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FMJeff

11-07-2005, 11:17 PM

<a href="http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/asiapcf/11/07/australia.terror/index.html">http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/asiapcf/11/07/australia.terror/index.html</a>Here's a great battle plan. Put your cleric in every country in this world.Say they support a criminal mastermind, murdered, terrorist and fugitive. See how people respond.Do you WANT the whole world to hate you? Do you expect to win against the entire world? Please tell me...in you're sick, fucking twisted minds, do you honestly think if you put supporters around the globe applauding the efforts of madmen that people will support your cause? You're going to walk into Australia and just take over? Hate Americans or not, not everybody wants to be Muslim. It's not going to happen. It will NEVER happen. Christ all mighty i can't take this shit anymore...give up. The age of traditional muslim life is over. Western influences have arrived. People want to surf the net...women want to contribute to the world and feel safe in thier homes...it's over...you cannot turn back the clock, i'm sorry. accept change or kill yourselves. those are your options. 

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11-07-2005, 11:23 PM

My God .....I wish it was that simple....One can only hope.

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PapaBear

11-07-2005, 11:35 PM

I fear bad drivers more than terrorists. There is so much more danger involved in simple day-to-day life, than there is from terrorism. The biggest problem with terrorism, is the economic damage it causes, due to the fear it creates.

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nickeye

11-08-2005, 03:43 AM

quote: You're going to walk into Australia and just take over? Hee, hee.

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11-08-2005, 04:19 AM

quote: <a href="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/viewmessages.cfm/forum/87/topic/47436">note to islamic extremists: you're not gonna win</a>  Yes we are gonna win!<img src="http://s3.imagesubmit.com/abc_lost_sayid-320x200.jpg" border="0" />I hope they gave credit to Sayid for foiling the Terrorist's plot. I saw him do it last year on Lost, the CIA was looking for the missing C-4 and they gave Sayid information on where to find Nadia. His college roomate was so upset that Sayid set him up that he killed himself.<a href="http://www.xmradio.com/programming/channel_page.jsp?ch=202" target="_blank"><img src="http://scripts.cgispy.com/image.cgi?u=skw" border="0" /></a>

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Death Metal Moe

11-08-2005, 04:45 AM

Well, they get to play both sides.  They get to bitch about Westerners, and then get to play the victim as well.  They get sympathy and keep attacking.Hey, one half of my family is Muslim from Syria, but I've been there and they're just trying to live in these backwards countries.  I'd LOVE for them to have job opportunities and not live off the government.  My uncle had a job building a dam, and he made about 40 dollars a month.  It's sick.  There's nothing to do over there except in the military.Kill the fucking extremist.  Fucking mutilate them in the town square.  Make them suffer in public, that'll dissuade future folks.  Also, topple governments that keep their people down.  I don't want to see them invaded like Iraq, but there's other stuff that can happen.

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Knowledged_one

11-08-2005, 05:27 AM

quote:<hr color="cococo" align="left">quote: You're going to walk into Australia and just take over? Hee, hee.

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TheMojoPin

11-08-2005, 06:24 AM

Religious extremists are easily the worst people on earth.  At the very least, they don't want you to do anything fun.  Further up the ladder, they want to keep science in the dark age because it friggin' scares them.  Even worse than that, they want to kill your ass just because of what you were born as."LIGHTEN UP, FRANCIS."

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Se7en

11-08-2005, 07:14 AM

You know what I would actually like?  Help from the supposed Muslim majority who SUPPOSEDLY doesn't approve of the fundamentalists.After all, we're told that Muslims represent about 20% of the entire world's population.  And we're told that the radical extremists represent only a small fraction of that number.  So maybe if all the good, upstanding Muslims actually HELPED us get rid of the bad element, our world would be a better place.But most don't seem to be willing to do that.  Which makes me wonder if they actually support their radical brethren, or just don't fucking care.

TheMojoPin

11-08-2005, 07:19 AM

Why is a normal person obligated to do extreme things to combat extremists if they're just trying to live their lives?  You're talking like Moe's relatives are supposed to pick up weapons and go after the extremists in their countries.  Are you and I suppose to lock and load our uzis and go storm the Michigan Militia?

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TheMojoPin

11-08-2005, 07:34 AM

Let me put it this way...there are obviously many active crime syndicates here in the United States.  I live in the same country as them.  They're stealing killing, dealing drugs, smuggling...all kinds of bad shit.  Now I have made the choice to not participate in those kind of activities.  I have chosen a different life and a different moral code and I find those things wrong and have decided to have nothing to do with them and instead attempt to live a "normal life."  I do not, however, make any kind of active effort to stop them, or dismantle their organizations, or whatever you think I should be doing since I live in the same country as bad people doing bad things.  So am I a bad person?

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Tall_James

11-08-2005, 07:35 AM

So am I a bad person? Yes.  Not for those reasons though.  Primarily because you root for the Cubs.

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TheMojoPin

11-08-2005, 07:37 AM

*Hangs head*

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Sheeplovr

11-08-2005, 07:43 AM

haha a jew said Christ all mighty

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11-10-2005, 11:02 PM

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11-11-2005, 03:02 AM

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A.J.

11-11-2005, 11:04 PM

accept change or kill yourselves. those are your options.Unfortunately you are right -- those ARE their options.  When you live in a miserable, oppressive society that only teaches Quran memorization instead of any skills that will allow you to get a decent job, when your religion tells you that everything is forbidden to you, and when your culture is hypocritical and segregationalist, wouldn't YOU want to blow yourself up too?Oh, and if you DO decide to do this, be sure to take out as many non-believers as possible because that will gurantee you the paradise in death you could not achieve in life.

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FMJeff

11-13-2005, 11:07 PM

Unfortunately you are right -- those ARE their options.  When you live in a miserable, oppressive society that only teaches Quran memorization instead of any skills that will allow you to get a decent job, when your religion tells you that everything is forbidden to you, and when your culture is hypocritical and segregationalist, wouldn't YOU want to blow yourself up too?Yeah I'm gonna have to say no on this one. Sorry. Blowing myself and others off the face of the earth b/c my country sucks is just not in my list of to-do's in my oppresive government mental health handbook. I will, however, opt for "leave said country" and start over elsewhere. I hear some empathy in your voice, and if there is, I have to disagree with it...I don't care how difficult your life is...there is no excuse for killing non-combatants. An arguement can be made for suicide bombers taking out soldiers and forts...I can't dismiss that behavior b/c in thier minds they are the oppressed, the invaded. Could I blame Holocaust Jews for taking out thier jailors in similiar fashion if they had done so? But these guys don't distinguish between soldiers and civilians. It's indefensible, and the Jordanians responded exactly how they should, with outrage. These guys skipped the humanity course in Quran school and took a double major in monster and I could care less how awful thier upbringing is. You always have a choice not to kill. The shame too great? Do what the Japanese used to do. Fall on a fucking sword.

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A.J.

11-14-2005, 02:31 AM

Oh, I'm empathetic in the sense that I feel sorry for these people being born into a repressive theocracy as I would for someone born into poverty in the ghetto:  I'm sorry for your lot in life but that does not give you the right to be a violent thug.  And having spent some time in one of these countries it simply makes me understand how and where these terrorist scumbags come from.You want to spread freedom? Spread secular education.

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high fly

11-14-2005, 02:38 PM

Jeff, I understand your sentiments, but we must understand why they are doing what they are doing, and why are they attacking us and not, sayyyy, Denmark.Bin Laden & co. have for years consistently given us the reasons they do what they do.* They are attacking us because we support corrupt regimes that oppress the Muslim people.* They are attacking us because we support other regimes like Russia, China and Israel who attack Muslims.* They are attacking us because they believe we are out to cheat them out of their oil wealth. * They are attacking us because they resent American military forces on their holy land.* They are attacking us because the American troops on their holy land are attacking their fellow Muslims.What is often forgotten is that well into the 1970s, America was held in much higher regard by the Muslims of the Middle East because we stood up against the French and the Brits who tried to reestablish their colonies in the region, and we scuttled their invasion of Suez in the 50s.

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11-14-2005, 08:13 PM

quote: Let me put it this way...there are obviously many active crime syndicates here in the United States.  I live in the same country as them.  They're stealing killing, dealing drugs, smuggling...all kinds of bad shit.  Now I have made the choice to not participate in those kind of activities.  I have chosen a different life and a different moral code and I find those things wrong and have decided to have nothing to do with them and instead attempt to live a "normal life."  I do not, however, make any kind of active effort to stop them, or dismantle their organizations, or whatever you think I should be doing since I live in the same country as bad people doing bad things.  So am I a bad person? Horrible analogy.  Not comparable beyond the issue that both you and the crime syndicate are American.  Other than that one issue, they're NOT the same, and you know this.We're talking about a belief system which hundreds of millions subscribe too.  We're TOLD, repeatedly, that it's a minority of Muslims who are extremists.  Perhaps that is true.  In a broader context, even the non-extremists don't seem to be doing anything to change the more repressive aspects of their own religion.  Case in point:  if you're a female, living in a Muslim nation, you're pretty much fucked.  Hope you don't get raped by someone, otherwise you can look forward to your own family murdering you or burning you alive to preserve your family 'honor.'But I digress.  Even though the extremists are supposed to be the minority, it's like pulling teeth to find many Muslim clerics who will even CONDEMN the actions of the extremists.  More than not, even if they do condemn it, it's conditional.  "Well, it's wrong, BUT.....".  It was wrong, but they were only killing Israelis, who 'persecute' the Palestinians.  It was wrong, BUT they were just killing Americans because of American imperialism.  Excuse after excuse.It'd be nice to see more Muslim countries actively fighting against the extremists without some major event to prompt them into action, like, say, Jordan getting the shit bombed out of them.But you know, I'd settle just for the majority of Muslims to stand up and denounce the extremists.  I'd like just that.  It doesn't happen, though.  Where do the extremists get their support, financially and otherwise?  From the supposed non-extremists.  That's where your crime analogy also fails - you may not be doing anything to stop the syndicate, but you're also not supporting them by throwing money their way.Frankly, I don't give a shit that they hate us.  I don't give a shit why they hate us.  They could have every reasonable, legitimate reason in the world to do so, that does not and never will justify the murder of innocents to attack Western influences.  And because Islam is unwilling to stand up and assert that, it deserves nothing but my eternal scorn.  It's a blight upon this world.

TheMojoPin

11-14-2005, 08:21 PM

Name me one major religion that conistently and vocally en masse denounces its extremists, on ANY level.What do you expect the everday "person on the street" Muslim to do to placate you?

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FUNKMAN

11-14-2005, 08:22 PM

note to islamic extremists: you're not gonna win there's probably a few hundred thousand body parts that may have a difference of opinion

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Death Metal Moe

11-14-2005, 08:23 PM

I'm waiting for ANY Christians to denounce Pat Robertson.They all say "He's actually right, Biblically" behind the scenes, I'm sure.Fucking pukes.

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TheMojoPin

11-14-2005, 08:24 PM

Fine, you didn't like my first analogy...I'm a devout Christian and I have done absolutely nothing to publically seperate myself or denounce or stop the nutjobs that share my faith who, say, blow up abortion clinics.  Am I a bad person?  Am I doing something wrong just because I mind my own damn business and live my life and am a good person and Christian but don't attempt to go out of my to somehow satisfy the vague whims of someone from a completely different religion just so they "feel better?"

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Death Metal Moe

11-14-2005, 08:28 PM

I was actually agreeing with you Mojo.But Christianity is gay, no doubt.

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TheMojoPin

11-14-2005, 08:30 PM

And just to clarify, yes, I agree that far too many governments and religions do far too little to curtail the extremists within when it comes to religion inspired terrorism, Muslim countries and leaders especially.  I just don't like the implication that the average joe around the corner who ISN'T participating in this crap needs to go out of their way to stop the asshole that has no common sense and can't think for himself.  Isn't the first guy sending a more powerful message by just living his life "normally?"

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11-14-2005, 08:30 PM

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HBox

11-14-2005, 08:35 PM

Where do the extremists get their support, financially and otherwise?  From the supposed non-extremists.The supposed non-extremists who fill up their gas tank every single day. 

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11-14-2005, 09:42 PM

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11-15-2005, 06:41 AM

Fine, you didn't like my first analogy...I'm a devout Christian and I have done absolutely nothing to publically seperate myself or denounce or stop the nutjobs that share my faith who, say, blow up abortion clinics.  Am I a bad person? I agree with Moe in the sense that Christianity is gay, but most Christians HAVE done a good job of denouncing the extremists among them.  At this point, there are several Christian denominations that are actively supporting homosexuals, either in their efforts to be married or as ordained ministers, bishops, etc.  Christians are coming along.It should be noted that there are far, far, FAR fewer instances of an abortion clinic being blown up, for example, than a Moslem suicide bomber.  Let me clarify a bit, I suppose I should do that.  Do I believe that Joe Muhammad, Muslim extraordinaire, should individually stand up and tell me, "Gee, I sure don't like those extremists, it's not the way of Islam."?  Perhaps not.  But I feel that Muslims in general SHOULD be pressuring more of their clerics to do that.  The leaders of Islam need to stand up and do that.  Like I said, few do, and the one who do it usually put caveats on it.  They could be doing so much more to end the problem and they stand by and do nothing, and I do not believe it's because they're just living their lives, because if you take a hard look at their culture and society (and this has been done), you see that it's because many of them, in some way, support the extremists among them.  They might not be willing to strap a bomb on their backs, but it's not as if UBL is really some sort of pariah in the Muslim world.Moe:  Pat Robertson is an evil, evil human being, but his influence has severely waned over the years.  He's pretty much a joke these days.  Nowadays his time is spent scamming old ladies out of their social security checks with that goddamn 700 Club of his and occasionally making insane, insensitive comments to the media like the one he made this past week.I know Christianity is still many people's favorite whipping boy, and in some respects with good reason, but I suppose I don't quite understand how some people focus all of their negativity towards religion on Christianity, which in recent years has at least tried to become more tolerant and inclusive, and rather ignore Islam, which is 10 times today more oppressive to your personal freedoms than Christianity could dream of being.Hbox:  Trust me, no one wants us to break our dependency on foreign oil than me.  I conserve as much as I personally can, I don't drive much and I either take public transportation or just ride my bike.  The problem is that no political party in the U.S., Republican or Democrat, are offering what I would consider to be satisfactory solutions to the problem.

TheMojoPin

11-15-2005, 06:51 AM

It's easy to point to Christianity because we're discussing major religions here.  You can't chastize me for using an analogy that doesn't apply because it's so different from a major religion, and then call foul when I DO use an example from a major religion.  Besides, you can look at the evolution of Christianity over the centuries as a sign things CAN change.  The Christians could oppress and brutalize with the best of them back in the day, and that's clearly not the case now.  Just because things seem shitty now doesn't mean they can't change for the better.Besides, Christianity does provide a similar example on a smaller, usually less extreme scale.  Yes, they're not as prevelant or dangerous as Muslim extremists, but Christian extremists do exist.  And you're pointing to what ultimately is a minority in Christianity when you say they're supporting homosexuality as a lifestyle.  The LEADERS of the church are doing nothing of the sort, and are going out of their way to denounce it.  You have to hold the Christian (and more specifically, Catholic) church to the same standards as you're applying to the Muslims if you're criticizing the leadership.And again, I'm not saying that Christianity is causing as much havoc as Islam is right now, but overall I think you're grasping at strawman arguments that ultimately accomplish nothing except empty symbolism.  The strongest thing ANY person can do to combat the extremism in their social group or race or religion or whatever is to just live their lives "normally."  Lead by example...you try to get into a screaming rhetoric match with a nutjob and the nutjob will never lose because they're much better at it.  It's all they do.If the extremists are the problem, focus on them.  THEY'RE the problem.<img src="http://scripts.cgispy.com/image.cgi?u=TheMojoPin" border="0" /> Dancing with the women at the bar... << He knows his Claret from his Beaujolais >> "You can tell some lies about the good times we've had, but I've kissed your mother twice...and now I'm working on your dad..."

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FUNKMAN

11-15-2005, 07:11 AM

could it be said that the only reason there seems to be some sort of peace between Israel and the Palestinians is they have finally agreed to negotiate... do we need to get away from this mentality that we will 'never' negotiate with terrorists?  is there absolutely ZERO validity to their cause?

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Yerdaddy

11-15-2005, 07:17 AM

Horrible analogy.  Not comparable beyond the issue that both you and the crime syndicate are American.  Other than that one issue, they're NOT the same, and you know this.We're talking about a belief system which hundreds of millions subscribe too.  We're TOLD, repeatedly, that it's a minority of Muslims who are extremists.  Perhaps that is true.  In a broader context, even the non-extremists don't seem to be doing anything to change the more repressive aspects of their own religion.  Case in point:  if you're a female, living in a Muslim nation, you're pretty much fucked.  Hope you don't get raped by someone, otherwise you can look forward to your own family murdering you or burning you alive to preserve your family 'honor.'But I digress.  Even though the extremists are supposed to be the minority, it's like pulling teeth to find many Muslim clerics who will even CONDEMN the actions of the extremists.  More than not, even if they do condemn it, it's conditional.  "Well, it's wrong, BUT.....".  It was wrong, but they were only killing Israelis, who 'persecute' the Palestinians.  It was wrong, BUT they were just killing Americans because of American imperialism.  Excuse after excuse.It'd be nice to see more Muslim countries actively fighting against the extremists without some major event to prompt them into action, like, say, Jordan getting the shit bombed out of them.But you know, I'd settle just for the majority of Muslims to stand up and denounce the extremists.  I'd like just that.  It doesn't happen, though.  Where do the extremists get their support, financially and otherwise?  From the supposed non-extremists.  That's where your crime analogy also fails - you may not be doing anything to stop the syndicate, but you're also not supporting them by throwing money their way.Frankly, I don't give a shit that they hate us.  I don't give a shit why they hate us.  They could have every reasonable, legitimate reason in the world to do so, that does not and never will justify the murder of innocents to attack Western influences.  And because Islam is unwilling to stand up and assert that, it deserves nothing but my eternal scorn.  It's a blight upon this world.For the last 8 months I've lived in the most conservative part of the capitol of one of the most conservative Muslim countries in the world. I walk around in my Homer Simpson t-shirt telling everyone who asks - which is half the city by now - that I'm American. Exactly three times I've had someone tell me they didn't like Americans. All three times they were shooed away from me by other Yemenis who were embarassed by the person, even when I wasn't bothered by their opinion - because it was expressed so rarely and I was willing to talk to them about it. The Yemenis simply drove them away and apologized to me profusely, expressing the stupidity of the person.What else is their responsibility to me or to you, for that matter? Should they organize Yerdaddy-Alert patrols to guard me constantly to make sure some religious freak doesn't say something mean to me? Certainly extremism exists in Yemen. 19% of the foreign insurgents captured in Iraq are reportedly from Yemen. But the vast majority of them are from the governorates of Sa'ada and Al-Jawf - rural backwaters ruled for centuries by tribal systems that have never considered themselves a part of the nation of Yemen. The government is not welcome in Al-Jawf, and has been fighting an Islamist insurgency in Sa'ada for the last six months - triggered by the members of the tribe chanting anti-American and anti-Israeli slogans about 200 yards from my house in Old Sana'a. The government has spent a shitload of money and lives and politial capital fighting Islamists in these provinces as well as trying to bring development in there - specifically to stop them from attacking the West. Yemen has not been the target of Islamists UNTIL THEY BE

Knowledged_one

11-15-2005, 07:40 AM

Well the things do change.  After 9/11 and Al Qaeda came about, do you remember the list of terrorist organizations who we identified.  The IRA was on that list, they saw the writing on the wall and when was the last IRA attack does anyone know.  I remember growing up in the 80's and you would see an IRA bombing on the news once a week (and this was before the days of the 24-hour news channels).  When we say we won't negotiate with terrorist its more along the lines of money for prisoners or exchaning prisoners (although iran-contra pretty much let the cat out of the bag on negotiating).If the IRA gets it why cant others

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