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Heavy

09-01-2005, 10:54 AM

The 2 presidents are talking now...They had a briefing about 30 minutes ago with the heads of all the relief agencies tell us they were prepared and are on site doing thier part, then a note from the N.O mayor says the situation at the civic Center is in crisis or somethig like that, and that theres 15-20,000 people there with no food, water or sanitation and there wont be enough buses to get them out.  Nevermind the fact that the guard is standing by because its not safe to go in and the fact that the buses wont go in because its not safe.  How the fuck is the guard not going in because theres reports of people with guns?  I hear there about 6,000 standing by until its safe to go in.....this make sense to anybody?  How is the situation going to be anything but worse by waiting?  theyll be more violent and desperate the longer they wait.  In any case the mayors message finally said  they are now allowing people to walk up the freeway to some location for relief.  Basically shes saying "nobodies coming to help you, so just start walking until you find a place that isnt destroyed".

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HBox

09-01-2005, 11:02 AM

If this anarchy keeps up, I think some people are
going to be in line for a Presidential Medal of Freedom. I'm looking at
you, director of FEMA. 

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Heavy

09-01-2005, 11:02 AM

Ya know , this is pissing me off.  Around Jan of 02' I found a job that was with some "Quick reaction disaster relief" thing that was created after 9-11 incase of another attack.  the idea was that we would all deploy to any part of the country should we be needed.  I cant find anything like this online now, maybe one of you knows about this.  I operate heavy equipment like dozers, excavators, loaders etc.  If you have any idea what company or orginization handles this let me in on it.  Thanks.

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Furtherman

09-01-2005, 11:09 AM

From CNN.com: New Orleans hospital halts patient evacuations after coming under sniper fire, a doctor who witnessed the incident says.  Also,<a href="http://www.cnn.com/2005/SHOWBIZ/Music/09/01/katrina.fatsdomino.ap/index.html" target="_blank">Fats Domino missing in N.O. Floods</a><img alt="Image hosted by Photobucket.com" src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/1003/Furtherman/furtherblur.jpg" border="0" />

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Doctor Manhattan

09-01-2005, 11:12 AM

sniper fire? From the N.O. citizens rioting or National Guard?I blame Rock Star Games:<img height="220" src="http://www.gamerang.com/ProductImages/280974b.jpg" width="156" border="0" /><a href="http://www.xmradio.com/programming/channel_page.jsp?ch=202" target="_blank"><img src="http://scripts.cgispy.com/image.cgi?u=skw" border="0" /></a>

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HBox

09-01-2005, 11:17 AM

Sniper? Maybe an errant shot from some National Guard trying to keep order? 

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Heavy

09-01-2005, 11:21 AM

No, a guy in a white shirt on a rooftop was firing at vehicles that people were getting into

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HBox

09-01-2005, 11:25 AM

[color=navy]What the fuck. That just doesn't make any fucking
sense. A doctor on CNN who talked to people at that hospital is saying
that people will die soon if they can't be evacuated from the hospital.
I thought there was martial law? Find the guy who's doing this and end
him. 

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ChickenHawk

09-01-2005, 11:35 AM

Maybe it's another black guy and his 15 year old son.

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angrymissy

09-01-2005, 11:36 AM

They are shooting at helicopters trying to land on the hospitals as well.  One of the reports said the shooter was trying to jack the helicopter - telling the pilot to evac him  before the patients

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Snoogans

09-01-2005, 11:37 AM

i think they are shooting at the evacuators cause those people arent
allowed there. like the buses from the superdome were ONLY for people
in the superdome. they dont let others on, and they say those others
are shooting and things 

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Heavy

09-01-2005, 12:06 PM

quote: What the fuck. That just doesn't make any fucking sense. A doctor on CNN who talked to people at that hospital is saying that people will die soon if they can't be evacuated from the hospital. I thought there was martial law? Find the guy who's doing this and end him. <img src="http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/9434/sig3wm.jpg" border="0" /> This message was edited by HBox on 9-1-05 @ 3:25 PM Dawg the thing is that theres NO FUCKING SECURITYDawg the thing is that theres NO FUCKING SECURITY

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angrymissy

09-01-2005, 12:15 PM

NEW ORLEANS, Louisiana (CNN) -- New Orleans' Charity Hospital halted efforts to evacuate its patients after it came under sniper fire, according to Dr. Tyler Curiel, who witnessed the incidents. The attack came as New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin issued "a desperate SOS" for the thousands of people stranded in and around the city's convention center with no food or water and fading hope.Curiel and his National Guard escorts, were returning to the hospital after dropping off patients at nearby Tulane Medical Center, when someone started shooting at their convoy of Humvees."We were coming in from a parking deck at Tulane Medical Center, and a guy in a white shirt started firing at us," Curiel said. "The National Guard (troops), wearing flak jackets, tried to get a bead on this guy. "The incident happened around 11:30 a.m. (12:30 p.m. ET). About an hour later, another gunman opened fire at the back of Charity Hospital."We got back to Charity Hospital with with food from Tulane and we said, 'OK the snipers are behind us, let's move on,'" Curiel said. "We started loading patients (for transport) and 20 minutes later, shots rang out."The National Guard soldiers told staff to get away from the windows, and evacuations were halted.

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FMJeff

09-01-2005, 12:20 PM

fantastic job Bush. You were the right man for the job. Go pluck your guitar.

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angrymissy

09-01-2005, 12:22 PM

Does anyone know of any websites that have REAL TIME satellite imagery similar to google earth?  Even if it is a pay service?  My bosses sister lives in New Orleans (she evacuated) and is trying to find out if her house is underwater.

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booster11373

09-01-2005, 12:34 PM

I was just watching the Wolf Blitzer show on CNN, He made the follow comment while discussing the hurricane with Jack Caferty.. most of the people most affected are so poor and so black, wha?anyone else catch that?

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Heavy

09-01-2005, 12:34 PM

Theyve had the images on all the stations.  unless she /he doesnt know where his/her house is on the map, there shouldnt be any confusion. <img src="http://scripts.cgispy.com/image.cgi?u=JohneeWadd" border="0" /> A proportionate amount of props are equally distributed to my nigga's Fluff, Alexxis, CanOfSoup15, WWFallon and Katylina HORDE KING FOREVER!!! ORACLE NEVER!!!

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Heavy

09-01-2005, 12:40 PM

He noticed they were really black, not like those light skinned blacks.  The darker a black person is the less the white goverment will help them.

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booster11373

09-01-2005, 12:41 PM

something else that was brought up on the cable shows was the fact that Congress came back to address the Terri Schivoa case pretty quickly yet there hasn't been a peep out of them, they will be back later today or Friday JUST SAY NO.....to pimping

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booster11373

09-01-2005, 12:44 PM

plus.why won't the media just come out and say it, there afraid that a riot will break out at the NO conventio center, at least more of one then that already taking place that is.Plus at what point do you just stop sitting around waiting for help and just get the fuck out of dodge, walk motherfuckers walk.

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Heavy

09-01-2005, 12:56 PM

Its just another case of the black man being lazy.  Waiting for the white man to take care of them and support them.  Seriously though, they would have rescued white people by now but thats because white people wouldnt be shooting at vehicles rescuing people.  My disgust comes from the fact that theyd rather wait then to just be prepared to return fire and get the non scumbags out.  I mean you cant just leave them because youre scared theyll kill you.

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booster11373

09-01-2005, 01:02 PM

This is just a guess but I dont think that in general rescue teams especially copters are armed, I would think that they strip down nonvital equipment in order to carry more fuel for longer operating time and carry more passengers. JUST SAY NO.....to pimping

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spoon

09-01-2005, 01:26 PM

The New Orleans' Muffelletta sandwhich.  Delicious but oh so fattening. Got me rolling on that one!

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spoon

09-01-2005, 01:27 PM

quote: From CNN.com: New Orleans hospital halts patient evacuations after coming under sniper fire, a doctor who witnessed the incident says.  Also,<a href="http://www.cnn.com/2005/SHOWBIZ/Music/09/01/katrina.fatsdomino.ap/index.html" target="_blank">Fats Domino missing in N.O. Floods</a><img alt="Image hosted by Photobucket.com" src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/1003/Furtherman/furtherblur.jpg" border="0" /> This message was edited by Furtherman on 9-1-05 @ 3:10 PM Aint that a shame! 

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spoon

09-01-2005, 01:27 PM

quote: If this anarchy keeps up, I think some people are going to be in line for a Presidential Medal of Freedom. I'm looking at you, director of FEMA. <img src="http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/9434/sig3wm.jpg" border="0" /> Oh this is a given!  Nice call H.

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spoon

09-01-2005, 01:31 PM

quote: something else that was brought up on the cable shows was the fact that Congress came back to address the Terri Schivoa case pretty quickly yet there hasn't been a peep out of them, they will be back later today or Friday JUST SAY NO.....to pimping This message was edited by booster11373 on 9-1-05 @ 4:45 PM Great point Boost!  

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Heavy

09-01-2005, 01:34 PM

Finally the Guard is out there.  Reports of many rapes and murders are coming out.  Its like if these communities know theres no law around anymore they ust act like fucking escaped convicts, theres really no difference.

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IrishAlkey

09-01-2005, 01:51 PM

I'm watching CNN and New Orleans looks like a fucking Third World country in Africa.

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09-01-2005, 02:40 PM

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09-01-2005, 03:43 PM

<a target="blank" href="http://www.nola.com/newslogs/breakingtp/index.ssf?/mtlogs/nola_Times-Picayune/archives/2005_09.html#075833">House Speaker: Rebuilding N.O. doesn't make sense</a> 
 
WASHINGTON - House Speaker Dennis Hastert dropped a bombshell on
flood-ravaged New Orleans on Thursday by suggesting that it isn’t
sensible to rebuild the city. 
 
"It doesn't make sense to me," Hastert told the Daily Herald in
suburban Chicago in editions published today. "And it's a question that
certainly we should ask." 
 
Hastert's comments came as Congress cut short its summer recess and
raced back to Washington to take up an emergency aid package expected
to be $10 billion or more. Details of the legislation are still
emerging, but it is expected to target critical items such as buses to
evacuate the city, reinforcing existing flood protection and providing
food and shelter for a growing population of refugees. 
 
The Illinois Republican’s comments drew an immediate rebuke from Louisiana officials. 
 
“That’s like saying we should shut down Los Angeles because it’s built
in an earthquake zone,” former Sen. John Breaux, D-La., said. “Or like
saying that after the Great Chicago fire of 1871, the U.S. government
should have just abandoned the city.” 
 
Hastert said that he supports an emergency bailout, but raised
questions about a long-term rebuilding effort. As the most powerful
voice in the Republican-controlled House, Hastert is in a position to
block any legislation that he opposes. 
 
"We help replace, we help relieve disaster," Hastert said. "But I think
federal insurance and everything that goes along with it... we ought to
take a second look at that." 
 
The speaker’s comments were in stark contrast to those delivered by
President Bush during an appearance this morning on ABC’s “Good Morning
America.” 
 
“I want the people of New Orleans to know that after rescuing them and
stabilizing the situation, there will be plans in place to help this
great city get back on its feet,” Bush said. “There is no doubt in my
mind that New Orleans is going to rise up again as a great city.” 
 
Insurance industry executives estimated that claims from the storm
could range up to $19 billion. Rebuilding the city, which is more than
80 percent submerged, could cost tens of billions of dollars more,
experts projected. 
 
 

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09-01-2005, 04:08 PM

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El Mudo

09-01-2005, 04:43 PM

I'm amazed it actually took 5 days for people to start blaming the President....

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sr71blackbird

09-01-2005, 04:45 PM

Not that I am immune from the horror and devistation of this unfortunate diaster, but my heart really goes out to the good people who are now risking their lives to help these people.  For any person who willingly sets themselves down to live in an area that anyone in todays world, where access to educational material about just this type of event occuring and still deciding to settle down and have a family there is a travesty in and of itself.  To me, its like people who live on the side of an active volcano or in a tectonically unstable area, or an idiot who decides to pitch his tent on railroad tracks. Im sure I will be called names for saying this, but when its you and you have a family and your responsibility is to keep them safe, you have to have a moral obligation to do the right, intelligent thing. If the US government allows and supports the rebuilding if this city just as it was, they will have the guilt of all these deaths on their hands all over again the next time a hurricane comes along. I say we should pull all the troops out of Iraq and send them there to just bury this city completely and start over inland on higher ground.I am sending my support financially to the relief workers.

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09-01-2005, 05:05 PM

Not sure if this was posted already...<div> 
</div><div><a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20050901/pl_nm/weather_katrina_funding_dc">Budget cuts delayed New Orleans flood control work </a></div><div><div> 
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mdr55

09-01-2005, 05:25 PM

FATs Domino lives!!!

ChickenHawk

09-01-2005, 05:58 PM

I remember back in December seeing a chart that listed how much each major nation was contributing to tsunami relief efforts. Just curious to see what that chart looks like for Katrina relief. Probably straight zeros.

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HBox

09-01-2005, 06:12 PM

<a href="http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,168129,00.html" target="_blank">Everyone's favorite nation is getting ready to help.</a>Stop
comparing this to the tsunami. These are two different disasters. We
will not receive the amount of international aid that the tsuanmi
nations needed, nor should we. We are not a third world
nation. 
 

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Snoogans

09-01-2005, 06:29 PM

no, but we should recieve more local aid since this is to help our country 

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HBox

09-01-2005, 06:41 PM

I'm sure we will. 

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ChickenHawk

09-01-2005, 06:42 PM

Just because we're not a 3rd world nation, doesn't mean we can't use some extra help. Human suffering is human suffering. Even if you're not Indonesian.

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JPMNICK

09-01-2005, 06:44 PM

maybe instead of money, they can send equipment to help us. When we responded to the tsunami with less money then they thought we should have gave, they were outraged. its been a few days of this now, and really no one seems to be stepping up. Granted, we have not publicly asked for help and their may be some unwritten protocol for how to handle this. but i am sure some of those countries have some equipment we can use

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09-01-2005, 06:55 PM

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HBox

09-01-2005, 07:01 PM

<a target="_blank" href="http://money.cnn.com/2005/08/31/news/fortune500/firms_hurricane/index.htm">List of Corporate Contributions.</a>The biggest contributors were Toyota, Coca-Cola and Chevron, donating $5 mil each. 
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TheMojoPin

09-01-2005, 07:09 PM

Just because we're not a 3rd world nation, doesn't mean we can't use some extra help. Human suffering is human suffering. Even if you're not Indonesian.OK, countries most damaged by the tsunami...some of the poorest on Earth.  They had NO OTHER OPTIONS except outside health.  This hurricaine hit a city in the richest country on the planet.  I'm sure if we ask for help, we'd get it, but quite frankly, we don't need it.  Why should we just expect outside donations and resources when we're not even close to needing them?  Is a "it makes me feel better" victory really needed when the added resources will probably just go to waste? 

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Snoogans

09-01-2005, 07:11 PM

notice how Denny's didn't contribute a dime just sayin 

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TheMojoPin

09-01-2005, 07:13 PM

ZING!

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HBox

09-01-2005, 07:16 PM

I'm kinda embarrassed that a Japanese company's
donation is dwarfing a bunch of American company's contributions, some
of which are larger companies and some of which are oil companies(who
should be fucking shoveling piles of cash to the Red Cross).
 

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Snoogans

09-01-2005, 07:16 PM

Papa Johns franchisee owner Keith Sullens in Houston is using
his location in Reliant Stadium, which is adjacent to the Astrodome, to
provide up to 10,000 Pizzas to people arriving at the Astrodome from
the Superdome. He is also offering 150 delivery jobs open across the
Houston area to people evacuated from New Orleans as a chance for them
to get back on their feet. On the corporate Papa Johns will provide
water to people evacuated to the Astrodome. this is probably the best thing i read. It's more then just a donation, it's helping out real people directly. Though I wonder how many delivery guys are getting fired this week  

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Snoogans

09-01-2005, 07:17 PM

Southwest Airlines is bringing supplies such as ice, bottled water, flashlights and bug spray. The airline also picked up about 20 to 40 evacuees.you could pick up that many people with a short school bus. that doesn't seem like anything more then PR to me 

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HBox

09-01-2005, 07:19 PM

Harrah's Entertainment will establish an Employee Recovery Fund
of $1 million and will provide Biloxi, Gulfport and New Orleans casino
employees with their regularly scheduled base pay for up to 90 days.

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Snoogans

09-01-2005, 07:22 PM

Thrivent Financial for Lutherans has pledged $1 million to Lutheran relief agencies and will match member contributions. so this means they will only help luther vadross' relatives? 

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Snoogans

09-01-2005, 07:24 PM

Winn-Dixie announced a program called "Neighbors Helping
Neighbors," in which people can make donations in its Southeast stores
for Hurricane Katrina victims. Translation: They already stole our donations from the stores 

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Recyclerz

09-01-2005, 07:37 PM

Snoogans is on fire tonight!<img height="168" src="http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/2005/POLITICS/08/31/bush.katrina.ap/story.bush.wed.ap.jpg" width="220" border="0" />"I bet you I could bomb Cuba from here" Well played sir!

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Snoogans

09-01-2005, 07:50 PM

thank you, i'd have even more jokes but NO ONES POSTING ANYTHING 

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HBox

09-01-2005, 08:15 PM

Though I wonder how many delivery guys are getting fired this weekYou
know 90% of those guys are just high school kids saving up to get
platinum rims on their Celicas. 


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Snoogans

09-01-2005, 08:17 PM

they need that wing for the extra downforce when they are goin 40 around town 

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Recyclerz

09-01-2005, 08:18 PM

I'm amazed it actually took 5 days for people to start blaming the President.... Well, we were hoping that he might get something right but...There is plenty of blame to go around.  New Orleans' troubles are entirely man-made - if the levees were properly maintained and reinforced there would be no crisis in the city now.  Local, state and the federal government all fucked up on that.  The devastation caused by the storm surge in rural LA, Mississippi and Alabama qualifies as a natural disaster but one that was entirely predictable given the warnings.  The inability to prepare and have a response ready to hit the ground running is just a complete failure of leadership by the President and his administration.  Even the usually docile press corps is waking up: Anderson Cooper on CNN was practically yelling at the (Democratic in name only) chick senator from Louisiana for praising Bush and Frist saying that he saw rats eating a dead woman in the road, that's how well the government is doing; and this editorial from a Republican newspaper in Biloxi, MS saying there is an AFB within sight of the devastation where the troops are playing basketball.<a href="http://www.sunherald.com/mld/sunherald/news/special_packages/hurricane_katrina/12526270.htm">http://www.sunherald.com/mld/sunherald/news/special_packages/hurricane_katrina/12526270.htm</a>This apparent lack of  planning and concern for results is entirely consistent with our quagmire in Iraq. When he's not making me blind with rage of what I believe to be remarkedly stupid policy decisions I see W as a guy who is simply in way over his head, who because he was always insulated from the results of his early failures, has a too healthy self-regard and a taste for rolling big dice.  And somebody else always has to pay the price when he's wrong.  OK, rant over.One other point - I never thought Giuliani could ever get elected President, but if this relief effort keeps going this badly I think he might get nominated by both parties just to get somebody in office who has demonstrated he could handle a problem well.PSA - I was going to suggest we hire that banner plane guy again to welcome R&F back but I think the money would be better spent going to the relief effort and I gave my fistful of cash to the Red Cross.

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HBox

09-01-2005, 08:20 PM

Can you blame them? When you have the ultimate
responsibility of getting pizzas to people at a reasonably hot
temperature, you really need a Formula One. But these kids gotta make
due with what they got. 

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Snoogans

09-01-2005, 08:21 PM

thats what the big light thing is for on top. to cut the air and lessen the wind resistance, like a big metal shark 

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ozzie

09-01-2005, 08:25 PM

quote: Basically shes saying "nobodies coming to help you, so just start walking until you find a place that isnt destroyed". <img src="http://scripts.cgispy.com/image.cgi?u=JohneeWadd" border="0" /> A proportionate amount of props are equally distributed to my nigga's Fluff, Alexxis, CanOfSoup15, WWFallon and Katylina HORDE KING FOREVER!!! ORACLE NEVER!!! Guess what, many refugees and people without gas, power or supplies have found where that place is, and it happens to be where I LIVE!

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HBox

09-01-2005, 08:31 PM

We oughta just call this the 'We Can't
Anticipate ANYTHING Administration." I cannot believe that Bush
actually said this morning that "I don't think anybody anticipated the
breach of the levees." I FUCKING WATCHED MSNBC ALL NIGHT SUNDAY AND
THAT'S ALL THEY WERE FUCKING TALKING ABOUT!!!!!!!Oh, and I just saw that the Astrodome is already full. They are now diverting people to other shelters. 


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tele7

09-01-2005, 08:46 PM

quote: fantastic job Bush. You were the right man for the job. Go pluck your guitar. <img src="http://www.ronfez.net/imagestorage/fmjeff.gif" border="0" /> It made my heart singMission Accomplished!

tele7

09-01-2005, 08:48 PM

quote: I'm amazed it actually took 5 days for people to start blaming the President.... <img src="http://scripts.cgispy.com/image.cgi?u=BigCoop" border="0" /> Powered by <a href="http://www.cgispy.com/">CGISpy.com</a> .... We haven't seen the sun since '71Thanks Monsterone And Fallon         It's not fair to blame the president.....He was on vacation

Melrapuo

09-01-2005, 09:05 PM

These disasters always happen when he's on vacation.  I want my President working full-time from now on, dammit!(And if someone pointed this out already, I'm too tired to read the whole thread.)

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ozzie

09-01-2005, 09:06 PM

quote: quote: Basically shes saying "nobodies coming to help you, so just start walking until you find a place that isnt destroyed". <img src="http://scripts.cgispy.com/image.cgi?u=JohneeWadd" border="0" /> A proportionate amount of props are equally distributed to my nigga's Fluff, Alexxis, CanOfSoup15, WWFallon and Katylina HORDE KING FOREVER!!! ORACLE NEVER!!! Guess what, many refugees and people without gas, power or supplies have found where that place is, and it happens to be where I LIVE! <img src="http://www.stadiumpanoramics.com/images/college/auburn_end_zone.jpg" width="300" border="0" /> ...aaaaaand scene. Ok, that sounded really selfish, and I'm sorry, but today has been the worst day around here.  We got through the hurricane about as expected considering where it hit, and by Monday night has assessed our damages, and were making plans for recovery, but every day SINCE the hurricane has been progressively worse than the actual day of the Hurricane itself.We're just getting power, and still have over a hundred thousand homes without it, and very few gas stations open that have both the gas, and the power to dispense it, and now we're being flooded with people from the West AND East, which I still can't figure out.  Trucks are arriving with supplies for the estimated number of people in this area that were affected, and they're not even close to being enough due to the increased demand.  BamaNation has posted before about how overwhelming and ridiculous the amount of relief and supplies that are normally brought in, and already by yesterday they were out of MRE's (possibly because of what Bama mentioned about them being forced on every vehicle that comes through whether they were asked for or not).We were at half of our usual workforce today, and half of those were not able to come to work because they were either out of gas, or wouldn't have enough to make it here and back.  This area has it's own problems caused by the storm, but people are driving to the first place that has power on, and stopping here and taking their frustrations out on us.  We've been watching the road rage and fights at the gas stations for the last two days, and there's no hope in sight.  There is not a vacant hotel room anywhere in the area, and the demand for gas in this area has more than doubled or tripled, and each day the panic spreads more and more, and hoarding has begun, and people are spending the majority of their day calling to find who has gas, and waiting in line for it.  I see truck after truck with beds full of gas cans, some with 55 gallon drums, so now the daily limit is $20 per vehicle, which at the rates now is a little more than 7 gallons or so, and it takes me about that much to go back home, and begin my search again the next day.I usually couldn't give a shit about the hotel rooms except that it's put a stop to our customers and FAA inspectors being able to stay in this area, and we're not the only business affected by this.  I know that sounds selfish, but the economic impact to this area is bad enough, if smaller companies like ours start going under, the domino affect will continue to grow.Bottom line... we were SOOOoooo much luckier than those in New Orleans and Mississippi, and my heart goes out to those people, and I'd gladly give anything I can spare to help THESE people out......my frustration is with those that are traveling in to "sight see" the damage, and adding to the traffic, shortages, causing delays in getting needed supplies to those who really needed... but most of all I'm worried how long this gas panic will continue, and how far people will spread like locusts draining each small community, and travelling further and further to get it each time, using more gas getting there and back, and just how lo

FMJeff

09-01-2005, 09:39 PM

quote: quote: I'm amazed it actually took 5 days for people to start blaming the President.... <img src="http://scripts.cgispy.com/image.cgi?u=BigCoop" border="0" /> Powered by <a href="http://www.cgispy.com/">CGISpy.com</a> .... We haven't seen the sun since '71Thanks Monsterone And Fallon         It's not fair to blame the president.....He was on vacation Gimme a break. How about not flying around in your jet while the nation suffers an energy crisis. How about not touring the country in a horde of limos. How about not playing guitar while New Orleans sank to the bottom.Just give me the ILLUSION you care... 

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curtoid

09-01-2005, 09:55 PM

Yeah - why blame Bush when what we really should be doing is blaming Clinton. 

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HBox

09-01-2005, 09:58 PM

FDR really could have shored up this levee situation LONG ago. 

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A.J.

09-01-2005, 10:11 PM

quote: FATs Domino lives!!! Did they find him stranded on Blueberry Hill? 

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mdr55

09-01-2005, 10:20 PM

It's a hard job. I know it's hard. The people of the Gulf coast are
going through hard times right now. It's hard on everybody. I feel
their pain. But America must stay the course. If we pull out now, the
terrorist will win. And when times get tough, I turn to my dad for
help. Thanks dad. - George Dubya.

Heavy

09-01-2005, 10:55 PM

how can there not be live coverage on?   These people blow.  I wonder if theyre still raping babies at that convention center.

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HORDE KING FOREVER!!!

ORACLE NEVER!!!

ChickenHawk

09-01-2005, 11:26 PM

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and blame nature.

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Heavy

09-01-2005, 11:55 PM

<img height="220" src="http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/40754000/jpg/_40754760_ap_angelaperkins203.jpg" width="203" border="0" />Oh cryin' won't help you, prayin' won't do no good

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ORACLE NEVER!!!

Heavy

09-02-2005, 01:53 AM

Reported explosions at the superdome from MSNBC.  CNNs scroll thing says thick smoke billowing from area.  says Fires and explosions in south west N.O but doesnt say Superdome.  Mentions something about a rail line there and hazmat teams attempting to  get to it.Now MSNBC has a live call with carl quintanilla and its apparently a chemical plantIn a show from last night on CNN a guy in the convention center basically said  "all sorts of kids is bein raped , people is dyin, people with guns are all in hea"  

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PapaBear

09-02-2005, 02:47 AM

The CNN replay of the radio interview with the Mayor of New Orleans was riveting. Shit is so bad there. So bad... 

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A.J.

09-02-2005, 02:58 AM

A fed-up Louisiana Gov. Kathleen Blanco warned the lawbreakers that extra troops have already arrived in the city, and others are on the way -- and "they're locked and loaded." She said Thursday night that 300 soldiers from the Arkansas National Guard had arrived -- "fresh back from Iraq.""These are some of the 40,000 extra troops that I have demanded," Blanco said. "They have M-16s, and they're locked and loaded ... I have one message for these hoodlums: These troops know how to shoot and kill, and they are more than willing to do so if necessary, and I expect they will." And I read another article that said that New Orleans cops have turned in their badges saying that since they lost everything anyway, they didn't feel like losing their lives to these armed gangs.Jesus Christ -- New Orleans has turned into Haiti.

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Meve

09-02-2005, 03:17 AM

and now explosions rock the former city. I don't think there is anyway
to get this city back up. AndI don't think we should. No structure is
going to be safe to live/work in after sitting in water for this long.
I hope that they are wise enough not to throw in billions of dollars to
restore this city. That would be a down right shame. Relocate these
people and lets just clean up the rest. 

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09-02-2005, 03:21 AM

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Knowledged_one

09-02-2005, 04:06 AM

Just curious but should the president go to an area that the Secret Service would be unable to secure?Sniper fire at medical helicoptors, boats and buses being hijacked, no president would be down touring the wreckage of the Superdome.And about Bush's vacation - is there anyone else working in DC people act as if he is out swimming in his pool. he is working.  And although Bush has taken more "vacation" days then other presidents the amount of money he has spent compared to what Clinton spent on vacation trips to China, and other locations is a whole lot more.  Where do i want my president vacationing on his own ranch in Texas or in China

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Doctor Manhattan

09-02-2005, 04:43 AM

quote: And about Bush's vacation - is there anyone else working in DC people act as if he is out swimming in his pool. he is working.   It would be smart not to call it a "vacation" if he's working just as much as when he's not on "vacation"No one expects W or any other president to sit in his office from 9-5 Five days a week, We understand that he can do his job from wherever he is (If you watch 24, you never saw Presidents Palmer or Keeler in the Oval Office, they seemed to have a place to work to matter where they were{not that W should use 24 as a model for his presidency, but I don't think it would hurt!}) so why call it a vacation?I used to work in the government, and we just said we were "working from home".<a href="http://www.xmradio.com/programming/channel_page.jsp?ch=202" target="_blank"><img src="http://scripts.cgispy.com/image.cgi?u=skw" border="0" /></a>

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angrymissy

09-02-2005, 05:14 AM

The biggest contributors were Toyota, Coca-Cola and Chevron, donating $5 mil each.My company has donated $2mil cash and $4mil in medical supplies.  We have people headed down there next week with our products (we sell glucose meters, bedside test meters for all different kinds of tests, and also make nutritional drinks).  I think the corporate response to the disaster has been great.

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ChildofFez

09-02-2005, 05:17 AM

heard on CNN that the president had the pilot fly air force one low enough so he could moon the people on their rooftops. He was quoted as saying, "I heard they were starving so I wanted to deliver a fruit basket. Donny Rumsfeld was going to give them a hot lunch."

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09-02-2005, 05:26 AM

I heard Bill O'Reilly admonish the president on the radio last night and almost crapped my pants.  It was on Fox News radio.The President has handled this HORRIBLY.  He should be down in the area (I'm not saying right in downtown NOLA), holding press conferences, speeches on TV, he was able to do that on 9/11 - why not now?It is disgusting that he was joking around playing guitar while New Orleans drowned. 

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Doctor Manhattan

09-02-2005, 05:35 AM

quote: I heard Bill O'Reilly admonish the president on the radio last night and almost crapped my pants.  It was on Fox News radio. Now I know all hell is breaking loose.The President has handled this HORRIBLY.  He should be down in the area (I'm not saying right in downtown NOLA), holding press conferences, speeches on TV, he was able to do that on 9/11 - why not now?Because he's in his second term now.

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A.J.

09-02-2005, 05:40 AM

And about Bush's vacation - is there anyone else working in DC people act as if he is out swimming in his pool. he is working.  And although Bush has taken more "vacation" days then other presidents the amount of money he has spent compared to what Clinton spent on vacation trips to China, and other locations is a whole lot more.  Where do i want my president vacationing on his own ranch in Texas or in ChinaGuess who else has been on vacation?  That's right -- Congress and the Supreme Court.  See?  Their vacations are long too:House: August 1 - September 2                Summer District Work PeriodSenate: <table cellpadding="0" border="0"><tr><td valign="top">August 1 - September 5 </td><td valign="top">Senate not in session - August Recess </td></tr><tr><td valign="top">     September 5 </td><td valign="top">     Labor Day </td></tr><tr><td valign="top">     September 6 (Tuesday) </td><td valign="top">     Senate reconvenes </td></tr></table>The Supreme Court returns in October.

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Knowledged_one

09-02-2005, 06:06 AM

I totally agree AJDC in August with the heat and humidity is brutal why would he want to stay here

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angrymissy

09-02-2005, 06:23 AM

The point is, he did not give attention to this fast enough.  This is one of the great disasters to hit us in modern history and the President has NOT BEEN THERE FOR HIS PEOPLE.

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Knowledged_one

09-02-2005, 06:40 AM

How has he not been there?

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torker

09-02-2005, 06:47 AM

I'm not digging this racism angle.

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Doctor Manhattan

09-02-2005, 06:48 AM

quote: This is one of the great disasters to hit us in modern history and the President has NOT BEEN THERE FOR HIS PEOPLE. But he did flew around the city for a while in his 747 with Air Force Jet Escorts. Way to save some gas, asshat!

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JimBeam

09-02-2005, 06:58 AM

Yeah because the President really should be down there packing sandbags and handing out water.Hey you know I remember seeing Clinton in Oklahoma City moving rocks and looking for surviors.Wow those were the good ole days.Now I'm not trying to make this an anti-Clinton thing but I fail to see how this is Bush's fault.Did he decide 500 years ago to build a city below sea level ?You might as well blame Abe Lincoln for this because he didnt do anything to make the city safer either.Now to get back on topic I talked to a friend of mine in Baton Rouge and he said the city is like a giant refugee camp.The supermarkets are running out of supplies because they can't get any shipments into the city.Other friends who live north of NO say that the hotels in all surrounding towns are booked up.Tulane, UNO and Loyola havent made an announcement on when/if school would resume but you gotta think they have to shit can the whole semester.

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angrymissy

09-02-2005, 06:59 AM

How has he not been there?Are you fucking kidding me?  HOW HAS HE BEEN THERE should be the question.  I have seen him do absolutely nothing except a fly over.  No press conferences on television, no coordination of rescue relief, no nothing.  He said himself today that the response by our government was bad.  HE NEEDS TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THAT - HE IS THE PRESIDENT AFTERALL.  The day after the hurricaine he was playing guitar while the city flooded.  This is a major disaster - he needs to have a greater presence.  It looks like 5 days after the hurricaine he is finally trying to coordinate some response to the disaster.  5 days way too late.

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angrymissy

09-02-2005, 07:00 AM

I'm not saying this is Bush's fault.  I'm saying he needs to show some response to this disaster.  Not now, but 5 days ago.

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Doctor Manhattan

09-02-2005, 07:08 AM

quote: Yeah because the President really should be down there packing sandbags and handing out water. Hey you know I remember seeing Clinton in Oklahoma City moving rocks and looking for surviors.  But did Bill wait 5 days to get out there? Did W wait 5 days to get to Ground Zero? W only spent a few hours Zig Zagging accross the country, but he got to NYC more quickly than he got to N.O. (I think he going to be buzzing the area in a Helicopter today)And Actually, didn't W use funding that would have gone toward the Levees and use it on the war? 

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Knowledged_one

09-02-2005, 07:08 AM

Are you fucking kidding me?  HOW HAS HE BEEN THERE should be the question.  I have seen him do absolutely nothing except a fly over. -- Would you like him to land in a hostile environment where people are shooting at helicopters, boats and buses.  Is that a safe situation to put the president in a situation where his motorcade will attract people to surrond him as well as diverting resources to secure an area. No press conferences on television -- Funny i thought i saw one just the other day about the situation and Bush was the one giving the speech, no coordination of rescue relief, no nothing.  He said himself today that the response by our government was bad. -- Right FEMA the group responsible for handling emergency situations has handled it poorly.  And how would you like to handle situations that have not stabilized, if the flood waters continue to rise as they were in New Orleans what could be done.  And by response do you also mean the mayor of New Orleans who gave the evacuation call 36 hours prior to the storm when the city calls for at least 72 hours to evacuate. HE NEEDS TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THAT - HE IS THE PRESIDENT AFTERALL.  The day after the hurricaine he was playing guitar while the city flooded.  This is a major disaster - he needs to have a greater presence.  It looks like 5 days after the hurricaine he is finally trying to coordinate some response to the disaster.  5 days way too late.  --- Again as far as presence you can't drop into a hot zone and have him telling people what to do again that is FEMA's job.  He had to survey the damage from above to get a sense of the complete damage.  Would you have him release 30 million and then have to reasses the damage and give more.  Acting quickly doesn't always mean you are acting smart.Take off your blue colored glasses and get a clue this is not George Bush's fault - 

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angrymissy

09-02-2005, 07:20 AM

Would you like him to land in a hostile environment where people are shooting at helicopters, boats and buses.  Is that a safe situation to put the president in a situation where his motorcade will attract people to surrond him as well as diverting resources to secure an area.Go across the river to MS and speak there.  He did get to Ground Zero pretty damned fast.Funny i thought i saw one just the other day about the situation and Bush was the one giving the speechI saw one today.  It wasn't one of the "Speak to the Nation" ones it was just on the news.  Not like on 9/11 and it lasted for maybe 2 minutes.Right FEMA the group responsible for handling emergency situations has handled it poorly.  And how would you like to handle situations that have not stabilized, if the flood waters continue to rise as they were in New Orleans what could be done.  And by response do you also mean the mayor of New Orleans who gave the evacuation call 36 hours prior to the storm when the city calls for at least 72 hours to evacuate.Who is the boss of FEMA?  Who is in control of our military?  Who can give orders to mobilize the National Guard?  Yes, I believe the mayor of NOLA screwed up as wellAgain as far as presence you can't drop into a hot zone and have him telling people what to do again that is FEMA's job.  He had to survey the damage from above to get a sense of the complete damage.  Would you have him release 30 million and then have to reasses the damage and give more.  Acting quickly doesn't always mean you are acting smart.I'm not talking about prescence on the ground.  I'm talking about presence in the media, updating people on the situation and whats going on, telling people what we are going to do, exactly what happened the last time we had a major disaster, 9/11.Take off your blue colored glasses and get a clue this is not George Bush's fault Read my posts.  I never blamed this on Bush.  I am saying his lack of response to the situation is disgusting.  Even conservative radio is pissed at Bush right now.

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Doctor Manhattan

09-02-2005, 07:22 AM

I don't think anyone is really saying it's W's fault. It's Katrina's fault.And to be fair, even if W didn't cut the budget for the Levees, they may have still failed. Man can't win against nature.It's not W's fault. But W is still an Ass who isn't doing as much as he could. He won that last election it's time for him to start acting like a president!Is that a safe situation to put the president in a situation where his motorcade will attract people to surrond him as well as diverting resources to secure an area.W did go to Iraq with that Fake Turkey during a war.<img src="http://marc.perkel.com/images/bush_turkey.jpg" border="0" />We've got a god damned fool for our president.<a href="http://www.xmradio.com/programming/channel_page.jsp?ch=202" target="_blank"><img src="http://scripts.cgispy.com/image.cgi?u=skw" border="0" /></a>

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TheMojoPin

09-02-2005, 07:25 AM

Stop spinning this so absurdly...nobody is blaming Bush for the hurricaine or its effects and you know it.  His lack of ANY kind of significant response to the American people in the face of a massive tragedy is laughable.  His staff's fear of him making an ass of himself on TV or during press conferences has kept him off the air for most of the last 5 days EVEN THOUGH A MAJOR CITY HAS ESSENTIALLY BEEN WIPED OFF THE MAP.  I'm not expecting him to singlehandedly go down there and rebuild the levees...just get on TV on a regular basis during this and TALK TO THE AMERICAN PUBLIC YOU CLAIM TO WORK FOR.  Lead us, goddammit!  Keep us informed!  Screw political difference...be my fucking president!

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Doctor Manhattan

09-02-2005, 07:36 AM

He had to survey the damage from above to get a sense of the complete damage.<img height="168" src="http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/2005/POLITICS/08/31/bush.katrina.ap/story.bush.wed.ap.jpg" width="220" border="0" />Doesn't he watch the news? Is W really doing actual engineering surveys? Where is his pencil and paper?

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terryc35

09-02-2005, 07:39 AM

There is absolutely no way that Katrina was Bush's fault and I do not think that there was any pre-emptive action he could of taken....but there is also absolutely no way any one can tell me that the Federal Gov't is handling this even remotely well.  So they are overwhelmed, tough fucking shit...Citizens are aloud to be overwhelmed, our government is in place to be the rock that is able to handle any situation....there is no fucking way being overwhelmed can ever be an excuse that is suitable enough for the Federal Gov't.   If the Supreme court is on there fucking six month vacation in their Goddamn mansion they should have been back 5 days ago.    They are just talking now about cutting these fucking dinosaurs' vacations short now.  Infrastructure is not secure enough to land helicopters and get these poor people out of there???  Bull shit, this is the same Goddamn gov't who landed Blackhawks in the middle of militant Somalia for some bull shit mission.  They can't land choppers and get soldiers down among starving americans that are lying in their own shit starving to death with barely enough energy to stand...that is too risky?  I am looking out of my office as we speak on to Ground Zero and I remember how fast they got here to help us, and judging by how the gov't handled that day shows me that this is not a group that is easily overwhelmed...this is going to be the biggest black eye on Bush's presidency.  He does have 3 years left though, he may be able to top it. So far, this has been handed dreadfully and the deaths will be far greater than 9/11....the difference is none of those lives could have been saved.

JimBeam

09-02-2005, 07:40 AM

I'm not personally trying to spin this away from Bush.As I posted yersterday somebody got blasted back on like Page2 for even mentioning the politics side but the last 12 pages have been scatted with nothing but " President sucks, not doing enough, blah blah blah "

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Patches

09-02-2005, 07:48 AM

Bush is a fucking moron, and so are the 51% of you who voted him into office- tragedies, disasters, and calamities WILL strike over the course of a four year period and the jackasses who thought he could adequately handle them are being shown what a mistake they have made.  Blood is on their hands.A pol that actually seems to give a shit is NOLA mayor Ray Nagin.  Boy is he pissed:"I told him we had an incredible crisis here and that his flying over in Air Force One does not do it justice. ""they don't have a clue what's going on down here. They flew down here one time two days after the doggone event was over with TV cameras, AP reporters, all kind of goddamn -- excuse my French everybody in America, but I am pissed. ""I give the president some credit on this -- he sent one John Wayne dude down here that can get some stuff done, and his name is [Lt.] Gen. [Russel] Honore.  And he came off the doggone chopper, and he started cussing and people started moving. And he's getting some stuff done.  They ought to give that guy -- if they don't want to give it to me, give him full authority to get the job done, and we can save some people. ""they're thinking small, man. And this is a major, major, major deal.""we authorized $8 billion to go to Iraq lickety-quick. After 9/11, we gave the president unprecedented powers lickety-quick to take care of New York and other places.  Now, you mean to tell me that a place where most of your oil is coming through, a place that is so unique when you mention New Orleans anywhere around the world, everybody's eyes light up -- you mean to tell me that a place where you probably have thousands of people that have died and thousands more that are dying every day, that we can't figure out a way to authorize the resources that we need? Come on, man.""I don't know whether it's the governor's problem. I don't know whether it's the president's problem, but somebody needs to get their ass on a plane and sit down, the two of them, and figure this out right now.""I don't want to see anybody do anymore goddamn press conferences. Put a moratorium on press conferences. Don't do another press conference until the resources are in this city. And then come down to this city and stand with us when there are military trucks and troops that we can't even count.Don't tell me 40,000 people are coming here. They're not here. It's too doggone late. Now get off your asses and do something, and let's fix the biggest goddamn crisis in the history of this country."

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Doctor Manhattan

09-02-2005, 07:50 AM

So far, this has been handed dreadfully and the deaths will be far greater than 9/11....the difference is none of those lives could have been saved.Unfortunatley, the difference in W's eyes is that for 9/11 there was an enemy and an election he was worried about.I remember that right after 9/11 the Red Cross and other organizations were actually telling people that they were recieving too much blood donations and too many of certain supplies (bottle water I believe) IS that happening now for N.O.?

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Patches

09-02-2005, 08:04 AM

CNN had a followup with the man, Hardy Jackson who had the tearjerking story on BBC news about how he lost his grip on his wife after water tore through his home, and her last words were to take care of the kids (If anyone hadn't seen the original interview its on the bbc.co.uk site, under news- incredibly heartbreaking).  The followup interview is on cnn.com, also very painful.

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JimBeam

09-02-2005, 08:05 AM

Maybe if this mayor would've kicked his evacuation plan into gear a little sooner he wouldn't be yammering on about other people's failure to do their jobs.He's just pissed that he couldnt get the job done and that the governor has pretty much taken him out of the decission making process freeing him up for all these sound bites.

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terryc35

09-02-2005, 08:17 AM

Jimbeam...you are a complete fucking idiot.  Get your Goddamn defend lil' W blinders off.  The mayor gave adequate warning to get out.  Unfortunately though for the poor people in NO when you are supporting a five or six people on a combined household income of $26K/year and you don't have a car....it isn't that easy to get anywhere.  Most of these people don't even have checking accounts.  And unfortunately the state and/or federal Gov't can not going spending hundreds of millions evacuating and putting up entire cities every time a hurricane is suopposed to hit.  Because 999 out of a thousand times this is not the result.  And if we did spend the money trying to get the people out before every hurricane, you are theexact type of moron who would be bitching about what a waste of tax payers' money it is every time their is a false alarm. 

JimBeam

09-02-2005, 08:34 AM

So its more Bush's fault than the mayor of the city ?So Bush, hell any President, should know more about whats going on in every city in America more so than the senior elected official in that city ?Maybe you need to take off your anti-Bush glasses and see where the origin of the " man made " problem lies.I see so the way to have prevented this would have been to all of a sudden supply these people with 60K a year jobs and a new car ?The ball was dropped by the city first, the state secondly and now its being somewaht mishandled by the feds.But I bet John Kerry would've flown in on a unicorn, put all those people on his back, and flew them over the rainbow to a pot of gold.Please get over yourself.Oh yes and make sure that you blame somebody for the fact that they have 6 kids and only make 26K a year.Good planning.I have balls !!!

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terryc35

09-02-2005, 08:45 AM

First of all...I think John Kerry was a terrible candidate.  And I did vote for Bush and I am a republican.  But I am not a fucking idiot.  Both the state and federal gov'ts have handled this awfully.  But the state does not have deep enough pockets and/or enough manpower to handle a situation like this...It is the Federal gov'ts responsibility to realize when a state is in over its head and intervene.  That is why we have a federal gov't.  It isn't fifty states for themselves.  And know I am not saying you should give these people higher salaries and make trhem better prepared, I am not a communist...but fact is poverty is a part of our country and you have to at least try to comprehend the position of these people and why it was next to impossible to get out...you can't just say, "dumbasses should've gotten out their fault".  They have lived through numerous hurricane warnings before and they can not just eveacuate every time there is a warning...THAT COST MONEY!!!  they don't have any.You have to learn that it is okay to admit that the guy you voted for is not infallible and does make bad decisions at times and does drop the ball....you are allowed to do that.

Ndugu

09-02-2005, 08:52 AM

i think the whole situation was in federal hands when a disaster area was declared for the region a day before the hurricane hit

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JimBeam

09-02-2005, 08:55 AM

Dude I've said a million times I'm not even concerned with the politics side of it.It could be f'ing Ted Kennedy in office now and I wouldnt be blaming him for any of this.I'm not following anybody blindly and I'd gladly admit anytime I dont agree with the person I voted for but I'm also not gonna just sit back and listen to how the President is in any way responsible for the fact that people didnt have a way to get out of the city.Maybe the city/state should've had busses prepared, regardless of the actual severity of the storm, and forced people to leave.

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Tenbatsuzen

09-02-2005, 09:18 AM

As most of you know, I'm a moderate conservative, and I voted for Bush in the last election.  I didn't feel good about it, but it was the the best of the choices.That being said... This entire situation has been handled absolutely fucking atrociously on EVERY SINGLE LEVEL OF GOVERNMENT.  From local, to state, to federal, it's AWFUL.  It was a worst-case situation, and EVERYONE loses.I'm not happy with Nagrin, I'm not happy with Bianco, and I'm certainly not happy with Bush.  I'm not sure where and when that guitar picture was taken, but it was obviously done by the white house press corps, and I'm pissed that Bush's people even ALLOWED that fucking photo op to happen given the situation.On a bigger level, I turned my blinders on to a lot of situations involving the president because it didn't affect me directly.  With gas prices being gouged, I'm finally pissed off enough that I'm at the point where I'm sick of the direction this country is taking.We better have a strong, strong candidate in mind for 2008.  If it's another Bush crony, I will probably vote third party.

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FMJeff

09-02-2005, 09:23 AM

I have nothing but respect for the New Orleans mayor: <a href="http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/09/02/nagin.transcript/index.html">http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/09/02/nagin.transcript/index.html</a>

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Doctor Manhattan

09-02-2005, 09:28 AM

quote: So its more Bush's fault than the mayor of the city ? HOLY SHIT!NO ONE SAID IT WAS BUSH'S FAULT!We are saying Bush should be doing more. He could do his fuckin' job.quote: This entire situation has been handled absolutely fucking atrociously on EVERY SINGLE LEVEL OF GOVERNMENT.  From local, to state, to federal, it's AWFUL.  It was a worst-case situation, and EVERYONE loses.  I'm starting at the top of the list and working my way down. <a href="http://www.xmradio.com/programming/channel_page.jsp?ch=202" target="_blank"><img src="http://scripts.cgispy.com/image.cgi?u=skw" border="0" /></a>

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DJEvelEd

09-02-2005, 09:32 AM

It's laughable that people will blindly follow their party no matter how bad they screw up. How sad is it that the Bush supporters believe this man does no wrong? Sad, really

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JimBeam

09-02-2005, 09:42 AM

And almost as laughable as people blaming acts of nature on humans because they're still pissy that they lost an election.Just think if back in 2000 the people of Florida could've figured out those highly complex punch cards New Orleans would be bone dry, gas would be $ 0.50 a gallon and there'd be peace in the Middle East.Amazing how things turn out.

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Tenbatsuzen

09-02-2005, 09:45 AM

quote: It's laughable that people will blindly follow their party no matter how bad they screw up. How sad is it that the Bush supporters believe this man does no wrong? Sad, really I take it you didn't read my post at ALL then.

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JimBeam

09-02-2005, 09:51 AM

That was directed towards DJ's post not yours.

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Knowledged_one

09-02-2005, 09:51 AM

Yeah the mayor of New Orleans sure is a good guy lets bash those above us when he failed to act.And the decision to ride out a Category 5 storm is now an economic issue.  How much you wanna bet those that rode the storm out won't do such an idiotic thing again.  

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Knowledged_one

09-02-2005, 09:51 AM

Yeah the mayor of New Orleans sure is a good guy lets bash those above us when he failed to act.And the decision to ride out a Category 5 storm is now an economic issue.  How much you wanna bet those that rode the storm out won't do such an idiotic thing again. 

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Doctor Manhattan

09-02-2005, 10:05 AM

What didn't the Mayor do that he should have? <img src="http://s2.imagesubmit.com/tyrone.jpg" border="0" />And what does a mayor do really? Didn't DC have a crackhead for a mayor?<a href="http://www.xmradio.com/programming/channel_page.jsp?ch=202" target="_blank"><img src="http://scripts.cgispy.com/image.cgi?u=skw" border="0" /></a>

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Tenbatsuzen

09-02-2005, 10:07 AM

quote: What didn't the Mayor do that he should have? <a href="http://www.xmradio.com/programming/channel_page.jsp?ch=202" target="_blank"></a> He's not a strong leader with terrible public speaking skills.  Compare Giuliani to Nagrin.

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JimBeam

09-02-2005, 10:09 AM

No comb-over.

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TheMojoPin

09-02-2005, 10:09 AM

No lisp.

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TheMojoPin

09-02-2005, 10:11 AM

But bringing up ol' Rudy illustrates the point perfectly most here are trying to make...Giuliani was on TV as much as possible, keeping people informed and calm, generally acting like a leader.  That's what people are expecting Bush to do!  Show that he's leading, even if it's just speaking to the American people directly and repeatedly on TV...he's not doing anything even close to that!  He's a non-entity in his own country's biggest natural diaster in over a century.  I really can't make it anymore clear than that, but please, spin away.

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angrymissy

09-02-2005, 10:12 AM

And almost as laughable as people blaming acts of nature on humans because they're still pissy that they lost an election.NO ONE SAID THE HURRICAINE WAS BUSH'S FAULT

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JimBeam

09-02-2005, 10:13 AM

Here's the difference between a mayor and a governor :Gov. Kathleen Blanco, who like Nagin is a Democrat, was less confrontational than the mayor."When the system goes down, this is pretty much what you get," she said on CBS' "The Early Show." "We don't get into the blame game. We just work with what we got."Here is the interesting write up on Nagin from Wipedia :Clarence Ray Nagin (born <a title="June 11" href="http://www.ronfez.net/wiki/June_11">June 11</a>, <a title="1956" href="http://www.ronfez.net/wiki/1956">1956</a> in <a title="New Orleans" href="http://www.ronfez.net/wiki/New_Orleans">New Orleans</a>) is the <a title="Mayor" href="http://www.ronfez.net/wiki/Mayor">Mayor</a> of <a title="New Orleans" href="http://www.ronfez.net/wiki/New_Orleans">New Orleans</a>, <a title="Louisiana" href="http://www.ronfez.net/wiki/Louisiana">Louisiana</a>. He was elected in May <a title="2002" href="http://www.ronfez.net/wiki/2002">2002</a>, succeeding <a title="Marc Morial" href="http://www.ronfez.net/wiki/Marc_Morial">Marc Morial</a>Before his election, Nagin was a member of the <a title="United States Republican Party" href="http://www.ronfez.net/wiki/United_States_Republican_Party">United States Republican Party</a> and had little political experience; he was a vice president and general manager at Cox Communications, a <a title="Cable" href="http://www.ronfez.net/wiki/Cable">cable</a> communications company and subsidiary of <a title="Cox Enterprises" href="http://www.ronfez.net/wiki/Cox_Enterprises">Cox Enterprises</a>. Nagin did give donations periodically to candidates, namely President <a title="George W. Bush" href="http://www.ronfez.net/wiki/George_W._Bush">George W. Bush</a> and former Republican U.S. Representative <a title="Billy Tauzin" href="http://www.ronfez.net/wiki/Billy_Tauzin">Billy Tauzin</a> in 1999 and 2000, as well as to Democratic U.S. Senators <a title="John Breaux" href="http://www.ronfez.net/wiki/John_Breaux">John Breaux</a> and <a title="J. Bennett Johnston" href="http://www.ronfez.net/wiki/J._Bennett_Johnston">J. Bennett Johnston</a> earlier in the decade.Days before filing for the <a title="New Orleans" href="http://www.ronfez.net/wiki/New_Orleans">New Orleans</a> Mayoral race in February 2002, Nagin switched his party registration to the <a title="United States Democratic Party" href="http://www.ronfez.net/wiki/United_States_Democratic_Party">United States Democratic Party</a>, presumably in order to improve his chances of winning the race in heavily Democratic <a title="New Orleans" href="http://www.ronfez.net/wiki/New_Orleans">New Orleans</a>. Shortly before the primary election, an endorsement praising Nagin as a reformer by <a title="Gambit Magazine" href="http://www.ronfez.net/w/index.php?title=Gambit_Magazine&action=edit">Gambit Magazine</a> gave him crucial momentum that would carry through for the primary election and runoff. In the first round of the crowded mayoral election in February 2002, Nagin received first place with 29% of the vote, against such opponents as Police Chief <a title="Richard Pennington" href="http://www.ronfez.net/w/index.php?title=Richard_Pennington&action=edit">Richard Pennington</a>, State Senator <a title="Paulette Irons" href="http://www.ronfez.net/w/index.php?title=Paulette_Irons&action=edit">Paulette Irons</a>, City Councilman <a title="Troy Carter" href="http://www.ronfez.net/w/index.php?title=Troy_Carter&action=edit">Troy Carter</a> and others. In the runoff with Pennington in May 2002, Nagin won with 59% of the vote. His campaign was largely self-financed.Shortly after taking office, Nagin launched an anti-corruption campaign within city government, which included crackdowns on the city's Taxicab Bureau and Utilities Department. Nagin also made a controversial endorsement of current Republican U.S. Representative <a title="Bobby Jindal" href="http://www.ronfez.net/wiki/Bobby_Jindal">Bobby Jindal</a> in the 2003 Louisiana Gubernatorial Runoff over current Demo

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09-02-2005, 10:17 AM

Nagin's to blame for not getting better evacuation
plans in place before the hurricane, but what exactly is he supposed to
do when the full area of his authority has been completely decimated?
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Hottub

09-02-2005, 11:43 AM

<a href="http://hosted.ap.org/specials/neworleanssatellite/index.html" target="_blank">Link to a Sat photo taken 10:00am Aug 31.</a>

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DJEvelEd

09-02-2005, 11:46 AM

Bush is TOTALLY to blame for the hurricane. He is Satans puppet.

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09-02-2005, 11:51 AM

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booster11373

09-02-2005, 12:30 PM

Video of New Orleans Finest looting a walmart<a href="http://www.frycookonvenus.com/index.php?name=News&file=article&sid=1068" target="_self">http://www.frycookonvenus.com/index.php?name=News&file=article&sid=1068</a>

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Heavy

09-02-2005, 12:53 PM

I saw on CNN around 7 an interview with the attractice brunette (Soljan)? and the FEMA guy.  He still just insisting theyre doing great work and she pretty much wasnt having it.  He said they found out there were people (20,000 ish) at the convention center on THURSDAY.  She like, we had them on T.V before you even knew thare were 20,000 people there, are you kiddin me dawg???   All I know is that the top highest ranking ....10 guys and gals in FEMA should just be fired immediatly. As far as bush goes, I mean he's just as bad as he could be.  Mojo, you want him to talk to you more often?  dont you want to throw something at the tv when he tells you stuff that everybody knows aint true and everytime you know hes lying?   I actually dont want to hear from him,  I want to hear from that mayor again.   The hurricane isnt his fault, but the recovery is %100 his fualt.  How disgusted would we be is terrorist blew the levee and for at least 4-5 days we had citizens starving to death, dehydrated, raping, murdering, shooting at police, police "quitting" everyday, and all this without any bad guys organized to do harm to us as there would be if terrorist were to blame for it.  It not his fault it rained, its his fault that 4 years later we aint got shit in order to help in case of a disaster, terrorist cause or otherwise.

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HBox

09-02-2005, 01:00 PM

<a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9175553/" target="_blank">And now perhaps the biggest oil spill in U.S. history.</a><a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9175553/" target="_blank"></a>

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Bulldogcakes

09-02-2005, 01:15 PM

quote:But
bringing up ol' Rudy illustrates the point perfectly most here are
trying to make...Giuliani was on TV as much as possible, keeping people
informed and calm, generally acting like a leader. That's what people
are expecting Bush to do! Show that he's leading, even if it's just
speaking to the American people directly and repeatedly on TV...he's
not doing anything even close to that! 
 Uhh, I dont know
about you Mojo, but every time he does address the American Public, I
dont feel any better. I learned a loooong time ago public speaking is
not this man's strong suit. 
    
BTW-Let me sum up this entire thread"Bush fucked this up completely" "Nobody's blaming Bush"  Carry on.  

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Heavy

09-02-2005, 01:47 PM

And now an evac bus flips over north of lafeytte

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HBox

09-02-2005, 02:21 PM

TALLAHASSEE - Hundreds
of Katrina evacuees who fled to Tallahassee seeking refuge from the
storm have been politely told by their hotels and motels to leave this
weekend to make room for a football game: FSU vs. Miami.
Hotel space is traditionally scarce any time the Florida State
Seminoles take on the University of Miami Hurricanes, one of the
choicest tickets on the college football schedule.
But with hotels packed with families from Louisiana and Mississippi,
and room space booked for Monday's game for months, hotel operators say
they are trying to accommodate the evacuees but have no choice but to
nudge them out.
''We have to let them know what's going on in town and they're going
to have to leave,'' said Angie Rayman, manager at the Howard Johnson.
``Many of them are trying to get closer to home anyway.''
HAPPENED AFTER OPAL
Local emergency officials say it's happened before, when the
football schedule displaced Panhandle evacuees who fled from Hurricane
Opal in 1995.
This time, the American Red Cross is ready to help. It will open as
many as six shelters if needed -- five churches and a senior center --
and volunteers are plentiful.
''It only takes 20 minutes to get a shelter up and running,'' said
Faye Rioux, shelter manager for the Leon County chapter of the American
Red Cross. ``As long as there's a need, we'll be there.''
But for some of the evacuees, being displaced for a football game is just one more setback in a week of suffering.
''I'm disappointed because I wanted to stay about three weeks,''
said James Payne, 63, of West Bank, La. He found the Holiday Inn
Capital View on the Web and drove 19 hours to get there Sunday.
His wife, who is in a wheelchair, and his sick mother-in-law
weathered the ride, but it was a strain on them all, and on his weak
heart. He has no idea whether his house is still standing and expects
it will be weeks before he heads home.
''I'm not saying anything bad,'' he said. ``It's all kind of hard. But we can't stand in the road.''
The staff at the Marriott Courtyard told the Hall family of Gulfport, Miss., that they have to leave by Friday night.
Reagan Hall, a Gulfport dentist, made arrangements to relocate to a
Destin hotel, and to meet other relatives there, but they'll have to
find another kennel for their three dogs.
''I'd be real happy about it if they gave me [game] tickets,'' he said. His wife said she's ready to leave.
''I'm getting antsy to get back anyway,'' said Joy Hall, holding
their 4-month-old son, Dawson. The family's dental office is still
standing, just four blocks from the battered beach, but they have no
idea about their home.
The message was the same from hotel officials at the Doubletree, the Best Western and Homewood Suites.
The Ramada Inn was the exception. Hotel staff saw the conflict
coming last week. They are housing the UM football team but wanted to
accommodate everyone, said Rochell Araiza, director of sales.
So the staff called around, found some Miami residents who didn't
need their rooms and persuaded others to reschedule for another time.
The result: They have enough rooms, with a few to spare, for the
evacuees and their pets ''to stay as long as they need to,'' she said.
FSU DONATION DRIVE
FSU officials said they were not aware of the hotel crunch but
separately planned a response to the hurricane. FSU President T.K.
Wetherell asked football fans to come to Doak Campbell stadium ready to
make cash donations for the American Red Cross to help victims.
''If we join together and use this game as an opportunity to mount a
relief effort, we can make a real difference in the lives of people who
are truly suffering,'' he said.<a href="http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/na

curtoid

09-02-2005, 02:38 PM

<blockquote style="">quote: DC in August with the heat and humidity is brutal why would he want to stay here[/quote] So...you leave DC for TEXAS?

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curtoid

09-02-2005, 02:46 PM

Kerry's response, had he been President, would more than likely not have been much better than Bush's, but I'm pretty certain it couldn't have been worse. It's like they learn nothing - after the delay after the Tsunami you would have thought someone would have been awake at the wheel and put the President out there looking like a fucking leader. Say what you will, but Clinton would have been out there from the start - he has a way of connecting to the poor that few politicians have really mastered. It might have been lip service, and he might have been saddled with the same govt. nightmare, but he would have been there leading and supporting. SAME THING WITH RUDY. As the BBC put it, these are abandoned people in an abandoned city.  

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Meve

09-02-2005, 03:09 PM

Is there a way online that I can check for survivors or through a list
of the dead? I'm looking for a friend of the family that we haven't
heard from in awhile. 

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TheMojoPin

09-02-2005, 03:20 PM

quote: Uhh, I dont know about you Mojo, but every time he does address the American Public, I dont feel any better. I learned a loooong time ago public speaking is not this man's strong suit.  And this is an excuse?  It's a basic part of the job since the days of radio. quote: BTW-Let me sum up this entire thread  "Bush fucked this up completely" "Nobody's blaming Bush"  Once more...nobody is blaming Bush for for what happened.  What he IS being criticized about is his response (or lack thereof) AFTERWARDS.  How hard is this to grasp?<img src="http://scripts.cgispy.com/image.cgi?u=TheMojoPin" border="0" /> Too drunk to dream... << Champagne for my real friends, and real pain for my sham friends. >> "You can tell some lies about the good times we've had, but I've kissed your mother twice...and now I'm working on your dad..."

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spoon

09-02-2005, 05:34 PM

quote: I totally agree AJDC in August with the heat and humidity is brutal why would he want to stay here<img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/1003/Aggie/Wu2.jpg" border="0" /> Internet Tough Guy #1 - Just look at my e-muscles Give me a fucking break!  They came running back for Terry, you know all life is important, so how about millions (affected by this).  Oh and let's get out of DC bc of the heat and go to Texas.  Good point.  Oh and Dick is still on vacation and Condi was at Spamalot the other day and got bitched at by New Yorkers as she shopped for shoes too.  She had the SS remove the people from the store as she continued to shop. 

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09-02-2005, 05:36 PM

quote: I'm not digging this racism angle. <img src="http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y201/torker1313/vjhvjvjvj.jpg" border="0" />No Static At All! <div align="left"> Then look at it from an economic angle.  You can't look the other way, it's fucking disgusting.  </div>

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spoon

09-02-2005, 05:43 PM

"no coordination of rescue relief, no nothing.  He said himself today that the response by our government was bad. -- Right FEMA the group responsible for handling emergency situations has handled it poorly." You mean the FEMA that had it's budget destroyed by Bush and his admin or the money cut from the levee project back in 2003?  Hell, some of the engineers stayed on for free knowing how important the project was.  Bush also appointed the head of FEMA who was fired from his last job due to mismanagement.  Good appointment again.  They were trying to privatize FEMA as well.  Fuck Bush!

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HBox

09-02-2005, 05:55 PM

I've really had enough of everybody telling
everyone how great of a job their doing. No one did a good job thus
far. That goes for just about everyone involved in this. The mayor at
least wasn't doing this but he's just as damn guilty as anyone. Once
everything settles down he needs to explain why there was no way for so
many people to evacuate. Everyone elses failing are pretty obvious. All
I know is that there better be firings this time. If I see medals
handed out to people after all this...... I don't know. I really just
don't know. I'm so angry right now, I don't know if I can get any
angrier, but that might do it. 

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Snoogans

09-02-2005, 06:27 PM

2 things that made me very angry at work today watchin the coverage.1-
YOU ALREADY FLEW OVER YA FUCK. Now you are wasting more of a resource
THAT WE ARE SHORT ON to do what, look at things AGAIN. what the fuck is
he gonna do that hasnt already been done just by looking at things.2-
im getting a little sick of the 3 day old videos of people stranded and
not being helped. We KNOW the government is fucking up, you dont have
to try to prove it by lying to us, in a way, about the situation,
causin people to get even more upset 

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SatCam

09-02-2005, 06:42 PM

write a nasty letter or something.  news outlets are not going to change the way they report news when big sums of money are to be made

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curtoid

09-02-2005, 06:45 PM

Huge mistake putting FEMA under "Homeland Security" where it was prone to be plundered. And it's not like there weren't saying that it wasn't a mistake at the time! ~ THIS falls right at Bush's feet. Even neo-cons like Charles Krauthammer, who has suckled at Bush's teet from day one on pretty much everything, is coming out laying much of the blame with FEMA on the President.<div> </div><div>   <img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v64/curtoid/surf.jpg" border="0" /></div>

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HBox

09-02-2005, 06:46 PM

I don't have much of a problem with how the news is
covering this. I mean, for once, they are calling officials out on
their bullshit and demanding action. They are doing what they are
supposed to for a change. 

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Snoogans

09-02-2005, 06:47 PM

i understand that, it just pisses me off. First of all, stupid people
will see this and think it's still going on now, leading to even more
insanity. Also, I just can't get passed how it could be so fake. These
people can't even believe the shit they are talking about, so it really
makes you wonder who the hell could sensationalize something like this
over and over for the sake of money that they wont even see. 

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Snoogans

09-02-2005, 06:50 PM

I
don't have much of a problem with how the news is covering this. I
mean, for once, they are calling officials out on their bullshit and
demanding action. They are doing what they are supposed to for a change. its not so much what they are talking about. its some of the ways they've gone about it. i dont know, i just see phoniness 

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HBox

09-02-2005, 06:56 PM

I don't see it as a ratings ploy or anything. I may
be wrong, but it seems to me they've cut back on commercial loads all
week. I mean, can they sensationalize this any more than what it is? Is
it even possible? 

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Snoogans

09-02-2005, 07:08 PM

yea, by reshowing old footage that is worse then the footage they are gettin now, oh wait, they are doing that 

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Snoogans

09-02-2005, 07:09 PM

id also like to point out that this is based primarily on MSNBC cause thats what was on at work all day 

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HBox

09-02-2005, 07:14 PM

[color=navy]So are they supposed to show only live or that
day's footage? They are showing plenty of current events. I saw the
National guard convoy riding in countless times today. Of course they
will show the most sensational events. How many times did they the
towers falling or the palnes slamming into them the week of 9/11? Not a
direct comparison, but they will show the most significant footage over
and over. Because it's still the most newsworthy. 

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Snoogans

09-02-2005, 07:19 PM

RAMOOOOOOONE, Bring me better news coverage 

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bobrobot

09-02-2005, 07:24 PM

Has anyone anywhere suggested the idea that people could "adopt" a person or family who has been made homeless & destitute by the flood?

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HBox

09-02-2005, 07:24 PM

I can't counter that, I won't even try. Well played, sir. 

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09-02-2005, 07:25 PM

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SatCam

09-02-2005, 07:41 PM

It appears people on Nightline are bitching about race saying that everyone who is stranded is black.  This just in: New Orleans is 67.25% African American and 28.05% White.  What are the chances that 2/3s of the population end up in a shelter..??

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Duke

09-02-2005, 07:42 PM

this is basically our eqivlant to the tsunami....i dont rember hearing
about looting in those countries...it seems the tsunami was much more
oganzied then this was.... 

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HBox

09-02-2005, 07:44 PM

I think the point is more that if that if a
majority of the population was white that federal assitance would have
been a bigger priority and fot there sooner. Not that I neccessarily
agree. 

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HBox

09-02-2005, 07:45 PM

this is basically our eqivlant to the tsunami....i dont rember hearing
about looting in those countries...it seems the tsunami was much more
oganzied then this was....There
wasn't much to loot there before the tsunami,a dn anything that was
there was swept away. There was pretty much
nothingleft. 

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bobrobot

09-02-2005, 07:52 PM

quote: It appears people on Nightline are bitching about race saying that everyone who is stranded is black.  This just in: New Orleans is 67.25% African American and 28.05% White.  What are the chances that 2/3s of the population end up in a shelter..?? This just in... The United States is founded on RACISM, and if it wasn't, Sly & the Family Stone would be right up there on Mt. Rushmore w/ those other cracker motherfuckers!!!<img title="Sly" height="285" alt="Sly" src="http://www.britannica.com/psychedelic/images/opsyroc052p4.jpg" width="193" border="0" /> 

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Tenbatsuzen

09-02-2005, 07:53 PM

An interesting point brought up on FARK:Mayor Nagin and the governors are in deep shiat. Emergency response plans and disaster relief are planned at the local and county (sometimes state) level. This is where FEMA and other federal agencies start off, basing their response and help on the existing state and local plans. The feds do not plan evacuations (except on multiple state levels) and do not release aid until asked for by the state governors. Bush has done all he can and has done more than was required by declaring the area a disaster BEFORE the hurricane hit. Other than that, it isn't up to him to do anything since it is in FEMA's and the other state agency's hands. All the lack of planning and early lack of response for help can be put SQUARELY on the mayor and governor. Just sayin'.

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Duke

09-02-2005, 07:54 PM

still i heard there was killing and raping on CNN....the tsunami
victims didnt do that....they also showed clips of New Orleans at night
after Katrina....it looked more like Iraq with the shooting... well
bush...u got your own iraq to deal with now...oh wait no you dont care,
you'd rather deal with problems  that are over seas... 

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spoon

09-02-2005, 08:06 PM

First of all, stupid people will see this and think it's still going on now, leading to even more insanity. Chicken or the egg man?!

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09-02-2005, 08:09 PM

An interesting point brought up on FARK:
quote:Mayor
Nagin and the governors are in deep shiat. Emergency response plans and
disaster relief are planned at the local and county (sometimes state)
level. This is where FEMA and other federal agencies start off, basing
their response and help on the existing state and local plans. The feds
do not plan evacuations (except on multiple state levels) and do not
release aid until asked for by the state governors. Bush has done all
he can and has done more than was required by declaring the area a
disaster BEFORE the hurricane hit. Other than that, it isn't up to him
to do anything since it is in FEMA's and the other state agency's
hands. All the lack of planning and early lack of response for help can
be put SQUARELY on the mayor and governor.
 
Just sayin'.
There is nothing that can explain away the lack
of communication on all levels. When Bush goes on TV and says "No one
could anticpate the levees would be breached" that's a fucking problem.
When the head of FEMA doesn't find out about thousands of refugees at
the convention center until CNN tells him even though it been reported
for days before that it a MAJOR fucking problem. When the National
Guard doesn't get there in force until TODAY that's a fucking problem.
Blame falls on everyone on all levels. No one escapes. And no one
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09-02-2005, 08:11 PM

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TheMojoPin

09-02-2005, 08:40 PM

quote:  quote: this is basically our eqivlant to the tsunami....i dont rember hearing about looting in those countries...it seems the tsunami was much more oganzied then this was....  There wasn't much to loot there before the tsunami,a dn anything that was there was swept away. There was pretty much nothingleft. <img src="http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/9434/sig3wm.jpg" border="0" /> Let's be honest here, too; the scope of the devastation in the wake of tsunami dwarfs ANYTHING that happens or has happened because of Katrina.  That was almost beyond human comprehension what happened and how many people were killed.  Entire villages and towns were essentially completely wiped out.  Despite what the news will have you believe, the bulk of the populations hit by the hurricaine survived, as did most of the property, in the sense of possible rebuilding and salvaging.  Yes, there's an ungodly amount of damage, but the tsunami was literally wiping places off the Earth.  Had the casuality rates been even close precentage wise to what was caused by the tsunami, taking potshots at helicopters and looting for some jewelry would have been the last thing on anyone's mind. Let's be honest here, too; the scope of the devastation in the wake of tsunami dwarfs ANYTHING that happens or has happened because of Katrina.  That was almost beyond human comprehension what happened and how many people were killed.  Entire villages and towns were essentially completely wiped out.  Despite what the news will have you believe, the bulk of the populations hit by the hurricaine survived, as did most of the property, in the sense of possible rebuilding and salvaging.  Yes, there's an ungodly amount of damage, but the tsunami was literally wiping places off the Earth.  Had the casuality rates been even close precentage wise to what was caused by the tsunami, taking potshots at helicopters and looting for some jewelry would have been the last thing on anyone's mind.

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09-02-2005, 08:44 PM

???? Is that a double post within a post?

ozzie

09-02-2005, 09:03 PM

From: <a href="http://www.crooksandliars.com/2005/09/02.html">http://www.crooksandliars.com/2005/09/02.html</a>quote: Horror Show Shepard Smith and Geraldo Rivera were livid about the situation in NO as they appeared on H&C. When Hannity tried his usual spin job and said "let's get this in perspective," Smith chopped him off at the knees and started yelling at him saying, "This is perspective!" It was shocking. Geraldo who I'm no fan of was crying, holding a little child up to demonstrate the extremely inhumane conditions these people are forced to live under. Forced is the right word because they are locked in the dome by our government and can't leave. Troops are guarding the bridge.<a href="http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2005_08_28_digbysblog_archive.html#112571033355120 776">Digby</a> has more:  This was some amazing TV. Kudos to Shep Smith and Geraldo for not letting O'Reilly and Hannity spin their GOP "resolve" apologia bullshit. I'm fairly shocked....<a href="http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2005_08_28_digbysblog_archive.html#112571033355120 776">read on</a><a href="http://movies.crooksandliars.com/Hannity-Colmes-Smith-Rivera-freak-in-NO.wmv" target="_blank">VIDEO</a>(This may take you to the <a href="http://www.crooksandliars.com/">www.crooksandliars.com</a> home page and not straight to the video.  If it's not still on this page, try to copy and past this link into your browser window:  <a href="http://movies.crooksandliars.com/Hannity-Colmes-Smith-Rivera-freak-in-NO.wmv">http://movies.crooksandliars.com/Hannity-Colmes-Smith-Rivera-freak-in-NO.wmv</a>)You know, I was just telling someone today that "I believe after day 2 I would have realized that the water was not going to receed anytime soon, and look around at how many people there were in need, and just said 'fuck this' and started walking TO the help instead of sitting around waiting for it to try to get to me and my family..."I had no idea that they were NOT allowing people to walk out of the area.  This explains a lot, although makes absolutely NO FUCKING SENSE!  How the FUCK are we allowing them to force these people to stay there in these conditions?Now, with the knowledge of this, I understand more why there might be attacks on the guard and police down there if they're fighting for the right to walk out of this cesspool for God's sake.A fucking "CHECK POINT" holding people in, blocking their only way out?  This changes my whole perspective on this situation.SOMEONE made this decision, and someone is going to have to explain it and answer for it, to the country, and to the families of anyone who dies in this septic tank because they were not allowed to walk out of it. <img src="http://www.stadiumpanoramics.com/images/college/auburn_end_zone.jpg" width="300" border="0" /> ...aaaaaand scene.

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Dirtybird12

09-02-2005, 09:10 PM

Look at the bright side folks. Iraq is liberated - <img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/furious.gif" border="0" />  

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Snoogans

09-02-2005, 09:17 PM

so then wont Iraq get hit by a hurricane, cause hurricanes hate freedom 

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spoon

09-02-2005, 09:17 PM

I'll keep the "look on the bright side" trend and remind everyone that the new bankruptcy bill is about to kick in.  Nice timing.  Thank god they took care of this, you know, with all the public outcry and all.  <img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/wallbash.gif" border="0" />

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spoon

09-02-2005, 09:21 PM

I'll give you another one.  The fact that the RNC did find time this week to send out emails and were out there promoting and instructing their base to contact their senators and congressional leaders to suppord the end of the estate tax.  Priorities baby.  This has got to help the "refugees" of LA! 

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Dirtybird12

09-02-2005, 09:22 PM

quote: SOMEONE made this decision, and someone is going to have to explain it and answer for it, to the country, and to the families of anyone who dies in this septic tank because they were not allowed to walk out of it.  Kathleen Blanco would be first on the list. They should drag that cunt out of her bed & feed her to the victims / government hostages.<img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/furious.gif" border="0" />Side note - if someone cut that shit off Aaron Nevilles eye and boiled it , it could feed 10 -12 easily. great voice tho. As is his face wasn't disturbing enough, it looks like he has a tat of a cross on his cheek. Nice diversion...plz buy a patch <a href="http://www.live365.com/stations/ufo_radio?play/"><img src="http://www.thecosmiccircus.com/sigpics/headline.jpg" border="0" /></a> You’ll sell it to your children, you’ll sell it to your wife. Buying is your business, and selling is your life,

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HBox

09-02-2005, 09:28 PM

Goddamit, I almost starting crying during that
video. The exasperation of Smith and Geraldo and the realities of the
situation contrasted with Hannity's desparate resilience in covering
Republican ass. It's telling. Most of the people flipping out are the
people on the ground. The reality is the reality and it's hitting these
people square in the face and it's stripping ideology and partisan
connections right off. I don't understand why anybody is trying to
cover ass for anybody. As far party lines go, there's plenty of blame
to go around on both sides. The evacuation pre-hurricane was a failure
that lies straight upon the mayor and local government, Democratic. The
Democratic governor has looked like a fucking deer in the headlights
all week. The Democratic senator has been eating up airtime sucking
everyone's dick because they are doing such a great job. I have more
respect for David Vitter, Republican Senator, who hasn't been hogging
the airways for face time and who I've heard call the federal response
horrible. We've done plenty of FEMA and Bush bashing already.All
we can do is donate money and light a fire under these people's asses
for now. I could never with good conscience vote for any of these
people again if I had to. This is an absolute travesty. 


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PapaBear

09-02-2005, 09:28 PM

quote: 
Has anyone anywhere suggested the idea that people could "adopt" a
person or family who has been made homeless & destitute by the
flood?

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09-02-2005, 09:30 PM

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HBox

09-02-2005, 09:34 PM

It's too late. 

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09-02-2005, 10:46 PM

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Heavy

09-03-2005, 01:32 AM

still i heard there was killing and raping on CNN....the tsunami victims didnt do thatWell they were dead.  But seriously, I heard all about child abduction and rape in them countries.  Actually heard about guys making trips down there and just stealing kids from the childrens hospital to sell as sex slaves.

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Bulldogcakes

09-03-2005, 05:12 AM

quote: 
 quote: BTW-Let me sum up this entire thread "Bush fucked this up completely" "Nobody's blaming Bush" Once
more...nobody is blaming Bush for for what happened. What he IS being
criticized about is his response (or lack thereof) AFTERWARDS. How hard
is this to grasp? As
compared to what? There's one road to get in the town. The rails are
destroyed. The entire town is submerged. Helicopters can only do so
much, which is very little. No other hurricane compares to this one,
it's level of damage is unprecedented. The fact that it took a few days
to get the mind numbing logistics involved here together doesn't
surprise me at all.  When in US history (SF earthquake?) has
anything happened like this? An entire city has been shut down, and its
residents dispersed. This is the "Doomsday scenario" playing out. And
most of us shrug that stuff off as being highly unlikely. I'd expect a
more prompt response if this was a more regular event like what happens
to Fla every other year. Then a delay would be unacceptable. But in a
unique situation such as this? All bets are off. Plus throw in the fact
a war is going on, and troops that might otherwise be available aren't.
 


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Bulldogcakes

09-03-2005, 05:32 AM

Damage
estimates hit 100 billion (http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/03/business/03insure.html?ei=5090&en=24acf0eb9f78dda3&ex=12834 00000&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss&pagewanted=print ) For a city w/500,000
residents, thats $200,000 a head. Only a quarter of which is covered by
insuance. Dont be surprised by what Dennis Hastert said the other day
(Though his timing was awful) And dont be surprised if all the money
doesn't materialize, like it didn't for us here in NYC. And dont be
surprised if alot of folks who were living in public housing get moved
to surrounding areas. 


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curtoid

09-03-2005, 05:41 AM

<blockquote style="">quote:Goddamit, I almost starting crying during that
video. The exasperation of Smith and Geraldo and the realities of the
situation contrasted with Hannity's desparate resilience in covering
Republican ass[/quote] I caught a little of the back and forth between Smith, who was there on the ground, and Bill O'Reilly, from the studio, and it was very stark. Smith seemed almost hopeless, and as Bill was attempting to spin it, Shephard said, "Bill - you're not here." ~ There seem to be almost no positive stories of heroism or survival that is coming out of this. I'm sure some will, but in a nut shell this horror has exposed the ugliest side of the human condition. With 9/11, you could at least be grateful for the 20,000 + that survived and got out of the buildings and the heros that layed down their lives to get people out. The tsunami did have the stories of the predators going after the parentless children, but that devestation was so enormous that anyone who survived seemed touched by the pinky-finger of God. With this, it's coming down the American class system - to race - poverty - greed - corruption - stubborness.

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Yerdaddy

09-03-2005, 06:26 AM

Plus throw in the fact a war is going on, and troops that might otherwise be available aren't. But don't forget to also add that to the "costs of the war" column.

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42nd-delay

09-03-2005, 07:47 AM

When in
US history (SF earthquake?) has anything happened like this? An entire
city has been shut down, and its residents dispersed. This is the
"Doomsday scenario" playing out. And most of us shrug that stuff off as
being highly unlikely. I'd expect a more prompt response if this was a
more regular event like what happens to Fla every other year. Then a
delay would be unacceptable. But in a unique situation such as this?
All bets are off. Plus throw in the fact a war is going on, and troops
that might otherwise be available aren't. I
think the problem people have with the response from Bush and company
is two-fold. For one, it seems like they didn't take it seriously even
after it became obvious to everyone else that NO was in big trouble.
The President's reaction just seemed inappropriate, and the rest of the
major players stayed on vacation. This was a major catastrophe - it
should be a all-hands-on-deck type of situation. 
The second problem is that this event has demonstrated how
unprepared we STILL are for a major attack. Imagine if a terrorist had
blown up a levee - it would have been much worse. For a President who
has built his presidency around protecting this country from terrorism,
the response was pitiful. Bush still seems woefully over his head when
it comes to this stuff, and his lack of awareness seems to be extending
to those in his administration. The DHS was congratulating itself
already while chaos reigned in the city. The FEMA head didn't even know
about the thousands of people fighting for their life in the convention
center. 
We saw all hell breaking lose down there and it seemed like nothing was happening for days... 

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42nd-delay

09-03-2005, 07:50 AM

And if you don't believe me about the disconnect, read <a href="http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/09/02/katrina.response/index.html">this</a> 

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SatCam

09-03-2005, 08:51 AM

With this, it's coming down the American class system - to race - poverty - greed - corruption - stubbornessI can't fucking believe that this had to be our wake-up call.  I am not trying to be selfish when saying that I can be happy that we - those of us posting - are not sitting in the superdome right now, rather sitting in a comfortable home where we can eat breakfast lunch and dinner.  I would never wish this on anyone and I fucking hate that people are playing the blame game instead of actually doing shit.im just frustrated right now...(btw, this is not targeted at anyone in this thread, just those in charge who should've been doing shit.  I pay taxes, don't I?  I forgot that the money ($286.4 bil) is going towards highways on which we can't drive because gas costs $3/gal...)

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curtoid

09-03-2005, 09:03 AM

I agree - I just hope that this really is a wake up call. There are refugees in America, and people are still quibbling about inconveniences in their lives? 600K jobs lost in one week? Patients and doctors have been trapped in hospitals with flooded morgues - children without food, formula or diapers - people forced to walk in water in sweltering sun, their skin turning wrinkled and cracked - people forced into a shelter that was bad as any war zone - a major American city destroyed, crippling the supply of oil. I hate the phrase "wrap my head/brain around" because it gets tossed around too much, but this is pretty close. ~ I know that DC is going to house some of those displaced. Since I'm not at a situation now that I could give money, I'm going to see if there is something I can do with that. If anyone has any links to stuff like that, please pass it along. 

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HBox

09-03-2005, 09:04 AM

It was known for a very long time this could
happen. For there to be so little pre-planning done and such a sluggish
response is mind-blowing. There are no excuses. 

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spoon

09-03-2005, 11:29 AM

~ There seem to be almost no positive stories of heroism or survival that is coming out of this. I'm sure some will, but in a nut shell this horror has exposed the ugliest side of the human condition. I'll give you one, hopefully someone can link the story.  The young guy who saw the keys for the school buses in NO and found one of the buses that worked.  He then proceeded to pick up stranded people throughout and on his way out of the city while listening to the radio for ideas of where to go.  Next the school bus packed with about 80 people pooled money for gas and drove to the Astrodome once they heard they were opening their doors.  When they arrived they were initially turned away and some said the driver, young man was almost arrested for stealing a fucking car!  What a fucking joke huh?  I guess Hannity was right about this scumbag looter!  I guess he should have stayed down there and suffered like the rest.  How dare he help others while all forms of our government sat reading "My Pet Goat".  I bet this kid would have done a better job then Bush.  Oh wait, that's not fair since Bush is a moron, and in a special class all his own.  And where's Dick?  Condi finally got back from NY after being ripped apart by ordinary citizens the whole time.  I guess she felt it might be time to get back to work huh?

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The Jays

09-03-2005, 12:46 PM

While humans beings were dying on the street, guns being shot at
transports, food sitting in cargo bays because the President had to
make a mock showing of him viewing the damage, most of us in America
remain glued to tv sets, or surfing the web, getting as much data about
the situation from real point of views. 

The blog is peaking
still, as the US gets the first hand accounts of people in America
struggling with the ineptitude of the government.

The neo-cons
have no answer for this. They blame the black people and the poor for
being too dumb to escape, and being too black to comprehend peaceful
co-existance. They call them in New Orleans “animals”.

What is
wrong with our country? Why do senators and former presidents feel the
need to pat each other on the back, and take verbal handjobs from the
female senator of Lousiana, Mary Landrieu? Why do why need media people
to lash back at them and say “HEY. SHUT THE FUCK UP AND DO SOMETHING,
YOU FUCKING CUNT!”

That’s right. You heard it hear first. Mary Landrieu is a fucking cunt.

I don’t use the cunt word often, since cunt is a really, really horrible word. 

Cunt.

Just saying it, go ahead, say it out loud. 

Cunt.

Doesn’t it feel so wrong?

Imagine,
now, the disgust, and feeling of anger that must be rushing through the
blood in order to make such a word vocal, and load.

CUNT!

We are divided in this country, between country and cuntry. 

The country is made up of hard working real Americans, who known what’s best for themselves and for others.

The
cuntry is the established gentry of our federal , state, and city
governments, who regulat our lives so much that we cannot handle the
beauracracy it takes to get shit done.

FEMA seems to think
that, just because it was able to show up just at the same moment that
REAL countrymen were pulling up steel trusses and dousing fires on
9/11, that they somehow know how to deal with tragic emergency.

They can’t, and they dont. FEMA is a bunch of cunts.

Georgre
Bush is more focused on his vacation time and figuring out Iraq that
he, THE EXECUTIVE BRNACH OF GOVERNMENT, couyldn’t get this shit
together on time, on time being 5 fucking days ago. 

We can
get fucking oil pipelines back up and running amidst gunfire and
sabotage within days, yet we can’t figure out how to get emergency oil
construction going on in the Gulf?

George Bush is a fucking cunt. 

You sucked at being the owner of the Rangers, and now you suck at being the owner of all our oil. 

Your
fucking Vice President is head of the biggest oil construction company
in the fucking US! You couldn’t have him roll some heads at 5am, YOU
FUCKING CUNT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Senator Hilary Clinton, cunt. Investigations into price gouging does not stop the fact that we don’t have the oil.

Senator Chuck Schumer, cunt. No one cares right now that New York got attacked on 9/11, so stop bringing it up.

Compared
to the scale of failure that is now The Battle for New Orleans, where a
thriving city a week ago was turned into Basra, the failures of 9/11
seem like a paper jam on the office copier.

That’s how bad it
is. I can see it live on camera. Buildings are burning that should not
be burning, a week after the storm hit. There is no housing in place.
The corporations don’t give a shit. No one seems to give a shit. 

You
know, sometimes, there’s a reason people shot guns, why people become
mobs. It’s not because New Orleans is a statistically high crime ridden
city. It’s because people let it happen. When no one has the balls to
take responsibility, then no one is willing to recognize the truth, and
that’s why the

Ndugu

09-03-2005, 12:55 PM

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09-03-2005, 01:05 PM

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Bulldogcakes

09-03-2005, 01:20 PM

<a target="blank" href="http://apnews.myway.com/article/20050903/D8CCT8AG0.html">Finally some good news</a><img width="200" height="133" border="0" src="http://ak.imgfarm.com/images/ap/thumbnails//HURRICANE_KATRINA.sff_NY213_20050902154147.jpg" />  quote: 

NEW
ORLEANS (AP) - Planes, trains and buses delivered refugees to safety on
Saturday as the evacuation of this ruined city finally appeared to pick
up steam.

Buses had
evacuated most people from the frightening confines of the Superdome by
early morning. At the equally squalid convention center, thousands of
people began pushing and dragging their belongings up the street to
more than a dozen air-conditioned buses, the mood more numb than
jubilant.
   
A few days later than we'd all like, but they're finally getting
folks outta there. I hope somebody learns something from this, but I
doubt it. It is the Federal Govt were talking about. The ones who
approved Muhammed Atta's visa after 9/11 and have yet to correct the
intelligence failures that led to 9/11. Or find Bin Laden. 
I guess thats the root of my not being surprised by any of this.
Unlike my friends on the left I dont think they're all powerful and can
solve all the worlds problems. Just the opposite. Governments tend to do most
of what they do badly, and always expensively. If they turned this
whole operation over to the Red Cross on day 1, I'd bet those folks
would've been taken care of much sooner. And
what will be done to correct this from happening again? I'd guess Fema
will have its budget doubled. So they can do the next crisis equally
badly, but spend 2x as much next time.   

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HBox

09-03-2005, 01:22 PM

[color=navy]Something that particularly pissed me off was one
of Bush's photo ops at a Coast Guard station. Him and a bunch of other
politicians I can't remember were stadning there holding a little mini
press conference and behind him were a bunch of helicopters not
rescuing, not doing anything but sitting there to make a good photo op.
And around all of the helicopters were members of the coast guard
standing at attention to make a good photo op, not preparing and
loading helicopters, just standing there. Fuck him and everyone there
who allowed that to happen. 

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Ndugu

09-03-2005, 01:36 PM

i only saw the one helicopter, i think it was a dauphin, and it looked like it was being worked on

The Jays

09-03-2005, 01:36 PM

Yo, can we set something up here on ronfez.net?  I mean, we put it
up for the tsunami, but, how bout now?  No Red Cross donations? 

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spoon

09-03-2005, 01:39 PM

BC, it's not the Red Cross's job to lead and take charge.  They do what is asked of them and do a very good job.  They would have no authority and just how should they take care of the violence?  Call in the Salvation Army?  This is the government's job, FEMA's job, but it funding has been stripped and looted under the Homeland Security inclusion.  Their head is a fucking wank who mismanaged his last job so bad he was let go!  Let's pat him on the back once more for a job well fucked up, and Bush for yet another great appointment.  It was under Bush where we were supposed to have made gains in these areas.  Yet in 1972, Agnes ripped through areas all across this nation and we responded much better.  I know, my father helped with FEMA at the time as a civilian.  This is the result of privatizing everything.  Some things need to be under the reins of the government, with fucking funding.  The neo-cons cut funding to all the things we need, or that help the poor/middle class, while lowering taxes for the rich.  I could go deeper, but you get where I'm coming from.  Hell, PA got hit with tons of floods back under Clinton and he ended up there during the flooding and as it happened.  The SS and he made my aunt's house (or what was left of it) his base and he DID actually help filling sandbags and stayed right in the bad areas for days.  I guess he's not on GWT, formally known as CPT.  My Pet Goat 2!

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09-03-2005, 01:44 PM

Um, I was just asking if we could set up a donation thingy here on ronfez.net. 

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jafter

09-03-2005, 01:52 PM

Curtiod  you were asking about what you can do for people from NO who are coming to the DC armory.  I contacted NBC4 and they said that there is a drop off at 1st district Headquarters on 415 4th SW.   When I called the city there was a message saying that they are only excepting cash at this time. It is hard when you don't have the extra cash right now and you want to do something.   I know that these people could use clothes, shoes, (shower shoes), toiletries, something that then can say is theirs.I still think the government should open some of the old military bases and start creating new communities.  Give them a place to live see if we can find jobs for these people so the can get their lives back on track.  We need to stop the blame game and help these people.  There will be plenty of time for blame and and constructive critism about how to avoid these tragedies in the future.  If this was a terrorist attack we would be fucked.  We had warning and we screwed the pooch on this one on every level.  The only people who did not screw up were the people who were able to evacuate.  The whole country needs to take this as a warning that we all need to prepare for disasters where ever we live.  Have food and water in your home.  Have a plan for you and your family to evacuate your home, town, state.   Most of us live in target areas NY and DC.  It comes down to common sense and planning.

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HBox

09-03-2005, 02:06 PM

<img width="320" height="240" border="0" src="http://thinkprogress.org/wp-images/upload/red_helicopter2.jpg" />i only saw the one helicopter, i think it was a dauphin, and it looked like it was being worked onThat must have been something else. 

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SatCam

09-03-2005, 02:06 PM

It is hard when you don't have the extra cash right now and you want to do something.   I know that these people could use clothes, shoes, (shower shoes), toiletries, something that then can say is theirs.I think its better that you not go out and buy stuff, rather just give money.  People like the Red Cross can obviously get much more for your dollar than you can yourself, but point taken if you already have this stuff to give away.Google Maps (http://maps.google.com) now have satellite photos from Aug. 30 for the NO.  I think someone in this thread needed satellite photos (these only cover NO, though... no Mississippi I don't think).  You can search for the location and a red "Katrina" button will appear next to Map/Satellite/Hybrid buttons.

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HBox

09-03-2005, 02:08 PM

<a href="http://www.redcross.org/faq/0,1096,0_682_4524,00.html#4524" target="_blank">The Red Cross isn't even allowed in New Orleans at the moment.</a> 

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spoon

09-03-2005, 02:16 PM

Nice find H, but the coast guard was really the only one on-site immediately.  They didn't have many resources though as they aren't prepared for disaster relief of this size.  They're the fucking coast guard, search and rescue, control our coastal borders.  However, they were the only ones out there the first few days picking people off of roofs and trying to control things with very limited manpower.  The NO cops have been fucking digusting and should really take heat too.

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09-03-2005, 02:17 PM

<blockquote style="">quote:<img width="320" height="240" border="0" src="http://thinkprogress.org/wp-images/upload/red_helicopter2.jpg" /> <blockquote style="">quote:i only saw the one helicopter, i think it was a dauphin, and it looked like it was being worked on[/quote] That must have been something else. <div> </div><div>I've really tried not to fall into the easy trap of just zeroing in on Bush during all of this, but when that son of a bitch, at5 this press conference, started comparing Trent Lott's loss to what happened in NO - when he started joking about one day being back on Trent's front porch, I just felt completely sickened. THIS IS THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNTIED STATES?! Offering compassion and understanding to Trent Lott during HIS time of need? How about we find out the name of the woman whose body has been in a wheel chair all week outside of the Super Dome and find out her story! Someone lives their entire life, beats the odds and survives poverty and time, and then is left to die at the Super Dome, and disgarded. AND WE CARE ABOUT TRENT "STROM THURMAND WAS RIGHT" LOTT? God fucking save us.</div>[/quote]<div> </div>

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09-03-2005, 02:17 PM

quote: i only saw the one helicopter, i think it was a dauphin, and it looked like it was being worked onYeah, they were in one of the Coast Guard hangars over in the Brookley Complex in Mobile, across the road from where I work.  The others there were the Governor of Alabama Bob Riley, Mississippi Governor Haley Barbour, FEMA chief Michael Brown, Homeland Security head Michael Chertoff, Coast Guard officials and other leaders of the disaster response effort<img src="http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/rids/20050903/i/r666230411.jpg?x=380&y=278&sig=sE0KcSNUDKCIARmh.zPxTQ--" border="0" />I know that everyone is pissed off and watching the coverage of what is happening in New Orleans, but DON'T FORGET that while it is a huge tragedy what is happening over there with the flooding after the levee broke, the WORST and the majority of the Hurricane Damage happened to the East of that city, and the Mississippi Gulf Coast is completely devistated.Yes, a lot of people in New Orleans will be displaced or possibly lose their homes because of the flood waters, but for miles and miles inland on the Mississippi Coast and Southern Mobile County in Alabama, there are places that were completely leveled by the storm surge and winds.We've watched the coast guard working their asses off over here.  There are still non-stop search and rescue operations going on.  Yesterday, we were cautioned that if we drove a pick-up truck, not to drive in the State of Mississippi because the National Guard and local authorities had begun commandeering trucks to begin hauling corpses out of the area.  (Although I have not found confirmation anywhere)Trust me, I'm as frustrated as anyone else with what is happening in New Orleans, but for they are NOT the only ones that need help right now.

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HBox

09-03-2005, 02:23 PM

Well, my link provides the best reason why the Red Cross can't handle this on its own:The Red Cross does not conduct search and rescue operations. We are an
organization of civilian volunteers and cannot get relief aid into any
location until the local authorities say it is safe and provide us with
security and access.I
do not believe either that the government always does everything badly
nor do they have an answer for anything. Either view is asinine. There
are places where the government is in the best position to do certain
things, and some places where they are best to keep their hands off. We
have seen examples of each throughout our history. I can't remember
FEMA ever fucking up this badly. They've done a fine job as far as I
can remember. (I don't remember Andrew) When everything settles down we
need to take a good look at how FEMA has changed lately and how that
affected this. 


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SatCam

09-03-2005, 02:27 PM

The NO cops have been fucking digusting and should really take heat too.The NO cops live and have families in NO.  They're lives are just as bad or worse than the people they are trying to take care of.  They have acted irresponsibly, but im sure when they're off duty, they have no place to go as much of the population does there.

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Ndugu

09-03-2005, 02:28 PM

why dont you remember andrew?

HBox

09-03-2005, 02:30 PM

I was in elementary school at the time and like all
dumbass kids I paid little attention to the news. All I remember is
adults telling me it was awful. 

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Dirtybird12

09-03-2005, 03:02 PM

quote: there is a drop off at 1st district Headquarters on 415 4th SW.     I was booked & detained there on Fezzies Birthday.  If ya feel like driving out to Winchester, they are looking for 600 people to hire for help. I start over there on Tues. Rex Maghan, regional vice president for Augmentation Inc., said the company was awarded a contract by the Federal Emergency Management Agency to hire more than 600 people for call center positions at FEMA’s facility in Winchester. The workers will be the first contact for victims of Hurricane Katrina and will help put together federal assistance packages

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09-03-2005, 05:34 PM

quote:Well, my link provides the best reason why the Red Cross can't handle this on its own: 
quote:The Red Cross does not conduct search and rescue operations. We are an
organization of civilian volunteers and cannot get relief aid into any
location until the local authorities say it is safe and provide us with
security and access.
   I was referring to providing meals, giving
medical care, etc. The stuff the Red Cross is good at, which is what
was sorely lacking from FEMA's operation for the past 5 days (it feels
like 2 weeks). Obviously the Red Cross cant do everything. They cant
provide security, they cant repair the levee, etc. I should have been
more clear. 
  quote:I
do not believe either that the government always does everything badly
nor do they have an answer for anything. Either view is asinine. 
  Well
then dont be surprised when there are fuck ups, especially in an
operation this large. This is something the Feds may be the only one
able to handle, however imperfectly. But that doesn't mean they cant
outsource services so they can keep their focus on what they can do
effectively.   BTW-If you think the Federal Govt ever operates efficiently, I have one word for you. Bureaucracy. 
  

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Dirtybird12

09-03-2005, 06:38 PM

celine dion just had a breakdown on larry king

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HBox

09-03-2005, 06:49 PM

Well
then dont be surprised when there are fuck ups, especially in an
operation this large. This is something the Feds may be the only one
able to handle, however imperfectly. But that doesn't mean they cant
outsource services so they can keep their focus on what they can do
effectively. 
 
 BTW-If you think the Federal Govt ever operates efficiently, I have one word for you. Bureaucracy.
There wasn't just fuckups, everything was fucked
up and there's no excuse. Yes, the government does do some things
right. They've handled every hurricane season since the year of Andrew
fine. They can do this. They have shown they can. But what has happened
here is inexcusable. People were going to die if this was handled well.
But it wasn't, and we'll never know how many people died because of it.
This was a pitiful attempt no matter what kind of agency was handling
it.
Portions of FEMA have been privatized over the last few years, anyway. 


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curtoid

09-03-2005, 07:24 PM

BTW-If you think the Federal Govt ever operates efficiently, I have one word for you. Bureaucracy.<div> <div> <div>  It can and it has before - NTSB is one example that comes to mind, when internet yahoos aren't buying into conspiracy theories. As far as this, FEMA should not have been swept into Homeland Security, where its budget was just plundered. All roads of this cluster fuck lead right back to that horrible decision. Before that it actually ran pretty well. Now the bureaucracy is so stifling the people who work there don't even understand it.  </div></div></div>

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PapaBear

09-03-2005, 08:52 PM

Peter Rosenberg did a very informative interview with a guy from the
New Orleans government tonight. I can't remember his name or position,
as I was busy driving, but I'll try to find out. He had a lot to say
about how government works down there. They have huge problems with the
funding system for schools, hospitals, and police. One thing that
struck me was that they only had 75k police for a city of that size
(pre-Katrina). The same guy will be on his show again this upcoming Tuesday, as he is stranded in the DC area for now. 

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09-03-2005, 09:33 PM

quote: quote: i only saw the one helicopter, i think it was a dauphin, and it looked like it was being worked onYeah, they were in one of the Coast Guard hangars over in the Brookley Complex in Mobile, across the road from where I work.  The others there were the Governor of Alabama Bob Riley, Mississippi Governor Haley Barbour, FEMA chief Michael Brown, Homeland Security head Michael Chertoff, Coast Guard officials and other leaders of the disaster response effort<img src="http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/rids/20050903/i/r666230411.jpg?x=380&y=278&sig=sE0KcSNUDKCIARmh.zPxTQ--" border="0" />I know that everyone is pissed off and watching the coverage of what is happening in New Orleans, but DON'T FORGET that while it is a huge tragedy what is happening over there with the flooding after the levee broke, the WORST and the majority of the Hurricane Damage happened to the East of that city, and the Mississippi Gulf Coast is completely devistated.Yes, a lot of people in New Orleans will be displaced or possibly lose their homes because of the flood waters, but for miles and miles inland on the Mississippi Coast and Southern Mobile County in Alabama, there are places that were completely leveled by the storm surge and winds.We've watched the coast guard working their asses off over here.  There are still non-stop search and rescue operations going on.  Yesterday, we were cautioned that if we drove a pick-up truck, not to drive in the State of Mississippi because the National Guard and local authorities had begun commandeering trucks to begin hauling corpses out of the area.  (Although I have not found confirmation anywhere)Trust me, I'm as frustrated as anyone else with what is happening in New Orleans, but for they are NOT the only ones that need help right now.<img src="http://www.stadiumpanoramics.com/images/college/auburn_end_zone.jpg" width="300" border="0" /> ...aaaaaand scene. One of the guys I work with is from, and has family in, MS in the areas that Ozzie mentioned.  He was able to get through to them just after the storm hit.  He was told "whatever you see on TV from New Orleans, it's worse here".  Basically his hometown and the surrounding towns have been wiped from the face of the earth.  Fortunately, his family was OK. 

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09-03-2005, 09:35 PM

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09-03-2005, 10:39 PM

PayPal has stolen the $20,000 that somethingawful.com has raised. Their
servers were taken out by the hurricane, and were raising money to help
the Red Cross, and Paypal closed the acount and stole their money. PayPal has a long history of this.  This is dispicable, and PayPal needs to be punished.   

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09-03-2005, 10:44 PM

quote:PayPal has stolen the $20,000 that somethingawful.com has raised. Their
servers were taken out by the hurricane, and were raising money to help
the Red Cross, and Paypal closed the acount and stole their money. PayPal has a long history of this. This is dispicable, and PayPal needs to be punished. 

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09-04-2005, 12:54 AM

http://www.somethingawful.com What more proof do you need? 

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Bulldogcakes

09-04-2005, 03:17 AM

New Orleans will have to be abandoned for at least nine months, and many of
its people will remain homeless for up to two years, the US government
believes.



The bleak assessment will deepen the biggest crisis faced by President
George Bush, who last week called the devastation of Hurricane Katrina a "
temporary disruption".



As the relief effort finally got under way yesterday for the tens of
thousands of people left without food, water, medicines or the rule of law
for five days, the federal official in charge of disaster recovery told
foreign diplomats that reconstruction cannot begin until next summer.

It gets betterThe death toll is likely to far exceed the numbers
killed in the 11 September attacks almost exactly four years ago. Sergeant
Nicholas Stahl of the Louisiana Office of Homeland Security and Emergency
Preparedness said that rescuers are focusing on finding an estimated 50,000
people still stranded by the flood waters and admitted "there is no
system to collect and store bodies".



Even when the bodies are recovered, experts say it will be far harder to
identify them than at the World Trade Center, because they are decomposing
rapidly in the heat.

 
So much for the Mardi gras plans next year. I wonder if this city
will recover for a decade or more. And the spirit of the town may be
lost forever. 


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09-04-2005, 07:32 AM

<a href="http://business.bostonherald.com/businessNews/view.bg?articleid=100857&format=&page=1">http://business.bostonherald.com/businessNews/view.bg?articleid=100857&format=&page=1</a>Brown pushed from last job: Horse group: FEMA chief had to be `asked to resign' By Brett Arends Saturday, September 3, 2005 - Updated: 02:01 PM EST The federal official in charge of the bungled New Orleans rescue was fired from his last private-sector job overseeing horse shows. <table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0"><tr><td height="8"></td></tr></table>     And before joining the Federal Emergency Management Agency as a deputy director in 2001, GOP activist Mike Brown had no significant experience that would have qualified him for the position. <table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0"><tr><td height="8"></td></tr></table>     The Oklahoman got the job through an old college friend who at the time was heading up FEMA. 

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09-04-2005, 07:54 AM

Have we heard any cheers from the Middle East about this?  I'm sure Allah had a hand in bringing justice to the infidels own country, right?Hell, why am I attacking them when our own wacko religious leaders are probably convinced God is punishing us for allowing homosexual marriage and turning our backs on the Lord.  That's what some of them said after 9/11.I love religion.

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09-04-2005, 08:15 AM

No muslims but I've heard some of the Christian right say God is punishing New Orleans for a being a sinful city. If that's true you know what that means: watch out Vegas and Salt Lake City!!

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09-04-2005, 01:26 PM

<a href="http://money.cnn.com/2005/09/02/news/katrina_estimates/index.htm" target="_self">Estimated 100 Billion In Damages</a><a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/latimests/20050904/ts_latimes/despitewarningswashingtonfailedtofundleveeprojects" target="_self">The Usual "Gov't Knew Of The Flooding Risk To New Orleans" for some time</a>WASHINGTON — For years, Washington had been warned that doom lurked just beyond the levees. And for years, the White House and Congress had dickered over how much money to put into shoring up century-old dikes and carrying out newer flood control projects to protect the city of New Orleans. As recently as three months ago, the alarms were sounding — and being brushed aside

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Bulldogcakes

09-04-2005, 01:50 PM

quote:<a href="http://money.cnn.com/2005/09/02/news/katrina_estimates/index.htm" target="_self">Estimated 100 Billion In Damages</a><a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/latimests/20050904/ts_latimes/despitewarningswashingtonfailedtofundleveeprojects" target="_self">The Usual "Gov't Knew Of The Flooding Risk To New Orleans" for some time</a> quote: WASHINGTON
— For years, Washington had been warned that doom lurked just beyond
the levees. And for years, the White House and Congress had dickered
over how much money to put into shoring up century-old dikes and
carrying out newer flood control projects to protect the city of New
Orleans. As recently as three months ago, the alarms were sounding — and being brushed aside 

 In their defense,
there are any number of doomsday scenarios for risks all over the
country (most of which never happen). And alot of competition for those
Federal $. Throw in the fact its a Republican administration, and N.O.
is not exactly Pat Robertson's backyard. Something like this can (and
does) happen to most administrations, because in reality you cant do
everything for everyone. Also, lets not let the New Orleans
Mayor and Governor off the hook here. When FEMA comes in, they try to
defer to and support the local officials, who were all apparently out
to lunch.
<a target="blank" href="http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/050901/480/flpc21109012015">Instead
of screaming at Bush, the Mayor could have deployed these to evacuate
the poor before the Katrina hit</a> But he didn't. But then again,
New Orleans has a history of corrupt and incompetant officials 
As far as spending 100 billion on damages, I bet the Feds dont
spend anywhere near that. As I said earlier thats $200,000 per
resident, only a quarter of which is covered by insurance. And much of
the poor lived in Government housing (built in the hurricane prone low
lying areas) It'll be way cheaper to simply find them housing
elsewhere. And from the news reports I've seen, many have no plans on
coming back anyway. Throw in the fact that insurance companies will
double their premiums after an event like this, it may not be
affordable anymore for many. 
New Orleans had a spirit thats unique in America, and in alot
of ways did not resemble the rest of the US. And thats what alot of
people loved about it. I hope they dont lose that. 

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HBox

09-04-2005, 01:58 PM

quote:In the event of a terrorist attack, natural disaster or other
large-scale emergency, the Department of Homeland Security will assume
primary responsibility on March 1st for ensuring that emergency
response professionals are prepared for any situation. This will entail
providing a coordinated, comprehensive federal response to any
large-scale crisis and mounting a swift and effective recovery effort. 
 <a href="http://www.dhs.gov/dhspublic/theme_home2.jsp" target="_self">That's what the Department of Homeland Security says.</a> 
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Bulldogcakes

09-04-2005, 03:11 PM

That doesn't contradict anything I've said. Thats a very broad,
sweeping statement. I saw Michael Chertoff say in an interview that
they defer to local authorities in situations like this. They dont walk
in and act like they're experts and the people who live there aren't.
That would be stupid, and lead to even worse outcomes. Of course, the
Feds have ultimate "jurisdiction" in situations like this, but dont
confuse that with working closely with the folks closest to the
situation, which is the smart thing to do. About
New Orleans official incompetance and corruption,
<a href="http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/343324p-292991c.html" target="blank">this
article</a> sums it up perfectly. quote:
And Louisiana is the only one of the 50 states where the state
legislature doesn't allocate money to pay for the legal defense of
indigent defendants. The Associated Press reported this year that it's
not unusual for poor people charged with crimes to stay in jail for
nine months before getting a lawyer appointed.
These government failures are not merely a matter of incompetence.
Louisiana and New Orleans have a long, well-known reputation for
corruption: as former congressman Billy Tauzin once put it, "half of
Louisiana is under water and the other half is under indictment."
That's putting it mildly. Adjusted for population size, the state ranks
third in the number of elected officials convicted of crimes
(Mississippi is No. 1). Recent scandals include the conviction of 14
state judges and an FBI raid on the business and personal files of a
Louisiana congressman. 
In 1991, a notoriously corrupt Democrat named Edwin Edwards ran for
governor against Republican David Duke, a former head of the Ku Klux
Klan. Edwards, whose winning campaign included bumper stickers saying
"Elect the Crook," is currently serving a 10-year prison sentence for
taking bribes from casino owners. Duke recently completed his own
prison term for tax fraud.
The rot included the New Orleans Police Department, which in the 1990s
had the dubious distinction of being the nation's most corrupt police
force and the least effective: the city had the highest murder rate in
America. More than 50 officers were eventually convicted of crimes
including murder, rape and robbery; two are currently on Death Row And this is why it matters in this instance. 
 quote: 

The decision to subject an entire population to poverty, ignorance,
injustice and government corruption as a way of life has its ugly
moments, as the world is now seeing. New Orleans officials issued an
almost cynical evacuation order in a city where they know full well
that thousands have no car, no money for airfare or an interstate bus,
no credit cards for hotels, and therefore no way to leave town before
the deadly storm and flood arrived.

The authorities provided no transportation out of the danger zone,
apparently figuring the neglected thousands would somehow weather the
storm in their uninsured, low-lying shacks and public housing projects.
 

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Bulldogcakes

09-04-2005, 03:21 PM

Another lil nugget quote: 
Louisiana disaster plan, pg 13, para 5 , dated 01/00 

'The primary means of hurricane evacuation will be personal vehicles.
School and municipal buses, government-owned vehicles and vehicles
provided by volunteer agencies may be used to provide transportation
for individuals who lack transportation and require assistance in
evacuating'  Be nice if they executed their plan, instead of their citizens. 

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WRESTLINGFAN

09-04-2005, 03:34 PM

I read in the Daily News that Haliburton will get the contract for the cleanup/rebuilding process, this will add more to the controversy

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HBox

09-04-2005, 05:10 PM

I saw Michael Chertoff say in an interview that they defer to local authorities in situations like this.Do
you honestly believe anything that comes out of his mouth or anyone
else's mouth in this administration? This is an obvious CYA plan, that
they have executed many times before for whenever they fuck up, whether
it be post-Iraq War planning or WMDs. They are lying and saying things
that contradict excuses that other officials are saying. They are
throwing anything and everything at the wall to see if it
sticks.<a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/03/AR2005090301680_pf.html" target="_blank">Take this article for example.</a>Look
at that correction at the top. A senior Bush administration official
tried to say that Blanco still had not declared a state of emergency.
She did, two days before the the hurricane hit, and Bush did the same
the next day. Doesn't this kind of shit seem familiar?And there
are NO excuses for Chertoff and others just getting their facts wrong
and not even being aware of things that are going on and being reported
on. This kind of shit doesn't happen if they are on the ball. They
aren't, they are trying to push all the blame onto local government and
it is sick and if there waas any fucking justice in this world the
people responsible for all this CYA and the countless other times these
people have tried to duck blame they would be struck dead in their beds
tonight. It's disgusting AND I'M FUCKING SICK OF IT!!!!!!!!!!!! We have
got to the point where they have cost innocent American lives and they
are acting no different. Does anyone here have any confidence that
anyone will lose their job over this? Honestly?There is no excuse for anyone's fuck ups. The local government is just as guilty as the federal. 


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HBox

09-04-2005, 05:21 PM

<a href="http://members.shaw.ca/kyleberndt/MTP.AaronBroussardX.wmv" target="_blank">If you haven't seen this video, that's why you need to see this.</a> 

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booster11373

09-04-2005, 05:24 PM

I know now is the time for recovery and rescue, but I really hope that Bush doesnt skate by on this like pretty much everything so far i.e. 9-11 or Iraq even AfganastanIm think there might be panic in the admin when i saw the fotage of Condi Rice loading bottled water in to a pickup and Rumsfeild showing up somewhere, Im thinking Cheney made some calls to get those people out there for photo ops. LOOK WE CARE ABOUT BLACK PEOPLE.And what the hell is Rice doing out there anyway shes the Sec of State, granted her trip to NYC was ill timed but she should be point for any international responce not in the diaster zone any security for her would take away rescue resourcesbuy hey what do I know im Drunk!!

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booster11373

09-04-2005, 05:28 PM

quote: <a href="http://members.shaw.ca/kyleberndt/MTP.AaronBroussardX.wmv" target="_blank">If you haven't seen this video, that's why you need to see this.</a> I never like to hear good stuff about Walmart but He makes good points, The last min of that is heartbreaking

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booster11373

09-04-2005, 05:33 PM

This dumb bastard is going to skate by on this I know it.Poll: Bush Not Taking Brunt of Katrina CriticismHurricane Preparedness Is Faulted; Fewer Blame Bush for Problems Sept. 4, 2005 — Americans are broadly critical of government preparedness in the Hurricane Katrina disaster — but far fewer take George W. Bush personally to task for the problems, and public anger about the response is less widespread than some critics would suggest.<a href="http://abcnews.go.com/US/HurricaneKatrina/story?id=1094262&page=1" target="_self">http://abcnews.go.com/US/HurricaneKatrina/story?id=1094262&page=1</a>

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FUNKMAN

09-04-2005, 05:44 PM

the man's words were honest and heartfelt, no political agenda

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spoon

09-04-2005, 05:48 PM

Thanks Miss for linking the FEMA story I was talking about.  That vid was tough, I'm in the same place as Hbox with this whole thing.  I've been there since late Tuesday when I started wondering where the fuck we were?  Cafferty on CNN, not even close to a liberal, summed it up nicely to Wolf a few days back, "Embarrassing".

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booster11373

09-04-2005, 06:35 PM

This cant be true, It has to be a parody doesnt it?<a href="http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5478,16494464^1702,00.html" target="_self">http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5478,16494464%5E1702,00.html</a>articles title Sean Penn's rescue bid sinks 

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HBox

09-04-2005, 06:42 PM

Parody or not, I'm laughing. 

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Snoogans

09-04-2005, 06:45 PM

that is great. Sean Penn is an ass 

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Dudeman

09-04-2005, 06:47 PM

This article from The Times-Picayune New Orleans newspaper calls out the fedral government for one of their biggest excuses- that because there was the flooding on top of the hurricane, they couldn't get into the city. Total bullshit.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/09/04/times.picayune.editorial/index.html

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FUNKMAN

09-04-2005, 07:03 PM

that because there was the flooding on top of the hurricane, they couldn't get into the city. Total bullshit. no excuse! then how come there was a news camera and a reporter in every nook and cranny pretty much from the getgo...  well mostly following the looters aroundi saw a news reporter giving a woman some shit because she had 6 pairs of shoes.  the woman probably just lost every posession she had except the clothes on her back and some punkass reporter is giving her shit. he should've been pummeled by a few of the locals and left for dead

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Fantom33

09-04-2005, 08:09 PM

I wonder where's all the money going? I doubt that most of the $$ will actually reach the people in need.

Snoogans

09-04-2005, 10:46 PM

apparently, according to what i just saw on fox news, afghanastan
donated 500k, saudis oil cos donated a million and apparently kuwait
donated half a billion. i dont know how thats right, but if it is,
goddamn 

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Snoogans

09-04-2005, 10:53 PM

<a href="http://edition.cnn.com/2005/US/09/03/katrina.world.aid/" target="_self">http://edition.cnn.com/2005/US/09/03/katrina.world.aid/</a>
The State Department said offers of help had been received from more than 50 countries, including:
Australia,
Austria, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Bahamas, Belgium, Canada, China,
Columbia, Cuba, Dominica, Dominican Republic, Ecuador, El Salvador,
France, Germany, Guatemala, Greece, Guyana, Honduras, Hungary, Iceland,
India, Indonesia, Israel, Italy, Jamaica, Japan, Jordan, Lithuania,
Luxembourg, Mexico, the Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Paraguay,
Philippines, Portugal, South Korea, Russia, Saudi Arabia, Singapore,
Slovakia, Spain, Sri Lanka, Switzerland, Sweden, Taiwan, Thailand,
Turkey, United Kingdom, the United Arab Emirates, and Venezuela.
 
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