselves into their own little box and think they are doing what we want, but in reality, they are doing what will get them the most money toward their and fellow party members reelection campaigns. 

This message was edited by boeman on 1-21-07 @ 2:56 PM

Dudeman

01-21-2007, 11:12 AM

Tenbatsuzen wrote: Dudeman wrote: how about referring to these two by their scholastic accomplishments:- first in her class at Yale Law School, valedictorian of Wellesley- editor of the Harvard Law Review that's sure alot fucking better than Bush, who both needed daddy to get him into schools, and more importantly, did jack shit while there. By that logic, Ken Jennings should be a candidate for president.  where in my logic did i equate law school with a game show?

boeman

01-21-2007, 11:28 AM

Dudeman wrote: Tenbatsuzen wrote: Dudeman wrote: how about referring to these two by their scholastic accomplishments:- first in her class at Yale Law School, valedictorian of Wellesley- editor of the Harvard Law Review that's sure alot fucking better than Bush, who both needed daddy to get him into schools, and more importantly, did jack shit while there. By that logic, Ken Jennings should be a candidate for president.  where in my logic did i equate law school with a game show?If you'd ever met a few of my lawyer friends, you'd have a problem telling the difference.

Dudeman

01-21-2007, 11:46 AM

boeman wrote: Dudeman wrote: Tenbatsuzen wrote: Dudeman wrote: how about referring to these two by their scholastic accomplishments:- first in her class at Yale Law School, valedictorian of Wellesley- editor of the Harvard Law Review that's sure alot fucking better than Bush, who both needed daddy to get him into schools, and more importantly, did jack shit while there. By that logic, Ken Jennings should be a candidate for president.  where in my logic did i equate law school with a game show?If you'd ever met a few of my lawyer friends, you'd have a problem telling the difference. are they- first in her class at Yale Law School- editor of the Harvard Law Review since you insulted your friends, ill say, not all lawyers are equivalent

blakjeezis

01-21-2007, 12:00 PM

I'm voting for these two for Prez and Veep:<img src="http://www.hbo.com/rome/img/90x94/castcrewlanding/season2/octavian_younger.jpg" border="0" width="90" height="94" />  <img src="http://www.hbo.com/rome/img/90x94/castcrewlanding/season2/markantony.jpg" border="0" width="90" height="94" />I'll write them in if I have to.

Tenbatsuzen

01-21-2007, 12:02 PM

Dudeman, I was equating high intelligence - which you are trying to equate with being a great leader - with being president. Intelligence is just once part of being a great president.  Another key is personality/likability.  Reagan may not have been head of his class, but he was smart AND likable.   And besides which, what you did in college and law school means SQUAT in getting elected.  People don't care if you did good or bad in school when they are voting for a president.  See GWB.

sr71blackbird

01-21-2007, 04:33 PM

If she wins, the last 4 elections will look like this:Bush Sr Mr Clinton Bush Jr Mrs Clinton

Death Metal Moe

01-21-2007, 04:43 PM

I don't get this thread. It took a turn where suddenly it was wrong to point out the obvious truth that there's plenty of people who won't vote for a woman or black man with a muslim part to his name?It's called REALISM, not RACISM.I understand that in order to break the norm, you have to run abnormal canidates from time to time.  BUT, after 8 years of this asshole and his Religious Right flunkies in office I really wish the Dems would run a white male instead of trying to push a new social experiment on the country.I'm not worried about Jersey, we're always Blue.  I'm worried about the red states the Dems are trying to swing.

Bulldogcakes

01-21-2007, 04:50 PM

sr71blackbird wrote: If she wins, the last 4 elections will look like this:Bush Sr Mr Clinton Bush Jr Mrs ClintonI'd even go back to 80 when Bush 1 was elected VP with Reagan. That would mean that for most of the people on this board, they have even never been alive when there wasn't a Bush or Clinton in the White House.

Dudeman

01-21-2007, 05:07 PM

Tenbatsuzen wrote: Dudeman, I was equating high intelligence - which you are trying to equate with being a great leader - with being president.> memorizing facts (game show) isn't the same as intelligence.  Intelligence is just once part of being a great president. Another key is personality/likability. Reagan may not have been head of his class, but he was smart AND likable.  > he was not smart. and likable is your opinion, certainly not mine. And besides which, what you did in college and law school means SQUAT in getting elected. People don't care if you did good or bad in school when they are voting for a president. See GWB.> i agree! my point was lets look at who is smart and hard-working (clinton and obama) instead of who >50% want to have a beer with (GWB).

ChrisTheCop

01-21-2007, 05:13 PM

Hillary just rubs me the wrong way. I think since she's been New York's senator, she's participated in some things that were good for the state (dont ask me for specifics, I'm just Joe-regular-voter here). But that's not enough. What I dont like about her is the way she became New York's senator. I know it's been done before, but something bothers me about when someone who's sworn their devotion to one state most of their lives, suddenly swoops in and steals a seat in the senate in whatever state becomes available. There were at least  2 highly qualified, life-long servants to and from the great state of New York, who I feel were more deserving of the position. But she came in, threw on a Yankee cap, and swore to us she was a life long yankee fan...and we believed her, cast our fellow New Yorkers, who had held an elected position in our government before, aside...even though we fully realized she was just using us to get closer to the white house. I really dont think anyone's surprised by today's announcement; we knew about her aspirations before we knew about Giuliani's cancer. As for Obama; All I know about him is what Ive seen on tv, and thats not enough to have an educated opinion. Personality wise, I like him. Thats all I know. I can see him being president (maybe because I'm a fan of 24?), but in order to win "the white vote" he really needs to change the face of his campaign. He always seems to be surrounded by other African Amer--- black people (I dont know where theyre from). Obviously nothing wrong with that, but to ease the minds of the slightly racist....pepper (or salt) those photo ops with a white guy here and there. In a perfect world, it wouldnt matter what his inner circle looked like, but we dont live in a perfect world; for example, Hillary Clinton is running for President.

INFOSTUD

01-21-2007, 06:48 PM

Clinton and Obama are the world's two biggest media whores. Neither of them has done anything as Senators. Neither have introduced any landmark legislation!!! Both are experts in pointing out what Bush has done wrong (which is just about everything), but neither have offered viable solutions. Clinton as a president would be too busy making excuses. Obama would be too busy grabbing media attention. I like the Nixon/Ford II idea. Even dead--those guys would do a better job than either Clinton or Obama.

This message was edited by INFOSTUD on 1-21-07 @ 10:50 PM

TheMojoPin

01-21-2007, 06:53 PM

INFOSTUD wrote: Clinton and Obama are the world's two biggest media whores. Neither of them has done anything as Senators. Neither have introduced any landmark legislation!!! Both are experts in pointing out what Bush has done wrong (which is just about everything), but neither have offered viable solutions. Clinton as a president would be too busy making excuses. Obama would be too busy grabbing media attention. I like the Nixon/Ford II idea. Even dead--those guys would do a better job than either Clinton or Obama. This message was edited by INFOSTUD on 1-21-07 @ 10:50 PM "Landmark legislation?"You've got to be shitting me.

HBox

01-21-2007, 06:59 PM

BUT, after 8 years of this asshole and his Religious Right flunkies in office I really wish the Dems would run a white male instead of trying to push a new social experiment on the country.You're right, that's not racist at all.

KC2OSO

01-21-2007, 07:17 PM

reillyluck wrote: i hope she wins. why?

epo

01-21-2007, 07:18 PM

TheMojoPin wrote: INFOSTUD wrote: Clinton and Obama are the world's two biggest media whores. Neither of them has done anything as Senators. Neither have introduced any landmark legislation!!! Both are experts in pointing out what Bush has done wrong (which is just about everything), but neither have offered viable solutions. Clinton as a president would be too busy making excuses. Obama would be too busy grabbing media attention. I like the Nixon/Ford II idea. Even dead--those guys would do a better job than either Clinton or Obama. This message was edited by INFOSTUD on 1-21-07 @ 10:50 PM "Landmark legislation?"You've got to be shitting me.Exactly.  Name one piece of legislation that the Democrats passed in the last 6 years?  Exactly, they couldn't.  I find that the citizens explain the 2000 & 2004 elections more and more each day.  Uggh.

A.J.

01-22-2007, 02:50 AM

Bulldogcakes wrote: sr71blackbird wrote: If she wins, the last 4 elections will look like this:Bush Sr Mr Clinton Bush Jr Mrs Clinton I'd even go back to 80 when Bush 1 was elected VP with Reagan. That would mean that for most of the people on this board, they have even never been alive when there wasn't a Bush or Clinton in the White House. And this will be the first time since 1976 that there hasn't been a Bush or Dole on the GOP ticket.

boobieman

01-22-2007, 08:28 AM

boobieman wrote:  I hope she is in...In a lesbian bar with a dildo up her pooper while her husband is banging another fat ass.  I hate the Clintons, especially the do nothing, mars attacks head Hilary. Only time I ever hear she is doing anything is when she can get some press. Speak out about a video game or against the war...wow that makes a difference.With this upcoming election I don't know who will win...either a cankled cunt or a black man (Which I do not know much about) either way I have a message board psychic..... THE PRESIDENT HAS BEEN SHOT. This country is just not ready for a black president or a women president...which is just sad.  SEE YA!!!  Maybe it's just you who isn't ready for a woman or a black person to be president!     No I am ready for a president that is going to take care of this country and not fuck it up more then it already is. I don't care what color..race..background or sex. As long as they can do the job. I don't care what their religion is either. Their beliefs should not be what the country has to beleive. So make a women or a black person be president....I don't have a probelm..but the south..that is another story.   SEE YA!!!

boobieman

01-22-2007, 08:31 AM

WOW I really really can't spell. WE NEED A SPELL CHECK HERE. SEE YA!!

tbagnu

01-22-2007, 08:36 AM

BREAKING NEWS!!!!!..i would like to announce here on this great network that i am announcing that i am going to run for president of the world!!!!!

Jujubees2

01-22-2007, 08:57 AM

tbagnu wrote: BREAKING NEWS!!!!!..i would like to announce here on this great network that i am announcing that i am going to run for president of the world!!!!! If you are a black, hispanic, jewish, muslim woman then you've got my vote!

tbagnu

01-22-2007, 09:07 AM

Jujubees2 wrote: tbagnu wrote: BREAKING NEWS!!!!!..i would like to announce here on this great network that i am announcing that i am going to run for president of the world!!!!! If you are a black, hispanic, jewish, muslim woman then you've got my vote!i would have to say that i am all-encompassing!!!

torker

01-22-2007, 09:22 AM

WRESTLINGFAN wrote: I would vote for this Hillary'she whose bosoms defy gravity'                 <img src="http://www.film.tv.it/imgbank/THUMB/TO/01071608.JPG" border="0" width="66" height="100" />

mendyweiss

01-22-2007, 09:29 AM

<img src="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/images/jones2_040198r.jpg" border="0" width="150" height="196" />Bill told me she can't suck it like I can !!

Justice4all

01-22-2007, 10:08 AM

TooCute wrote: Am I really the first person posting this story? Hillary's in. For real. <a href="http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/politics/chi-070120clinton- story,1,5416785.story?coll=chi-news-hed">News here</a> <a href="http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news? pid=20601103&sid=aKoAL7brCVs0&refer=us">and here</a> And I imagine it's on her website but I can't find it but I'm also lazy. If that bitch wins...I am moving to Canada.

Snacks

01-22-2007, 10:39 AM

boobieman wrote: boobieman wrote:  I hope she is in...In a lesbian bar with a dildo up her pooper while her husband is banging another fat ass.  I hate the Clintons, especially the do nothing, mars attacks head Hilary. Only time I ever hear she is doing anything is when she can get some press. Speak out about a video game or against the war...wow that makes a difference.With this upcoming election I don't know who will win...either a cankled cunt or a black man (Which I do not know much about) either way I have a message board psychic..... THE PRESIDENT HAS BEEN SHOT. This country is just not ready for a black president or a women president...which is just sad.  SEE YA!!! Maybe it's just you who isn't ready for a woman or a black person to be president!  No I am ready for a president that is going to take care of this country and not fuck it up more then it already is. I don't care what color..race..background or sex. As long as they can do the job. I don't care what their religion is either. Their beliefs should not be what the country has to beleive. So make a women or a black person be president....I don't have a probelm..but the south..that is another story. SEE YA!!!  I hear you but who did you vote for in the last 2 elections? If you say Bush then you need to understand hes the one who has made it this fucked up. I voted for Gore (the real winner) and Kerry who IMO should have never been the dem runner, but after what Bush did his first 4 years anything would have been better and the fact that this country "stayed the course" with Bush in 04 is just a shame.

Snacks

01-22-2007, 10:41 AM

Justice4all wrote: TooCute wrote: Am I really the first person posting this story? Hillary's in. For real. <a href="http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/politics/chi-070120clinton-%20%20story,1,5416785.story?coll=chi-news-hed">News here</a> <a href="http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news? pid=20601103&sid=aKoAL7brCVs0&refer=us">and here</a> And I imagine it's on her website but I can't find it but I'm also lazy. If that bitch wins...I am moving to Canada.Have fun in Canada, rent is cheaper there.Clinton/ Obama or Obama/Clark

boobieman

01-22-2007, 12:00 PM

boobieman wrote: boobieman wrote:  I hope she is in...In a lesbian bar with a dildo up her pooper while her husband is banging another fat ass.  I hate the Clintons, especially the do nothing, mars attacks head Hilary. Only time I ever hear she is doing anything is when she can get some press. Speak out about a video game or against the war...wow that makes a difference.With this upcoming election I don't know who will win...either a cankled cunt or a black man (Which I do not know much about) either way I have a message board psychic..... THE PRESIDENT HAS BEEN SHOT. This country is just not ready for a black president or a women president...which is just sad.  SEE YA!!! Maybe it's just you who isn't ready for a woman or a black person to be president!  No I am ready for a president that is going to take care of this country and not fuck it up more then it already is. I don't care what color..race..background or sex. As long as they can do the job. I don't care what their religion is either. Their beliefs should not be what the country has to beleive. So make a women or a black person be president....I don't have a probelm..but the south..that is another story. SEE YA!!!   I hear you but who did you vote for in the last 2 elections? If you say Bush then you need to understand hes the one who has made it this fucked up. I voted for Gore (the real winner) and Kerry who IMO should have never been the dem runner, but after what Bush did his first 4 years anything would have been better and the fact that this country "stayed the course" with Bush in 04 is just a shame. _________________   First time I voted for Bush...then I saw what monkey face was doing...I threw away my vote and voted for Frankinstein.....I don't know who I will vote for in the next election...maybe I will write in  tbagnu..Maybe.   SEE YA!!

NewYorkDragons80

01-22-2007, 03:30 PM

TheMojoPin wrote: OBAMAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!!John Edwards reminds me of "The Smiler" from the comic series Transmetropolitan. He's trouble. And evil. He's trevil. Seriously.  I can't believe Hilary leads a Minority-majority city like NY when a more charismatic black dude is running against her.  If the Democrats want another 4 years of a Republican presidency, by all means nominate Hilary.

NewYorkDragons80

01-22-2007, 03:32 PM

Snacks wrote:Obama/Clark Now that is an intimidating combination.  If the Dems win, count on Clark as SecDef.

Bulldogcakes

01-22-2007, 04:34 PM

Lets say you have a candidate, with no name who has this resume. -1 term in the Senate, just started 2nd term. No major legislation to speak of, no bi-partisan bills displaying an ability to work across party lines. -Supported the Iraq war-Spearheaded the health care reform policy which failed (largely due to the secret way the legislation was crafted, again displaying an inability to work with others) and cost the Democratic party the House and Senate after 40 straight years of control -Spearheaded education reform in Arkansas which saw the states rating go from 48th to 49th nationally. If this candidate was named Smith, nobody would consider him or her qualified. Yet no one seems to question Hilary's track record, or lack thereof. Again, let me ask what distinguishes her track record from hundreds of others in Washington? Why is she the BEST person for the job? Please tell me, I've yet to hear the argument made (I dont care about college, tell what she's done as a grown up)  To me this is not a turning away  from Bush, its doing the same thing. Voting for someone based on their last name, and disregarding their qualifications and track record. Its voting based on CELEBRITY, not substance. A fools errand, and IMO it shows we've learned nothing in the past few years as a country. At least the Republicans will never nominate another Bush after this shmuck W. I'd only hope she listens to Bill, who was always the more pragmatic of the two. But I doubt that. But then again, I dont think she will ever be elected. The fact of the matter is polling shows that both men and women trust men more in leadership positions, and with the international uncertainties and terrorist threats out there today I doubt people will have the stomach to roll the dice. Throw in her entrenched high negatives, her lack of ability to give stump speeches and 0% ability to shmooze. Anyone hear O&A today? Its already starting, the mocking of her Nurse Ratchet, monotone voice. Plus to top it off, she's another Northest Liberal. The Dems, they never learn.    

This message was edited by Bulldogcakes on 1-22-07 @ 8:38 PM

TheMojoPin

01-22-2007, 05:33 PM

If Obama is smart and it looks like he has a shot, I think he should get <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Richardson" target="_blank">Bill Richardson</a> to run as his VP.  He's a governor and has a lot of distinguished foreign policy service.  Find a spot for Wes Clark in the administration and you've got something rolling...I just finished both of his books and doing a lot of reading up on the guy, so I'm laying it down here....OBAMA IN '08!!!

Doomstone

01-22-2007, 10:57 PM

l<hr color="cococo" align="left">Tenbatsuzen wrote: Doomstone wrote: Well I guess not much has changed around here. "OH NO SHE'S A CUNT! LOOK OVER THAR, A NIGGER!" Mysoginists and racists...ÿAre you talking about RonFez.net or America in general?ÿIf you're referring to my "What or a What" reference, it's a Jim Norton line that basically was a parody of how exactly the South would react when faced with either choosing a woman or a black man for President.ÿI wouldn't vote for Hilary because of her carpetbagging.ÿ Plain and simple.ÿ I am indifferent to Obama until proven otherwise.ÿBeing a president isn't about who you are, what skeletons are in your closet, who you fucked and who you didn't - it is about BEING A LEADER.ÿ The ONLY person who I've seen to be a proven leader, a proven motivator, and a person with REAL, tangible results of what he's done - is Giuliani.ÿ Not just for 9/11, but the re-build of NYC he did before then.ÿ You want to call him an adulterer?ÿ Fuck that, there was some of that IN THE OVAL OFFICE. ÿÿ<hr color="cococo" align="left">

Susan, I wasn't referring to your post or the unfunny hack Jim Norton. Don't pick up that cross so quickly.

I just see shitheads saying things like "Oh man are the republicans just whackin it right now, the dems are running a woman or a black man with a terrorist name?" and "I hope she is in...In a lesbian bar with a dildo up her pooper while her husband is banging another fat ass...With this upcoming election I don't know who will win...either a cankled cunt or a black man"

Along with many of the comments in this thread since then, it's just sad.

CofyCrakCocaine

01-22-2007, 11:19 PM

Everyone's a little racist/prejudiced. For example, most people hate the KKK and Nazis. Wanna make it more modern? Terrorists...who typically are associated with a culture that's mostly not involved with their activities due to their lack of official structure and tendency to hide amongst civilians. Anyone ever see Avenue Q?

CofyCrakCocaine

01-22-2007, 11:29 PM

Oh and to be relevant to the topic at hand... I'd vote for Obama over Clinton. If she wins the nomination, I am not sure I will vote Dem, unless they have another obvious line-towing moron running for the Repubs. Why? Because of my feelings on her role in the New York Senate that were perfectly worded by ChristheCop. She strikes me as a fake...and someone who was appointed to a political role because of who was in her family, rather than her true credibility. Kind of like a certain fellow boogying in the White House right now...Her voting for the Iraq war also makes me like her less, and I think she's just riding the anti-war bandwagon now to curry political favor- a basic move, but in comparison to Obama who never voted for the war, she seems less authentic than him. Oh, and I wouldn't completely rule out the Middle States and the South...during the '04 election, upwards of 40% of those states did vote Blue, even though those states went to Bush...not all of them were 90% Red voters. Kerry was a horrible candidate, that was his problem. 

This message was edited by CofyCrakCocaine on 1-23-07 @ 3:30 AM

Doomstone

01-22-2007, 11:30 PM

<hr color="cococo" align="left">CofyCrakCocaine wrote: Everyone's a little racist/prejudiced. For example, most people hate the KKK and Nazis. Wanna make it more modern? Terrorists...who typically are associated with a culture that's mostly not involved with their activities due to their lack of official structure and tendency to hide amongst civilians. Anyone ever see Avenue Q?<hr color="cococo" align="left">

What the fuck are you babbling about?

Yerdaddy

01-23-2007, 12:36 AM

A.J. wrote: Yerdaddy wrote: I hope she crushes in 08 so that I can spend the next four years pointing and laughing at the people who brought us failure in Iraq. It won't ever make up for it but as long as conservatives refuse to attone for Iraq I'll have to settle for humiliation. Ummm...wasn't Hillary among those who voted in favor of the war?You know as well as I do she voted to <a href="http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/10/20021002-2.html" target="_blank">authorize the use of force</a>. Not the same thing as "in favor of the war". The Bush administration wanted this war and one of the ways they got it was by forcing the dems to vote for a use of force resolution three weeks before the midterm elections following 9-11 and before much evidence that the adminstration had been lying about WMD and al-Qaeda links were publicly available. The dems also had to take the administration on it's word that it would follow the letter of the resolution and use force as a last resort. Everyone knew then and apparently has forgotten now that Bush was taking us to war as long as the public was behind him and that the democrats were generally not in favor of the war and wanted renewed inspections, with continued military containment and economic isolation while we dealt with Bin Laden, Afghanistan and the war on terror. She also has a <a href="http://clinton.senate.gov/speeches/iraq_101002.html">floor speech clarifying her position at the time</a>. It's full of points to miss and misconstrue. Have fun.If conservatives are now going to pretend that democrats were just as willing to go to war with Iraq as republicans or that conservatives were not any more responsible for Iraq than the rest of the country then we are fucked.Seriously A.J. why did you of all people have to ask me this question? You want me to just lose all hope?

This message was edited by Yerdaddy on 1-23-07 @ 4:59 AM

Yerdaddy

01-23-2007, 01:13 AM

Gvac wrote: A.J. wrote: Yerdaddy wrote: I hope she crushes in 08 so that I can spend the next four years pointing and laughing at the people who brought us failure in Iraq. It won't ever make up for it but as long as conservatives refuse to attone for Iraq I'll have to settle for humiliation. Ummm...wasn't Hillary among those who voted in favor of the war?Stop bringing facts into it!All Democrats are great and all Republicans suck!Won't you ever learn? Yeah! That's exactly what I said!

Yerdaddy

01-23-2007, 01:32 AM

Bulldogcakes wrote: Yerdaddy wrote: I've never heard a good reason from a conservative for hating Hillary Clinton other than it's what conservatives are expected to do.Hating isn't what I'm arguing here, but here's why she shouldn't be president. 1) She's never been a chief exectutive of a state, a city or a donut shop, much less the entire country 2) What little experience she does have (Fixing education in Arkansas, National Health Care) she failed at miserably. 3) Cankles4) Many who've worked with her (Frmr Sec Sevice agents, Dick Morris, WH Travel office, Leon Panetta) will lead you to believe she doesn't have the temperment to be President.5) One and a half Senate terms simply doesn't cut it. Thats not enough time to see the cause and effect of most legislation both domestically and internationally.6) Being the first woman or the first black is a lousy reason to vote for anyone. I submit as evidence to you David Dinkins. Thats just as bad as voting for someone because of their last name, like Bush. Which, come to think of it, is also the case here.  7) Cankles cankles8) She's a lousy politician, lousy at stump speeches and if she wasn't married to Bill she wouldn't even be discussed. Which also makes her a lousy feminist, since last time I checked a good feminist is an independant, self sufficient woman. 9) What IS the reason why she's qualified? 10) Did I mention cankles?  Cankles are always funny. However, Taft had cankles and bigger tits than Hillary too I'm pretty sure.A couple of good points in there, but I think by the standard you set how many presidents should have been disqualified? Lincoln was, what? 2 terms in the House? Executive of nothing I can think of. And you realize <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillary_Clinton" target="_blank">she does have a longer resume</a> than you've assumed here (and infinitely more unpleasant physical features)? And you know I was referring to the crowd who will be claiming she gave Vince Foster AIDS, or are actually holding it against her that her husband was accused of rape in a politically motivated case that the judge unserimoniously threw out. (They had like $40 million to prove Bill was a rapist, they couldn't do it, but still Hillary's guilty? Wait, what?)Honestly I'd love to just set up a list of her qualifications but I'm on an island in Thailand, the sun's going down, I'm paying $4 per hour for internet, about half the chicks on the beach don't wear tops

Dan 'Hampton

01-23-2007, 02:13 AM

Yerdaddy wrote: Honestly I'd love to just set up a list of her qualifications but I'm on an island in Thailand, the sun's going down, I'm paying $4 per hour for internet, about half the chicks on the beach don't wear tops You're not there by yourself are you??

A.J.

01-23-2007, 03:58 AM

Yerdaddy wrote: Seriously A.J. why did you of all people have to ask me this question? You want me to just lose all hope? You hadn't typed lengthily here in a while.  That was my John Stockton-like assist.

A.J.

01-23-2007, 04:00 AM

Yerdaddy wrote: Cankles are always funny. However, Taft had cankles and bigger tits than Hillary too I'm pretty sure. But his penis probably wasn't as big as Hillary's.

Snacks

01-23-2007, 05:26 AM

Bulldogcakes wrote: Lets say you have a candidate, with no name who has this resume. -1 term in the Senate, just started 2nd term. No major legislation to speak of, no bi-partisan bills displaying an ability to work across party lines. -Supported the Iraq war-Spearheaded the health care reform policy which failed (largely due to the secret way the legislation was crafted, again displaying an inability to work with others) and cost the Democratic party the House and Senate after 40 straight years of control -Spearheaded education reform in Arkansas which saw the states rating go from 48th to 49th nationally.If this candidate was named Smith, nobody would consider him or her qualified. Yet no one seems to question Hilary's track record, or lack thereof. Again, let me ask what distinguishes her track record from hundreds of others in Washington? Why is she the BEST person for the job? Please tell me, I've yet to hear the argument made (I dont care about college, tell what she's done as a grown up)  To me this is not a turning away  from Bush, its doing the same thing. Voting for someone based on their last name, and disregarding their qualifications and track record. Its voting based on CELEBRITY, not substance. A fools errand, and IMO it shows we've learned nothing in the past few years as a country. At least the Republicans will never nominate another Bush after this shmuck W. I'd only hope she listens to Bill, who was always the more pragmatic of the two. But I doubt that. But then again, I dont think she will ever be elected. The fact of the matter is polling shows that both men and women trust men more in leadership positions, and with the international uncertainties and terrorist threats out there today I doubt people will have the stomach to roll the dice. Throw in her entrenched high negatives, her lack of ability to give stump speeches and 0% ability to shmooze. Anyone hear O&A today? Its already starting, the mocking of her Nurse Ratchet, monotone voice. Plus to top it off, she's another Northest Liberal. The Dems, they never learn.    This message was edited by Bulldogcakes on 1-22-07 @ 8:38 PM I'm voting obama/clark first but if hillary wins I will vote for her. To answer your question as to what she brings to the table different then someone else with the same trackrecord you stated? She has Bill and Bill was a great president and he knows how to wrok nicely with everyone. So when she needs Bill , Bill we be there. Its a way of giving Bill the 4 to 8 more years the country wanted to give him but couldnt back in 2000. I would love to see an obama/clark ticket. But I think it will be  Clinton/obma ticket. Which will be fine with me. It will also kick all those red staters square in the dick. They will just die having a women (clinton is a even worse for them) and a black man with a muslim name in the white house. How great America will be to show equality and the many colors/sexes of ou country to the world.

Justice4all

01-23-2007, 07:06 AM

Snacks wrote: I'm voting obama/clark first but if hillary wins I will vote for her. To answer your question as to what she brings to the table different then someone else with the same trackrecord you stated? She has Bill and Bill was a great president and he knows how to wrok nicely with everyone. So when she needs Bill , Bill we be there. Its a way of giving Bill the 4 to 8 more years the country wanted to give him but couldnt back in 2000. I would love to see an obama/clark ticket. But I think it will be  Clinton/obma ticket. Which will be fine with me. It will also kick all those red staters square in the dick. They will just die having a women (clinton is a even worse for them) and a black man with a muslim name in the white house. How great America will be to show equality and the many colors/sexes of ou country to the world.Explain to me how much better she would be then the current nimrod in the office now?Just because Bush is going to be gone soon does not mean we replace him with another idoit and make it seem like it is a good thing.If you vote to clinton you are pretty much saying this country needs a power tripping corrupt politician. Like we have not had THAT the last 8 years.   I really hope it is either Obama or McCain. those are the best choices we have so far.

Bulldogcakes

01-23-2007, 02:46 PM

Yerdaddy wrote:Honestly I'd love to just set up a list of her qualifications but I'm on an island in Thailand, the sun's going down, I'm paying $4 per hour for internet, about half the chicks on the beach don't wear tops  YOU BASTARD! I HATE YOU!! I HATE YOU HATE YOU AND I'M TELLING MOMMY ON YOU!!! If you dont start a thread soon detailing your days in Thailand I will . . . .well lets face it, I'll do nothing. But I wont like it one bit.

Bulldogcakes

01-23-2007, 03:08 PM

Yerdaddy wrote:You know as well as I do she voted to <a href="http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/10/20021002-2.html" target="_blank">authorize the use of force</a>. Not the same thing as "in favor of the war". The Bush administration wanted this war and one of the ways they got it was by forcing the dems to vote for a use of force resolution three weeks before the midterm elections following 9-11 and before much evidence that the adminstration had been lying about WMD and al-Qaeda links were publicly available. The dems also had to take the administration on it's word that it would follow the letter of the resolution and use force as a last resort. Everyone knew then and apparently has forgotten now that Bush was taking us to war as long as the public was behind him and that the democrats were generally not in favor of the war and wanted renewed inspections, with continued military containment and economic isolation while we dealt with Bin Laden, Afghanistan and the war on terror.  Trying to parse out "supporting the use of force" as a bargaining tool and then saying "Everybody knew Bush was going to war" just doesn't add up at all. Or at best, gives her no cover politically with either her anti-war base or the right of center middle. It makes her look like she's trying to have it both ways, and next thing you know SNL will be doing skits about her as the stereotypical woman who cant make up her mind. Which will do nothing to help her get elected as the nations first female pres.As far as Bush lying, the national intelligence estimate was available to anyone who cared to read it. Some who did (like Chuck Hagel) had enormous problems with it from the get go. If you dont do your homework, dont claim you were lied to afterwards. The facts were there for everyone to examine before they voted.    If conservatives are now going to pretend that democrats were just as willing to go to war with Iraq as republicans or that conservatives were not any more responsible for Iraq than the rest of the country then we are fucked.Make no mistake, this is Bush's war. His presidency will be forever defined by its outcome. But running away from supporting it now that its gone bad just her look like a typical gutless spineless pol. I have more respect for people who've criticized Bush's handling of the war (which she has also done) than those who go back and claim they were misled. Give Bush credit (and blame) for this. He takes a position and sticks to it. For better or worse. History may yet prove him right, but as of right now he has a 28% job approval rating, which is the lowest since Nixon in 74 just before he resigned.

Bulldogcakes

01-23-2007, 03:12 PM

Snacks wrote:She has Bill and Bill was a great president and he knows how to wrok nicely with everyone. So when she needs Bill , Bill we be there. Its a way of giving Bill the 4 to 8 more years the country wanted to give him but couldnt back in 2000. I would love to see an obama/clark ticket. But I think it will be Clinton/obma ticket. Which will be fine with me. It will also kick all those red staters square in the dick. They will just die having a women (clinton is a even worse for them) and a black man with a muslim name in the white house. How great America will be to show equality and the many colors/sexes of ou country to the world. I'd vote for Bill (again, I voted for him in 92) in a heartbeat. But he wont be in charge, she will. As far as your little fantasy about kicking red states in the dick, thats a great way to lose elections. You'll need some of those states to win.

Snacks

01-23-2007, 04:03 PM

Bulldogcakes wrote: Snacks wrote: She has Bill and Bill was a great president and he knows how to wrok nicely with everyone. So when she needs Bill , Bill we be there. Its a way of giving Bill the 4 to 8 more years the country wanted to give him but couldnt back in 2000. I would love to see an obama/clark ticket. But I think it will be Clinton/obma ticket. Which will be fine with me. It will also kick all those red staters square in the dick. They will just die having a women (clinton is a even worse for them) and a black man with a muslim name in the white house. How great America will be to show equality and the many colors/sexes of ou country to the world. I'd vote for Bill (again, I voted for him in 92) in a heartbeat. But he wont be in charge, she will. As far as your little fantasy about kicking red states in the dick, thats a great way to lose elections. You'll need some of those states to win.   you are a little correct. We will need some red states but we all know most red states will continue to vote they way they always have. So for the most part I would love to see the faces on some of these extreme right winger faces and all of fox news if and when the hated Hillary or black man Obama wins.I love when people bring DICK Morris into the discussion. Dick Morris is the biggest trader of a party I have ever seen. He will do whatever he can to fuck over the Clintons and the Dems, even though he helped Bill get into office.

RoseBlood

01-23-2007, 07:49 PM

<img src="/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/bye.gif" border="0" width="26" height="18" />     swinging on through.. fyi:was looking for a good picture of a girl with a rockin mullet, ya know, for my post in the 'long or short hair' thread..googled 'butch mullet' and *Whammo* Hillary's face smiling at me front page and center..ok, well.. i'm off to find more philosophical discussions like the 'hungry man breakfast appreciation' thread.

This message was edited by RoseBlood on 1-23-07 @ 11:51 PM

nwm

01-23-2007, 08:15 PM

Yerdaddy wrote: I've never heard a good reason from a conservative for hating Hillary Clinton other than it's what conservatives are expected to do. I hope she crushes in 08 so that I can spend the next four years pointing and laughing at the people who brought us failure in Iraq. It won't ever make up for it but as long as conservatives refuse to attone for Iraq I'll have to settle for humiliation. Not every conservative hates Hillary, but I do. Actually i really dislike her Hate is to strong of a word. Hillary is an ass.  As for laughing about who brought us this failure, Hillary voted for it. Do you think anything will change even if she did get elected?

nwm

01-23-2007, 08:20 PM

Death Metal Moe wrote: I'm not worried about Jersey, we're always Blue.  I'm worried about the red states the Dems are trying to swing.and look how wonderful a place Jersey is to live(thats a joke).  Fuck repulican fuck Democrat I am going to vote for Ronnie B he will get this govenrment back on track

CofyCrakCocaine

01-23-2007, 10:31 PM

Doomstone wrote: CofyCrakCocaine wrote: Everyone's a little racist/prejudiced. For example, most people hate the KKK and Nazis. Wanna make it more modern? Terrorists...who typically are associated with a culture that's mostly not involved with their activities due to their lack of official structure and tendency to hide amongst civilians. Anyone ever see Avenue Q?  What the fuck are you babbling about? You'd have to see the fucking musical to know, now wouldn't ya monkey boy? I was addressing all the guys in this thread accusing others of racism. In the show, there's a song titled 'Everybody's a little bit racist'. If you can't understand what I'm saying, that's your failure at reading a post, not mine.

Yerdaddy

01-23-2007, 10:39 PM

A.J. wrote: Yerdaddy wrote: Seriously A.J. why did you of all people have to ask me this question? You want me to just lose all hope? You hadn't typed lengthily here in a while.  That was my John Stockton-like assist."Yerdaddy...too beaucoup!  Too beaucoup!"

Yerdaddy

01-23-2007, 10:49 PM

dschef wrote: Yerdaddy wrote: Honestly I'd love to just set up a list of her qualifications but I'm on an island in Thailand, the sun's going down, I'm paying $4 per hour for internet, about half the chicks on the beach don't wear topsYou're not there by yourself are you??  I'm with a friend and an old flame is coming to travel around for about a month with me. If I get lonely I can always pick myself up another Thai girlfriend cheap cheap. Not whores mind you. It's just different here.Why do you ask that question anyway?

HBox

01-23-2007, 11:30 PM

CofyCrakCocaine wrote: Doomstone wrote: CofyCrakCocaine wrote: Everyone's a little racist/prejudiced. For example, most people hate the KKK and Nazis. Wanna make it more modern? Terrorists...who typically are associated with a culture that's mostly not involved with their activities due to their lack of official structure and tendency to hide amongst civilians. Anyone ever see Avenue Q?  What the fuck are you babbling about? You'd have to see the fucking musical to know, now wouldn't ya monkey boy? I was addressing all the guys in this thread accusing others of racism. In the show, there's a song titled 'Everybody's a little bit racist'. If you can't understand what I'm saying, that's your failure at reading a post, not mine.And everybody has committed a crime of some kind. That doesn't mean the speeders have no right to call out the murderers.

Bulldogcakes

01-24-2007, 02:34 AM

Yerdaddy wrote: dschef wrote: Yerdaddy wrote: Honestly I'd love to just set up a list of her qualifications but I'm on an island in Thailand, the sun's going down, I'm paying $4 per hour for internet, about half the chicks on the beach don't wear topsYou're not there by yourself are you??  I'm with a friend and an old flame is coming to travel around for about a month with me. If I get lonely I can always pick myself up another Thai girlfriend cheap cheap. Not whores mind you. It's just different here.Why do you ask that question anyway?I know Thailand has had a bad reputation lately, but its one of the most beautiful and exotic places on the planet. Like an asian version of Brazil, and the women are gorgeous. I'd jump at a chance to go there.  I know that O&A love to say "Any single guy who goes to Thailand by themselves is there for you know what" but I think its just a bit. And if they actually mean that, then they're idiots.

Yerdaddy

01-25-2007, 04:33 AM

Bulldogcakes wrote: Yerdaddy wrote: dschef wrote: Yerdaddy wrote: Honestly I'd love to just set up a list of her qualifications but I'm on an island in Thailand, the sun's going down, I'm paying $4 per hour for internet, about half the chicks on the beach don't wear topsYou're not there by yourself are you??  I'm with a friend and an old flame is coming to travel around for about a month with me. If I get lonely I can always pick myself up another Thai girlfriend cheap cheap. Not whores mind you. It's just different here.Why do you ask that question anyway?I know Thailand has had a bad reputation lately, but its one of the most beautiful and exotic places on the planet. Like an asian version of Brazil, and the women are gorgeous. I'd jump at a chance to go there.  I know that O&A love to say "Any single guy who goes to Thailand by themselves is there for you know what" but I think its just a bit. And if they actually mean that, then they're idiots.   No, they're pretty much right about that one.

TheMojoPin

01-25-2007, 07:17 AM

Bulldogcakes wrote: Yerdaddy wrote: dschef wrote: Yerdaddy wrote: Honestly I'd love to just set up a list of her qualifications but I'm on an island in Thailand, the sun's going down, I'm paying $4 per hour for internet, about half the chicks on the beach don't wear topsYou're not there by yourself are you??  I'm with a friend and an old flame is coming to travel around for about a month with me. If I get lonely I can always pick myself up another Thai girlfriend cheap cheap. Not whores mind you. It's just different here.Why do you ask that question anyway?I know Thailand has had a bad reputation lately, but its one of the most beautiful and exotic places on the planet. Like an asian version of Brazil, and the women are gorgeous. I'd jump at a chance to go there.  I know that O&A love to say "Any single guy who goes to Thailand by themselves is there for you know what" but I think its just a bit. And if they actually mean that, then they're idiots.   No, they're really not.  When I lived there, I'd say at least 90% of the older men we saw out in the bar/red light districts who were there alone or with other guys were there to pick up kids, period.  Boy or girl, the younger the "better."  And the overwhelming bulk of them were German.  And either a bunch of us from the international schools or the marines stationed at the embassy would teach those fucks a few lessons if we saw them trying to pick up children.If you're thinking about going to Thailand for the sexy, think again.  I loved living there, but you're asking for a multitude of problems if you're thinking of coming there expressly for "the exotic women."

Justice4all

01-25-2007, 07:47 AM

CofyCrakCocaine wrote: Doomstone wrote: CofyCrakCocaine wrote: Everyone's a little racist/prejudiced. For example, most people hate the KKK and Nazis. Wanna make it more modern? Terrorists...who typically are associated with a culture that's mostly not involved with their activities due to their lack of official structure and tendency to hide amongst civilians. Anyone ever see Avenue Q? What the fuck are you babbling about?  You'd have to see the fucking musical to know, now wouldn't ya monkey boy? I was addressing all the guys in this thread accusing others of racism. In the show, there's a song titled 'Everybody's a little bit racist'. If you can't understand what I'm saying, that's your failure at reading a post, not mine.I saw that show last month and it was fucking brilliant.  I laughed my ass off.

Bulldogcakes

01-25-2007, 02:30 PM

TheMojoPin wrote:No, they're really not. When I lived there, I'd say at least 90% of the older men we saw out in the bar/red light districts who were there alone or with other guys were there to pick up kids, period. Boy or girl, the younger the "better." And the overwhelming bulk of them were German. And either a bunch of us from the international schools or the marines stationed at the embassy would teach those fucks a few lessons if we saw them trying to pick up children.If you're thinking about going to Thailand for the sexy, think again. I loved living there, but you're asking for a multitude of problems if you're thinking of coming there expressly for "the exotic women."OK, I'll take your word for it. But its still looks like a gorgeous and exotic country and I'd love to go. I'd just stay away from the red light districts. And I stand by the statement that defining an entire country by its bad elements is idiotic. Funny, but stupid. Plus, this is all pie in the sky for me anyway. I haven't had a vacation in 12 years. I'm married to my stupid business.

Bulldogcakes

01-25-2007, 02:38 PM

Yerdaddy wrote: Bulldogcakes wrote:I know that O&A love to say "Any single guy who goes to Thailand by themselves is there for you know what" but I think its just a bit. And if they actually mean that, then they're idiots.  No, they're pretty much right about that one. So says the single guy?<img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/huh.gif" border="0" />I dont care what anyone says about that country, I still envy the shit out of you for being able to go there. Assuming, of course, that you're not one of those kid touchers. THAILAND=SCARLETT LETTER=KID TOUCHER!!!!      

This message was edited by Bulldogcakes on 1-25-07 @ 6:43 PM

TheMojoPin

01-25-2007, 02:42 PM

Bulldogcakes wrote: TheMojoPin wrote: No, they're really not. When I lived there, I'd say at least 90% of the older men we saw out in the bar/red light districts who were there alone or with other guys were there to pick up kids, period. Boy or girl, the younger the "better." And the overwhelming bulk of them were German. And either a bunch of us from the international schools or the marines stationed at the embassy would teach those fucks a few lessons if we saw them trying to pick up children.If you're thinking about going to Thailand for the sexy, think again. I loved living there, but you're asking for a multitude of problems if you're thinking of coming there expressly for "the exotic women."OK, I'll take your word for it. But its still looks like a gorgeous and exotic country and I'd love to go. I'd just stay away from the red light districts. And I stand by the statement that defining an entire country by its bad elements is idiotic. Funny, but stupid. Plus, this is all pie in the sky for me anyway. I haven't had a vacation in 12 years. I'm married to my stupid business.      The resort areas are pretty beautiful, but they really are the small element defining the majority like you're talking about.  The cities are insane messes and the countryside is pretty desolate.  I loved living there, I love the people, but it's no paradise.  And there's no reason to stay away from the red light districts...they make up the overwhelming bulk of the nightlife in the mjaor cities.  That's where the majority of the best bars and clubs are.  Patpong, Soi Cowboy, So Nana...those are the places you can't help but end up in Bangkok if you just want to go out at night, period.

dragon

09-10-2007, 09:15 AM

http://jezebel.com/gossip/big-chimpin./hillary-clinton-can-win-the-presidency-sez-chimp-297634.php

cupcakelove

09-10-2007, 09:30 AM

Yeah, but how does the chimp feel about stem cell research?

S0S

09-10-2007, 09:32 AM

Hillary is more electable than Obama or Edwards.
:sleep:

Fat_Sunny

09-10-2007, 09:51 AM

Hillary is more electable than Obama or Edwards.
:sleep:

Agreed. She Would Bring Out Alot Of The "Waitress/Single Mom/Young Women" Who Do Not Now Vote.

Unfortunately, There Is Still A Huge Silent Racist Vote That Will Not Vote For A Black Man (Especially A Democrat) Under Any Circumstance. That Is Why Hillary Won't Select Obama As A Running Mate.

ralphbxny

09-10-2007, 11:29 AM

She CAN? FUCK it!

Death Metal Moe

09-10-2007, 11:55 AM

Agreed. She Would Bring Out Alot Of The "Waitress/Single Mom/Young Women" Who Do Not Now Vote.

When has any politician been able to count on this or that segment of people who usually never vote?

You have to inspire A LOT of people to actually go register, then actually remember to go vote on election day.

I wouldn't count on it.

The Silencer

09-10-2007, 11:56 AM

please...i am only posting here to get to 100 posts lol

The Silencer

09-10-2007, 11:57 AM

no way

The Silencer

09-10-2007, 11:58 AM

cant win lmfao...I GOT 100 POSTS :smoke:

JPMNICK

09-10-2007, 11:58 AM

cant win lmfao...I GOT 100 POSTS :smoke:

you should start your own thread about it to congratulate yourself

King Hippos Bandaid

09-10-2007, 01:41 PM

you should start your own thread about it to congratulate yourself

:lol:

was thinking about starting a King Hippo Tied His Shoes Today Appreciation Thread..

:king:

dragon

09-10-2007, 02:06 PM

http://archives.cnn.com/2002/ALLPOLITICS/09/04/cf.crossfire/index.html

epo

09-10-2007, 03:31 PM

Now I remember why people wanted the 100 post rule for starting threads.

cupcakelove

09-10-2007, 03:34 PM

Your ability to post hyperlinks has swayed my political stance. O'Reilly in '08!

torker

09-10-2007, 03:42 PM

h

TheMojoPin

09-10-2007, 03:45 PM

In all seriousness, I think she can't do anything but hinder any Democratic attempts to retake the White House. Like it or not, there are few political figures that have the instantly polarizing power of Hillary. There are far too many people, Left or Right, that simply will not vote for her just because she's Hillary Clinton. I'm not saying here whether that's right or not...just that that's how it seems to me that her recognition would be far more detrimental than positive. Of course, in my opinion, that's no great loss at all. The Democrats can and should do MUCH better.

led37zep

11-03-2007, 09:37 AM

Are there any Hillary Clinton supporters here that can explain why she's so popular? In an election cycle where the left has a chance to move away from the status quo, why are so many people backing a candidate who represents everything about it? Is it because they think she can win? Are they nervous about a black candidate nationally? Do they think it will bring back the 90's (a la Bill Clinton)? Any ideas, cause I don't get it.

TooLowBrow

11-03-2007, 09:40 AM

it's because of bill

A.J.

11-03-2007, 09:54 AM

Do they think it will bring back the 90's (a la Bill Clinton)?

Correct!

led37zep

11-03-2007, 09:58 AM

it's because of bill

Correct!

Are either of you Hillary supporters and this is how you feel or just speculation?

TooLowBrow

11-03-2007, 10:02 AM

Are either of you Hillary supporters and this is how you feel or just speculation?

i cant support any candidate, theres nothing of any substance to support
they basically pander to whichever group they're speaking to

but, i would like to see bill in the white house again

ChrisTheCop

11-03-2007, 10:53 AM

I would vote for her just to keep the yankee's "Hillary Curse" alive.
(ever since she put on a yankee cap and said she's a fan, they havent won a world series).

but seriously, i have no idea why anyone in ny even voted for her to be senator, let alone run the whole show.

TooLowBrow

11-03-2007, 11:38 AM

I would vote for her just to keep the yankee's "Hillary Curse" alive.
(ever since she put on a yankee cap and said she's a fan, they havent won a world series).

but seriously, i have no idea why anyone in ny even voted for her to be senator, let alone run the whole show.

it's not a hillary curse, it's a 9/11 curse

Hottub

11-03-2007, 11:43 AM

http://www.gothamgazette.com/graphics/carpetbagger.jpg

A.J.

11-03-2007, 11:43 AM

Are either of you Hillary supporters and this is how you feel or just speculation?

She's going to win because the party faithful thinks Bill is the bee's knees -- particularly when they compare him to the current White House occupant. And, to echo what Bill said in 1992, "it's a 2 for 1 vote".

keithy_19

11-03-2007, 12:37 PM

I think it's because of Bill as well. Hell, I never supported him but I would love to go back to the time when he was in the white house.

TheMojoPin

11-03-2007, 01:03 PM

I think it's because of Bill as well. Hell, I never supported him.

Weren't you like 12 when he was last in office? You shouldn't have been worried about "supporting" anyone for president then.

keithy_19

11-03-2007, 01:32 PM

Weren't you like 12 when he was last in office? You shouldn't have been worried about "supporting" anyone for president then.

I was really into politics though. I would always sit and watch the news, and read the paper. I was more into politics back then than I am now. Granted, my insight into the world wasn't very good, I still tried to understand.

And my parents played a big role into who I "supported". Though, my mom was a republican and my dad a democrat. So he supported Bill and my mom supported Dole, when that election came up anyway. I believe she voted for him the first time around as well.

TheMojoPin

11-03-2007, 02:00 PM

I was really into politics though. I would always sit and watch the news, and read the paper. I was more into politics back then than I am now. Granted, my insight into the world wasn't very good, I still tried to understand.

And my parents played a big role into who I "supported". Though, my mom was a republican and my dad a democrat. So he supported Bill and my mom supported Dole, when that election came up anyway. I believe she voted for him the first time around as well.

Damn, dude. I wish you could have just been a kid.

Bulldogcakes

11-03-2007, 03:03 PM

I've said this all along. If her last name was "Jones" and you looked at her resume, no one would think she's ready. She's barely a 2 term senator whose legislative record is weak, she's lousy at giving stump speeches, and the two biggest things she was ever put in charge of (Education in Arkansas, Health care in White House) were both miserable failures.

A nation of 300 million people, and this is the best we can do. Pathetic.

lleeder

11-03-2007, 03:08 PM

Though, my mom was a republican and my dad a democrat.

That seems like a uncommon mix. Isn't it usually the other way?

SatCam

11-03-2007, 03:14 PM

I've said this all along. If her last name was "Jones" and you looked at her resume, no one would think she's ready. She's barely a 2 term senator whose legislative record is weak, she's lousy at giving stump speeches, and the two biggest things she was ever put in charge of (Education in Arkansas, Health care in White House) were both miserable failures.

A nation of 300 million people, and this is the best we can do. Pathetic.

well some of the most qualified people aren't aloud to run

http://www.stevebridges.com/images/arnold/gallerySept06/arnold8335.jpg

:drunk:

Bulldogcakes

11-03-2007, 03:17 PM

well some of the most qualified people aren't aloud to run

(What a dope)

Ooops! Sorry, I was just thinking allowed.

scottinnj

11-03-2007, 03:24 PM

http://www.stevebridges.com/images/arnold/gallerySept06/arnold8335.jpg

Is he wearing a mood ring?

TeeBone

11-03-2007, 03:37 PM

Any ideas, cause I don't get it.

It is because the national media would have us believe that America is so incredibly put off by a bumbling-stumbling Republican Bafoon, that the obvious choice is to vote for the polar opposite: A Fucking enabling, manipulative, lesbian, hypocritical double-speaking Socialist, Sociopath claiming to be a life-long New yorker at heart.

JESUS CHRIST, our forefathers are spinning in their graves at the sight of the whole lot of em': Hillary, Obama, Rudy ------ TAKE YOUR PICK OF THE LITTER. Regardless if a candidate in the coming election has a (D) or an (R) behind their name one thing is for certain: There will be no real leader, leading this country.

torker

11-03-2007, 03:57 PM

http://www.gothamgazette.com/graphics/carpetbagger.jpg

Here's your mirror and your ball and jacks

TheMojoPin

11-03-2007, 03:58 PM

JESUS CHRIST, our forefathers are spinning in their graves at the sight of the whole lot of em'

Why?

epo

11-03-2007, 04:20 PM

well some of the most qualified people aren't aloud to run

I agree that they aren't:

http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/ATA/0136P~Bill-Clinton-Posters.jpg

ChrisTheCop

11-03-2007, 04:25 PM

only the combo of hillary and gwb could make some people want bill back.

epo

11-03-2007, 04:35 PM

It is because the national media would have us believe that America is so incredibly put off by a bumbling-stumbling Republican Bafoon, that the obvious choice is to vote for the polar opposite: A Fucking enabling, manipulative, lesbian, hypocritical double-speaking Socialist, Sociopath claiming to be a life-long New yorker at heart.

JESUS CHRIST, our forefathers are spinning in their graves at the sight of the whole lot of em': Hillary, Obama, Rudy ------ TAKE YOUR PICK OF THE LITTER. Regardless if a candidate in the coming election has a (D) or an (R) behind their name one thing is for certain: There will be no real leader, leading this country.

Well Florida, thanks for your votes in 2000 & 2004. They made the difference! :thumbdown:

TeeBone

11-03-2007, 04:37 PM

Well Florida, thanks for your votes in 2000 & 2004. They made the difference! :thumbdown:

they sure as Fuck did and thank God they were all counted twice.

epo

11-03-2007, 04:49 PM

A nation of 300 million people, and this is the best we can do. Pathetic.

well some of the most qualified people aren't aloud to run

they sure as Fuck did and thank God they were all counted twice.

Actually this is a gigantic problem (qualifications), but we as a nation generally ignore what we want in this regard anyway.

In 2000 the Republican Party nominated a bumbling fuck-up instead of an honest, qualified man in John McCain.
In 2000, Al Gore was megaqualified, so our nation elected a bumbling fuck-up cuz we'd wanna have a beer with him.
In 2004, John Kerry was very qualified to become president of this nation and our nation re-elected this bumbling fuck-up cuz he was a "credible, honest guy".

And we wonder why we get the candidates we do? At this point, we as a populus haven't proven we deserve anything better!

TeeBone

11-03-2007, 05:00 PM

The best and the brightest are just that----Too smart and realize that being president just isn't worth it.
I'm not saying Dubya was/is over qualified to lead this Nation, but calling kerry 'Very Qualified' is a gross and egregious statement. Pull your head out of your ass.

epo

11-03-2007, 05:15 PM

The best and the brightest are just that----Too smart and realize that being president just isn't worth it.
I'm not saying Dubya was/is over qualified to lead this Nation, but calling kerry 'Very Qualified' is a gross and egregious statement. Pull your head out of your ass.

Yea....a guy who wrote a book in 1997 (The New War) which discussed the threat of organizations without nation-states and how to combat it, clearly didn't understand our changing world. We certainly couldn't use a person like that to run our foreign affairs. Indeed we got a bumbling fuck-up who attacks random nation states who don't threaten us.

Needless to mention his 20+ year record in the Senate. His work on Iran-Contra alone is pretty remarkable.

Whose head is in whose ass?

TeeBone

11-03-2007, 06:21 PM

Whose head is in whose ass?

I already told you, Dipshit....Your head is in your ass.

led37zep

11-03-2007, 06:47 PM

Ok, so nobody will admit to being a Hillary supporter or can give a reason other than a flash back to Bill?

TheMojoPin

11-03-2007, 06:47 PM

Settle down. Knock off the namecalling.

MellySmelly

11-03-2007, 07:04 PM

ha ha ha ha Hillary ha ha ha ha whore hahahahahahahahahahaha If she wins I will leave this country for good!

TooLowBrow

11-03-2007, 07:37 PM

Ok, so nobody will admit to being a Hillary supporter or can give a reason other than a flash back to Bill?

i also miss socks, the cat
...and maybe chelsea will turn into something

Kevin

11-03-2007, 07:48 PM

ha ha ha ha Hillary ha ha ha ha whore hahahahahahahahahahaha If she wins I will leave this country for good!

http://television.gearlive.com/blogimages/alec_baldwin.jpg Maybe you can join him..

MellySmelly

11-03-2007, 07:57 PM

http://television.gearlive.com/blogimages/alec_baldwin.jpg Maybe you can join him..

Nah, fuck him. He'd stay because she was in office. I'd only join him if he has a big cock, which I doubt.

epo

11-03-2007, 10:07 PM

ha ha ha ha Hillary ha ha ha ha whore hahahahahahahahahahaha If she wins I will leave this country for good!

Blah. I said the same thing in 2000 & 2004....but I never left.

TheMojoPin

11-03-2007, 10:10 PM

Nah, fuck him. He'd stay because she was in office. I'd only join him if he has a big cock, which I doubt.

http://www.tvgasm.com/newsgasm/images/moviegasm/glengarry-glen-ross.jpg

Yerdaddy

11-03-2007, 10:19 PM

The most important issue to me in this election is Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan and restoring America's credibility and honor in the world. Because of that my first choice is John McCain. He's got the brains and experience to know what the effects of the various options on Iraq would mean, (even if none of them are good options at this point), and the political courage to impliment policies that would give us the best chance at salvaging something positive in Iraq and without getting soldiers killed for his political gain. I think he's the guy most likely to do what's necessary in Iraq even when the public just wants us to abandon the place. He's also the only Republican candidate that isn't stupid or hateful enough to attack Iran when we don't even have the military capacity to win in Iraq. But because conservatives prefer one of the Bush clones he appears unelectable.

My second choice is Hillary. In part that's because she's the only electable Democrat simply because she's the only one with the testicles to defend herself against the inevitable Republican smear campaign. The other D candidates are all set to lose a general election for the same reasons Gore and Kerry did, (both of whom had infinitely better resumes to be the most powerful man in the universe than the retarded chimp they lost to), which was to appear weak and wishy-washy in the face of Republican attacks and to treat a moron in a national debate like he wasn't a moron. Hillary is the most likely candidate to call that shit what it is and finally prevent it from being a successful presidential campaing strategy - in which case we all win.

While I don't like the way she's played politics with Iraq I do think the fact that she's played both hawk and dove, and in the context of wanting to become President, I think she would be in a position to make the hard decision of staying in Iraq and doing what we can despite the public call to abandon it and Republicans shifting as much of the blame for the current situation in Iraq onto her. Granted, that last point would depend on how she and Bubba have learned how not to get pushed around by Republicans like Bubba did. It would also require her to inform the public why she's making the hard decisions in the face of conservative attacks which Bill had the ability to do but chose not to spend the political capital on issues like Rwanda and Iraq. But, unlike the other Democratic candidates I think she's at least capable of it. I also think she's most likely to listen to the uniformed military rather than fire them for not agreeing with her.

Other than that I like that she's a moderate, she's smart, she's learned quite a bit from failures like her failed health care campaign as First Lady, she's gone to bat for New York after 9-11 and for returning soldiers' care when Bush has neglected them, she's worked modify the Patriot Act to protect civil liberties rather than to simply oppose it or blindly support it, I think she (and Bubba) are the best people to properly call the right-wing propaganda what it really is and begin the necessary process of reducing its legitimacy and helping to lure conservatism back from its current extremism. I think she'll bring smart, qualified professionals to head the federal agencies and not unqualified cronies and campaign contributers or corporate opponents of those agencies devoted to destroying them. She doesn't make up her own words.

On general terms Clinton supporters consider her strong, responsible, and capable of leading on most issues. And probably as importantly I think we look at what Republicans have to offer and it scares the shit out of us: more unnecessary wars of aggression run by people who don't know what they're doing, more cronyism, corruption, and policies that benefit the richest classes of Americans - who have only been gaining larger and larger shares of America's wealth for the last 60 years.

And perhaps most of all, her election would piss off all the wanna-be facist cocksuckers who accused me of treason for opposing the Iraq war and have decided she's the antichrist, (even though my kitten is the real antichrist), without a shred of substantive evidence as to why they hate her other than their pundits told them to. That would put a smile on my face that would last at least through her first term.

Ritalin

11-04-2007, 02:42 AM

I am honestly agnostic about Hillary: she's been a good junior senator for my state, and she clearly knows what she's talking about. I've never been able to understand why she is so polarizing, and I don't think it's simply a case of Republicans being threatened by her and smearing her - although there's been a lot of that going around. There just seems to be an incredible amount of resentment towards her, and I've never heard a decent reason why.

I'm not a supporter, for sure. She was and is wrong about Iraq, I don't care for her stance on immigration and I never feel that she answers questions honestly. But I don't hate her like so many other people do.

Hater, can you explain?

sailor

11-04-2007, 03:24 AM

democrats are starting to attack hillary for being the great equivocator (the 1st video on this page was produced by edwards' people, don't know where the 2nd came from) during the debates. i'm very interested to see how big an issue this becomes.

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