2005 MLB Offseason Moves Thread [Archive]

Def Dave in SC

10-20-2005, 04:58 PM

There is already a Yanks offseason thread, and an "other MLB teams"
thread, but i didnt see an offseason thread.  If its there, lock
it up. A lot has happened already:Girardi to the MarlinsMacha back to the A's Leyland to the TigersTracy to the Buccos  Frankly,
the only item here that interests me is the Jim Tracy hiring.  The
rumors are that the Pirates will increase their payroll budget by up to
20%.  I wish they would have done this maybe three or four years
ago to throw Lloyd a bone, but at this point nothing would have helped
him.  He did a lot with some pretty inexperienced teams over the
last three or four years, but he never really had a chance to succeed. Now
that the Pirates have a solid nucleus to work with and an expected
budget increase, they could make some noise next year. 
Unfortunately, theres a pretty thin FA crop this year, adn they play in
a tough division with HOU and STL, and possibly the Cubs (depending on
how long it takes them to get a new mgr.)I've heard they are going after Hank Blalock, but the Rangers (understandibly) are asking for a little too much.There
are a couple interesting possible FAs at first.  Namely Dmitri
Young, Sean Casey, and Aubrey Huff.  I doubt any of them will even
consider Pittsburgh, but I can dream, can't I?Thats enough rambling for me.  For now at least... 

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spoon

10-20-2005, 05:12 PM

If the money is right, they'll all play just about anywhere.  The Jays are in a similar position.  They have a lot a money to spend (by their standards) and also need a power hitter possibly at the usual first base spot.  It looks like they might have an in with AJ Burnett, but I'm not holding my breath yet.  It'd be great to go into 2006 with Halladay, Burnett, Towers, Chaucin and Downs as your starters.  Still, they'd need a closer as Batista didn't do bad, but it wasn't that good either.  Most of the bullpen was pretty solid, but nobody looked quite ready to jump up as the closer. 

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Def Dave in SC

10-20-2005, 05:18 PM

The Jays are in a similar situation in many respects as the
Pirates.  They have a solid group of guys, especially in the
rotation, and almost no chance in hell to compete in their respective
divisions for at least another couple of years.  I'd love to be
proven wrong, though.The latest I've heard is that the O's have
a pretty good shot at Burnett as well.  The O's need him in the
worst way possible, but going to the Jays would be a worthy cause as
well.   Until they play the O's of course.  Somehow all
those years of living in MD somehow rubbed off on me, that and the fact
that I absolutely hate the sox and yanks.  Anyway, here's to
Burnett not going to one of those teams. 


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WindowSill

10-21-2005, 03:28 PM

Dave mentioned three, are there any other big name free agents this
year? Being a Met fan I know that Wagner, Ryan, and Urbina are all free
agents... 

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10-21-2005, 03:35 PM

Leo Mazzone is leaving the Braves to join the Orioles. 

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Bulldogcakes

10-21-2005, 03:47 PM

The Red Sox did throw out the idea of a <a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=5132">Manny Ramirez</a>-<a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=6132">Carlos Beltran</a> deal in July, but it was on the weekend of the trading deadline after Ramirez had asked to be traded.

The Mets rejected the idea, and GMs Omar Minaya and Theo Epstein tried
to construct two-, three-, and four-way deals -- none of which worked.
"The ironic thing is that by the end of the weekend, Manny said he
would not go to the Mets," says Ramirez's agent Greg Genske of Legacy
Sports Group. "I know people have speculated about <a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=4875">Pedro [Martinez]</a> and his influence, but Manny does not want to be traded to the Mets." 


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Def Dave in SC

10-22-2005, 08:19 AM

As far as free agents, there are a handful of big names, including AJ
Burnett, Paul Konerko, Rafael Furcal, and a handful of others. 
www.mlb4u.com/freeagent.html has a pretty comprehensive list of every
expiring contract, and it gets updated pretty often. 

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10-22-2005, 02:08 PM

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TheMojoPin

10-24-2005, 08:08 AM

<a href="http://www.crainschicagobusiness.com/cgi-bin/news.pl?id=18226" target="_blank">Tribune Co. MIGHT be looking at selling the Cubs sometime soon.</a>I can't believe they bought the team for about $20 million back in the 80's, and it's now possibly worth $550 million.Apparently Dallas Mavericks owner Mark Cuban is very interested.  And I'd be very curious to see what a singular owner does for a team like this.  One of the biggest gripes is that the Tribune spends like they only care about the bottom line...minimum investment for maximum return, profit-wise.  For them, it's all about the tickets and the merchandise.

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Bulldogcakes

10-24-2005, 06:07 PM

That could be the best thing that could ever happen to your Cubbies,
Mojo. Because the way the Trib Co runs things, it's almost hopeless.
And it would be great to see one Baseball's most storied franchises
back on top. 

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TheMojoPin

10-24-2005, 08:18 PM

Yeah, people bash him, but I'd love to have a Steinbrenner-type owner running the Cubs.  He wouldn't stand for this Dusty Baker halfassed style of baseball for a second.In other offseason Cubs moves, these are the hot rumors flying at the moment, courtesy of the best damn Cubs blog on the web, <a href="http://www.bleedcubbieblue.com/" target="_blank">Bleed Cubbie Blue</a>:<li>The Cubs have been offered Juan Pierre in trade from the Marlins. Florida wants Corey Patterson and Rich Hill in return, and the Cubs are hesitating because they don't want to give up Hill. This is wrong thinking, in my mind. The Cubs need a leadoff man. Pierre fits the bill. Hill may become a decent major league pitcher, but in 2005 he looked overmatched. I'd do this deal.  </li><li>The #1 position player free agent on whom Jim Hendry has his sights set is... and I know this will please many of you... Brian Giles. Hummina hummina. Giles' power numbers were way down in 2005 (only 15 HR), but he did draw a huge number of walks (119) and hit 38 doubles. He'd hit way better away from Petco Park as his home field, and one thing he'd bring to the Cubs would be a hard-nosed attitude and some leadership, which the club sorely needs. Pierre in CF, Giles in RF, Matt Murton in LF? Sounds pretty good to me.  </li><li>Finally, the Cubs are looking seriously at the Orioles' B. J. Ryan as a setup man. This is a move I'd make, in a heartbeat. Ryan throws heat, strikes out a ton of people, doesn't give up walks or homers (only four in 2005 in 70 IP), and best of all for a guy who throws like this, isn't a headcase. Do it!</li>Good fucking God, do all of these deals NOW!  Throw on Furcal at SS and move Nomar to 2nd and this team could kick some serious ass next year.

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Knowledged_one

10-25-2005, 05:40 AM

I would put zero stock in BJ Ryan going to set-up in Chicago.  Close yes.  But i don't think he would take a demotion to be a set-up guy unless it was with the Yankees who would offer him an ungodly amount to sign to be a set-up guyHonestly why would BJ Ryan go with a losing team when he could do the same to stay with the orioles and get the same money the cubs would offer?

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10-25-2005, 07:34 AM

Which is also a strong possibility, since they have Dempster locked up for 3 years and could easily move him to be the setup man with BJ as the closer.Or, BJ might be willing to make the switch, since he's been so vocal about his displeasure with the O's.  Why wouldn't he accept a better deal if he's so unhappy about where he is?  The Cubs have a ton of money to toss around for 2006.

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Knowledged_one

10-25-2005, 07:44 AM

I definetly see what you are saying, i just think that the Yankees will toss more money at him then everyone else.  Plus his preference is to stay on the East Coast from all accounts i have seen.I think a more likely scenario is Tom Gordon coming back to the Cubs

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TheMojoPin

10-25-2005, 07:55 AM

STUPID OFFSEASON!  March is a long fucking ways away...

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Def Dave in SC

10-25-2005, 09:23 AM

Well, free agency will start in about 3 weeks.  Hopefully the Sox can go ahead and win the series ASAP, to help speed up the timeline.  Mojo, there were rumors swirling for the past year that Cuban was looking to buy the Pirates, but they got shot down eventually.  I can't think of anything that would have made me happier.  He really understands how to make money while keeping fans coming to the games.  Kevin McClatchey seems to do as much as possible to keep fans out of PNC Park (and Three Rivers) since he bought the team. Hopefully they do well next year, and MccClatchey sells.  Hopefully

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10-25-2005, 09:52 AM

Man, I love PNC Park.  Absolutely beautiful...I always catch all the games the Cubs play there each year, and I've already got the hookup for the '06 All Star Game.  CanNOT fuckin' wait.And Cuban buying the Cubs would be a dream, and the talk is getting bigger and bigger as the Tribune is making more rumblings of selling some of their holdings.  Please, please, please, please, pllllleeeeeeeeeasssssse...

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Knowledged_one

10-25-2005, 10:38 AM

In case you guys were curious about Mark Cuban and what he has done with the Mavericks as far as franchis value here you go<a href="http://www.forbes.com/finance/lists/32/2004/LIR.jhtml?passListId=32&passYear=2004&passListType=Misc&uniqueId=324736&datatype=Misc">http://www.forbes.com/finance/lists/32/2004/LIR.jhtml?passListId=32&passYear=2004&passListType =Misc&uniqueId=324736&datatype=Misc</a>

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10-25-2005, 11:11 AM

Guy must be dying to get his hands on the Cubs.  Sub .500 team and they're already worth around $550 million...imagine if they started having years like 2003 or better on a regular basis.

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Bulldogcakes

10-25-2005, 03:51 PM

Yeah, maybe Cuban wants to buy the Cubs so he can tear down that old
dump of a ballpark Wrigley and have them play in a Basball/Football
combo stadium. Then he can sell naming rights to Ballpark Frankfuters
and call it "Franks Ballpark" Ad campaign would read "Bring the whole
family to play with Franks balls" 
 
 
 
 
 
 
OK, That was a joke.   Actually, the newspaper
business has been in decline for a loooong time. Even the NY Times has
been losing $$$ and recently announced layoffs. It wouldn't surprise me
at all if the Trib Co is serious about selling.  

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HBox

10-25-2005, 03:54 PM

Yeah, maybe Cuban wants to
buy the Cubs so he can tear down that old dump of a ballpark Wrigley
and have them play in a Basball/Football combo stadium. Then he can
sell naming rights to Ballpark Frankfuters and call it "Franks
Ballpark" Ad campaign would read "Bring the whole family to play with
Franks balls"<img width="336" height="200" border="0" src="http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/people/injury/childps/ChildRestraints/ReUse/ICBC_Study_files/image002.jpg" /> 

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spoon

10-25-2005, 04:26 PM

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10-25-2005, 04:32 PM

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10-25-2005, 04:36 PM

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Def Dave in SC

10-26-2005, 11:46 AM

Just for the record, Mojo, I hate you and your All-Star hookup. I'm
sure there are a ton of people buying season tickets just to sell the
ASG seats, so I've been on the lookout for those for a while. 
There is no way I'm buying season tickets, or even a mini plan until
this team starts winning.  But if it is anything like '94, the ASG
should be a great time this summer. 

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Bulldogcakes

10-26-2005, 03:43 PM

I wasn't sure where this belongs, so this thread will do<img width="195" height="262" border="0" src="http://espn-att.starwave.com/media/mlb/2005/1026/photo/a_valentine_195.jpg" /> Bobby V wins Japanese WS (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2204173) Great
story, this team was the "Milwaukee Brewers" of Japan. Middling, .500
team or below, and within 2 years he won the championship. Great job
Bobby! And Congrats! I always liked Bobby V and thought he took alot of
unfair crap in this town. He can coach my team anytime.   

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Crippler

10-26-2005, 04:33 PM

Not so long as your team is my team.  Keep that arrogant, perma-shit-eating-grin, wheel-play-for-no-reason-calling, I invented baseball jackass away from the Bronx.I dig him as an analyst because he obviously knows his shit.  But as a coach, he was constantly trying to reinvent the wheel.  He's kinda like a less-likable, less effective Tony LaRussa...who smiles more.Congrats on the championship, Bobby (because you did get a raw deal on his way out of Queens), but stay the hell away from my Yankees.

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10-26-2005, 04:37 PM

<img width="220" height="160" border="0" src="http://home.uchicago.edu/~kerry/oldindex/valentine0609.jpg" />I prefer his evil twin, Vobby Balentine. 


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Bulldogcakes

10-26-2005, 04:44 PM

You want to know why I like Bobby V? He always gets alot out of very
little talent. Its his specialty. His 99 Met team had no business being
in a pennant race, and 2000 he gets to the WS with less talent than
most of the teams he beat in the playoffs. 
And in the Bronx, we have truckloads of talented guys and cant get past the (less talented) Angels.  He
was at Shea 8 years, which is a long time. But when he left, and
clueless Art Howe took over, people should have appreciated how good
Bobby V was.  

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TheMojoPin

10-26-2005, 07:04 PM

He can coach my team anytime.That's kinda Top Gun-gay.

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10-26-2005, 07:17 PM

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10-26-2005, 11:48 PM

...and the hole gets a little bit deeper for Houston. That's kinda Top Gun-gay.

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RingWraith

10-29-2005, 07:44 AM

Looks like Manny Ramirez is "asking for a trade" again.  There is an article on ESPN.com talking about it.  I apologize for not putting a link.

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Bulldogcakes

10-29-2005, 03:58 PM

Here's the link (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2207464) Yeah,
I saw it too. But this is such a annual event at this point I cant take
it too seriously. This is (at least) the 4th time I remember him asking
for a trade. So I'll believe it when it happens. 


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El Mudo

10-29-2005, 05:49 PM

Thank you Dodgers for firing Paul DePodesta...What a friggin moron...made one of the absolute dumbest trades EVER last year when he sent Lo Duca and Mota to the Fish right at the deadline....killed that team....

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10-29-2005, 06:51 PM

any chance theo epstein signs with the dodgers???or will he just use them as leverage with the red sox???also the braves are replacing leo mazzone with roger mcdowell???i didnt know he was still even alive let alone still in baseball

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10-29-2005, 06:59 PM

quote: Thank you Dodgers for firing Paul DePodesta...What a friggin moron...made one of the absolute dumbest trades EVER last year when he sent Lo Duca and Mota to the Fish right at the deadline....killed that team....<img src="http://scripts.cgispy.com/image.cgi?u=BigCoop" border="0" /> Powered by <a href="http://www.cgispy.com/">CGISpy.com</a> .... I went up to Little Big Horn...Not a single word was said...'cept one old lonely ghost sayin' "General's still dead...General's still dead"Thanks Monsterone And Fallon This brightens the glimmer of hope that the Cubs and Dusty Baker may part ways.  Dusty has always talked about wanting to end up back in Cali, and has a lot of friends within the Dodgers organization, and DePodesta was always the biggest thing in the way of him being considered for the manager's spot in LA.  It's a slim chance, and not very likely, but I'm lighting candles and praying my ass off...Otherwise, all the Cubs have done is lock up Ryan Dempster, pick up Todd Walker and Scott Williamson's options, and opted not to pick up Jeromy Burnitz.  Lets get to the meaty stuff! 

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10-30-2005, 02:18 AM

That mojo sure loves his meat.

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10-30-2005, 02:52 AM

That because he's from Chicago: "hog butcher for the world".

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El Mudo

10-30-2005, 05:41 AM

Well, the Dodgers are completely cleaning house...I don't think they shoulda got rid of Tracy...he did a fabulous job there keeping that team competitive before DePodesta messed it up....I'm reading they are going to name Orel Hershiser manager...

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10-30-2005, 05:47 AM

Buster Olney is reporting on his blog they are going to hire Pat Gillick as GM...Heres some other tidbits Within Nick Cafardo's baseball notebook, there is news of the possible <a href="http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2005/10/30/francona_is_moved_to_reflect/?page=3" target="new">Boston-San Diego trade of David Wells</a>. A question is whether San Diego honcho Sandy Alderson will be OK with the outspoken Boomer.   It'd be a shocker if the Braves threw down a bunch of money to keep Rafael Furcal, but <a href="http://atlanta.braves.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20051028&content_id=1261804&vkey=news_atl&fext=.jsp&c_id=atl" target="new">they're going to talk</a>. With Chipper Jones and Andruw Jones both locked into big-money deals, it's hard to imagine the Braves paying Furcal what he could get the from the Cubs or the Mets or some other team.    I think the situation in Philadelphia is going to be interesting....Ryan Howard v. Jim Thome....who do you keep, who do you let go...For me the answer is obvious....I let Thome go...

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TheMojoPin

10-30-2005, 07:08 AM

Man, I'm hoping that the Braves do somehow re-sign Furcal so the Cubs can't blow their money on him.  All the areas that need fixing and he keeps coming up at SS...screw that.  Re-sign Nomar on the cheap and have Ronny Cedeno there on the bench to supersub.  The Cubs need to find a serious leadoff hitter (yeah, I know Furcal was for the Braves, but he's real streaky and his defense has typically stunk), a CFer (likely to plug the leadoff hitter problem if they're smart here) and RFer, and at least one lights out reliever to strengthen up the bullpen...another quality starter would be nice, too.  But I'd look at ALL of those beofre trying to fill SS.

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A.J.

10-31-2005, 02:12 AM

Looks like Theo is staying...<a href="http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2005/10/31/epstein_red_sox_agree_on_a_three_year_contract/">http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2005/10/31/epstein_red_sox_agree_on_a_three_year_contract/</a>

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10-31-2005, 02:15 PM

There's was just a newsflash on ESPN.com, and it looks liek Theo ISN'T staying with the Red Sox. UH-OH![arrogant Yankee fan]Maybe the Yanks can hire him as a bat boy.[/arrogant Yankee fan]<a href="http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=Ar1MMZgEPMLQKS9SYRf5xQsRvLYF?slug=ap-redsox-epsteinresigns&prov=ap&type=lgns" target="_blank">Here is the link.</a> 

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Bulldogcakes

10-31-2005, 03:29 PM

That doesn't surprise me. When you say you want some of your boss's
authority, it may well lead to some bad blood between the two of you. I
was actually surprised to  hear he WAS staying. Factor in he took
a pretty hard line with the team, thats the kind of thing you do when
you have another job waiting. Or else you'd be crazy to walk away from
4.5 mil. 
Theo would have to be NUTS if he doesn't have something else
lined up, though. And I think he's smart enough to make sure he lands
on his feet, and soon.  

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HBox

10-31-2005, 03:34 PM

I just read the Shaughnessy column that apparently
pissed Epstein off so much. It is so completely absolutely pathetic the
way the Boston Front Office shits on everyone who leaves. It was so
similar to some of the garbage coming out when Pedro left, when Nomar
left, when Clemens left. It's one thing that hasn't changed under new
ownership. I know Shaughnessy thought Epstein was staying, but still,
you cross the front office in Boston and any semblance of ethics and
confidentiality goes out the window. Epstein gave them exactly what
they deserved, what they've had coming. 

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10-31-2005, 09:39 PM

quote: Looks like Theo is staying...<a href="http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2005/10/31/epstein_red_sox_agree_on_a_three_year_contract/">http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2005/10/31/epstein_red_sox_agree_on_a_three_year_contract/</a><img src="http://img40.photobucket.com/albums/v124/Canofsoup15/Sigs/AJinDC-Sig.jpg" border="0" /> A Skidmark/canofsoup15 production.Red Sox NationOr not. 

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11-01-2005, 09:40 PM

Phillies hired Pat Gillick...

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11-02-2005, 04:22 PM

<a target="blank" href=""> Cincinatti sold, to someone else with no money </a> 

 Castellini owned a produce
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million in the 1990s to build a football stadium for the Bengals.
 Castellini's group was one of the last to show an interest in
purchasing the team, said one of the parties involved in the sale.
Major League Baseball has barred comment pending approval.
 "Carl knew them well," said the source, who spoke on condition
of anonymity because of baseball's order not to comment. "That's
got a lot to do with it. They're Cincinnati."
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TheGameHHH

11-02-2005, 06:04 PM

one of my fathers good buddies Joe Maddon, the current Angles bench coach, is being considered for the head job at Tampa Bay and I'm so torn on how to feel. I'm so happy that he's being considered, but coaching Tampa Bay is like coaching a team of 9 year old retarded girls, they're just not gonna go anywhere, and it could ruin his chances at getting a future managing job.

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11-02-2005, 07:14 PM

Tampa has a lot of good young players.  In fact, they had one of the best records in MLB during the second half. 

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11-02-2005, 08:39 PM

<a href="http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20051102&content_id=1263572&vkey=news_chc&fext=.jsp&c_id=chc" target="_blank">Greg Maddux and Derrek Lee picked up Gold Glove Awards on Wednesday, the first time the Chicago Cubs have had multiple winners since Maddux and Mark Grace both won top defensive honors in 1992. </a>Maddux has won the damn thing 15 of the last 16 years.Jesus.

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spoon

11-03-2005, 02:43 AM

I think Omar V. just won his 10th in a row as well.  The voting for these awards tend to favor past winners.  I takes a long time for great defensive younger players to get their name out there.  Hudson from the Jays deserved one in 2004 more than Wells.  Yet, he wasn't a household name, not the Wells is, but he's much closer. 

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11-03-2005, 06:17 PM

Well...I guess the Ryan Zimmerman Era begins now for real...He looked pretty good over the 2d half last season, and I thought they would bring him along slowly and maybe platoon him with Castilla...But Castilla was just dealt to the Padres for Brian Lawrence...<a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2213182">http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2213182</a>

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11-04-2005, 10:42 PM

Nice!  I really hope this happens.  Starters:  1) Halladay 2) Burnett 3) Chacin 4) Lilly 5) Towers  Downs, Bush and a lot of young guys with potential to fill in if needed.  I hope it happens.  This would give the Jays possibly the best #1/#2 combo in the majors.  <a href="http://toronto.bluejays.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20051103&content_id=1264102&vkey=news_tor&fext=.jsp&c_id=tor">http://toronto.bluejays.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20051103&content_id=1264102&vkey=n ews_tor&fext=.jsp&c_id=tor</a>

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11-05-2005, 05:45 AM

I'll be stunend if Burnett ends up in Tornoto.

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11-05-2005, 06:33 AM

Me too.  But I'm hoping.

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11-08-2005, 02:48 AM

Pirates tell Mark Cuban were not for sale (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2216809) Thats one down for Mojo's dream of having him buy the Cubs.  Throw in this lil fact (http://www.breitbart.com/news/2005/11/07/D8DNNTVG1.html)  list (http://www.drudgereport.com/flash1l.htm) Chicago Tribune, 586,122, down 2.47 percent  

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11-08-2005, 06:33 AM

EEEEEEEEEE!!!Thanks for finding all that, BDC!  I'm hopin'...And wishin'...And prayin'...VIVE LA CUBAN!

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11-08-2005, 06:15 PM

damnit! I wanted Cuban to buy that team soooooooo bad.  I hate Kevin McClatchy more now than ever. 

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WindowSill

11-10-2005, 04:07 PM

I read in the Post today that the Mets are considering seriously
pursuing A.J. Burnett. Im really psyched about the free agent market
this year and the players that the Mets are looking at. Burnett,
Wagner/Hoffman/Ryan, Molina/Hernandez/Jojima (supposedly the hottest
Japanese player on the market...i.e. Kaz Matsui), Furcal. Theyre also
continuing talks with the Sox about Manny and might possibly go after
Konerko or Aubrey Huff. I guess Im still not used to the Mets actually
getting getting players that might actually help the team with the
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TheMojoPin

11-10-2005, 08:27 PM

So as of right now I've read serious articles saying that the Cubs could very likely end up with Furcal, Juan Pierre and...yeah right...Matsui.Give a sportswriter ANY kind of "tip" and he'll print it.

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11-11-2005, 01:33 PM

does anyone remember who the mets got back when they traded a.j. burnett???was he in the piazza trade??? I know preston wilson was part of it but i can't remember who else.I wouldn't mind seeing them pick him up but he probably won't sign, hopefully we can get Billy Wagner

WindowSill

11-12-2005, 06:07 AM

The Mets traded Burnett for Leiter. There was a couple other guys involved but it was basicallly A.J. for Al... 

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11-12-2005, 06:55 AM

Jojima (supposedly the hottest Japanese player on the market...i.e. Kaz Matsui)*sheepy horn*

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11-12-2005, 08:44 PM

There was a couple other guys involved but it was basicallly A.J. for Al...They're trading me for Dukes?

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11-15-2005, 02:38 AM

Story (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2223720)
<h1>Cubs tell Garciaparra to seek better fit elsewhere</h1>
General manager Jim Hendry told the paper he talked to Arn Tellem, Garciaparra's agent, last week. 
"Nomar
is a guy we all feel terrible about," Hendry told the paper. "He really
worked hard to come back [from a severe groin injury] and play at all.
He swung the bat well late.
"Unfortunately, he has had a lot of
injuries that weren't necessarily his fault. We have kept the door open
with Arn Tellem," he said.
 

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11-15-2005, 09:02 AM

Yeah, but hey, December 7th is a long ways away and a lot of things could happen.  The Cubs are just being smart given Nomar's injury problems and are giving him free reign to seek out the best deal possible.  Ultimately, they could still end up striking a deal over the next 3 weeks...not likely, but this isn't closing the door.  Personally, I'd have no problem for him coming back for a 1 year $4-6 million incentive deal that'll cover any time he'll spend hurt.  If the Cubs pick up Furcal, move Nomar over to 2nd.  If he goes down, the Cubs potentially have Cedeno and Neifi Perez to back him up...or, those guys can step up and cover 2nd and Nomar can cover 3rd if Aramis Ramirez goes down again (a likely scenario).  In the end, I'm happy if Nomar goes or stays.In other news...<h1><a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10045133/" target="_blank">Numbers point to Lee as NL MVP</a></h1><h2><a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10045133/" target="_blank">Stats-minded voters will overlook value of Andruw Jones, Pujols</a></h2>The writer clearly favors Jones, and honestly, I think Pujols deserves it more, but I'm not gonna lie and say Lee wining this won't make me squeal like a dandy fancylad.

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11-15-2005, 11:32 AM

<a href="http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20051115&content_id=1268476&vkey=news_chc&fext=.jsp&c_id=chc" target="_blank">WHOOPS!</a>Sure proved me wrong fast.I'm glad Pujols got it, though Jones pulling second is a fucking crime.  I don't care how you argue it...the guy is there for home runs alone, and that's lame.

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TheGameHHH

11-15-2005, 11:40 AM

Maddon got the job managing Tampa Bay, that's pretty fuckin cool. Hopefully this upcomming season I'll get to go into the visitor's clubhouse in Yankee Stadium and see some cool shit. 

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11-15-2005, 05:53 PM

quote:<a target="_blank" href="http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20051115&content_id=1268476&vkey=news_chc&fext=.jsp&c_id=chc">WHOOPS!</a>Sure proved me wrong fast.I'm
glad Pujols got it, though Jones pulling second is a fucking crime. I
don't care how you argue it...the guy is there for home runs alone, and
that's lame.

 Jones desrved it. He
CARRIED his fucking team all year. Pugols LEAD THE LEAGUE in errors by
a 1b (32?) Andrew Jones is probably the best defensive CF in the game,
and CF is a key defensive position, First base isn't, and Pugols still
fucked it up. Its not just the #'s its Most Valuable player. Pugols had
a slightly better offensive year, but he plays on a great hitting team.
And the hitting disparity wasn't huge between the two of them. When you
factor in defense and importance to his team, it's Jones. 

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El Mudo

11-15-2005, 09:59 PM

It HAD to be Jones...That team had NO BUSINESS winning the NL East this year, and like Bulldog said...he carried them...Hell he should be the MVP just for what he did to my Nats...Hey Frank....how bout not pitching to this guy any more?

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11-16-2005, 07:28 AM

Clearly Jones should've won it.I keep gearing how Pujols batted .067 points higher and that was the difference but to me that makes Jones that much more valuable.He drove in more runs than Pujols with significantly less hits.Its about production and producing 128 RBIs, regardless of what your average is, is what you want.Who cares if you bat .395 and drive in 100 if another guys bats .280 and drives in 130 ?The RBIs are what win games.Batting average is over-rated when it comes to an MVP.Its about getting the job done.Jone apparently drove in more runs when he needed to do so.He didnt hot 51 solo homeruns and his average with Runners In Scoring Positiuon was lower than Lee & Pujols and yet he still drove in more runs.That means he was driving in guys from 1st base as well.I think Pujolos had an awesome year but I still think it should've gone to Jones.Jones was classy though and said that Pujols shoiuld've won it unlike that jackwadd A-rod who was saying why he should've won it over Ortiz.Wear some more lipstick you Mary.

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11-16-2005, 07:50 AM

Jones didn't have to "save the Braves all year by himself."  For the bulk of the year he had guys ahead of him, veterans and rookies who could get on base.  He has no control over that.  He lucked out having skilled guys in the lineup who could get on the bases before he belted one out, moreso than Lee and even Pujols on the Cards.  How does that make JONES the better player?  Lee himself generated more runs and statistically won more games for the Cubs himself than Jones did for the Braves.  I was already complaining about this elsewhere...<div class="comments-body">There is absolutely no way that Andruw Jones was anything close to the MVP. Lee was on base -70- times more often in 20 more PA's. Lee's on base percentage was 60 points higher. For comparison, Neifi was well within 60 points of Andruw's OBP. Andruw hit 19 HRs with men on. 32 when empty. Lee had 15... but Andruw had 60 more at bats. Andruw his .207 with runners in scoring position, with an OPS of .721. Lee hit .331 with a 1.113 OPS. Andruw hit more home runs, but Lee created more runs by not only hitting better with men on base but being on base more often to be driven in.Andruw gets bonus points for being more valuable defensively, but not enough so to make up for the fact that Lee created far more runs, therefore led to the Cubs winning more games than Andruw led the Braves to. The media glorifies Andruw more than he deserves to be because of the fact that he was the only recognizable face on the Braves who was healthy and good the whole season. They're giving him credit for the rookies who filled in for those who were hurt, and for the better-than-usual seasons that the middle infield had.I'm not going to argue against Albert Pujols, he was similar in value to Lee. But Jones, while having a good year, was not even in the same neighborhood as Lee.Oh, sorry, I didn't even mention the fact that Lee had an 85 point advantage in Slugging percentage, coming from 26 more doubles.Jones had a great year...I just look at the MVP as the award for the best (non-pitcher) player of the year.  And maybe that's wrong.  I think there needs to be an award comparable to the Cy Young, which is based mostly on the overall numbers, and the MVP isn't it with its vague "good team=good player/bad team, punish good player" mentality.Maybe Jones does deserve the MVP category based on that kind of thinking...then there needs to be something that recognizes the hard numbers that shows how phenomenal Lee and Pujols were overall as players, because breaking it down like that Jones isn't even in the running outside of His HR's and RBI's.</div>

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11-16-2005, 08:10 AM

Mojo how can you say RBIs mean nothing ?RBIs mean much more than average and hits.There were like 12 guys within 15 hits of Lee so that doesnt mean anything.I'd have picked Jimmy Rollins before I'd have picked Lee.Rollins batted .290, had 180+ hits and stole 40+ bases for ateam that just missed the playoffs.As far as lucking out goes Lee lucks out by playing in a stadium thats notorious for exagerating players numbers.Lee's not even in the discussion.Cubs sucked with him and would've sucked without him hence the reason the finished behind the Brewers.

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11-16-2005, 10:04 AM

quote: Mojo how can you say RBIs mean nothing ?RBIs mean much more than average and hits.There were like 12 guys within 15 hits of Lee so that doesnt mean anything.I'd have picked Jimmy Rollins before I'd have picked Lee.Rollins batted .290, had 180+ hits and stole 40+ bases for ateam that just missed the playoffs.As far as lucking out goes Lee lucks out by playing in a stadium thats notorious for exagerating players numbers.Lee's not even in the discussion.Cubs sucked with him and would've sucked without him hence the reason the finished behind the Brewers.I have balls !!! I didn't say RBI's "mean nothing."  I AM saying it's ridiculous to argue like they can be one of the sole factors over dozens of other stats when someone is an MVP.  How can the potential MVP control how many people get on base ahead of him?  To use Lee as an example, you're essentially saying he's being penalized for being on a shitty team and having a shitty lineup made by a shitty manager, DESPITE hitting better overall than anyone in BOTH leagues.  That's asinine.  Lee really is the best example of singelhandedly doing all that is humanly possible for one man to do as a baseball player and still getting the shaft just because he's on a crappy team.  Despite what people say about Jones (because he obviously didn't.  Let's stop talking like the Braves had only medicore or horrible players to go with when all the injuries wnet down.  They didn't), one man really can't win a season for a team all by himself.  Why is one player's achievment belittled or shunned just because other people he has NO control over aren't up to snuff?And you're really chalking Lee's performance this last season up to "luck?"  And just because he plays at Wrigley?  If you're really gonna push THAT horseshit argument, why doesn't the MVP come out of Colorado or Houston every goddamn year?  And AGAIN, I'm not saying Lee should have won the MVP!  But saying he isn't MVP-worthy is absurd.  I fucking loathe the Cardinals and I have no problem respecting Pujols for the player he is.

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11-16-2005, 10:34 AM

So how did Jones " luck out " in his lineup ?He was " lucky " to have 10 rookies in the lineup at some point with him ?And " lucky " because those guys were major league hitters ?He should be less considered for the MVP because his manager doesnt suck ?Jones should be punished because he has players in front of him ( Furcal and Giles ) that can hit ?That is ridiculous. 

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11-16-2005, 10:54 AM

The Braves did indeed as a team "luck out" with most of the rookies they had to call up to deal for the injured vets.  It's a HUGE gamble whenever a team has to call up rookies in a situation like that to replace seasoned, all-star caliber players, as the Braves had to do.  Is that such a crazy thing to say?  I think even most Braves fans would agree with me.  Look, the Cubs lucked out when they had to plug Matt Murton into LF towards the end of the year and the guy ended up hovering around .330 with some serious power.  Luck factors HUGE when tossing a rookie into the game during the season.And yes, you could possibly chalk RBI's up to luck in that they're based on how good the guy(s) ahead of you are.  Look how many hits, extra base hits and HR's Lee had total.  Lack of RBI's doesn't reflect on those numbers...it reflects on the guys ahead of him and how THEY can't get on base.  Lee was belting hits left and right that should have been driving in at least 100 RBI's this year, but now it's his fault Dusty Baker's parade of losers can't hit the damn ball?  Why should that be such a crowning stat for OR against a potential MVP when it rests so heavily in the performance of other people who are NOT the MVP candidate?  Of course, it's a big stat.  But people are chalking it up there like they somehow "prove" Jones should have been the MVP.  It relies too heavily on other players to be the make or break stat.

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11-16-2005, 03:06 PM

quote:I'm not going to argue against Albert Pujols,
he was similar in value to Lee. But Jones, while having a good year,
was not even in the same neighborhood as Lee. Well, you redeemed yourself later in this post, but let me just stress it Most Valuable.Your team can finish last (or in Lee's case 4th) with or without him. 
   quote:Maybe
Jones does deserve the MVP category based on that kind of
thinking...then there needs to be something that recognizes the hard
numbers that shows how phenomenal Lee and Pujols were overall as
players, because breaking it down like that Jones isn't even in the
running outside of His HR's and RBI's. There
is. They're called Gold Gloves, Batting Crowns, Lead Lead in
HR's/RBI's. And if you do them all its a Triple Crown. There are plenty
of individual awards, thats the whole point of the MVP award. That you
have to put a little thought into it and look at who meant the most to
his team. Any dope can read stats, the MVP is for the player who did
the most to contrbute to his teams success.    And
Jim B, I agree wholeheartedly with you. RBI's are one of the MOST
important stats, it tells you how "clutch" a ballplayer is. Even more
important than HR's. The only factor that would mitigate RBI's  is
if you're on a team like the Yanks or Red Sox the past few years, where
they both had huge team OBP's. If you have a ton more opportunities,
you'll obviously have more. And the fact that Pugols was on a
great hitting team to me diminshes to some degree his RBI total, when
compared to Jones, who had no protection in that lineup.    

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11-16-2005, 03:36 PM

in other newsMets get fleeced (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2226319)
The <a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/clubhouse?team=nym">New York Mets</a> and the <a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/clubhouse?team=sdg">San Diego Padres</a> are on the verge of a deal that would send <a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=5492">Mike Cameron</a> to San Diego, baseball officials told ESPN's The Magazine's Buster Olney on Wednesday.


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<td>76</td>
<td>12</td>
<td>39</td>
<td>47</td>
<td>.342</td>
<td>.273</td>
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The Mets will get first baseman/outfielder <a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=6610">Xavier Nady</a> in the deal for Cameron.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 So, in one year's time they go from a (just about)
straight up deal with the Bosox for Manny Ramirez to getting Xavier
Nady? Cameron had better #'s than this kid AND HE MISSED HALF THE
SEASON! One of the worst deals I've seen since Kazmir. 


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11-16-2005, 04:10 PM

And Jim B, I agree wholeheartedly with you. RBI's are one of the MOST important stats, it tells you how "clutch" a ballplayer is.Or you could just go with a hitter's average with RISP, or to stretch it even further, with runners on the bases, period.  A clutch ball player has to hit the ball, period.  Lee was possibly the best hitter in all of the MLB.  In his case, you really can argue that the ONLY reason he had less RBI's than Jones is because the various 1-2 lineups ahead of him over the course of the season couldn't get on base consistently.  He can't magically create RBI's when they don't have a chance to exist in the first place.  How much more clutch does a guy have to be if he's hitting above, at or just under .350 the entire goddamn year?  Again, how is this ANYTHING except a player being punished for the performance of his teammates?And of course RBI's are important.  But parading them around like they're THE stat for the MVP just shows how little basis there is behind arguing that Jones should have gotten it.  Take away the RBI's and the HR's, what is there?And BDC, all the awards you listed aren't an equivalent to the Cy Young.  My point is there should be an equivalent award for non-pitchers, and there isn't.In the end I think it's hilarious we're arguing over two guys who won't ever be anywhere near the MVP again for the rest of their careers.

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11-17-2005, 02:41 PM

Jays offered Burnett 5 years and 50 million. Apparently there's another offer from an unknown team as well.

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HBox

11-17-2005, 07:29 PM

News for Mojo: The Cubs signed reliever Scott Eyre for 2 years at 11 million.Relievers are apparently going to be VERY expensive this year. 

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TheMojoPin

11-17-2005, 08:23 PM

Or it's just Jim Hendry overpaying for a slightly above average player AGAIN.Though this guy really shone under Baker when he was managing the Giants...hopefully he can pitch as well away from those spacious west coast stadiums.But hey, last off season the White Sox stocked up with "ordinary" players left and right and look where they ended up.

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11-17-2005, 08:26 PM

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El Mudo

11-17-2005, 08:33 PM

Jays offered Burnett 5 years and 50 million. Apparently there's another offer from an unknown team as well.  I would guess the Nats...he just met with them t'other day, and Burnett's wife is from Bowie...He's been interested in coming here a while...We would be able to pay him too....IF WE HAD A GODDAMN OWNER ALREADY!!!!!!

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11-17-2005, 08:51 PM

Holy Shit.  Anyone from Bowie should just sit down and realize they are pretty much from Laurel and then see the signs and know they are from Scaggsville.......................and then kill themselves. Good night and good luck Dutch Dalton.

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cougarjake13

11-18-2005, 02:34 PM

since there aren't as many Mets fans as there are Yankees fans on this board I didnt want to create a separate Mets offseason spec threadMets traded Mike Cameron to duke's Padres for Xavier Nady and supposedly they might put him in a deal for Manny Ramirez( which is losing steam) and now might be in a deal for the Marlins Carlos Delgado. I was hoping they could sign Delgado last year as a free agent so I would rather have him then an aging and whining baseball version of Terrell Owens. I liked what I saw from Mike Jacobs but I would obviously rather have Delgado.Still in pursuit of catcher Bengie Molina and closer Billy Wagner, hopefully we can sign both but both positions are scarce on the free agent market so we will definitely over pay.Trying to get Furcal to come here and play second as he reportedly would have to in order to come here would require the Mets to seriously over pay him to make the switch. I am not in favor of this. I just hope he decides to sign with mojo's cubs to get him out of our division.

El Mudo

11-18-2005, 08:18 PM

Holy Shit.  Anyone from Bowie should just sit down and realize they are pretty much from Laurel and then see the signs and know they are from Scaggsville.......................and then kill themselves. I wish everyone from Bowie WOULD kill themselves...I HATE that effing place...

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11-20-2005, 03:54 AM

<a target="blank" href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2229919"> Beckett's on the block</a> 

To get Beckett, the trading partner has to take <a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=6133">Mike Lowell</a>'s
contract, which has nearly $18 million remaining over the next two
seasons. Beckett is a four-year arbitration-eligible player who made
$2.4 million in 2005. <a target="blank" href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2229919"></a> <a href="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/editmessage.cfm/Forum/82/Topic/47224/Message/%3Ch1%3ERed%20Sox,%20Rangers%20hottest%20teams%20a fter%20Beckett%3C/h1%3E" target="blank"></a>

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11-20-2005, 04:41 AM

<a target="blank" href="http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/5094856">Looks like a busy trade season</a>  quote: Upon learning of the Blue Jays' five-year, $50
million offer to free-agent right-hander A.J. Burnett, one executive
said, "If Billy (Beane) was hesitating on trading (Barry) Zito, I would
think this would have him placing billboards saying, ‘Former Cy Young
winner for sale,' outside every team's stadium," Beane is in an optimal
position: Unlike last off-season, he doesn't need to trade a veteran
starter, but he almost certainly would consider the idea if teams
wanted to overwhelm him.
Zito, a free agent after next
season, is more accomplished than any starter in this year's class and
under contract in 2006 for $8.25 million.
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Diamondbacks right-hander Javier Vazquez, who has exercised his
right to demand a trade, likely will be attractive to teams that lose
out on Burnett, Kevin Milwood and Co. — and he isn't adamant upon
landing with an East Coast club. A trade to the Cardinals, Cubs and
Indians would satisfy Vazquez's desire to get closer to his native
Puerto Rico, and the Mets and Red Sox obviously would suit him as well.
Vazquez is owed $24 million over the final two years of his contract.
<table width="770" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" class="bdy">
<tr valign="top"><td width="440"><li> Most in the industry expect new Phillies GM
Pat Gillick to do something big; right fielder Bobby Abreu would be a
perfect trade addition for any team that fails to sign free agent Brian
Giles. The Cubs could use the left-handed Abreu to hit between righties
Derrek Lee and Aramis Ramirez. The Mariners also want to add
left-handed power. The Astros — Abreu's original team — would be
another possible partner if they could somehow find a way to absorb the
$30 million he is owed over the next two seasons. The Dodgers also
would make sense.</li><li> In a perfect world, the Phillies
would prefer to trade pricey veteran Jim Thome rather than Rookie of
the Year Ryan Howard. However, one executive suggests that Howard's
value might never be higher, while the Phillies surely are concerned
that Howard remains unproven against left-handed pitching. Howard
batted .148 against left-handers last season, with one homer in 61
at-bats. Of course, trading Howard wouldn't help the Phillies
financially.</li> 
<li> Cubs first baseman Derrek Lee no doubt is
rooting for his White Sox counterpart, free agent Paul Konerko, to get
the biggest deal possible. Lee has an .864 career on-base/slugging
percentage to Konerko's .837 despite playing much of his career at
pitcher-friendly Dolphins Stadium, and he might be the best defensive
first baseman in the game. The Cubs are expected to open talks with Lee
regarding a contract extension after their off-season business is
complete.</li></td></tr>
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cougarjake13

11-20-2005, 06:12 AM

quote: Upon learning of the Blue Jays' five-year, $50 million offer to free-agent right-hander A.J. Burnett, one executive said, "If Billy (Beane) was hesitating on trading (Barry) Zito, I would think this would have him placing billboards saying, ‘Former Cy Young winner for sale,' outside every team's stadium," Beane is in an optimal position: Unlike last off-season, he doesn't need to trade a veteran starter, but he almost certainly would consider the idea if teams wanted to overwhelm him. Zito, a free agent after next season, is more accomplished than any starter in this year's class and under contract in 2006 for $8.25 million. Upon learning of the Blue Jays' five-year, $50 million offer to free-agent right-hander A.J. Burnett, one executive said, "If Billy (Beane) was hesitating on trading (Barry) Zito, I would think this would have him placing billboards saying, ‘Former Cy Young winner for sale,' outside every team's stadium," Beane is in an optimal position: Unlike last off-season, he doesn't need to trade a veteran starter, but he almost certainly would consider the idea if teams wanted to overwhelm him. Zito, a free agent after next season, is more accomplished than any starter in this year's class and under contract in 2006 for $8.25 million. Diamondbacks right-hander Javier Vazquez, who has exercised his right to demand a trade, likely will be attractive to teams that lose out on Burnett, Kevin Milwood and Co. — and he isn't adamant upon landing with an East Coast club. A trade to the Cardinals, Cubs and Indians would satisfy Vazquez's desire to get closer to his native Puerto Rico, and the Mets and Red Sox obviously would suit him as well. Vazquez is owed $24 million over the final two years of his contract.Personally I would rather have Zito especially since we have Peterson his former pitching coach in oakland and there aren't that many good or dominant lefties out there.

spoon

11-20-2005, 11:28 AM

"I think there needs to be an award comparable to the Cy Young, which is based mostly on the overall numbers, and the MVP isn't it with its vague "good team=good player/bad team, punish good player" mentality." Obviously this formula doesn't hold true if the league views you as a huge commodity.  See ARod and his MVP year in Texas.  Hell, it even applies somewhat to Jones. 

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11-20-2005, 11:52 AM

I like the new Nats uniforms... BP: <img height="220" src="http://mlb.imageg.net/graphics/product_images/pMLB2-2380425reg.jpg" width="220" border="0" /> Sunday Alternate: <img height="220" src="http://mlb.imageg.net/graphics/product_images/pMLB2-1769368reg.jpg" width="220" border="0" />

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11-20-2005, 08:48 PM

BP is nice, the alternate looks like failure!

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11-21-2005, 02:59 PM

i guess the nats are copying the braves with the sunday red uni's but it better than the alternate black uni's everyone has

asayresk

11-21-2005, 04:23 PM

Josh Beckett and Mike Lowell will not be heading to the Rangers. Instead, the two popular Marlins are reportedly headed to the Boston Red Sox for prized shortstop prospect Hanley Ramirez, Minor League pitching prospect Anibel Sanchez and a Minor Leaguer

Bulldogcakes

11-21-2005, 04:59 PM

<a target="blank" href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2232211"> Link </a> quote:The Red Sox and Marlins have come to a tentative agreement on a trade that would send <a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=6403">Josh Beckett</a> and <a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=6133">Mike Lowell</a> to Boston for shortstop <a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=7488">Hanley Ramirez</a>, right-handed prospect Anibal Sanchez and a minor-league pitcher.  I
say good deal for Boston. But thats both of their 2 top prospects (both
from AA). So I'd guess this is their last major trade for this off
season. I've
always liked Lowells bat, he could hit great in Fenway, if healthy.
He's a righty dead pull hitter, that monster could be very good for
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spoon

11-21-2005, 09:50 PM

"So I'd guess this is their last major trade for this off season."So I guess moving Manny wouldn't be a major trade?  Or the fact that they seem to be in the market for Carlos as well?  Not likely there last trade this year, let alone the whole off season.

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quote: <a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2232211" target="blank">Link </a> quote: The Red Sox and Marlins have come to a tentative agreement on a trade that would send <a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=6403">Josh Beckett</a> and <a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=6133">Mike Lowell</a> to Boston for shortstop <a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=7488">Hanley Ramirez</a>, right-handed prospect Anibal Sanchez and a minor-league pitcher.  I say good deal for Boston. But thats both of their 2 top prospects (both from AA). So I'd guess this is their last major trade for this off season. I've always liked Lowells bat, he could hit great in Fenway, if healthy. He's a righty dead pull hitter, that monster could be very good for him.  <img src="http://www.silentpix.com/hottub/bulldogsig/rotate.php" border="0" /> <a href="http://bulldogcakes.tripod.com/index.html" target="blank">My site Bully Baby</a> "A dog recently saved his owner's life, because he had been trained to dial 911. Unfortunately, operators had trouble finding the address 'woof, woof.'"-Norm MacDonald This message was edited by Bulldogcakes on 11-21-05 @ 9:03 PM Jesus Henry Christ:Why are they trading for a 3rd baseman?  We have Bill Mueller, and if they're not going to resign him, we have Kevin Youkilis.Hanley Ramirez should have already been the SS.  They should have bumped him up after not resigning Orlando Cabrera and before they got Edgar Renteria.  Why do I see trading him as "Jeff Bagwell Part Deux"?

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11-22-2005, 01:20 AM

I couldn't agree with you more AJ.  Just hope you get Delgado instead of Lowell.  Imagine that lineup if they kept Manny too.  Jesus H (I didn't know it was Henry) Christ indeed!

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11-22-2005, 04:47 PM

quote:Why are they trading for a 3rd baseman? We have Bill Mueller, and if they're not going to resign him, we have Kevin Youkilis.Hanley
Ramirez should have already been the SS. They should have bumped him up
after not resigning Orlando Cabrera and before they got Edgar Renteria. 
 Muellers a free
agent, and since you guys have Renteria for the next few years Hanley
Ramirez would have been blocked at his position. Plus, there's a kid at
A ball who they think will be better anyway. 
 AJ, if Lowell has a bounce back year this is one of the steals
of all time. Beckett's 25 years old, got ace stuff and killed the Yanks
in 2003 WS. I want to know what the Yanks are going to do to counter
this, because so far, they're getting nowhere this off season.  

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11-22-2005, 04:53 PM

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11-22-2005, 04:54 PM

Why are they trading for a 3rd baseman?  We have Bill Mueller, and if they're not going to resign him, we have Kevin Youkilis.Whoever was going to trade for Beckett had to take on Lowell's salary. It was preety much a prerequisite. 

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11-22-2005, 05:02 PM

<h1>'Manny is not returning to Boston,' Ortiz says</h1>
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"Manny lives a difficult situation that only he and his family
know about, and he does not want to play there," Ortiz said.
 
"I spoke with him last week before he left for Brazil and he told me that he wants to go to a team in the West," Ortiz said.

I'll believe it when I see it. 3rd year in a row he's demanded a trade.  

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11-22-2005, 07:12 PM

<a href="http://www.progressiveboink.com/dugout/archive/dugout8-2h.htm" target="_blank">Just Manny being hammy.</a> <img src="http://scripts.cgispy.com/image.cgi?u=TheMojoPin" border="0" /> Dancing with the women at the bar... << He knows his Claret from his Beaujolais >> "You can tell some lies about the good times we've had, but I've kissed your mother twice...and now I'm working on your dad..."

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A.J.

11-22-2005, 10:34 PM

AJ, if Lowell has a bounce back year this is one of the steals of all time.Maybe so, but the sting of the Jeff Bagwell debacle has left old wounds.  It's the same reason why I couldn't enjoy the 2004 playoffs until the last out of the World Series:  I was waiting for the inevitable Boston fuckup.That said, I'm cool with picking up Beckett.

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11-23-2005, 12:58 AM

Word on the street is that Beckett has been beefing up over the last two years and isn't in very good shape anymore.  This isn't as cut and dry as one might think.  Looks like the Mets made a big offer to Wagner and are very close to landing a trade for Delgado.  That would make the Mets a true contender for the first time in a long long time.  Think of the lineup if the land Molina at catcher as well.  Hell, the lineup would be something like this:1)  Reyes  SS2)  Matsui  2nd (they can't move this guy)3)  Beltran  CF4)  Delgado  1st5)  Floyd  RF6)  Wright  3rd7)  Molina  C8)  Diaz  RF ?? (May be part of the trade, but probably not) They might end up batting Matsui 8th and insert Wright earlier in the lineup.  I think that would be bettter, but I guess we'll have to wait and see if these moves actually come to fruition.  If Wagner does sign, Hielman would be a very good setup man as well.  And there are still rumors of Manny and Soriano out there, but they sure as hell can't sign them all.  They're not the fucking Yanks, but they're getting closer.

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El Mudo

11-23-2005, 05:42 AM

Delgado to the Mets for prospects...The goddamn Marlins should be CONTRACTED....<img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/furious.gif" border="0" />What a worthless, awful franchise....

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11-23-2005, 05:53 AM

<a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2234421" target="_blank">Looks like the Mets completed the Delgado trade.</a> 

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Snoogans

11-23-2005, 07:09 AM

so wait, now whats the deal with the mets. Ive heard they want furcal,
then they were thinkin castillo as part of the delgado deal. If they go
into another season is Matsui playin second, they deserve to lose 

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11-23-2005, 08:51 AM

As of right now, the Cubs and the Braves are the two frontrunners to signing Furcal, with most sports writers (scoff!) giving the nod to the Cubs.  The Mets vocally pulled back on Furcal a week or so ago and pretty much said they were out unless he started asking for less.I'm not huge on Furcal, but if the Cubs get him AND pull off their other big rumored trade at the moment, Juan Pierre from the Marlins, I'll be sold.  Having Pierre hit leadoff, Furcal 2nd and then Lee and Aramis Ramirez hitting 3 and 4?  Or Aramis at 5 if they can pick up a big hitting outfielder for RF?  Pardon me while I get my bib.The Pierre thing becomes a LOT more likely with the Delgado trade, since it shows the Cubs can probably trade for him without losing too much...maybe just Corey Patterson (who the Marlins have inexplicably expressed interest in) and a couple of prospects.

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Snoogans

11-23-2005, 08:57 AM

when will people finally realize corey patterson is not gonna be what they said he will be for like 5 years now. Give it up.I
also heard the shit about hte Mets getting Castillo, and I've heard the
soriano thing. Im kinda suprised they traded Mike Jacobs, being that he
was mainly a catcher, why not just let him catch now 


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yomudder21

11-23-2005, 09:07 AM

The Mets are making waves in the offseason already.Delgado and Billy Wagner coming to Flushing.LET'S GO METS.

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11-23-2005, 09:29 AM

when will people finally realize corey patterson is not gonna be what they said he will be for like 5 years now. Give it up.SHHHH!!!  Not yet!  He's only 26 and Hendry can flog the "he needs a change of scenery and then he'll be a 5-tool player" bullshit and get a decent trade!I'm already afraid of his younger brother, Eric.  Currently playing in the Cubs' farm system, and he's eerily pulling the same shit that Corey did at that level...ton of speed, great defense, good hitting NOW with a little power...but a dangerously high level of strikeouts.

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cougarjake13

11-23-2005, 12:44 PM

quote:  I also heard the shit about hte Mets getting Castillo, and I've heard the soriano thing. Im kinda suprised they traded Mike Jacobs, being that he was mainly a catcher, why not just let him catch now Actually Mike Jacobs is a first baseman and not a catcher

cougarjake13

11-23-2005, 01:05 PM

white sox are getting Jim Thome for aaron rowandI guess they didn't think they were gonna be able to re sign Paul Konerko or if they can they could make thome the dh which would end Frank Thomas' career as a white sox but he's been done for a few years now.

MHasegawa

11-23-2005, 03:10 PM

I heard Jacobs was also a catcher too, just penciled in at 1b during
the month or so on the Mets.  Probably caught in Norfolk or
Binghamton. 

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asayresk

11-23-2005, 03:19 PM

Are you telling me that the 2006 mets lineup could potentially be Jose Reyes hitting first, Beltran in the two, Delgado hitting third, Floyd 4, Wright 5. I like Mike Jacobs but if these guys hit to there potenial, the mets line up will be solid along with the starting picthing.

TheMojoPin

11-23-2005, 03:39 PM

So the word right now is the Cubs have Juan Pierre locked up sometime this holiday weekend for 3 prospects.  As long as one of them isn't their top kid, Felix Pie, I'm cool with this.  But Hendry needs to buckle down and HAS to get Furcal to make this work.I like that he signed Scott Eyre and Bob Howry for the bullpen.  Between them and Dempster and the few decent relievers that weeded through the crap last seaosn, the Cubs' pen suddenly looks decent.  Too bad Hnedry didn't fix that before LAST season when he was supposed to.

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11-23-2005, 04:24 PM

quote:The goddamn Marlins should be CONTRACTED....<img border="0" src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/furious.gif" />What a worthless, awful franchise....

 Ahem . . . Two championships in the last 8 years. Second only to the Yanks in that stretch.   I
actually feel bad for Girardi. I thought he was taking over a ready to
contend team. Now he's starting from scratch (almost) 

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11-23-2005, 04:32 PM

Cubs sign Howry (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2235175)Thome goes to White Sox for CF Rowan (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2234843)  Yanks
were said to be after him, and apparently lost out on another one. I
cant believe this one, alot of people think Thome's done. White Sox are
taking a big risk on him.  Man I hope the Yanks are sitting
on a big deal, because they seem to be getting beat to everyone they've
had their eye on.  

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TheMojoPin

11-23-2005, 04:44 PM

Thome might be a perfect fit if they're letting Frank Thomas go and plugging him into the DH spot.  Could keep him off the DL...smart move...

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El Mudo

11-23-2005, 06:22 PM

Ahem . . . Two championships in the last 8 years. Second only to the Yanks in that stretch.  I actually feel bad for Girardi. I thought he was taking over a ready to contend team. Now he's starting from scratch (almost)  And they have a fire sale every few years because PEOPLE IN SOUTH FLORIDA DON'T CARE ABOUT BASEBALL.....They can't draw any body there, they play in a dump of a stadium, they can't get the public to build them a new stadium and even MLB is now talking about moving the Franchise by 2008(hopefully to Vegas)As far as I'm concerned (in the words of Bill Simmons) the 2003 and 1997 world series never happened...They are a joke....(Actually what I'm really pissed about is the fact that the Nats can't buy into this fire sale cause they DON'T HAVE A GODDAMN OWNER!!!!)But the other stuff still stands....

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LordRuckus

11-23-2005, 08:55 PM

Can't argue with Florida beeing a poor sports state but I can't imagine us seeing any professional sport in Las Vegas in our lifetime.

cougarjake13

11-24-2005, 09:25 AM

well technically there was already a professional football team from the xfl the las vegas outlaws and you have the las vegas gladiators in the arena league football.but in the four major sports it probably won't happen but i could see MLB or the NBA putting a team there.

HBox

11-25-2005, 06:43 PM

<a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2236893" target="_blank">Spoon is going to love this.......</a> 

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Snoogans

11-25-2005, 07:00 PM

Wow. This really sucks as a Sox fan. I didnt want Ryan, but I didnt
want him staying in the division. With the possibility that Toronto
gets Burnett, and the possible trading rios and hinske for a big 1b
bat, this isnt good. Im really worried about the Blue Jays as a
contender now.  And the Yanks arent doin anything, not sure what they are waitin for 

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spoon

11-25-2005, 07:01 PM

First true closer in Toronto since Tom Henke.  Duane Ward was good, but no Tom Henke.

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11-25-2005, 07:05 PM

The Jays are rumored to be interested in Giles for a corner outfield position and Burnett is supposedly real close to signing with the Jays.  Oh yah, they are also looking to aquire a power hitting 1st baseman.  I know it has about a 1% chance, but could they be interested in Konerko.  <img src="http://members.aol.com/dxixrxt/spoon2.jpg" border="0" /> Get your balls out of your purse and step up to flavor! With whale cancer! F yeah!

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HBox

11-25-2005, 07:07 PM

The Yankees might have short-circuited themselves in trade talks. The first thing out of other GM's mouths in talks, no matter who it for, seems to be Cano and Wang, even for marginal players like Juan Pierre. And they've already said they ain't trading them. There was only one player on the market I would even think about trading them for, and that was Beckett, and I'm not even sure I'd give up both of them for him.The truth is the Yanks don't have many holes. CF and bullpen is it. Other than that, it will be the same team as last year. I hope they don't go into the year with Crosby as the CF, the lineup can carry him easily, but it would be nice to have a CF that can do something offensively.I just don't see the Yanks making moves for the sake of making moves this year. It's a thin market and most of the cream of the crop is already gone. 

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ADF

11-25-2005, 07:08 PM

This can't help the Mets in contract negotiations with Wagner. 
They might have to guarantee the fourth year and up the dough a bit. 

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spoon

11-25-2005, 07:26 PM

Dam right ADF, he's the only decent closer, if not only, left!

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spoon

11-25-2005, 07:37 PM

However, being that the Phils gave $22 million along with Thome to the White Sox, upping the price tag on Wagner might actually make the Mets the only team left who can afford him.  In essence, the Blue Jays may have just delivered Wagner on a plate to Shea.

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11-25-2005, 07:45 PM

I told you my Jays were going to be quite involved in this year's free agent/trading sessions.  The newer ownership sees the young potential starting to hit it's prime and realizes they need a few pieces in order to compete in the ultra competitive AL East.  Here are a few more rumors Snoogans is sure to love..... "News: The Blue Jays have joined the Royals, Pirates and Cubs in asking the Rangers about Kevin Mench. Impact: Adrian Gonzalez is also receiving interest. In return for Mench, the Royals are reportedly willing to give up Jeremy Affeldt. The Blue Jays discussed Miguel Batista, Brandon League and Alex Rios with the Rangers. Of course, there's no way they'd give up all three players. Rios alone for Mench would likely give the team pause. (Thu. Nov 10, 2005)"   Affeldt for Mench is a fucking joke!  Are the Royals drunk?  Even the Ranger brass isn't that dum.  Here's some more interesting news....<a href="http://torontosun.com/Sports/Baseball/2005/11/25/1322915-sun.html">http://torontosun.com/Sports/Baseball/2005/11/25/1322915-sun.html</a>

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TheMojoPin

11-25-2005, 08:12 PM

Jesus Christ...and I thought the Cubs were overpaying.  BJ Ryan is a great closer, but 5 years for a closer?  Yowch...more than 3 years for a closer always strikes me as pretty risky.  But hey, if it works out, more power to 'em.  The Jays have a solid bullpen all around.I'm crossing my fingers and lighting candles hoping the Cubs pull both Furcal and Juan Pierre.  The latter is supposedly locked up for 3 prospects, and reports say the only real thing keeping Furcal off the Cubs is if the Braves can shell out 50 million for 5 years.  I'm not huge on either guy on their own, but together with Pierre at leadoff and Furcal hitting #2 ahead of guys like Derrick Lee, Aramis Ramirez and if they shell out for someone like Giles or swing a major trade like Abreu is positively dominating.  A lineup like that would drive pitchers crazy.Oh, and fuck Kevin Mench.  I keep hearing his name tossed around, and if the Cubs pick him up I'll be furious.  It's like trading Jeromy Burnitz for a younger Jeromy Burnitz.  No thanks.

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Snoogans

11-25-2005, 08:24 PM

What's your problem with mench?       BulldogCakes is a pussy 

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TheMojoPin

11-25-2005, 08:36 PM

Just what I said.  He's a younger, SLIGHTLY better version of the guy the Cubs just got rid of in RF.  He should be a settled for option AFTER they've exhausted trying to go for big OF dogs like Manny, Damon, Abreu or Giles.

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spoon

11-25-2005, 08:42 PM

I agree Snoogans.

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11-25-2005, 09:28 PM

What's your problem with mench? Probably his freakishly large head.... 

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11-26-2005, 06:18 AM

quote:Oh, and fuck Kevin Mench. 
 <img width="470" height="325" border="0" src="http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/photo/photogallery/palmeiro_career/10.jpg" /> Rafael Palmiero "Hey, thats my job!"              Snoogans takes it in the ass 

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Snoogans

11-26-2005, 06:19 AM

that woulda been alot funnier if you added doo da, dooda after that line 

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11-26-2005, 06:29 AM

Fine  Snoogans takes it in the ass, doo dah, doodaEspecially when he smokes his grass, oh the dooda daySpanks his junk to Manny, wants Ortiz's fannySnoogans takes it in the ass, oh the doo dah day.  

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Snoogans

11-26-2005, 06:30 AM

Manny who? oooooh yea, that asshole 

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11-26-2005, 06:33 AM

So you've seen his asshole? 

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Snoogans

11-26-2005, 06:34 AM

alright, relax now. I only dropped in the line about you to see if Mojo would flip out. 

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11-26-2005, 06:46 AM

Yeah, I kinda figured that. You think Manny's going to be
traded this time? I'm not buying it. I think this is the 4th straight
year he's demanded a trade. I'll believe it when it happens.  

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11-26-2005, 07:20 AM

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spoon

11-26-2005, 12:31 PM

Actually, 2/3 years he did in fact shut down the few game he got a chance to close.  His problem in that role was that he didn't strike that many people out for being such a hard thrower.  In fact, his velocity bit him in the ass a lot of times due to control issues (walks and hit batters in key situations), and giving up the long ball.  The kid came back for TJ surgery with about 5-7 MPH added to his fastball and it may have hurt him in the long run.  Sure it put his fastball over 100mph every now and then, but he never got full control of it.  I think he signed with the A's and had another super year only to falter in the playoffs.  Since then he had come back to the Jays and failed to make the team.  Great point though, thanks for the correction.  He had the potential to be great in those years if he gained a little better control at key times, and the Jays got him more oppurtunities.  

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11-26-2005, 02:21 PM

OK, the prose in this article is a bit much, but it's from a Cubs' scouting page, so it's a given...still, if it's even remotely true...WOW...ITI has learned from a source close to the Cubs that free agent shortstop Raphael Furcal and the Cubs have all but finalized a deal that will bring the shortstop to Chicago for the next five years, with a mutual option for a sixth year. The source told ITI that the deal could pay Furcal as much as $100 million including the sixth year and "significant performance bonuses" that included winning a batting title, the stolen base title, and a bonus if he plays in 150 games for each of the first three years of his contract.The news that Furcal was coming to the North Side would have easily been enough, but our source also had one more juicy bit of info.The Cubs might make one more deal that could give them arguably the greatest infield in the history of baseball.The rumor goes that the Cubs are close to finalizing a seven player deal with the Texas Rangers that would bring Alfonso Soriano and Kevin Mench to the Cubs in exchange for Jerome Williams, Todd Walker, and three minor leaguers, one of whom is believed to be right hander David Aardsma, and another shortstop Ronny Cedeno. According to our source the two clubs have agreed on which players would be dealt, but what is holding it up is exactly what kind of deal Soriano will want in Chicago.He would likely command a deal similar to Furcal's, and while his addition would solidify the infield, and first four spots in the batting order, there are questions about whether or not the Cubs would be willing to shell out a pair of $100 deals in two weeks to two players.Still, if Jim Hendry were to pull this off, the Cubs would, once again, become the favorite to win the NL Central, and probably the World Series. With the addition of Bobby Howry and Scott Eyre, the bullpen appears to be shored up, and if the Cubs were able to sign Furcal and land Soriano, suddenly Felix Pie, even rushed, in center field doesn't look so bad, since he would likely be hitting eighth, with little to no pressure to produce.The Cubs lineup, even with Pie and fellow youngster Matt Murton in it, would almost certainly be one of the most feared in the NL. Furcal, Soriano, Derrek Lee, Aramis Ramirez, Mench, Murton, Barrett and Pie.Be afraid, be very afraid. The only obvious weakness would appear to be the lack of a left handed bat in the middle of the order, but a quality, older, cheaper, left handed hitting corner outfielder could provide that at least some of the time, and it might not matter. Yes, the starting pitching will remain in question as long as perennially injured Kerry Wood is still penciled into the rotation, and the trading of Williams would nix one of the top options for temp duty during Wood's inevitable time on the shelf, but the opportunity to assemble a lineup like this comes rarely (unless you're the Yankees).The 100 million for Furcal is a bit absurd, but if it locks him up as part of THAT lineup, hey, go for it.

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11-26-2005, 02:51 PM

This is truly becoming the year of overpaid contracts.  Perhaps this will finally enable MLB to see it needs to take a true stand on salaries as the NHL recently did, bc ticket prices are already crazy and obviously headed to Clare territory.  Something's got to give in the next few years.  At least Furcal and Ryan are key players, but the Eyre getting what he did is just another level of nuts. 

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cougarjake13

11-26-2005, 02:59 PM

i agree with you spoon on furcal maybe but ryan has only been a closer for one season and previous to that he was just in the bullpen. he doesn't deserve that much money for one good season as a closer.

spoon

11-26-2005, 03:25 PM

Ryan was meant to close.  He is coming off three great years in Baltimore in terms of ERA, Strike Outs to Walk Ratio, Hits per inning among other stats.  Also, being that he's a lefty closer, it helps that the setup man will usually be a righty.  Meaning the AL managers dealing with Ryan in the ninth may have already depleted its bench in order to matchup earlier in the game bc the Jays will probably have at least one or two other lefties in the pen for matchups.  In fact, the Jays bullpen matured greatly last year, and this move has the potential to be huge.  It also always has the chance to blow up in their faces, but I'm just happy they're making a fucking effort again.  It's just nice to see them in play for a few of these FAs, let alone get one this big and this early.  The Jay haven't been this active in about a decade or longer.  The ghost of Gord Ash is finally gone.

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cougarjake13

11-26-2005, 03:38 PM

i'm not saying its not worth the risk especially since other than wagner there's no other closers on the market but 5 yrs is a lot to give a guy who has only been a closer for one season and you don't know if by the end of the contract that he'll still be as effective as he was last year but i can agree with your point on them finally being active in the market.

Bulldogcakes

11-26-2005, 04:26 PM

quote:The 100 million for Furcal is a bit absurd, but if it locks him up as part of THAT lineup, hey, go for it.

 Since when does
Rafael Furcal become a 100 million dollar player? That contract makes
A-Rod look UNDERpaid. He's a nice player, but shouldn't go for more
than half that for 5 or 6 years. Soriano is another matter. If
you have to give him 100 mil, go for it. Just remember what us Yankee
fans remember about Soriano. Slider, low and away.And pitching wins Championships.   

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TheMojoPin

11-26-2005, 05:09 PM

A deal like that would destroy the FA market for the next few years.  The Cubs would lose Lee, Ramirez, Prior and Zambrano when it came time to resign...no way $100 million is legit...up to $60 million, but anything above that is retarded.

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11-28-2005, 12:56 PM

mets have officially signed billy wagner<a href="http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/5117698">http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/5117698</a>

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11-28-2005, 01:33 PM

Bulldogcakes

11-28-2005, 02:27 PM

quote:.Does Frankie win a prize for the world's shortest post?

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11-28-2005, 02:45 PM

quote:mets have officially signed billy wagner<a href="http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/5117698">http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/5117698</a>

 THe Mets are obviously going for it this year, and should field a real good team. Maybe the favorites to win their division.  But
doesn't ANYONE have a problem with giving a hard throwing 34 year old a
4/5 year deal? In a sane market he'd get 2 with an option. 


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Crippler

11-28-2005, 03:09 PM

Wow, that's a Yankee deal if I've ever seen one.  That deal screams "we know this isn't smart, but if we win a title, no one will care."  It's when you don't win one that this deal will look awful.  Or when lil' Billy finally throws out his arm for good, like scout have been saying he would do his whole career.  Compound that with the Pedro deal that will start to look silly if he doesn't have two more years just as good as last year & the Mets could be digging themselves out of a pretty deep whole.

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11-28-2005, 04:44 PM

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asayresk

11-28-2005, 05:07 PM

I just came home and heard the news that billy wagner just sign with the ny mets, the puzzle is almost complete all we need is a catcher and some more relief.

WindowSill

11-29-2005, 02:16 AM

What the Mets really need is another starter...I got no confidence in Glavine, Trachsel, or Zambrano... 

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11-29-2005, 12:47 PM

quote: What the Mets really need is another starter...I got no confidence in Glavine, Trachsel, or Zambrano... <img src="http://scripts.cgispy.com/image.cgi?u=metalsat666" border="0" /> i don't either but maybe with all this offense and wagner closing games we could be okay

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11-29-2005, 12:53 PM

quote: I just came home and heard the news that billy wagner just sign with the ny mets, the puzzle is almost complete all we need is a catcher and some more relief. well with the way things are going this offseason i expect to see bengie molina being introduced at shea sometime this week or next.i'm not sure who is available on the free agent market for relievers other then tom gordon who will prob sign with philly to be their closer to replace wagner

newport king

11-29-2005, 06:04 PM

i'd rather get hernandez than molina. also i read on a couple sites that we could be involved in a trade for zito. with a few diff players mentioned (heilman, humber, milledge, seo) there were a few diff combinations depending on the site.

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11-30-2005, 04:15 PM

quote: i'd rather get hernandez than molina. also i read on a couple sites that we could be involved in a trade for zito. with a few diff players mentioned (heilman, humber, milledge, seo) there were a few diff combinations depending on the site.<img src="http://hometown.aol.com/bonedaddy5/images/newportking.jpg" border="0" /> i would be disappointed to lose humber or milledge but if it was to get zito i would definitely do it.

cougarjake13

11-30-2005, 04:34 PM

paul konerko re-signs with the white sox<a href="http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/5123422">http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/5123422</a>

cougarjake13

12-01-2005, 01:58 PM

Mets are rumored to be trading Kris Benson to Baltimore for Jorge JulioI think the Mets need starting pitching more then bullpen help and unless this deal is made because we are also getting Zito from the A's in another deal I wouldn't do it. Not that Benson is great or better then Julio, just if the Mets have any weaknesses its second base and starters behind pedro.

Bulldogcakes

12-01-2005, 03:04 PM

Julio's awful, this is another salary dump, just like Cameron was.You
know, if the Mets planned ahead, and packaged Benson and Cameron
together in a trade, dont you think they could've got someone good?
Maybe throw in a prospect and there's your Manny deal.   

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Doogie

12-01-2005, 03:32 PM

Mets are rumored to be trading Kris Benson to Baltimore for Jorge JulioKeyword there in that post is rumor. I dont see the Mets trading Benson as he is a lot better pitcher than Zambrano and getting rid of good young pitching talent should have of stopped with Kazmir (Side note-In MVP Baseball 2005 I traded to get Kazmir back), but won't. Now while many say that the Mets signing Pedro to a long term deal is silly, I say that the Mets are doing a sort of rebuilding. They are competing with the Yankees for big stars, but those who legitmatly compete and contribute to the team. While they get the fans back to the seats with stars, they give their minor league teams a chance to develop.  The Wilpons are taking this team balls to the wall to the future with the launching of their own network for the Mets and a privately financed stadium in the next three years. The Mets are seriously committed, for now, to building a ballclub. There perhaps has not been this much build up of the Metropolitans since Mrs. Payson's days of the 1960's. The 2005 Mets overachieved, but will be better with the improved bullpen and the loss of Graves (thank fucking God!!) They also have a lot of money to spend with the loss of Piazza and Cameron as well as the shedding of salary from Cedeno and Stanton. This is a club that is doing some good retooling, unlike that fucking disastrous retooling of Steve Phillips in 2002. These Mets will be a fun team to watch in the next few years.

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Bulldogcakes

12-01-2005, 03:57 PM

Benson's salary 

<div>2005 Salary: $5,333,333</div>
 
Zambrano's salary
<div>2005 Salary: $2,100,000</div>
 No further questions your Honor.   
Was Carlos too costly? (http://insider.espn.go.com/mlb/insider/columns/story?columnist=stark_jayson&id=2243486&action=log in&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2f mlb%2finsider%2fcolumns%2fstory%3fcolumnist%3dstar k_jayson%26id%3d2243486)"That one surprised me," one AL executive said. "I never thought they
would give up as much as they gave up if they were going to have to eat
as much of Delgado's money as they ate. And to be honest, I don't think
there was anybody else in on him beside the Mets. I didn't think so, but it wouldn't be the first time Minaya has bid against himself. He did so with Pedro, and Beltran.  

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12-01-2005, 05:16 PM

<a href="http://insider.espn.go.com/mlb/insider/columns/story?columnist=stark_jayson&id=2243486&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fmlb %2finsider%2fcolumns%2fstory%3fcolumnist%3dstark_j ayson%26id%3d2243486" target="blank">Was Carlos too costly?</a> quote: "That one surprised me," one AL executive said. "I never thought they would give up as much as they gave up if they were going to have to eat as much of Delgado's money as they ate. And to be honest, I don't think there was anybody else in on him beside the Mets.    I didn't think so, but it wouldn't be the first time Minaya has bid against himself. He did so with Pedro, and Beltran.  <img src="http://www.silentpix.com/hottub/bulldogsig/rotate.php" border="0" /> yeah cause the yankees never overpay....how much is the giambino making again? 

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12-02-2005, 01:46 AM

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cougarjake13

12-02-2005, 03:13 PM

the marlins firesale continues as luis castillo is traded to the twins  for 2 minor leaguersand the next guy to go could be juan pierre if the post about dan patrick report is truethis makes me ask the question of what is better to havea team that's perenially a playoff team like the braves and cardinals but never wins a championshipora team that wins every few years but firesales everyone after winning and rebuilds again???(marlins) i don't know but to me i might be able to deal with the marlins scenario if i knew that after every championship they would rebuild to win the next one a few years down the road but you can't know for sure

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12-02-2005, 04:23 PM

quote:yeah cause the yankees never overpay....how much is the giambino making again? Yeah, the Yanks overdid the years on that one. The $$ were similar to the A's offer, within a million per. And
lets get one thing straight, free agents are almost ALWAYS overpaid. Its just the nature of Free agency. Its called
being the highest bidder. You gave the guy more than anyone else was willing to.  I'm just starting to wonder about Minaya as a trade maker. He had a few like this in Montreal as well. 


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HBox

12-03-2005, 10:19 PM

<a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2246996" target="_blank">Sorry Mojo, but it looks like Furcal is headed West.</a> 

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TheMojoPin

12-04-2005, 07:47 AM

Yeah, I was tracking that all night...fucking WEAK.  Anyone who tells you that wasn't all about the money is lying...who in their right mind wants to go and play for the Dodgers right now?  The only benefit to Furcal with this deal is that potentially he can get ANOTHER huge deal after three years, as long as he's still healthy and hasn't totally fallen off.Part of me is like "good riddance"...the Cubs would've had to pay at least $13 million a year for this guy, and that's ridiculous.  But at the same time, he would solved a TON of problems that really set them back last year, and in 2004.At this point, Hendry needs to buckle down and start making some serious trades...the Dodgers'll need to cut payroll, so make an easy deal for Bradley.  Trade WHATEVER it takes to pick up Abreu if he's really tradeable.  Pay BIG money for Damon, as long as he's willing to go for 5 years or less...this talk of 7 years for the Caveman is asinine and shouldn't be tolerated.  Focus on the outfield and lock that the fuck up.  And, make nice with Nomar and sign him back for a year to play SS.GODDAMMIT.

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12-04-2005, 03:08 PM

Here's the latest rumors from ESPN Insider *>Dec 4 - The New York Times reports that the Mets are in "very serious" discussions with the Marlins about acquiring catcher Paul Lo Duca. A source told the New York Post that the Marlins would receive a minor-league prospect in return for Lo Duca, 33, who will make $6.25 million in 2006. Lo Duca, a three-time All-Star, hit .283 with six home runs and 57 RBI in 2005. The Marlins' catcher, who attended Arizona State, has said he would be interested in playing for the D-Backs. But the Palm Beach Post says he has also drawn interest from Colorado and San Diego. Dec 4 - According to the Chicago Sun-Times, the Cubs are focusing on acquiring Juan Pierre from the Marlins and trading center fielder Corey Patterson. Talks with the Marlins about Pierre will be one of the Cubs' primary focuses at the winter meetings, the Sun-Times reports. Don't be surprised if Pierre fills the Yankees' center field void. According to The New York Post, the Marlins have asked for lefty Sean Henn and right-handed reliever Scott Proctor for Pierre, and the Yankees didn't reject the offer. What makes Pierre attractive is that it's likely a one-year deal, since Pierre can become a free agent after the season and the 2007 class of free-agent center fielders will include Andruw Jones, Torii Hunter and Mike Cameron.  Dec 4 - According to the St. Louis Post-Dispatch on Sunday, the Cardinals are waiting to see if AJ Burnett -- who grew up a Cardinals fan -- will decide to accept the team's four-year offer worth around $40 million. Derek Braunecker, Burnett's agent, said Saturday his client "could have a decision within 48 hours," meaning by Monday afternoon, Peter Gammons reports. Sources told the Post-Dispatch that Burnett is prepared to accept the Cardinals' offer if they could guarantee him a fifth season.  Dec 4 - The Boston Herald reported that Johnny Damon, his wife Michelle and agent Scott Boras met with Red Sox president Larry Lucchino over the weekend in Boston, but no deal was imminent. The Sox offered Damon a three-year, $28 million contract last month, but Boras is seeking a seven-year deal worth around $12 million a season for his client, the Herald reported. Dec 3 - According to the Boston Globe, the Rangers contacted the Red Sox on Friday and were willing to dangle second baseman Alfonso Soriano in a deal for Manny Ramirez. The Mets and Angels are still considered at the top of the list for Ramirez, the Hartford Courant reported. Jed Hoyer, Red Sox assistant to the general manager, said Ramirez has received strong interest from five teams and inquiries from more than a dozen. The Mets have reportedly shown the most interest, while the Angels also figure to be a trade possibility Dec 3 - According to the Fort Worth Star-Telegram, the Rangers are focusing on Barry Zito and have called the A's. The San Francisco Chronicle reports that the Rangers are offering outfielder Kevin Mench so far. Other teams believed to be suitors for the former Cy Young winner are the Mets, Dodgers, Diamondbacks, Phillies and Blue Jays. * /><img src="http://scripts.cgispy.com/image.cgi?u=BigCoop" border="0" /> 

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HBox

12-04-2005, 03:31 PM

<a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2247973" target="_blank">The Lo Duca deal seems done.</a>Loria is the worst owner in sports. He killed baseball in Montreal, and he's about to kill baseball in South Florida. MLB should force him to sell the team. It sickens me that he stumbled into the World Series win, no one deserves it less. <a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2247973" target="_blank"></a>

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12-04-2005, 05:23 PM

i can't wait for baseball to start. that 11-1 beti made for the mets to win the NL is looking better and better every day.

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Bulldogcakes

12-05-2005, 02:45 AM

The Mets will send 19-year-old right-hander Gabriel
Hernandez and another minor league pitcher to be named, the Daily News
reported.
Hernandez was 6-1 with a 2.43 ERA for Class-A
Hagerstown of the South Atlantic League, then went 2-5 with a 5.74 ERA
for Class-A St. Lucie of the Florida State League. He had a combined
131 strikeouts in 135 innings.
One decent A ball pitcher is a steal for LoDuca. Only
concern is he's 33, which is when catchers usually start to run out of
gas. I was under the impression that the YANKS offered Henn and
Proctor for Pierre. If thats what the Marlins want, it's a steal and
the Yanks are hopefully closing the deal. He's not perfect, but at that
price you cant pass him up.  

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cougarjake13

12-05-2005, 10:47 AM

with all these trades the marlins are making why didn't they trade a.j. burnett at the deadline in july and at least get something for him not that it matters much since they'll suck for the next few years

BandofBrothers

12-05-2005, 11:29 AM

they still can get compensation in 1 or 2 first round picks from Burnett's signer

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12-05-2005, 11:29 AM

they still can get compensation in 1 or 2 first round picks from Burnett's signer

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12-07-2005, 08:33 PM

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12-08-2005, 07:42 AM

More news...Renteria to Braves...Overbay to Jays... 

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12-08-2005, 12:05 PM

Actually, Brad Wilkerson might not be a Ranger for very long...Olney is reporting on his blog that the Rangers might ship him to the Blue Jays for Miggy Batista and the O-Dog... 

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12-08-2005, 06:28 PM

Miguel Tejada wants out of B'Mo http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2252946

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12-10-2005, 10:23 AM

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12-10-2005, 10:24 AM

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12-10-2005, 10:27 AM

OK, hopefully this thing is sorta fixed.  I have no idea what happened, but page 8 of this thread won't load, so if you posted something that ended up there, it's gone.Now, GAME ON!!!  Who gets Tejada?!?

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El Mudo

12-10-2005, 04:17 PM

Soriano is not going to play the outfield... 

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Bulldogcakes

12-10-2005, 05:32 PM

quote:Now, GAME ON!!! Who gets Tejada?!?

 The obvious answer is
The Red Sox, they trade Manny for him. Only trouble is Manny hasn't
said its a team he'll go to (He's a 10/5 guy) and nobody thinks he'll
be traded in the division. Especially with the unbalanced schedule.  Tejada's
contract isn't nuts. He signed for 6 years/72 mil two years ago, when
the free agent market tanked. And he's only 29. He's clearly one of the
best hitters in Baseball. Since is not a situation where the team HAS
to trade him (like AZ has to trade Vasquez) I'll guess nothing
happens. Its a pretty safe guess. Ichiro's unhappy, Carl
Pavano's unhappy, Manny's been unhappy for the past 3 years. I bet none
of them gets dealt before spring training.   

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12-10-2005, 08:13 PM

You really think the Orioles are dumb enough to trade him within their division, even if they do get Manny?

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cougarjake13

12-11-2005, 05:15 AM

there's no way that they'll trade tejada to the sawx but what about sendinh him to washington for soriano???i know the have brian roberts but maybe they'll slide him over to short or put him in the outfield.

cougarjake13

12-11-2005, 06:47 AM

matt morris might be signing with san fran or cincy <a href="http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/5157824">http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/5157824</a>

Bulldogcakes

12-11-2005, 08:33 AM

quote:You really think the Orioles are dumb enough to trade him within their division, even if they do get Manny?

quote:nobody thinks he'll be traded in the division. Especially with the unbalanced schedule As
good as both of them are, you'd have to face the guy 19x a year. And
God forbid one gets hurt, the GM would never live it down. Too high
risk to do within your division. NEITHER team would do it, I
believe.   <blockquote /> 

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Bulldogcakes

12-11-2005, 09:09 AM

<a target="blank" href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2255775"></a>
 Red Sox contact Clemens (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2255775)  quote:
When told of the Sox interest, Clemens, who was not offered arbitration by the <a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/clubhouse?team=hou">Houston Astros</a>, was said to have reacted positively, according to the paper.
"We
had an internal discussion," Sox CEO and president Larry Lucchino told
the paper, "and concluded we should make an initial call to let the
Hendricks brothers know we were open to discuss Roger's return if he
should have interest in the Red Sox in 2006 Nice
gesture, but as a Yankee fan, I dont mind at all. I dont think he can
do in the AL what he could in the NL. He was running out of gas in his
last year with the Yanks. I think he needs those easy outs you get in
the NL. And there are more pitchers parks in the NL. I think he'll get
pounded if he comes back, especially in Fenway. Good luck. 


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TheMojoPin

12-11-2005, 04:06 PM

<a href="http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/5157958" target="_blank">Cubs early favorites to land Tejada</a><li><a href="http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/5157958" target="_blank">Cubs, 3 to 1: The Orioles no doubt would ask for one of the Cubs' top starting pitchers, Mark Prior or Carlos Zambrano. The Cubs would resist, but in an expanded deal, such an exchange might make sense. </a><a href="http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/5157958" target="_blank">The Orioles could include one of their better pitching prospects — say, left-hander Adam Loewen — to ease the Cubs' loss. The Cubs then could include some of their excess — shortstop Ronny Cedeno, center fielder Corey Patterson, second baseman Todd Walker. </a><a href="http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/5157958" target="_blank">The Orioles would want more; they would be parting with a top shortstop and a top pitching prospect. Fine, give 'em another player, a quality prospect. Not center fielder Felix Pie or first baseman Brian Dopirak, but someone close to that level. </a>Man, throw Pie in there if it's necessary.  I'd much rather see him and the OTHER "top prospect," Rich Hill, go before they deal out Prior or Zambrano.  And if they do have to deal a top starter, it BETTER be Prior over Zambrano.  Wood's obviously a non-entity right now because of his history and not pitching since his last surgery.  If they can make this happen, this is HUGE.  Furcal who?  I'll settle for Neifi Perez as the starting 2nd baseman if this can happen.  They pull this, they can settle for a decent RF, or maybe even attempt to still pick up Milton Bradley and slide him to right.  Bradley, Pierre, Lee, Aramis Ramirez and Tejada in the same lineup?  Yikes.  And the infield defense would be a fucking wall.  DO IT, HENDRY.</li>

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12-12-2005, 02:43 AM

Sorry Mojo (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2256260)
<a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=5888">Miguel Tejada</a> doesn't want a trade after all.
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Three days after telling The Associated Press that he wanted "a change of scenery," the <a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/clubhouse?team=bal">Baltimore Orioles</a>' All-Star shortstop backed off those comments during a phone interview Sunday with Comcast SportsNet.
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never said I wanted to be traded," Tejada told SportsNet. "I said I
want to see a better team. I don't want to keep losing like we have the
past two years."
 
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cougarjake13

12-12-2005, 12:35 PM

matt morris signs with san fran <a href="http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/5161952">http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/5161952</a>I think that the cubs might have a shot in the central, with the couple moves they've made and cards losing morris, walker might retire, and i just don't believe that they have a great team, they just played in a shitty division with the pittiful pirates and reds, and .500 brew crew, and a cubs team that got killed by injuries.

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12-12-2005, 12:42 PM

quote: <a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2256260" target="blank">Sorry Mojo</a>quote: <a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=5888">Miguel Tejada</a> doesn't want a trade after all.<table cellspacing="0" align="right" border="0"><tr><td width="2"> </td><td width="65"><img height="90" alt="Miguel Tejada" src="http://espn.go.com/i/mlb/profiles/players/5888.jpg" width="65" align="right" border="0" /></td></tr><tr><td width="2"> </td><td width="65">Tejada</td></tr></table>Three days after telling The Associated Press that he wanted "a change of scenery," the <a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/clubhouse?team=bal">Baltimore Orioles</a>' All-Star shortstop backed off those comments during a phone interview Sunday with Comcast SportsNet."I never said I wanted to be traded," Tejada told SportsNet. "I said I want to see a better team. I don't want to keep losing like we have the past two years." What a diva <img src="http://www.silentpix.com/hottub/bulldogsig/rotate.php" border="0" /> <a href="http://bulldogcakes.tripod.com/index.html" target="blank">My site Bully Baby</a> "A dog recently saved his owner's life, because he had been trained to dial 911. Unfortunately, operators had trouble finding the address 'woof, woof.'"-Norm MacDonald There's still something to this.  Him staying with the O's has been the most likely option, but all of this doesn't happen for no reason.  The Cubs should still try and sell the idea of their farm options for Tejada if the O's wanna get serious about rebuilding.  If no go, they need to toss those prospects after Abreu. 

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