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furie

08-11-2005, 03:43 PM

"The President has unfortunately confused the difference between science and belief." 
- Fred Spilhaus, Executive Director of the American Geophysical Union
 

 
UPDATED 11:50 P.M. ET: To
the chagrin of scientists, President Bush said Monday he believes
schools should discuss "intelligent design'' alongside evolution when
teaching students about the creation of life.

 
 During
a round-table interview with reporters from five Texas newspapers, Bush
declined to go into detail on his personal views of the origin of life.
But he said students should learn about both ideas, Knight Ridder
Newspapers reported.

 
"I
think that part of education is to expose people to different schools
of thought,'' Bush said. "You're asking me whether or not people ought
to be exposed to different ideas, the answer is yes.''

 
Intelligent
design says life on Earth is too complex to have developed through
evolution, implying that a higher power must have had a hand in
creation.
 
<a href="http://www.livescience.com/othernews/ap_050802_bush_design.html">More...</a> 
 
 
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HBox

08-11-2005, 03:49 PM

"You're asking me whether or not people ought to be exposed to different ideas, the answer is yes.''The
guy who asked should have responded "No, I'm asking you if kids should
be taught intelligent design. Stop putting words in my mouth
fuckface."

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Death Metal Moe

08-11-2005, 03:58 PM

This is the kind of stuff that makes militias form.

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TheMojoPin

08-11-2005, 04:00 PM

I say anyone who proposes this kind of widespread fruitcake religious nuttery gets a one-way ride to Gitmo, with the REST of their crazy buddies!

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HBox

08-11-2005, 04:11 PM

I remember reading on a blog somewhere that a guy
called a bunch of conservative columnists who have supported
intelligent design and asked them if they actually believed in it
themselves. About two-thirds of them were honest and answered yes or
no, but the funny part was the other third trying to weasel their way
through a response without an answer. 


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HBox

08-11-2005, 04:18 PM

<a href="http://theotherleading.com/temp/EvolutionaryWar.htm" target="_blank">Here it is. It was actually in the New Republic. The first two are hilarious, William Kristol and Grover Norquist.</a> 

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booster11373

08-11-2005, 05:27 PM

This is a nutjob theroy propergated by nutjobs, These are the same sort of people who believed the world was flat and that the sun revolved around the Earth. If your going to teach kids that some greater power made us then why not say that aliens had something to do with it to.And Darwinism isnt a theroy its pretty damn well been proven. 

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Bulldogcakes

08-12-2005, 04:07 PM

Without pissing all over anyones religious beliefs, I think that
Religion is best taught in Churches/Mosques/Synagogues. And teach
science in public scools. BTW Mr Prez, If someone attends
his/her church, and goes to school, wont they be exposed to both ideas?
Or are we just trying to convert the heathens here?   

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Dudeman

08-12-2005, 06:35 PM

Intelligent design is total bullshit. This crap must be shot down emphatically. If anyone is interested in understanding the completely erroneous ideas behind I.D., I highly highly recommend reading this article (even though the author doesn't tear apart the ideas behind ID as strongly as he could)

http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/articles/050530fa_fact

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DJEvelEd

08-12-2005, 08:19 PM

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curtoid

08-12-2005, 08:21 PM

<blockquote style="">quote:<a href="http://theotherleading.com/temp/EvolutionaryWar.htm" target="_blank">Here it is. It was actually in the New Republic. The first two are hilarious, William Kristol and Grover Norquist.</a> [/quote] It's always a very sad day whenever I find myself agreeing with Charles Krauthammer. Tucker Carlson is the biggest boob in the world.  

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furie

08-13-2005, 07:00 AM

quote:Can't we all just evolve into God and end this already!?! we haven't gotten to season 5 yet. 

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Furtherman

08-13-2005, 07:45 AM

Dinosaurs ruled this planet for 150 million years.  ONE million years ago, we weren't even on the radar yet for this planet.Our primitive minds invented gods to ease our minds as to what the hell is going on.Intelligent design is just the latest to get thrown in the basket with god, jesus, allah, zeus, pele and all the other foolish notions that prevent people from finding comfort, fear, guidance, doubt and all the other emotions within themselves.We're nothing more than highly evolved animals.  

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Dudeman

08-13-2005, 09:14 AM

The sad thing about the ID people's position is that it basically can be summed up as: "I can't figure out how this complex stuff could have evolved by Darwinian evolution." Well they shouldn't worry because people alot smarter than them can.

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bobrobot

08-15-2005, 05:55 AM

How is BU$H qualified to discuss "Intelligent Design" when he's never done anything intelligent?  Nothing scares me more than fundamentalists !!!<img title="william blake meets andy warhol" height="475" alt="william blake meets andy warhol" src="http://home.austarnet.com.au/stear/Primordial%20Soup.gif" width="328" border="0" /><img src="http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y46/bobogolem/bobocosmicegg.jpg" border="0" />"The book above all others which should be forbidden is a catalogue of forbidden books"-Lichtenberg

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Knowledged_one

08-15-2005, 06:12 AM

You guys gotta remember he is from the south and they don't teach evolution in those areas, while we in the North get taught evolution.My brothers fiancee is from North Carolina and believes in creationism not evolution, now do i think its stupid yes, but when that is what you are taught from day 1 its hard to break

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Furtherman

08-16-2005, 09:10 AM

That's why more and more I look around and see that the right education could stop so many problems from ever happening.

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UnknownPD

08-16-2005, 09:42 AM

You guys gotta remember he is from the south and they don't teach evolution in those areas, while we in the North get taught evolution.While I love your Northern ethnocentricity your wrong....every public school in the country teaches evolution. I was born and bred in NYC but spent years living down South... I think Southerners like to be underestimated while they kick your ass.

UnknownPD

08-16-2005, 10:31 AM

Our primitive minds invented gods to ease our minds as to what the hell is going on.You were there? I actually happen to agree with you, but a big part of living in a free society is to accept the beliefs of others even if you don't agree. By making this "definitive" statement you are denigrating the views of others...people who are of equal inteligence, but have chosen a different path.

Furtherman

08-16-2005, 10:51 AM

quote:  quote: Our primitive minds invented gods to ease our minds as to what the hell is going on.  You were there? I actually happen to agree with you, but a big part of living in a free society is to accept the beliefs of others even if you don't agree. By making this "definitive" statement you are denigrating the views of others...people who are of equal inteligence, but have chosen a different path. No, I was not there.  I have not said other's views are worth less either.  But as part of a free society, it is also my right to question the intelligence of any person who has chosen the path of intelligent design.  Especailly if they are going to teach it to children. Do you know how life starts?  Any life?  You take ammonia, methane, and water (what was present on primitive Earth) - put it in a glass beaker.  Add an electrical charge (the same as lightning).  In a couple of days you will have a brown goo.  It's sticky, it's gross but it's full of amino acids, which in turn builds proteins - the main ingredients of life.  Add a couple hundred million years of evolution (hits and misses) and you'll have what we see today.  Unless you are at a different point in the universe, then you may have something different, who knows, but it's not the result of something cooking it up in it's cosmic kitchen - it's a natural process.  

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Knowledged_one

08-16-2005, 10:55 AM

I agree with Furtherman - Religion is an opiate for the masses.  Religion isn't a bad thing, but in my opinion it is an excuse to give people a reason to hope and believe when their lives aren't great.

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Furtherman

08-16-2005, 11:07 AM

It is an excuse to give people a reason to hope and believe in something else other than themselves.  It is no different than writing that letter to Santa Claus begging to get the Chain Lightning dominos set. 

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TheMojoPin

08-16-2005, 12:23 PM

It still baffles me that hardcore religious people can't reconcile their faith in a higher power and an idea like evolution.  To me, the way science says life in the universe was created is pretty fucking miraculous.  Evolution?  Amazing.  The Big Bang?  How does it get more God-like than THAT?!?  God creating the building blocks for life to develop on Earth the way it has seems pretty fan-fucking-tastic to me.  Why does evolution automatically disprove the existence of a higher power?  Answer: It doesn't.  These assholes just hate monkeys.

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Furtherman

08-16-2005, 12:36 PM

There absolutley may be a higher power.  It's very possible that our universe was created by someone/something in another universe.  But I doubt they are the end all of be all.  Then again it's very possible that our small human minds can't wrap around anything else besides a simple explanation of how we got here - that a god put us here.But that higher power has made itself known to us?  It's all bullshit.  There is not one shread of evidence - either in the past or the present - that there is a higher power watching over us.

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booster11373

08-16-2005, 12:38 PM

Teach that God is a black muslim woman, and that will end this shit real quick

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Slappy

08-16-2005, 01:20 PM

Im a catholic, but one is science and one is beleif masquarading as a science.  Its ridi-licka-licka-lickalus.  The problem with intelligent discourse now is that people, in the interest of providing equal time to all point sof view, give certain point sof view which are just oplain stupid equal time.  And opie is a retard.

Bulldogcakes

08-16-2005, 02:32 PM

quote:We're nothing more than highly evolved animals.

 Were not that highly evolved  <img width="203" height="256" border="0" src="http://www.thexvest.com/images/_new/today-top3.jpg" />"Though I did invent the phrase "Bad hair day!" 

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Bulldogcakes

08-16-2005, 02:35 PM

quote: While
I love your Northern ethnocentricity your wrong....every public school
in the country teaches evolution. I was born and bred in NYC but spent
years living down South... I think Southerners like to be
underestimated while they kick your ass.

 I've lived in NYC my
whole life a completely agree with you. For every southern trailer
park, I'll give you a northern housing project. And it'll be a wash. 

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Bulldogcakes

08-16-2005, 02:37 PM

quote: The Big Bang? 
 I believe in the "Gang Bang Theory" myself.
Sooner or later, everybody gets fucked. So reach over and grab a little
ass while you're around here. 

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08-16-2005, 02:41 PM

Furtherman

08-17-2005, 08:12 AM

quote: No offence to our southern brothers, but it seems to me that most of this crap originates and takes hold in the southern and midwest parts of the country, Your not going to see a sticker on a textbook in NYC saying evolution is just a theroy but you will in the great state of Kansas and the Scopes trail took place in the state of Tennessee I know not all southerners fall for a majority of the teachings bestowed upon them at a young age, but you sure wouldn't find someplace like <a href="http://www.csicop.org/si/2004-11/hovind.html" target="_blank">Kent Hovind’s Dinosaur Adventure Land</a> anywhere north of the Mason-Dixon line.Excluding the crazy Mormons of course.  

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Mike Teacher

08-17-2005, 12:55 PM

No offence to our southern brothers, but it seems to me that most of this crap originates and takes hold in the southern and midwest parts of the country, Your not going to see a sticker on a textbook in NYC saying evolution is just a theroy but you will in the great state of Kansas and the Scopes trail took place in the state of Tennessee =Sadly, what you will see up north, and south, and north by northeast, is a staggering science illiteracy, and most people don't have the slightest clue about what Evolution is and is not, even the general science needed to begin studying stuff like this? Peeps don't have it. They don't care, which is fine, Evolution doesn't seem to be a big concern on our daily calendars. There is a movie I have called 'A Private Universe' and it's Graduation Day for students, and the camera and interviewer walk around and ask people the question I have asked classes [yes, I give you a test when you walk in to my class for the first time, didnt you Hate those teachers? me too.] since 1991: Why is it hotter in the summer then in the winter?You dont know whether to laugh or cry as you see the students try to answer, showing they have absolutely no idea; or have a good idea, that is unfortunately, dead wrong. The students fail to give a correct answer, again and again...And the kicker: This was Graduation Day for Harvard University, the students Harvard Grads, diplomas literally in hand, the teachers were Harvard Profs, wearing their gowns, and all of them getting it dead wrong.<img src="http://members.aol.com/miketeachr/esig" border="0" />

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Furtherman

08-17-2005, 01:02 PM

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JPMNICK

08-17-2005, 01:03 PM

quote: I say anyone who proposes this kind of widespread fruitcake religious nuttery gets a one-way ride to Gitmo, with the REST of their crazy buddies! i do not know if you are serious or not. But i am, and I agree with this 100%

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08-17-2005, 01:08 PM

"I say anyone who proposes this kind of widespread fruitcake religious nuttery gets a one-way ride to Gitmo, with the REST of their crazy buddies!" You know, that is true.  Teaching that women are to cover themselves from head to toe or that god said to noah there's gonna be a floody-floody, (or thinking that it's cold in the winter because the earth is farther away from the sun) is just wrong and should be considered harmful to children.

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Bulldogcakes

08-17-2005, 03:42 PM

quote: 
I have asked
classes [yes, I give you a test when you walk in to my class for the
first time, didnt you Hate those teachers? me too.] since 1991: Why is
it hotter in the summer then in the winter? Ha!
What idiots! Everybody knows it's hotter in the summer because the
Devil starts burning all the sinners right after Easter. 

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08-17-2005, 04:02 PM

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Death Metal Moe

08-17-2005, 04:05 PM

I say we just find God and kill him to end this whole thing.

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booster11373

08-18-2005, 05:04 PM

While there at it why not cast some doubt on gravity ( I know its a fake story )<a href="http://www.theonion.com/news/index.php?issue=4133&n=2" target="_self">http://www.theonion.com/news/index.php?issue=4133&n=2</a>"Things fall not because they are acted upon by some gravitational force, but because a higher intelligence, 'God' if you will, is pushing them down," said Gabriel Burdett, who holds degrees in education, applied Scripture, and physics from Oral Roberts University.

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08-18-2005, 05:24 PM

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Bulldogcakes

08-18-2005, 06:38 PM

quote: 
Why is
it hotter in the summer then in the winter?Well since you threw this out, I'll take a stab at it.  The
Earth goes in an elliptical orbit around the Sun, which is to say more
of an "oval" path than a "round". And at certain times of the year were
closer to the sun than others. Earth also tilts on its axis, so the
seasons reverse above and below the equator depending on the tilt. 
Am I close? 

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furie

08-19-2005, 05:10 AM

Why is it hotter in the summer then in the winter? I thought it was because God sleeps in the winter.... 

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Fantom33

08-24-2005, 03:58 PM

IF there is a god, then why did he/she/it created life with genetic information that is 99% crap?Either he/she/it is not all-powerful or doesn't exist.

Fantom33

08-24-2005, 04:03 PM

IF there is a god, then why did he/she/it created life with 99% of its genetic information that is crap?Either he is stupid, not all-powerful, sloppy, or combination of the three. If there is a god, why does he/she /it let so money people die?

Death Metal Moe

08-24-2005, 04:06 PM

God is dead.

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Dudeman

08-24-2005, 04:14 PM

quote:<hr color="cococo" align="left"> IF there is a god, then why did he/she/it created life with genetic information that is 99% crap?Either he/she/it is not all-powerful or doesn't exist. 
<hr color="cococo" align="left"> 

I assume by "crap" you mean non-coding. More and more data is showing how this crap (or as it was called in more scientific worlds, junk) DNA is absolutely vital in controlling things like gene expression. For example, see topics such as: epigenetic modifications, methylation, histones, etc. Be careful with your arguments.

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Mike Teacher

08-24-2005, 06:39 PM

Introns and Exons, more specifically, for the 'non'-coding, and coding, respectively.

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Dudeman

08-24-2005, 06:45 PM

quote:<hr color="cococo" align="left">Introns and Exons, more specifically, for the 'non'-coding, and coding, respectively.

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Mike the teacher, you are wrong. "Non-coding" does not equal introns. Introns are only a small small small minority of the non-coding DNA. Furthermore, most molecular biologists would consider "crap/ junk" DNA (which is how this started) to be the non-transcribed DNA, of which introns are not.

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Mike Teacher

08-25-2005, 01:05 AM

you do see the little quote marks around 'non'?

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Furtherman

08-25-2005, 07:13 AM

If they can ever find the gene that controls fear, god will simply vanish. 

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Mike Teacher

08-25-2005, 07:49 AM

Yeah but we need that Fear gene [let's assume there's a fear gene, there isn't, but...] and that's the problem.The brain had to keep working as it evolved [hey! back on thread topic, there's a first for moi], meaning, all of our 'lower' brain functions, like that of, say, a lizard, are all still there, all functioning, so while the higher structures abstract and think about math and poetry, there's still the animal in us, with all the hard-wiring for agression, territoriality, fear, rage... and, in my opinion, a lot of what we are, and how we behave boils down to the struggle between these areas.Someone cuts you off and one part of your brain says; 'Gee, that person just cut me off' while another says, 'I want to Kill that MoFo'. Which do we choose? 

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Furtherman

08-25-2005, 07:53 AM

You're right, we DO need the fear gene.  What we need (or many people need) are some more common sense genes.

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Furtherman

08-25-2005, 12:47 PM

<a href="http://thepaincomics.com/weekly041229.htm" target="_blank">Science vs. Norse Mythology</a> (which really isn't all that different from the bible or any other creation story).

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furie

08-25-2005, 12:59 PM

quote:<a target="_blank" href="http://thepaincomics.com/weekly041229.htm">Science vs. Norse Mythology</a> (which really isn't all that different from the bible or any other creation story).

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Fantom33

08-25-2005, 01:07 PM

I assume by "crap" you mean non-coding. More and more data is showing how this crap (or as it was called in more scientific worlds, junk) DNA is absolutely vital in controlling things like gene expression. For example, see topics such as: epigenetic modifications, methylation, histones, etc. Be careful with your arguments.      I'm not pulling this out from the blue. About a year ago I took a course in genetics at a local community college. My instructor said that 99% of the DNA itself is "crap". Histones and the other stuff you refer to don't count. I'm talking about the AGCT components only. IN addition, he theorized that the crap served as a shield against unwanted mutation from cosmic rays, background radiation, etc. It's not really a shield but it helps reduce the probability of mutations. If I remember correctly, the excess of "crap" DNA is the result of millions of years of evolution. When a cell replicates, it adds a little bit of crap DNA each time.

Furtherman

08-25-2005, 01:14 PM

<a href="http://www.economist.com/science/displayStory.cfm?story_id=4078826" target="_blank">Helpful junk</a>"THE brain is the most complicated object known. How it gets that complicated is, however, almost completely unknown. But part of the answer may turn out to be junk—at least that is the conclusion of a study led by Fred Gage of the Salk Institute in La Jolla, California, which has just been published in Nature.One of the puzzling features of the human genome is that although genes are numerous they actually form less than 5% of the DNA in a cell nucleus. The rest was thus, rather cavalierly, dubbed “junk DNA” by those who discovered it. Gradually, a role for some of this junk has emerged. In particular, parts of it regulate the activity of genes, and thus which proteins are produced and in what quantities. That has implications for what a cell does—or, to put it another way, what type of cell it is. "

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Mike Teacher

08-25-2005, 03:05 PM

From the article:=Retrotransposons are sometimes known as “jumping genes”. They pop from chromosome to chromosome with gay abandon. =Two words: Al Dukes

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booster11373

09-26-2005, 05:04 AM

Intelligent designIts just not in the south anymoreEleven parents in the US state of Pennsylvania are taking their local school board to court in an attempt to protect the teaching of evolution. <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4282692.stm" target="_self">http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4282692.stm</a>

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Furtherman

09-30-2005, 08:29 AM

I wish this would be the lead story of every news program today.<a href="http://www.timesonline.co.uk/printFriendly/0,,1-2-1798944-2,00.html" target="_blank">Societies worse off 'when they have God on their side'</a>The paper, published in the Journal of Religion and Society, a US academic journal, reports: “Many Americans agree that their churchgoing nation is an exceptional, God-blessed, shining city on the hill that stands as an impressive example for an increasingly sceptical world. “In general, higher rates of belief in and worship of a creator correlate with higher rates of homicide, juvenile and early adult mortality, STD infection rates, teen pregnancy and abortion in the prosperous democracies. “The United States is almost always the most dysfunctional of the developing democracies, sometimes spectacularly so.” 

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The Jays

09-30-2005, 11:43 AM

What I'm fascinated about is the fact that scientists have observed
organisms creating nylonase, the enzyme needed to break down
nylon.  Thing is, there was no such thing as nylon before the year
1935, it's a synthethetic material.  How was God such an
incredible designer that he came up with enzymes for stuff that might
never come into existence? 


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booster11373

09-30-2005, 02:27 PM

<h1>Why scientists dismiss 'intelligent design'</h1><h2>It would ‘become the death of science’</h2><a href="http://msnbc.msn.com/id/9452500/" target="_self">http://msnbc.msn.com/id/9452500/</a>They see intelligent design (often called ID) as a revolutionary new science and themselves as revolutionaries. They envision toppling Darwinian evolution – once a revolutionary idea itself – and erecting in its place a theory about life that allows for supernatural explanations, a theory that makes God, or some entity very much like him, not just possible but necessary Why is the sky blue because GOD said so thats whyE=MC2 Means god is great

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HBox

11-08-2005, 08:33 PM

Just an interesting side note to the Dover Pennsylvania
Intelligent Design case. For those who don't know, the school board
made a policy that makes teacher's say the evolution is one unproven
theory and that Intelligent Design is an alternative. 
I
know you will all love this. EVERY SINGLE SCHOOL BOARD MEMBER WAS VOTED
OUT TODAY!!!!!!!! HAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!<a href="http://www.pandasthumb.org/archives/2005/11/apparent_end_of.html" target="_blank">Linky.</a> 

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PapaBear

11-08-2005, 08:45 PM

This could be a bad thing. The fact that they were all voted out, may be a good argument to prove that Intelligent Design is right. They were obviously voted out by an intelligent higher power.

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shodan

11-08-2005, 10:41 PM

The idea that the religious right are fostering that  Intelligent Design is a theory is what really angers me. A theory is an idea that can be empirically proven or disproven, something that can not be done for Intelligent Design. Give someone a little knowledge and they think they are scientists. Pure Idiocy. I weep for this fucking country.

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Mike Teacher

11-09-2005, 01:41 AM

Good News; as now we can sit back and watch as some other countries take the reins and become the world leader in science. We fucked that long ago; between the ban on researchining new stem cell lines to a state voting down one of the best proven, central tenets of science, we can re-create the time when we sat back and watched the USSR kick our ass time and time again, only problem being the non-existance of said USSR today.No worries, some other nations will do the research, make the discoveries, get the patents, make the money, get the prestige. Most importantly, science will move forward.Elsewhere, but forward.I guess as a nation, we really are that fucking stupid. The majority of americans now poll as not believing in evolution. This translates to the majority of Americans don't give a flying fuck about science, and are science illiterate.Which is fine. Science is often boring and sterile, and it actually takes time to study a bit to understand some of the basics of evolution, but people would rather do just about anything else. Bad schools, bad teachers, a culture that cares more about celebs then reality, and people whose universe ends at the end of their skins. This is us, the USA. Fat, lazy, and now to go along, stupid too.I want diseases that we Know we can cure with the right research cured, and the preventable prevented. And the list is long. I dont give a shit who cures them. The dying person doesnt ask what country the cure is from. =Does anyone else feel the change, the shift? I mean the big one, bigger then all of this? I do; it speaks unambiguously.

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Yerdaddy

11-09-2005, 02:51 AM

<a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9967813/" target="_blank">You win some, you lose some</a>Kansas education board downplays evolution State school board OKs standards casting doubt on DarwinMSNBC News Services Updated: 8:34 p.m. ET Nov. 8, 2005 TOPEKA, Kan. - Risking the kind of nationwide ridicule it faced six years ago, the Kansas Board of Education approved new public-school science standards Tuesday that cast doubt on the theory of evolution.The 6-4 vote was a victory for “intelligent design” advocates who helped draft the standards. All six of those who voted for the new standards were Republicans. Two Republicans and two Democrats voted no. “This is a great day for education. This is one of the best things that we can do,” said board chairman Steve Abrams. Another board member who voted in favor of the standards, John Bacon, said the move “gets rid of a lot of dogma that’s being taught in the classroom today.”John Calvert, a retired attorney who helped found the Intelligent Design Network, said changes probably would come to classrooms gradually, with some teachers feeling freer to discuss criticisms of evolution. “These changes are not targeted at changing the hearts and minds of the Darwin fundamentalists,” Calvert said.The Seattle-based Discovery Institute, which supports challenges to Darwinian evolutionary theory, praised the Kansas effort. “Students will learn more about evolution, not less as some Darwinists have falsely claimed,” institute spokesman Casey Luskin said in a written statement.Science redefined The new standards say high school students must understand major evolutionary concepts. But they also declare that the basic Darwinian theory that all life had a common origin and that natural chemical processes created the building blocks of life have been challenged in recent years by fossil evidence and molecular biology.In addition, the board rewrote the definition of science, so that it is no longer limited to the search for natural explanations of phenomena. WTF!!?? "Science is no longer science." These fundie retards are proof that evolution works in reverse in some places. Educational deja vu In 1999, the board eliminated most references to evolution. Harvard paleontologist Stephen Jay Gould said that was akin to teaching “American history without Lincoln.” Bill Nye, the “Science Guy” of children’s television, called it “harebrained” and “nutty.” And a Washington Post columnist imagined God saying to the Kansas board members: “Man, I gave you a brain. Use it, OK?”Two years later, after voters replaced three members, the board reverted to evolution-friendly standards. Elections in 2002 and 2004 changed the board’s composition again, making it more conservative.The latest vote likely to bring fresh national criticism to Kansas and cause many scientists to see the state as backward. Many scientists and other critics contend creationists repackaged old ideas in new, scientific-sounding language to get around a U.S. Supreme Court decision in 1987 against teaching the biblical story of creation in public schools.The Kansas board’s action is part of a national debate. In Pennsylvania, a judge is expected to rule soon in a lawsuit against the Dover school board’s policy of requiring high school students to learn about intelligent design in biology class. In August, President Bush endorsed teaching intelligent design alongside evolution. Abortion and gay rights are not the only thing in danger with this dipshit's re-election. Bush is also in favor of teaching torture in gym class. I'm having trouble keeping track of whether it's me or the rest of you guys who live in a third world sixteenth century semi-theocratic authoritari

Furtherman

11-09-2005, 08:26 AM

A few callers today have been asking about proof of evolution today.  Doesn't it break your heart to hear them?Here's some proof:<h1><a href="http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200507/s1416092.htm" target="_blank">Tuskless elephants evolving in China, scientists say</a></h1>A recent study has predicted that more male Asian elephants in China will be born without tusks because poaching of tusked elephants is reducing the gene pool, the China Daily has reported. The study, conducted in the Xishuangbanna Dai Autonomous Prefecture in south-west China's Yunnan province, where two-thirds of China's Asian elephants live, found that the tuskless phenomenon is spreading, the report said. 

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rooter

11-09-2005, 08:27 AM

For those that try to discount evolution by saying, "it is merely a
theory", I would like to remind them that gravity is merely a theory as
well.

A.J.

11-11-2005, 10:51 PM

I'm having trouble keeping track of whether it's me or the rest of you guys who live in a third world sixteenth century semi-theocratic authoritarian regime.I know the feeling.

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Doogie

11-11-2005, 11:28 PM

What is amazing is where I am, I work with a Mormon who says that dinosaurs came from another world. I asked where did he get his theories and he said his Mormon bible. This was of course after he showed me a picture of his church which was like a casino. But that is getting away from the point at hand. According to his church, dinosaurs lived with mankind about a million years ago, and they died out because of mans 'original sin'. I was absolutely fucking appalled. I argued how do you explain how dinosaurs evolved from the early meat eaters, to allosaurus, to tyrannosaurus. I said if you look at the skull structure you can see a clear 'upgrading' by nature from a hungry mofo to a bad ass mofo. This genius argued with me that the bones we see in museum were created and planted by men. I couldnt believe it!! I argued the case of carbon dating which is also used to prove when new religious documents are found to understand their age, all to no avail.I agree with Mike the Teacher, that we are descending into a whirlwind of chaos that I think will lead toward a path of war. A war of thought. And I like your arguments about us watching Russia kick our ass till about 1964, when the Gemini program got into full swing. It should be greatly noted the nation was in a paranoia state following the McCarthy era and was afraid to go with new theories and ideas. That case of course was rocket technology and our overwhelming belief in our superiority. It took the launching of Sputnik to cause a catalyst of thought in our nation that lead to the Apollo Program, and unfortunatley, the peak of our civilization. It has been downhill since December 1972 when Apollo 17 returned to Earth. There were four goals of Apollo when Jack Kennedy laid them down in May 1961:1. To achieve preeminence in space for the United States2. To carry out a program of scientific exploration of the moon3. To develop man's capability to work in the lunar environment4. To establish the technology to meet scientific and other national interests. My point summed up before I really descend into a total nonsensical rant, is that intelligent design clouds the minds of so much that we have discovered thus far. It halts the progress that we have made and threatens the funding needed to continue research and develpoment. I guess the right just wants people to remain ignorant so that they keep voting for them. It is a sad state of affairs that the country has fallen into.

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booster11373

11-12-2005, 02:11 AM

I,ve swung to the other side of the ID debate, sure we will fall behind in science and technology to the rest of the world but GOD IS AMERICAN so who cares he will save us , Him or Superman

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Bulldogcakes

11-12-2005, 03:42 AM

Whats most troubling about this is they're not just wanting this
included in the curriculum in a religious studies class of some sort,
they want this taught in SCIENCE CLASS. As if Creationism is science.
Which is on its face, a hypocrisy. If you reject science, why would you
want your deeply held religious belief included in one of its
classes? 
And the only evidence they have to disprove evolution is "gaps"
in the fossil record. First of all, conditions for preserving fossils
are rare, so there will always be gaps. And I guess these folks wont be
satisfied until we find ALL the fossils, so we can make them a nice
pretty picture. 
That being said, lets not pretend the entire country collapsing
because a few rural school boards have lost their minds. If this
proposition was up for election, I dont think this would win a
nationwide poll among Republicans, much less the public at large. 

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badorties

11-18-2005, 09:27 AM

look at the vatican making a little sense ... coming down on the side of science, no less<blockquote dir="ltr" style="margin-right: 0px">quote: <a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051118/ap_on_re_eu/vatican_evolution" target="_blank">VATICAN CITY - The Vatican's chief astronomer said Friday that "intelligent design" isn't science and doesn't belong in science classrooms, the latest high-ranking Roman Catholic official to enter the evolution debate in the United States. </a><a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051118/ap_on_re_eu/vatican_evolution" target="_blank">The Rev. George Coyne, the Jesuit director of the Vatican Observatory, said placing intelligent design theory alongside that of evolution in school programs was "wrong" and was akin to mixing apples with oranges.</a><a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051118/ap_on_re_eu/vatican_evolution" target="_blank"> </a><a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051118/ap_on_re_eu/vatican_evolution" target="_blank"></a> [/quote]

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Furtherman

11-18-2005, 10:09 AM

Well I'll be damned.  This is the second time in as many months that the catholic church has surprised me.  A good surprise.  Last month they said that many of the bible stories shouldn't be taken literally.Common sense.... slowly creeping through....

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Mike Teacher

11-18-2005, 11:11 AM

That being said, lets not pretend the entire country collapsing because a few rural school boards have lost their minds.=Agreed, BDC, but there are troubling trends across the nation; from a CNN article:"Polls for many years have shown that a majority of Americans are at odds with key scientific theory. For example, as CBS poll this month found that 51 percent of respondents believed humans were created in their present form by God. A further 30 percent said their creation was guided by God. Only 15 percent thought humans evolved from less advanced life forms over millions of years.Other polls show that only around a third of American adults accept the Big Bang theory of the origin of the universe, even though the concept is virtually uncontested by scientists worldwide.<a href="http://www.cnn.com/2005/TECH/science/10/28/science.debate.reut/index.html">http://www.cnn.com/2005/TECH/science/10/28/science.debate.reut/index.html</a>

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zentraed

11-18-2005, 11:32 AM

quote:Only 15 percent thought humans
evolved from less advanced life forms over millions of years.Other polls show that only around a third of American adults accept the Big Bang theory of the origin of the universe, Well,
both the BBT and evolution raise questions about the wisdom of the
Creator. If you have that life evolved, then why did the Creator make
the Universe, but leave life to chance? If you have that the Big Bang
took place, why did God choose this random planet to seed life on? What
kind of plans are those? On the other hand, when you have both theories
together, you end up with a complete narrative beginning right at the
Big Bang and ending with us today about 12 billion years later. One of the problems is that Americans are neither mathematically sophisticated, nor do they understand the scientific process.
There are three letter sequences in DNA that are preserved across
virtually all species that mark the beginning of a gene in a DNA
sequence. How much proof do you need for evolution? And regarding the
Big Bang Theory, how about the story of COBE and the microwave
background?

Bulldogcakes

11-18-2005, 05:54 PM

quote: 
"Polls for many years have shown that a majority of Americans are at odds with key scientific theory. For example, as
CBS poll this month found that 51 percent of respondents believed
humans were created in their present form by God. A further 30 percent
said their creation was guided by God. Only 15 percent thought humans
evolved from less advanced life forms over millions of years.Other polls show that only around a third of American adults accept the Big Bang theory of the origin of the universe, even though the concept is virtually uncontested by scientists worldwide. Well, I cant argue with you if your point is that most Americans dont know basic science. Or economics for that matter. 
 I think what some of that refers to is the ever changing nature
of science. Any good scientist will tell you that everything they now
regard as fact is subject to change based on new data coming in. Look
at where science was 100, 200, 400 years ago. Then project those trends
to the next 1-400 years. That being said, the Big Bang is the best
explanation we have right now, so we have to go with it. But thats not
to say we have it all sorted out right now, we certainly dont.
Scientists are still trying to reconcile relativity with quantum
physics, and I'm not buying "string theory". At least not yet. One
argument the religious right likes to use to disprove the Big Bang is
"Well what happened before that? Who created the Big Bang?" Well,
you can turn that one around on them and say "Who created God?" There's
no answer either way. And lack of evidence is evidence of nothing. So
neither side wins that one. 
 
 
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cougarjake13

11-19-2005, 05:29 AM

quote:  <blockquote />Plus everyone knows we were created by aliens anyway. <img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/wink.gif" border="0" /> maybe god is an alien and if you think about it, it might make sense. people through out time always looked to the sky and heaven and said that is where god is so maybe aliens or god decided to experiment in a lab kinda like we do and made us or maybe we are originally from another earth like planet and that planet was dying or its sun was dying and they found our current earth and brought us here.just like religion and the big bang it's just a theory

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11-19-2005, 06:54 AM

quote: That being said, lets not pretend the entire country collapsing because a few rural school boards have lost their minds.=Agreed, BDC, but there are troubling trends across the nation; from a CNN article:"Polls for many years have shown that a majority of Americans are at odds with key scientific theory. For example, as CBS poll this month found that 51 percent of respondents believed humans were created in their present form by God. A further 30 percent said their creation was guided by God. Only 15 percent thought humans evolved from less advanced life forms over millions of years.Other polls show that only around a third of American adults accept the Big Bang theory of the origin of the universe, even though the concept is virtually uncontested by scientists worldwide.<a href="http://www.cnn.com/2005/TECH/science/10/28/science.debate.reut/index.html">http://www.cnn.com/2005/TECH/science/10/28/science.debate.reut/index.html</a><img src="http://members.aol.com/miketeachr/esig" border="0" /> The criteria for those numbers on the "creation guided by God" category is pretty vague, and not necessarily as doom and gloom as one might think.  I mean, I believe in God, and think he set in motion the forces that caused the Big Bang, etc., etc., etc..  So, yes, utlimately I think God guided my creation.  But that doesn't mean that I ignore the Big Bang creation of the universe or evolution or whatever else theory people are screaming is impossible.  To me, all of those things seem pretty damn impressive and, dare I say it, miraculous.  I have no problems reconciling my faith with science.

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