Cindy Sheehan

[Bulldogcakes]

<p><strong><strong><strong><br />
Anti-war protestor Cindy Sheehan, whose soldier son Casey was killed in
Iraq, is calling for Bush's &quot;impeachment,&quot; and for Israel to get out of
Palestine!
<br /><br />
&quot;You get America out of Iraq and Israel out of Palestine and you'll stop the terrorism,&quot; Sheehan declares.
<br /><br />Sheehan, who is asking for a second meeting with President
Bush, says defiantly: &quot;My son was killed in 2004. I am not paying my
taxes for 2004. You killed my son, George Bush, and I don't owe you a
penny...you give my son back and I'll pay my taxes. Come after me (for
back taxes) and we'll put this war on trial.&quot;
<br /><br /> &quot;And now I'm going to use another 'I' word - impeachment -
because we cannot have these people pardoned. They need to be tried on
war crimes and go to jail.&quot;</strong></strong></strong></p><p>Way
to respect the memory of your dead son, and not politicize his death.
Put a camera in some people's face and they never shut up. Your 15
minutes are up, you dumb twat. </p><p><br />
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[HBox]

Way to bash a woman who lost her son. Want to kick her dog while you're at it?<br />


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into her personal tragedy. This has gone way beyond any legitimate
debate about the war, and has become all about her getting her (rather
unfortunate) mug on TV every night. I have zero sympathy for this
camera whore. </p><p>BTW Kick her dog? Me?? Mr Bulldog? Ouch! </p><p><br />


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<font color=black>This message was edited by Bulldogcakes on 8-14-05 @ 6:41 PM</font>

[HBox]

<p>What would you want her to do? What is the &quot;right&quot;
way for her to observe her son's death? Should she go and hide in a
corner in her anguish, being quiet because God forbid she says what she
believes and be accused of exploiting her son's death. Should a disabled veteran protestor be accused of exploiting his/her disability? Is she gaining anything out of this? Is she hurting anybody?<br />
</p><p>Are
we really getting into this? Leave the woman alone, she's obviously
angry and hurt and whatever else she's feeling. Her son's
dead.<br />
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[Stewie]

<p>I gotta go with BDC on this.&nbsp; Her son emlisted on his own.&nbsp; I've talked to a bunch of armed forces folks about the war and everyone I've spoken to believes in what they are doing over there.&nbsp; IF THEY believe in it WHO am I to say anything against it.&nbsp; I'm not over there.&nbsp; They have been.&nbsp; YES all of the ones I've spoken to have been there and lived through it and were all going back.&nbsp; When I hear those that have been over there speaking out against it then and only then will I rethink my position on the war.&nbsp; I FEEL for this lady losing her sone but from what I gather she has three other kids that she has abandoned.&nbsp; I don't know what to say other than that.&nbsp; She should be home with her family.</p><p><a title="Linky" href="http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/08/14/peace.mom.ap/index.html" target="_self">Linky</a>&nbsp;To CNN story</p>

[Dudeman]

<font face="Verdana" style="font-size:9px;">quote:<hr color="cococo" align="left"></font><p> When I hear those that have been over there speaking out against it then and only then will I rethink my position on the war.&nbsp; </p><p></a>&nbsp;To CNN story</p>

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I've read plenty of articles in which either soldiers over there, or more often, parents relating what they have heard from their child say they disagree with, don't undertand the purpose of, or are questioning the poor leadership during the war.

Here is a quote from a soldier "in Baghdad" that is in a New Yorker article I read yesterday:

"We're riding around here with messed-up equipment. If you send men to war, you have to prepare them and equip them so they can fight. And have a vision of the aftermath of the war, have a plan about how youre going to finish it. And not just jump into it. And not put the whole burden on us Americans.
"We got ourslves in to something. I wish I could have some real answers to why were here, but I dont think Ill ever have them. Not anytime soon."


Here is a quote from another soldier. This was from an email in 2003 (2 days before he was killed):

"From what I see its goin to take alot longer then Rumsfeld and GW are saying to get this shit hole up and running."


here is the article:
http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/articles/050704fa_fact3

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[Snoogans]

<p><font size="0" face="verdana" color="black">IF THEY believe in it WHO am I to say anything against it</font></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>thats the dumbest thing ive ever read</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>and so what they were over there, and believe in what we are doing. People have the problem with WHY we are doing it&nbsp;</p>

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[Stewie]

<p>OK so my opinion is not very popular here.&nbsp; I don't really know how to respond to this. I support the people that are in Iraq.&nbsp; About the equipment they have, THAT is a problem.&nbsp; At the same time people will bitch and moan about adding funding to the war which would provide better equipment.&nbsp; </p><p>As for the dumbest statment.....yeah thats not the first time I've heard that about something I said so....</p><p>BUT this is all just my opinion and I'm not looking to start any fights.</p>

[Dudeman]

<font face="Verdana" style="font-size:9px;">quote:<hr color="cococo" align="left"></font><p>About the equipment they have, THAT is a problem.&nbsp; At the same time people will bitch and moan about adding funding to the war which would provide better equipment

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just remember, hillary, biden, liberman, etc want more money and troops for finishing iraq. W wants income tax cuts, big tax breaks for energy companies (see the recent energy bill), and lots of unnecessary spending (see the recent transportation bill.) the old sterotypes for the parties and their "support" (in action, not just yellow ribbon stickers on their bumpers) for soldiers is just not holding up.

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[Stewie]

<font style="font-size: 9px" face="Verdana">quote: </font><br />just remember, hillary, biden, liberman, etc want more money and troops for finishing iraq. W wants income tax cuts, big tax breaks for energy companies (see the recent energy bill), and lots of unnecessary spending (see the recent transportation bill.) the old sterotypes for the parties and their &quot;support&quot; (in action, not just yellow ribbon stickers on their bumpers) for soldiers is just not holding up. -I'll log off now, and listen to your response.- OK I have to admit I dont know as much about this as i once thought I did.&nbsp; I can not make an intelligent well thought out response because I dont know what is getting pushed in congress etc.&nbsp;right now.&nbsp; SO with that I apologize for thinking I new what I was talking about.&nbsp; MY MAIN POINT was that I honestly feel we should support the troops that are over in Iraq.&nbsp; ALSO I think Cindy Sheehan should be at home with her other children.&nbsp; BUT I dont know what it is like to lose a child.&nbsp; I hope I never have to.&nbsp; I empathize with her but I think there is another adgenda for her.<br />

[Snoogans]

<p>how bout we look at the fact of one thing that bothers me. Even if
FREEDOM is the reason we are there this week, think about this:</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>even
if logical thinkin knows its freedom, its still our beliefs. We are
over there pushing our belief, even of something like freedom, on
people who obviously dont want it. How are we better then anyone else. </p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Ive
said before, there are enough people in Iraq, if they were that pissed,
they woulda taken care of it themselves like we did way back when. They
dont want our beliefs, so lets just say fuck em then and save the lives
and money&nbsp;</p>

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[HBox]

<p><font size="0" face="verdana" color="black">BUT this is all just my opinion and I'm not looking to start any fights.</font></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><img width="314" height="234" border="0" src="http://img285.imageshack.us/img285/4944/fight8xe.jpg" /></p><p>&quot;Yeah, so what? Wanna fight about it!?&quot;&nbsp;</p>

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[Stewie]

<font style="font-size: 9px" face="Verdana">quote: </font><p>even if logical thinkin knows its freedom, its still our beliefs. We are over there pushing our belief, even of something like freedom, on people who obviously dont want it. How are we better then anyone else. </p><p><br />OK,&nbsp; BUT I have to ask why you assume they dont want our help.&nbsp; </p><p>I don't trust the media reports coming out of anywhere because I do believe that each party wants to spin things in a way that their stance looks right.&nbsp; I dont trust the news I think that they get paid off to report things in a certain light.&nbsp; You can watch two channels and get two totally different stories about the same thing.&nbsp; </p><p>I'm basing my opinion on what I heard from a select few soldiers.&nbsp; I KNOW that they may not be the most accurate representation.&nbsp; I by no means believe I know what is going on over there.&nbsp; Not to mention that the last time I talked to any of them was months ago before they went back.&nbsp; Things may have changed for them, I dont know.&nbsp; I might never know.&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;HELL I dont even know where I was going with this</p>

[Bulldogcakes]

<p>This fucking war is this generations Vietnam. Every time you bring
up something in any way related to it, it becomes another argument
about whether we should be there, who lied about what, blah blah blah.
Boring. </p><p>I still say this old bag is lens lice. And I've lost
all sympathy for her the way she's dragged this on and made it all
about her suffering, her politics, her opinions, HER HER HER. She
doesn't give a shit about anything else. Its all about HER. If
you read the article, she's way past her son, she's doing foreign
policy, impechment, she's not paying her taxes, oh yeah, BTW my son
died. A self obsessed twat. <br />
</p><p>Just like those moron Terry Shaivo parents. I cant wait till the press gets as bored of her as I already am. <br />
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<font color=black>This message was edited by Bulldogcakes on 8-14-05 @ 8:48 PM</font>

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<font style="font-size: 9px" face="Verdana">quote: </font><p>&nbsp;This moron is injecting partisan politics into her personal tragedy. </p><p><font color="#000000"><font color="#000000"></font></font></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><font color="#000000"><font color="#000000"><font face="verdana,arial,helvetica,sans-serif" color="#000099"><strong>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; It's not &quot;partisan politics&quot; for her to speak out against what&nbsp;she believe is wrong. It&nbsp;is Fascism to deny&nbsp;her the right to speak&nbsp;her mind, and if someone wants to braodcast it on TV, more power to her!. She' not a moron simply because you don't like her opinions. She is a the mother of a child whom she lost to a war that many think is pointless, prurient, and contrived, and she is using the most&nbsp;tragic event in her life, to prevent further tragedies for other families in the best way she knows how. There are many who consider her to be courageous and far more patriotic than any politician in DC.</strong></font><br /></font></font></p>

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[Bulldogcakes]

<p>And all you folks on the left felt the same about the Schiavo
parents? And their suffering? DONT MAKE ME POST YOUR QUOTES!
This is all about partisan politics, and the usual suspects are lining
up on her side. She's been getting coverage for the past few weeks and
for I while, I repected her situation. Disagreed with her, but laid
low. but every day, she just says something more and more partisan and
absurd. She's used up her good will, and I've just gotten completely
fed up with the old bag. FUCK HER. </p>

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[HBox]

Go and check my quotes. I felt bad for the family.
I tried not to bash them, and I believe I never posted anything bashing
them. They were in a horrible situation, and while I can't believe they
couldn't let go after so long I still sympathized. I concentrated my
venom on those using them, and there was no shortage
there.<br />


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[TheMojoPin]

I don't remember anyone here bashing Schiavo's parents.&nbsp; It was very easy to feel sorry for them and understand why they there were doing what they were doing.&nbsp; Where the criticism came in was towards the people that latched ONTO the parents, and made their anguish their personal platform for their politics.&nbsp; They had no personal investment in the issues they were bringing up, whereas the Schiavos and Sheehan do.&nbsp; It's easy to understand their anguish and their anger.

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[mdr55]

<p>All George W. got to do is meet with her for 5 minutes and she'll go
away. And the prez will get points for taking the time out to meet with
her.<br />
</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p>

[booster11373]

I think that this situation is a great example of the contempt that this administation has for the people fighting there war for them, As well as the depths that the media will sink to, to fill the countless hours of cable news. Shame on both sides

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[Bulldogcakes]

<p>&nbsp;</p><font face="Verdana" style="font-size: 9px;">quote:</font><font color="Navy"><font size="2">Go and check my quotes. I felt bad for the family.
I tried not to bash them, and I believe I never posted anything bashing
them.</font></font><br />OK,
OK, fine. You're right. I remembered people bashing them at the time,
but it wasn't anyone here. I thought the Schiavos fell in love w/the
camera, too. So I didn't exactly love them either. But I thought they
kept their message about their daughter, and only referenced
politicians when they were begging them to intervene. <br />
<p>&nbsp;</p><p>But I still dont retract anything I've said about this woman.
For this reason. If she was talking about the issues surrounding this
war, fine. But her quotes have consistently been naked partisan attacks
on Bush, and usually accompanied by personal attacks. And that crosses
the line of being a grieving parent and puts her in the partisan
political arena. And her shield against partisan attacks from the Right
is her dead son. And thats fucking despicable. She should let her son
die with dignity, something she's exibited none of herself. <br />
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[El Mudo]

<p>I completely disagree with everything she's saying, which is basically to give the terrorists what they want..</p><p>But you know what? She has a legitamite beef....Her son was killed over there...If anyone should have the right to protest to any length or degree about this war, its her....</p><p>Its kinda like the issue of judging combat soldiers. I work at a battlefield, and one of the rules i try to follow to the utmost is that only combat soldiers should judge combat soldiers...it has to be the same for war widows and mothers who have lost their sons....</p><p>How can you criticize what you don't understand BDC?</p>

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<p><strong>Come after me (for back taxes) and we'll put this war on trial.&quot; </strong><br /></p><p>Why doesnt she just say shes a natural born free american citizen and not the owner of a corparation with 7 or more employes and therefore doesnt have to pay (income) taxes anyway?&nbsp; </p>

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<p>&nbsp;</p><font face="Verdana" style="font-size: 9px;">quote:</font><p>I completely disagree with everything she's saying, which is basically to give the terrorists what they want..</p><p>But
you know what? She has a legitamite beef....Her son was killed over
there...If anyone should have the right to protest to any length or
degree about this war, its her....</p><p>Its kinda like the issue of
judging combat soldiers. I work at a battlefield, and one of the rules
i try to follow to the utmost is that only combat soldiers should judge
combat soldiers...it has to be the same for war widows and mothers who
have lost their sons....</p><p>How can you criticize what you don't understand BDC?</p>

Try re-reading my last
post. All of the points you've raised are legit, and if she said them
I'd have zero problem with her. Apparently you aren't fimiliar with her
quotes, or maybe I'm more of a stickler for language than most
people.&nbsp;<p>&nbsp;</p><p>BTW-Was Cindy Sheehan in combat? &nbsp;</p>

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[Bulldogcakes]

<p>Give it about two more weeks and half this board will be as sick of her as I am. </p><p>She's already drove me nuts. Which for me is admittedly a short trip. &nbsp;</p>

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[angrymissy]

<p>Bush comes outside and talks to her for what, like an hour and his PR nightmare is over.&nbsp;</p>

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[TheMojoPin]

He doesn't even have to do that.&nbsp; If he invited her into the ranch, he could sit there and make faces at her for an entire day and then come out and say he tried his best to sit down and talk things out with her and look like the big winner.&nbsp; The fact that they choose to basically ignore the entire thing doesn't make him and his staff look bad or &quot;evil&quot;...just stupid.

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[Knowledged_one]

<p>Its about precedent he talks to her then every single person will stage a sit in to see the president this is not how things work.&nbsp; Not to mention she is now saying that the israelis should get out of palestine i mean if this isn't for public whoring what is.</p><p>Her son voulenteerly joined the army he wasn't drafted.&nbsp; You know what kind of danger you are in for if you join the military.&nbsp; Sorry her son died but that happens during war, and her asking for Bush to send his daughters over there is simply idiotic if that was the case, why didn't she go over to Iraq to replace her son huh/</p>

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[TheMojoPin]

<p>She's too old.</p><p>So because he joined the army, she should just tolerate him getting killed over (in her, and maybe even her son's, mind) a bullshit war?&nbsp; Just because we're fighting doesn't make it right.</p>

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[Recyclerz]

<p>Sorry her son died but that happens during war, and her asking for Bush to send his daughters over there is simply idiotic if that was the case, why didn't she go over to Iraq to replace her son huh/</p><p><strong>???!!???</strong>&nbsp; </p><p>She has already paid a big price for this war, which she didn't start.&nbsp; The only price W is (kinda) paying is that more people are finally realizing that he is in waaaay over his head in this job, but since it's too late to do anything about it I doubt he really cares.</p><p>And BDC, why the venom?&nbsp; I'll agree that when she she starts talking about the Gaza Strip, et al. she has no standing and should just shut up for the good of her main point, but why the hate from you?&nbsp; I've noticed the same tone in my occasional forays into the right-wing blogs and talk radio.&nbsp; I can understand them since they have their whole world-view invested in W being right about everything in general and Iraq in particular and&nbsp; they&nbsp;seem to have the sense that everything is turning to shit in their grasping little Neo-Con hands .</p><p>Around here, I always thought we were R&amp;F fans first and political commentators on the side.&nbsp; You seem like a pretty well informed and decent guy (whom I disagree with on some issues) but the hatin' in this thread seems a little harsh.&nbsp; Just my unsolicited $0.02.</p>

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[Bulldogcakes]

<p> </p><font face="Verdana" style="font-size: 9px;">quote:</font>He
doesn't even have to do that. If he invited her into the ranch, he
could sit there and make faces at her for an entire day and then come
out and say he tried his best to sit down and talk things out with her
and look like the big winner. <br />
<br />Mojo, somebody
repeatedly states they hate you guts, want you impeached, think you are
the cause of all the world's problems. You want to spend the afternoon
w/that person? Talk about bad ideas! Throw in the fact you're
President, are image conscious and I dunno, might be a little busy. And it sets the worst
precedent possible. THERE'S over 2000 American troops dead. Does
eveyone get an afternoon w/the Pres? And if not, what makes this woman
think she deserves special treatment? Is it the super
nice way she's asked him to meet with her? <br />
<p> </p><p> </p><font face="Verdana" style="font-size: 9px;">quote:</font><font size="1" face="verdana" color="black">And BDC, why the venom?</font> <p> </p><p>Please
re-read my posts, and try to get past the tone (which I admit is harsh,
but I think deservedly so) and get to the reasons why. Its all there,
and I dont want to make this thread all about me, like this woman has
made her son's death all about her opinions/politics. <br />
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I don't know how to post pictures, but could someone post a picture of billy sheehan, bass player for mr. big?

[Bulldogcakes]

<p><a target="blank" href="http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0815051sheehan1.html">Sheehan's husband files for divorce</a></p>
<p>What a surprise. </p>
<p>Cindy Sheehan, in her own words and in full context</p>
<p> </p>
<font face="Verdana" style="font-size: 9px;">quote:</font>Am I emotional? Yes, my first born was murdered. Am I angry? Yes, he
was killed for lies and for a PNAC Neo-Con agenda <font size="2">to benefit Israel. My
son joined the army to protect America, not Israel.</font> Am I stupid? No, I
know full well that my son, my family, this nation and this world were
betrayed by George Bush who was influenced by the <font size="2">neo-con</font> PNAC agendas
after 9/11. We were told that we were attacked on 9/11 because the
terrorists hate our freedoms and democracy &hellip; not for the real reason,
because the Arab Muslims who attacked us hate our middle-eastern
foreign policy.

<p> </p>
<p>Neo cons=Jewish Republicans. </p>
<p>And
what about all the parents who've lost sons/daughters in Iraq who think
it IS a worthy cause? Do they count, or does her loss trump all others?
</p>
<p>And for those of you who say &quot;Just give her one meeting&quot;, you're too late. She's already had one meeting.</p>
<p><a target="blank" href="http://www.thereporter.com/republished/ci_2923921">#1</a></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>And this is just something from an article I liked.&nbsp; </p><p>quote:</p>
<font face="Verdana" style="font-size: 9px;"></font>Most presidents in time of war have made an exception in the case of the bereaved&mdash;Lincoln's <a target="_blank" href="http://www.americancivilwar.info/pages/mrs_bixby_letter.asp">letter</a>
to the mother of two dead Union soldiers (at the time, it was thought
that she had lost five sons) is a famous instance&mdash;but the job there is
one of comfort and reassurance, and this has already been discharged in
the Sheehan case.


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I could meet with a LOT of grieving relatives if I was on a five week vacation.

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[mdr55]

<p>No Justice, No Peace!</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Bush should send the
Military after Cindy Sheehan with the poster: Wanted Dead or Alive. All
she got to do is hid in the mall and Bush would never find her.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Bush looking for a meeting with Cindy Sheehan-</p><p>Bush
(in the oval office): Hello Mrs. Sheehan...are you in here? (Looking
under the table) Mrs. Sheehan, are you there? (Looking out the window)
Mrs. Sheehan are you out there? Hmmmm.....Dang nabbit. Where is that
lady that wants to meet with me. O well, no crying over spilt milk. I
think I'll give my duaghters a call and see if they want to go to the
ranch and fire up some marshmellows. Damn. Nothing like sharing smores
with your family. I pray to God everyday that my family is alive and
well.<br />
</p>

[HBox]

<p><font size="0" face="verdana" color="black">
I could meet with a LOT of grieving relatives if I was on a five week vacation.</font></p><p>Well,
who's gonna chop the wood asswipe!? WHO'S GONNA CHOP THE FUCKING WOOD
ASSWIPE!!!!!!&nbsp;</p><font size="0" face="verdana" color="black" />

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<p>&nbsp;</p><font face="Verdana" style="font-size: 9px;">quote:</font>I could meet with a LOT of grieving relatives if I was on a five week vacation.

OK . . . . . . lets see.
. . . 5 weeks is 35 days, divided by 8 hour workday. You give each of
them one hour. . . . thats 280 people. 1700+ to go. <p>&nbsp;</p><p>But lets
face it. Some people's pain counts more than others. Just pick and
choose from the people who hate him the most, they go to the front of
the line, of course. &nbsp;</p>

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[Bama]

<p>She lost her son in Iraq and people want her to shut up about the
war in Iraq. If anyone on this planet has a right to have their say on
this war it's the parents of fallen soldiers. I'm sure Casey would be
happy that all these people who love and support him so much are trying
to destroy his mother. <br />
</p><p> </p><p>There is no one who would be safe from this type
of smear campaign. A soldier could come back from Iraq with 100 purple
hearts. He says he's against the war and he's a troop hating liberal.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>P.S. About that meeting - it was with 17 other families and lasted 10 minutes. &nbsp;</p>

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[mdr55]

George W should send his daughters to meet with Mrs. Sheehan, so they
can tell her, &quot;Leave our Dad alone you old twat! It's not our dad's
fault you son is dead, it's Bin Laden's fault. So take a hike bitch
before we sick our grandma on your sorry ass.&quot;<br />

[mdr55]

<font face="Verdana" style="font-size: 9px;">quote:</font><p><br />
</p><p> </p><p>There is no one who would be safe from this type
of smear campaign. A soldier could come back from Iraq with 100 purple
hearts. He says he's against the war and he's a troop hating liberal.
</p>

<br />
<br />Or they can say, If he was so against the war, why did he accept all the medals then?<br />

[Bama]

I welcome your offer to debate on this fictional soldiers right to accept his medals. He earned them. That's why. <br />


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[mdr55]

So if he earned the medals. Why did he continue to earn them if he didn't believe in what he was doing?<br />

[Bulldogcakes]

<font face="Verdana" style="font-size: 9px;">quote:</font><p> </p><p>There is no one who would be safe from this type
of smear campaign. A soldier could come back from Iraq with 100 purple
hearts. He says he's against the war and he's a troop hating liberal.</p><p> </p><font color="black" /><br />Oh
really? Who has accused her in this thread of hating the troops? Or are
you just reading something in where there's nothing there? <br />


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<p>WTF does that have to do with the Gaza Strip? Opps.....wrong thread.<br />
</p>

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[keithy_19]

<p><font size="1">I don't remember anyone here bashing Schiavo's parents.</font></p><p><font size="1" /></p><p><font size="1"><font size="2">I called them dickheads and sappy bitches.</font> </font></p>

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[The Jays]

<p>PR nightmare?&nbsp; More like a PR bonanza, Bush's supporters are eating this up.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Look,
it's sad she lost her son in Iraq, and she has the right to grieve how
she sees fit.&nbsp; But she's been grieving in this particular manner
for a year and a half.&nbsp; She's abandoned her remaining family
completely because of all of this.&nbsp; She's in the news everyday,
and she doesn't remind me very much of a mother who wants answer;&nbsp;
she seems more like some obsessed pyschotic fan at the gates of Whitney
Houston's house, and becomes a news story because they won't let him
come inside and jerk off on the bed.<br />
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<font style="font-size: 9px" face="Verdana">quote: </font><p>&nbsp;</p><font style="font-size: 9px" face="Verdana">quote: </font>I could meet with a LOT of grieving relatives if I was on a five week vacation. OK . . . . . . lets see. . . . 5 weeks is 35 days, divided by 8 hour workday. You give each of them one hour. . . . thats 280 people. 1700+ to go. <p>&nbsp;</p><p>But lets face it. Some people's pain counts more than others. Just pick and choose from the people who hate him the most, they go to the front of the line, of course. &nbsp;</p><img src="http://home.comcast.net/~bob80/RFnetBulldogcakes3.jpg" border="0" /> <a href="http://bulldogcakes.tripod.com/index.html" target="blank">My brand spankin new site Bully Baby</a> &quot;Whats the world coming to? The best Golfer is Black, the best rapper is white, and Germany doesn't want to go to war&quot;-Charles Barkley <p>Bush being criticized for his disinterest in the fallen soldiers from his war and their families is nothing new.&nbsp; Since the casualities started rolling in, it's been pointed out how few ceremonies he's attended at Arlington.&nbsp; Obviously, it's ridiculous to expect to be going to one all the time, but it's been noted by many people, including veterans and veteran groups, that he and his administration prefer a &quot;if we don't dwell on it, it's not a big deal approach&quot; to people being killed in Iraq.</p><p>BDC, I agree this woman is definitely stretching things when it comes to exactly what she's protesting, but her basic cause isn't out of nowhere.&nbsp; Is she really that big a deal?</p><img src="http://scripts.cgispy.com/image.cgi?u=TheMojoPin" border="0" /> <br />Too drunk to dream... &lt;&lt; Champagne for my real friends, and real pain for my sham friends. &gt;&gt; &quot;You can tell some lies about the good times we've had, but I've kissed your mother twice...and now I'm working on your dad...&quot;

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[cougarjake13]

<p>and now the husband has filed for divorce</p><p>from yahoo's homepage</p><p>Patrick Sheehan filed the divorce petition Friday in Solano County court, northeast of San Francisco. His lawyer did not immediately return a call seeking comment Monday.</p><p>The couple's eldest child, Casey, 24, was an Army soldier killed in April 2004. Cindy Sheehan has said the stress of the death led to the separation of the couple, who were high school sweethearts.</p>

[DJEvelEd]

How many people did her son kill? Any women and children? If you're gonna be a war monger, you have to expect the other side to shoot back.

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<div><font size="2">I don't understand when people say that her cause is based on partisan politics.&nbsp; How is she supposed to separate that out of what it is?&nbsp; She's against the war, so yea, I guess she is being political about it.&nbsp; Is it so wrong to protest an unjustified war that killed her son?&nbsp; </font></div><div><font size="2" /></div><div><font size="2">And the point she's making is, Bush, TALK TO ME, you owe me that much.&nbsp; And where is our fearless leader during this time of war?&nbsp; Taking a 5 1/2 week vacation!! How can you bash a grieving mother? Who's the bad guy here?</font></div>

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[Bulldogcakes]

I'm glad to see the media back off the last day or so, not wanting to
go around making justifications for someone like her. Which is a loss
of credibility waiting to happen. Though Fox will probably keep
following her daily, hoping she says more and more outrageous things.
She's the best advertisement Bush could ever have. &nbsp;<p><font size="1" face="verdana" color="black"><font size="2"><font size="2">Who's the bad guy here?</font></font></font></p><p>The
one throwing out unsubstantiated, uninformed, radical charges. And then
when people respond to it, hides behind her dead son. &nbsp;</p>

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<p>If the george bush sheep&nbsp; could pull their head out of his ass for a second - maybe the fresh air would open their eyes.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>911 - </p><p>saddam - </p><p>osama - </p><p>Did not kill her son. Your stupid fucking leader killed him.&nbsp; </p>

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<p>&nbsp;</p><font face="Verdana" style="font-size: 9px;">quote:</font><p>If the george bush sheep could pull their head out of his ass for a second - maybe the fresh air would open their eyes.</p><p> </p><p>911 - </p><p>saddam - </p><p>osama - </p><p>Did not kill her son. Your stupid fucking leader killed him. </p>

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[WRESTLINGFAN]

No Link yet but Sheehan is leaving Texas due to her mother having a stroke

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[DarkHippie]

<p><font size="1">No Link yet but Sheehan is leaving Texas due to her mother having a stroke </font></p><p>Think they'll let her on the plane?</p>

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[mdr55]

Looks like God is on Bush's side. Who knew?<br />

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&nbsp;</p><p>More fascinating, thoughtful quotes from the leader of the resistance</p><p>El Linko (http://www.drudgereport.com/flash3.htm)&nbsp;</p><p><strong><strong><strong>
&quot;We are not waging a war on terror in this country. We&rsquo;re waging a war
of terror. The biggest terrorist in the world is George W. Bush!&quot;
<br /></strong></strong></strong></p><p><strong><strong><strong>
&quot;They&rsquo;re a bunch of fucking hypocrites! And we need to, we just need to rise up...&quot; Sheehan said of the Bush administration.
<br /><br />
&quot;If George Bush believes his rhetoric and his bullshit, that this is a
war for freedom and democracy, that he is spreading freedom and
democracy, does he think every person he kills makes Iraq more free?&quot;
<br /><br />&quot;The whole world is damaged. Our humanity is damaged. If he
thinks that it&rsquo;s so important for Iraq to have a U.S.-imposed sense of
freedom and democracy, then he needs to sign up his two little
party-animal girls. They need to go to this war.&quot;
<br /><br />&quot;We want our country back and, if we have to impeach everybody
from George Bush down to the person who picks up dog shit in
Washington, we will impeach all those people.&quot;&nbsp;
</strong></strong></strong><br />
</p><p> </p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&quot;Just meet with her&quot;? Are you people fuckin serious?&nbsp;</p>

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[keithy_19]

The president can't meet with her. If he meets with her he'll have to meet with everyone who disagress with his policies.That would be a lot of people.

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[mdr55]

<p>&nbsp;</p><font face="Verdana" style="font-size: 9px;">quote:</font><br />
<p><strong><strong><strong><br /><br />&quot;The whole world is damaged. Our humanity is damaged. If he
thinks that it&rsquo;s so important for Iraq to have a U.S.-imposed sense of
freedom and democracy, then he needs to sign up his two little
party-animal girls. They need to go to this war.&quot;
<br /><br />
</strong></strong></strong></p><br />The
Bush girls don't need to go to war. The already have the MONEY and
stuff to go to college and live a good life. Party on girls.<br />
<p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Oh the irony.&nbsp;</p>

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<p><font size="1">The president can't meet with her. If he meets with her he'll have to meet with everyone who disagress with his policies.That would be a lot of people. </font></p><p>Maybe he can conference call them</p>

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<font style="font-size: 9px" face="Verdana">quote: </font><p>&nbsp;</p><font style="font-size: 9px" face="Verdana">quote: </font><font size="1">The president can't meet with her. If he meets with her he'll have to meet with everyone who disagress with his policies.That would be a lot of people. </font><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Maybe he can conference call them</p><br />Or&nbsp;put together a&nbsp;chatroom... then we can punt&nbsp;him!&nbsp;

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<font face="Verdana" style="font-size: 9px;">quote:</font><font face="Verdana" style="font-size: 9px;">quote: </font><p> </p><font face="Verdana" style="font-size: 9px;">quote: </font><font size="1">The
president can't meet with her. If he meets with her he'll have to meet
with everyone who disagress with his policies.That would be a lot of
people. </font><p> </p><p>Maybe he can conference call them</p><br />Or put together a chatroom... then we can punt him!&nbsp;<a target="blank" href="http://www.jwaunited.com"></a>Mikeyboy! There's our new topic!

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[JerryTaker]

<p><font size="0" face="verdana" color="black">If he meets with her he'll have to meet with everyone who disagress with his policies.That would be a lot of people.</font></p><p>How
about just the parents of the soldiers who died for his war?&nbsp; If
that's an inconvenience for mr. Vacation, Oh, fucking well, they lost
thier kids, and he doesn't even go to funerals, so after starting the
war that got them killed, maybe he could suffer a <em>little inconvenience</em>.</p><p>again, if that's still a lot of people, that's <em>his own fault.&nbsp;</em> <br />
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<p>I don't understand HE MET HER ALREADY!&nbsp;&nbsp; How many times does he have to meet her?</p><p>I don't understand how all these relatives of victims think now they have the right to make political descions.</p>

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<font style="font-size: 9px" face="Verdana">quote: </font><p>&nbsp;</p><font style="font-size: 9px" face="Verdana">quote: </font><font face="verdana" color="#000000" size="0">If he meets with her he'll have to meet with everyone who disagress with his policies.That would be a lot of people.</font> <p>&nbsp;</p><p>How about just the parents of the soldiers who died for his war?&nbsp; If that's an inconvenience for mr. Vacation, Oh, fucking well, they lost thier kids, and he doesn't even go to funerals, so after starting the war that got them killed, maybe he could suffer a <em>little inconvenience</em>.</p><p>again, if that's still a lot of people, that's <em>his own fault.&nbsp;</em> <br /></p><br /><strong>&nbsp;</strong> <p>LBJ and Nixon didn't go to every funeral of soldiers who died in Vietnam.&nbsp; Try again.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>This woman is an attention whore, plain and simple.&nbsp; She makes my skin crawl.</p><p><br />&nbsp;</p>

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<p>BTW, Sheehan's husband and daughter have all but distanced themselves away from her.</p><p>Also, has anyone failed to see that her son made a CHOICE to serve?&nbsp; He paid the ultimate price, and that is a tragedy, but he in fact made the CHOICE.&nbsp; </p>

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[JerryTaker]

<p><font size="0" face="verdana" color="black">LBJ and Nixon didn't go to every funeral of soldiers who died in Vietnam.&nbsp; Try again.</font></p><p>Try that reading comprehension again, Bush needs to show that he suffers <em>some inconvienience </em>in some way to even TRY to relate to the soldiers that his administration has gotten killed...</p><p>Plus,
just because former presidents acted a certain way, doesn't mean its
RIGHT. By that logic Bush should just get himself some black slaves and
rape them, 'cause Jefferson did it...&nbsp;</p><p>it's one thing for
YOU to see these dead soldiers as an extra life in a video game, but
its another for the fucking President to see them that way.&nbsp; They
die day after day while he &quot;clears brush&quot; on his &quot;ranch&quot; for 5
weeks?&nbsp; is this really appropriate behavior?</p><p>The president
showes me day after day, that he has no stake in the lives of these
soldiers. My two younger brothers could be among them if they instate a
draft, since we plan on invading Iran. Sheehan is calling for some
responsibility, and if he's forced to confront the American people, and
if his answer is not what we want, and we can dissuade him for invading
Iran, and I don't have to see my brothers get drafted and die, than I
applaud her efforts.</p><p>try again to not be &quot;mr shocking unfeeling
Patrick Bateman man&quot; and give me some semblance of sanity and some
assurance that Bush won't throw people to the wolves like so many
wounded sheep, and then you can dismiss me with your snide shit&nbsp;</p>

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[Bulldogcakes]

<p>&nbsp;</p><font face="Verdana" style="font-size: 9px;">quote:</font><p>I don't understand HE MET HER ALREADY! How many times does he have to meet her?</p><p>I don't understand how all these relatives of victims think now they have the right to make political descions.</p><br />Thank
you. They are the worst people to make decisions like this, because
they're way too biased. Just like the parents of a crime victim
shouldn't be sentencing the criminal, for the same, obvious reasons. <p>&nbsp;</p><p>Plus
she acts like she got shafted by Bush in some way. LADY, YOUR SON
ENLISTS FOR MILITARY SERVICE he might get killed. Reasonable people not
blinded by partisan bitterness understand these things. <br />
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[Bulldogcakes]

<p>Lets reverse this.</p><p>From the Bulldog Daily News&nbsp;</p><p>&quot;Joe
Smith, who lost his daughter in Iraq, has been going around the country
drumming up support for the war in Iraq and is working closely with the
White House. He has been camped outside Michael Moorer's house in New
York city and protesting with large groups outside movie theaters
showing &quot;Farenhiet 9-11&quot;. He says &quot;We have to stay in Iraq permanently.
We cant stop fighting until every Terrorist in the Middle East is
captured or killed. Dont let my daughter's sacrifice be for nothing!
And we should immediately repeal the 22nd amendment so Bush can
continue to serve us until the job is done!&quot;</p><p> &nbsp;</p><p>Now you folks that oppose this war, how do you feel about old Joe?&nbsp;</p>

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<p>Now you folks that oppose this war, how do you feel about old Joe?</p><p>I have more respect for Joe than Cindy. He at least tows the same line as his war mongering daughter.</p>

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[TheMojoPin]

<font style="font-size: 9px" face="Verdana">quote: </font><p>Lets reverse this.</p><p>From the Bulldog Daily News&nbsp;</p><p>&quot;Joe Smith, who lost his daughter in Iraq, has been going around the country drumming up support for the war in Iraq and is working closely with the White House. He has been camped outside Michael Moorer's house in New York city and protesting with large groups outside movie theaters showing &quot;Farenhiet 9-11&quot;. He says &quot;We have to stay in Iraq permanently. We cant stop fighting until every Terrorist in the Middle East is captured or killed. Dont let my daughter's sacrifice be for nothing! And we should immediately repeal the 22nd amendment so Bush can continue to serve us until the job is done!&quot;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Now you folks that oppose this war, how do you feel about old Joe?&nbsp;</p><img src="http://home.comcast.net/~bob80/RFnetBulldogcakes3.jpg" border="0" /> <a href="http://bulldogcakes.tripod.com/index.html" target="blank">My brand spankin new site Bully Baby</a> &quot;Whats the world coming to? The best Golfer is Black, the best rapper is white, and Germany doesn't want to go to war&quot;-Charles Barkley <p>The reverse of this woman wanting to meet with the president over her son being sent to Iraq by him for a war she disagrees with...is Michael Moore?</p><p>Uhm...OK.&nbsp; What can Michael Moore do?&nbsp; This guy's opinion is valid, but what's the point of following a fat filmmaker around?&nbsp; Not the best choice, BDC...I'd understand your analogy if you said he was following Kerry around during the election or something along those lines, but Michael Moore means dick.</p><p>Plus, it's not like this woman is camping outside the White House demanding to see Bush.&nbsp; She's doing it at his ranch while he's on vacation.</p><p>And to get things striaght, some of you are saying that a when a soldier who willingly enlisted is killed, perhaps during a war or cause that might have been a stupid mistake, or piss poorly planned (and those factors are possibly what actually led to his death), there's ZERO accountability just because he enlisted?<br /></p>

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<p>Also, has anyone failed to see that her son made a CHOICE to serve?&nbsp; He paid the ultimate price, and that is a tragedy, but he in fact made the CHOICE.&nbsp; </p><p>my guess would be that he expected body armor and plating for his Hummer.&nbsp; Also to be there for six months.&nbsp; Also that saddam had weapons of mass destruction and was behind 9-11.</p><p>Or maybe he joined so he could go to college, or learn a trade.&nbsp; i know a lot of people in the service, and only a couple went in all hardcore GI JOE about it. Most just wanted money for school.</p>

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<p><font size="0" face="verdana" color="black">And to get things striaght,
some of you are saying that a when a soldier who willingly enlisted is
killed, perhaps during a war or cause that might have been a stupid
mistake, or piss poorly planned (and those factors are possibly what
actually led to his death), there's ZERO accountability just because he
enlisted?</font></p><p>But if you have a &quot;support our troops&quot; ribbon on your SUV, then it's ok...&nbsp;</p>

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<p> </p><font face="Verdana" style="font-size: 9px;">quote:</font>And to get things
striaght, some of you are saying that a when a soldier who willingly
enlisted is killed, perhaps during a war or cause that might have been
a stupid mistake, or piss poorly planned (and those factors are
possibly what actually led to his death), there's ZERO accountability
just because he enlisted?<br />
No. I'll post it again. <p> </p><p>&nbsp;</p><font face="Verdana" style="font-size: 9px;">quote:</font><font size="1" face="verdana" color="black">Plus she acts like she got
shafted by Bush in some way. LADY, YOUR SON ENLISTS FOR MILITARY
SERVICE he might get killed. Reasonable people not blinded by partisan
bitterness understand these things. </font> <p>&nbsp;</p><p>Any
soldier going off to war assumes obvious risk. Every war ever fought
has had its share of mistakes. Grown ups accept these things. Of course
we should constantly look at what were doing right/wrong and adjust
accordingly. But I've yet to see her present a shred of evidence that
her son died as a result of bad Bush administration policy. If there
was a military practice that led to her son's death and she was trying
to raise awareness and get the policy changed, I'd have zero problem
with her. She's just
opposed to the war overall, in which case the fact her son enlisted
tells me he supported it and was willing to assume the risks
associated. <br />
</p><p>She wants to have it both ways. She wants to be sympathyzed over
as a grieving mother, and wants inject herself in the partisan arena.
And we're the &quot;bad guys&quot; when we respond. You get in the partisan
arena, prepare to defend yourself. Period. </p>

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[HBox]

<p><font size="0" face="verdana" color="black">Now you folks that oppose this war, how do you feel about old Joe?</font></p><p>Well,
I don't see any threads launched to attack him so we're doing A-OK for
now. And I feel just as bad, because he seems to be going just as
crazy, if not more.&nbsp;</p><font size="0" face="verdana" color="black" />

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[Tenbatsuzen]

<p>Look, this stain already made a big issue with Laura Bush and got arrested.&nbsp; There's no reason why she should be allowed near Bush for any reason.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>And if she does get 5 minutes, what good is it going to do?</p><p>&nbsp;</p>

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<font style="font-size: 9px" face="Verdana">quote: </font>my guess would be that he expected body armor and plating for his Hummer.&nbsp; Also to be there for six months.&nbsp; Also that saddam had weapons of mass destruction and was behind 9-11. <p>&nbsp;</p><p>Or maybe he joined so he could go to college, or learn a trade.&nbsp; i know a lot of people in the service, and only a couple went in all hardcore GI JOE about it. Most just wanted money for school.</p><img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v124/Canofsoup15/Sigs/HippieRat.jpg" border="0" /> Finally on Myspace <a href="http://www.myspace.com/darkhippie" target="_blank">Visit this Website</a>Please love me<p>&nbsp;</p><p>i'm sorry hippie but i'm going to have to disagree.&nbsp; it's a fucking war; armour or not, there will be casualties.&nbsp; just b/c they &quot;could&quot; have had something doesn't necessarily mean you get it.</p><p>and joining to learn a trade/ college= the gov't ownes you. enough said. and that is where i will disagree with cindy sheehan.&nbsp; her boy made a choice to join; not to fight terror but to fight the wars the us decides to fight.</p><p>it is the army, not a means to an education or a skill.&nbsp; that is secondary to killing for our country.&nbsp; that's what an army does- it kills.&nbsp; </p>

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<p>I can't say it any better than this article did.&nbsp; </p><p><a title="linky" href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/usatoday/20050819/cm_usatoday/cindysheehandecampsleavingverymixedmessages" target="_self">Cindy Sheehan Article</a></p>

[FMJeff]

<p>I agree with Bulldog. If she wants to be the lightning rod, as the article calls her, and politicize her son's death, than she has to be up for the debate. Regardless if you're for or against the war, she has taken that step beyond grief and mourning and turned it into a cause. I commend her for DOING something with her pain and EXPERIENCING it in a way most parents would not, but she is a movement leader now, and that comes with some responsibility, and one of those responsibilities is testifying in the court of public opinion. </p><p>I don't know if it is the responsibility of the President of the United States to talk to weeping mothers. I do know Presidents, when they feel obligated, call the families of deceased soldiers. If I was in the President's position, I would talk to her, but I'm not. I think the real reason he's adverse to the sit down is he doesn't have an answer for her. How do you, as a President, answer the cries of a weeping mother? Even in a justifiable war, loss of life is incomprehensible and indefensible to the one person it means the most. Mother's don't care about the grand scheme of things. They lost thier babies. Some are going to lash out. Some are going to support the war, some are going to hate the government for sending thier children into battle. Some are going to hate the government for acting on bad intelligence, for changing justifications for war, for staying there longer than what we said we would. </p><p>The conversations are all moot now. It's done. A sudden pullout of Iraq would galvanize the terrorists in a manner we've never experienced before. When they beat the Soviet Union in Afghanistan, they used that as a lightning rod to increase thier power. What do you think is going to happen if they &quot;beat&quot; the United States of America? </p><p>This is our Vietnam, this is Bush's albatross, it's a fucked up world of incomprehensible things floating in a mire of lies, greed, love, death, human drama....it's life and people sorting themselves out as only it it/we can....through conflict, protest, murder, deceit, honor, bravery....</p><p>I guess all Cindy Sheehan and those for and against her can take the moment and LISTEN to what both sides have to say without sequestering themselves behind political factions....</p><p>This woman is grieving, she has things to say, she's doing something with the loss and the time she has left. Let's not diminish that by calling her a fraud, that she's using her son's death to push some agenda...that's just disgusting. So what if she is...she lost her baby...she's earned her right to speak. Disagree with her, poke holes in her arguements, but don't dishonor her own sacrifice and her newfound mission in life. </p>

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[monsterone]

<font style="font-size: 9px" face="Verdana">quote: </font><p>Let's not diminish that by calling her a fraud, <strong>that she's using her son's death to push some agenda</strong>...that's just disgusting. So what if she is...she lost her baby...she's earned her right to speak. Disagree with her, poke holes in her arguements, but don't dishonor <strong>her own sacrifice</strong> and her newfound mission in life. </p><img src="http://www.ronfez.net/imagestorage/fmjeff.gif" border="0" /> <br />It made my heart sing.<div align="left">did you read the yahoo article.&nbsp; her husband is filing for divirse, her sister-in-law has denounced her. her son made the sacrifice, not her.&nbsp; she has an agenda.&nbsp; it is a shame that the right and left are using her; but that is the nature of the media.<br /></div>

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[FMJeff]

<p>Her sacrifice is the lost of her son, her family...dont you get that bond...if you don't understand that I can't explain it to you....when you lose your family to something like this, its as if you died too...she has BLOOD in this war....she thinks her son's death was pointless, many people agree with her, what's wrong with speaking out against it? who has the right to say she can't talk about it, protest against it? </p><p>she has every right to say what she has to say as people have to disagree with her...moveon.org has every right to use her son's death and her pain to push the agenda they feel is right, which is this war is a cluster fuck...THAT'S WHAT YOU DO...you mobilize your movement around a hero or a figurehead....people identify with strong opinions and strong leaders..ghandi, mother theresa...</p><p>who else do you expect moveon to use? is she not the logical choice to rally behind? she shares thier beliefs.... what else do you expect them to do? how else can you motivate people to agree with you? to listen to you? stories, human stories, a woman lost her son to war she doesnt' agree with...its enough for me to sit up and take notice...</p><p>you don't have to agree with her, im not saying that....supporters of this war, hate her opinions till the day you die...but listen to them before dismissing her...</p><p>and yes i did read the article...her husband abandoned her, her family abandoned her, its very sad...she has nobody in her family left, it must be horribly lonely for her...</p><p>i don't think she's disrespecting his death at all...i think she thinks in her way she is honoring it....it's her son, ill give her the benefit of the doubt that her motivations are honest and from the heart...</p><p>jeez, what a jaded society we've become...</p>

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<p>I don't know if it is the responsibility of the President of the United States to talk to weeping mothers.</p><p>It varies on a case-by-case basis but it goes back a ways in our nation's history:</p><p><img height="355" src="http://www.phoenixmasonry.org/masonicmuseum/images/abraham_lincoln_bixby_ltr_1.jpg" width="315" border="0" /></p><p>I'm sorry for Cindy Sheehan's loss and I appreciate her and her&nbsp;son's sacrifice.&nbsp; However, her demand to speak to Bush is wearing a little thin with me -- particularly when she already met him.&nbsp; </p>

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<p>the war aside what is she <a href="http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=46368" target="_blank">thinking?</a></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>i'm sorry, i feel for her loss but what is she trying to accomplish?&nbsp; she's minimalizing her loss by chasing bush in govt failures.&nbsp; bad bad bad news for her supporters.</p>

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[HBox]

I think people should stop using Sheehan as a
shield for their political views. In fact, I think we are long past
that point.<br />


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<p>Cindy Sheehan plans to tie herself to the White House (http://abcnews.go.com/US/IraqCoverage/wireStory?id=1242048)</p><p></p>
<p> &quot;I'm going to go to Washington, D.C. and I'm going to give
a speech at the White House, and after I do, I'm going to tie
myself to the fence and refuse to leave until they agree to
bring our troops home,&quot; Sheehan said in a telephone interview
last week as the milestone approached.</p>
<p> &quot;And I'll probably get arrested, and when I get out, I'll
go back and do the same thing,&quot; she said.
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<p>BDC,&nbsp;you say&nbsp;you hate her, and you're sick of hearing about her, yet you're&nbsp;singlehandedly keeping this thread alive with updates on what she's doing.</p><p>I watch an ungodly amount of news, and I haven't seen anything on her in weeks.&nbsp; Let it go, dude.&nbsp; There are ALWAYS obsessively determined protesters no matter who is the president.</p><img src="http://scripts.cgispy.com/image.cgi?u=TheMojoPin" border="0" /> <br />Dancing with the women at the bar... &lt;&lt; He knows his Claret from his Beaujolais &gt;&gt; &quot;You can tell some lies about the good times we've had, but I've kissed your mother twice...and now I'm working on your dad...&quot;

<font color=black>This message was edited by TheMojoPin on 10-26-05 @ 1:25 AM</font>

[FUNKMAN]

<p><a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051025/ap_on_re_us/clinton_sheehan" target="_self">Sheehan: Oppose Clinton if She Backs War</a> </p><p>i'm starting to think the grief over the death of her son is actually making her clinically insane...</p><p>it's a shame but maybe she really needs some professional help</p><p>edit: i think most people agree the war was not a necessity but agree that we need to remain in Iraq till their own people can keep some sort of stability</p><img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v53/monster6sixty6/guests/fm2_sig.jpg" border="0" />

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[Se7en]

What, you think she just went insane?&nbsp; The fact that months ago she was saying shit like George Bush was worse than the subhuman animals who killed her son?&nbsp; She's a joke.&nbsp; She alwas was, actually, she's a sad woman who unfortunately has used the death of her son, a man who obviously disagreed quite strongly with her anti-war views, for her own personal gain to promote her agenda.&nbsp; She's an embarassment, and it's a shame that, for a moment, she was the darling of the left, before they realized that she was even too crazy for them.&nbsp; I suppose they got what they wanted out of her, though.

[TheMojoPin]

<p>There'd be much more fruit in that avenue if they went with Pat Tillman.&nbsp; There the family AND the dead hero were opposed to what the administration ended up doing overseas. </p><p>But let's hope people have a little more class.</p><img src="http://scripts.cgispy.com/image.cgi?u=TheMojoPin" border="0" /> <br />Dancing with the women at the bar... &lt;&lt; He knows his Claret from his Beaujolais &gt;&gt; &quot;You can tell some lies about the good times we've had, but I've kissed your mother twice...and now I'm working on your dad...&quot;

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<p><font size="1">What, you think she just went insane?&nbsp; The fact that months ago she was saying shit like George Bush was worse than the subhuman animals who killed her son?&nbsp;</font></p><p>i'll tell you somethin, there's more than one way to destroy a person. i read the article today about over 2,000 companies having their hand in the Food For Oil money. Do you really think any of these fuckers care about the Iraqi citizens. And would you think for one minute that George Bush has no fucking idea that this Corporate Rape is going on. Yeah it may be too big a problem for him to handle but i feel that he knows what is and has been taking place. </p><p>give me an answer: who is gonna stop it?</p><p>terrorists kill people with bombs while these corporations and their executive leaders take the lions share and leave millions of people in poverty. they leave people destitute, depressed, sick, and dying.&nbsp; the problem with terrorists are they are not killing the people who are fucking them over, their killing innocent woman and children, but so are the wealthiest/greediest of this world</p><p>there was a bunch of politicians as well that had their hands in the pie. the so-called fucking leaders of the people who should watch out for their best interest</p>

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<p> Cindy Sheehan plans Euoupean tour (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/P/PEACE_MOM?SITE=FLTAM&amp;SECTION=US)</p><p><span class="body">Sheehan said she plans to take her peace activist message to Europe next month with stops in London and Madrid.</span>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p>

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<p>I think, I'm not sure, but I think I saw the &quot;Peace Moms&quot; protesting at Ground Zero on NBC-4 news.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>So help me god, if she uses 9/11 to push her agenda....</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p>

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<strong>Tenbatsuzen</strong> wrote:<br /><p>I think, I'm not sure, but I think I saw the &quot;Peace Moms&quot; protesting at Ground Zero on NBC-4 news.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>So help me god, if she uses 9/11 to push her agenda....</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>why not? bush used it to push his agenda.&nbsp; his agenda got her son killed.</p>

[HBox]

If she does, she'll be the last one even remotely connected to politics use it.<br />

[Tenbatsuzen]

<p>My point is, don't show up to a place where 3,000 people were murdered on the five year anniversary of the event and have a protest.&nbsp; It puts her in the same category as Shirley Phelps Roper.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p>

[BLZBUBBA]

<p>Mixed feelings about Sheehan.&nbsp; Yes she has the right to speak out.&nbsp; My problem is that she should have talked her son out of enlisting.&nbsp; That's when she should have &quot;spoke out&quot;.&nbsp; She was around during Vietnam.&nbsp; Kids back then didn't have the luxury of deciding whether to enlist or not.&nbsp; There was this draft thing you see.&nbsp; She should have known that once her kid signed on the dotted line that he was signing up to more or less be govt. property.&nbsp;And as such he could&nbsp;be sent anywhere whether it was&nbsp;worthy of&nbsp;his participation or not.&nbsp;</p><p>Is Iraq worth the effort?&nbsp; Seems to me we went in for WMDs (they didn't have them) and regime change (done).&nbsp; Seems to me the mission&nbsp;was accomplished a long time ago.&nbsp; What are we still doing there?&nbsp; If they are in the throws of a civil war they'll have to to settle it themselves.&nbsp; We can't settle it for them.&nbsp; We can't stay there forever either.&nbsp; Afghanistan I've no problem with.&nbsp; But Iraq?&nbsp; As&nbsp;far as &quot;all&quot; the soldiers thinking Iraq&nbsp;is worthwhile?&nbsp; There's&nbsp;that old saying...&quot;You&nbsp;pay for everything you say.&quot;&nbsp; And I don't&nbsp;think for a minute that EVERY soldier thinks this thing is worthwhile.&nbsp;But back to Afghanistan.&nbsp; There's that Osama guy running around there along the border with Pakistan.&nbsp; Almost 5 years ago some guy was spewing the following about Osama...&quot;There's a&nbsp;poster out west.&nbsp; Wanted Dead or Alive.&quot;&nbsp; It has been 5 years.&nbsp; Where the fuck is he?&nbsp;Does anyone want to morph&nbsp;Osama into Saddam&nbsp;AGAIN and say Iraq&nbsp;is&nbsp;THE issue?&nbsp; It's about&nbsp;Osama and always&nbsp;has been.&nbsp; At least to me it&nbsp;still is.&nbsp;&nbsp;Repeat:&nbsp; WHERE THE FUCK IS&nbsp;OSAMA?&nbsp; &nbsp;After all,&nbsp; he's wanted dead or alive.&nbsp; Right?&nbsp;&nbsp; </p>

[UnknownPD]

<p><font color="#000080" size="2">If she does, she'll be the last one even remotely connected to politics use it</font></p><p><font size="2">Cindy's entire gig is political. What started as a tribute to her son has become her being used by the left as a poster child. Visits and praise to Hugo Chavez, trips around the globe to leftist organizations and politicians. She has morphed into a professor of a world view rather then&nbsp;the &nbsp;anti-war mom. </font></p><p><font size="2">Having said that 9/11 is all about politics and everyone no matter how whacky should have the right to speak. The attack and its aftermath have shaken the government too the core and as well as the peoples belief in it. We need this vigorous debate or thousands of people will have died for nothing. And stopping debate of any sort really means the terrorists have won</font></p>

[FezPaul]

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[A.J.]

Shouldn't she be at work?