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Dirtybird12

12-06-2005, 09:37 AM

Big-time Hollywood stars, including Jamie Foxx, Snoop Dogg and Danny Glover, are leading a high-profile campaign to persuade another big-time Hollywood star, Arnold Schwarzenegger, to save the life of a convicted murderer on California's death row named Stanley Tookie Williams.
He was convicted of the 1979 murders of four people in two separate robberies.
What does make him special, according to his supporters, is that he has been so lavishly repentant about the culture of violence he helped create.

Since about 10 years ago, Williams has been apologizing for his role in founding the Crips -- in recorded messages meant to be heard by youth groups, and in a series of children's books. A longtime supporter maintains a Web site where Williams, using the overly flowery language of a jailhouse autodidact, urges young people to stay away from gangs. True believers have even suggested him for the Nobel Peace Prize.

Tookie Williams is 51; his body has softened, his rage dissipated. The state of California will not be killing the same man it sentenced to death 24 years ago. But don't buy the argument that he's a special case, because he's not.

Dougie Brootal

12-06-2005, 09:39 AM

kill him. he killed people and nothing can fix that. not even claiming to have "found god" and trying to help other people. that doesnt do anything for the people her hurt.

Kobe8

12-06-2005, 09:39 AM

What does make him special, according to his supporters, is that he has been so lavishly repentant about the culture of violence he helped create. Wonderful.  How do the families of the people he killed in cold blood feel about that?  Their loss doesn't disappate.  Who speaks for them?

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Jennitalia

12-06-2005, 09:42 AM

i just like that his name is Tookie!

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12-06-2005, 09:52 AM

"An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind."  -GandhiSave him. 

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Furtherman

12-06-2005, 11:00 AM

Actually, the man has never showed any remorse.  Pull the lever.

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Dirtybird12

12-06-2005, 11:14 AM

I guess a better question would have been - will that dumb fuck arnold crack and grant a stay?

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12-06-2005, 11:15 AM

If he really killed 4 people they should light his ass up - 

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suggums

12-06-2005, 11:22 AM

quote:Actually, the man has never showed any remorse. 

<img border="0" src="http://www.chaoticconcepts.com/randomizer/random.php?uid=7" />Here's one example of how ignorant the above statement is:  Twenty-five years ago when I created the Crips youth gang with Raymond Lee Washington in South
Central Los Angeles, I never imagined Crips membership would one day spread throughout California,
would spread to much of the rest of the nation and to cities in South Africa, where Crips copycat gangs
have formed. I also didn't expect the Crips to end up ruining the lives of so many young people, especially
young black men who have hurt other young black men. 



Raymond was murdered in 1979. But if he were here, I believe he would be as troubled as I am by the
Crips legacy.


So today I apologize to you all -- the children of America and South Africa -- who must cope every day
with dangerous street gangs. I no longer participate in the so-called gangster lifestyle, and I deeply regret
that I ever did.


As a contribution to the struggle to end child-on-child brutality and black-on-black brutality, I have written
the Tookie Speaks Out Against Gang Violence children's book series. My goal is to reach as many
young minds as possible to warn you about the perils of a gang lifestyle.


I am no longer "dys-educated" (disease educated). I am no longer part of the problem. Thanks to the
Almighty, I am no longer sleepwalking through life.


I pray that one day my apology will be accepted. I also pray that your
suffering, caused by gang violence, will soon come to an end as more
gang members wake up and stop hurting themselves and others. 
I vow to spend the rest of my life working toward solutions. 

 Amani (Peace),

Stanley "Tookie" Williams, Surviving Crips Co-Founder, April 13, 1997 

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Kobe8

12-06-2005, 11:27 AM

More here..Dark and lonely on a summer's night - kill my landlord, kill my landlord.  Watchdog barking.  Do he bite? Kill my landlord, kill my landlord.  Slip in his window, break his neck.  Then his house I start to wreck.  Got no reason.  What the heck!  Kill my landlord.  Kill my landlord.C-I-L my land lord! Armani (Suit),  Stanley "Tookie" Williams, Surviving Crips Co-Founder, May 3, 1999

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mendyweiss

12-06-2005, 11:46 AM

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Furtherman

12-06-2005, 12:07 PM

quote:  quote: Actually, the man has never showed any remorse. <img src="http://www.chaoticconcepts.com/randomizer/random.php?uid=7" border="0" /> Here's one example of how ignorant the above statement is:  And I turn the ignorant mirror on you - he never showed any remorse for the lives he took.  Sure, he's sorry he started a gang.  But what about the people he actually killed.What about the three members of the Yang family.  Show me the remorse he had for those murders, and then you can hand that ignorant mirror back to me.

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shodan

12-06-2005, 12:50 PM

He should be kept in solitary confinement for the rest of hs life, a punishment worse than death.

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12-06-2005, 12:52 PM

quote: <img height="113" src="http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:xZ1IBCLlQDYJ:https://www.mercy.edu/" width="96" border="0" />Man, I didn't do NOTHIN!  I agreeI say Kill Tookie.... Save Mookie... 

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DarkHippie

12-06-2005, 01:03 PM

Besides the fact that execution is "cruel and unusal punishment" (what's crueler than death?),  Williams has done more than enough with his time in jail to earn a stay of execution, including brokering a peace treaty between the Bloods and the Crips.If all criminals spent their incarceration making up for their crimes instead of anally raping each other, the world would be a much better place.We're not talking about freeing him, just not killing him so he can continue his work.Besides, he had a magnificent 'fro.  Truly.

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12-06-2005, 01:23 PM

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Kobe8

12-06-2005, 01:32 PM

Look, I have no problem keeping this guy from getting the needle but I do have a problem with him being portrayed as a pacifist in line with Ghandi and Christ.  This motherfucker should suffer.  And the reason I disagree with the death penalty is that by dying, his suffering is over.  He should suffer as much as the families of his victims who have to deal with their loss every day of their lives.Stick this motherfucker in solitary.  Take away his TV.  Take away his weights.  Make him wear a pink jumpsuit with the words "MURDERING COWARD" on his back in flashing lights. Give him 3 hots and a cot and let him rot.

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zentraed

12-06-2005, 01:59 PM

first off, he's never admitted to the killings, so he can't "express remorse" for themsecond, justice is not revenge (if an eye for an eye was such a good policy, we wouldn't have a penal system)i'm
opposed to the death penalty for a number of reasons, but the fact of
the matter is: a) he's not going to kill again, and b) the work that
he's done has been much more of a deterrent to future crime than if he
had been executed 20 years ago. we gain nothing by killing him now
except revenge, and that should never be the primary motivation behind
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suggums

12-06-2005, 02:09 PM

quote:quote: Here's one example of how ignorant the above statement is: And I turn the ignorant mirror on you - he never showed any remorse for the lives he took. Sure, he's sorry he started a gang. But what about the people he actually killed.What about the three members of the Yang family. Show me the remorse he had for those murders, and then you can hand that ignorant mirror back to me.

 My point was Tookie has shown remorse for his crimes.  Now you're getting specific to the murders that put him in jail.  Considering this guy co-founded the Crips, I'd bet he killed more people in his heyday than just the four he was charged with, and who knows how many other horrid crimes he commit.  It was a part of that gangster lifestyle that he no longer believes in and fights against from the confines of a jail cell, when he could just as easily sit around and not give a shit about his legacy.  Executing him 20+ years after the fact doesn't change what happened, and doesn't bring the dead back.  Refer to my quote above from the Mahatma. Letting him live would allow more chances for his powerful message of anti-gang violence to spread, particularly to future generations.Isn't personal reformation the real point of jail sentences, regardless of how often it doesn't work?  

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Se7en

12-06-2005, 02:39 PM

Fry him.And while you're at it, let's kill two birds with one stone and sit Mumia's worthless ass on Tookie's lap when they pull the switch.  Two shitty excuses for human beings gone at the same time, at half the cost of the taxpayer's money.  And I turn the ignorant mirror on you - he never showed any remorse for the lives he took.  Sure, he's sorry he started a gang.  But what about the people he actually killed.In all fairness, he can't show remorse.  That would ruin that little gimmick of his about how he never killed anyone, he was just unfairly prosecuted / convicted by the racist criminal justice system.I swear to God, Arnold has been fucking up in Cali a lot lately, but he'd better get THIS one right.  Kill this SOB.

FUNKMAN

12-06-2005, 02:42 PM

bullet to the head and be done with him

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12-06-2005, 02:50 PM

I say kill the son of a bitch.   So who's Tookie? 

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mdr55

12-06-2005, 03:27 PM

How can he be helping the youth of america if the youths can't read.
It's all a scam. They ain't reading his stuff, cuz to them he's a
sellout preaching peace and shit. He ain't saving anyone but himself.
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Kobe8

12-06-2005, 03:58 PM

he's not going to kill againHow the hell do you know that to be true and how can you make a statement like that?  Can you see into the soul of the man because you read a few children's books that he wrote?Motherfucker killed people.  He is a piece of shit.  Chemically castrate him.  Tattoo the word "Murderer" on his forehead. I love how you can make a statement like that when in actuality you'd be calling the cops if this guy was loitering anywhere near where you live.

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Death Metal Moe

12-06-2005, 04:08 PM

I hope he doesn't get killed so that some big guy rapes him SAVAGLY and he dies of AIDS a few years later, sitting around in his robe sipping broth.  All criminals are "REALLY SORRY."  They might be sorry the instant after they pulled the trigger, but the reality is they're the kind of person who would do it.  We don't need those kids of people anymore.

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A.J.

12-06-2005, 09:55 PM

This guy didn't just kill people, he helped to destroy other lives and whole communities by helping to found a gang that continues to perpetuate a cycle of violence, crime, lost youth and urban decay to this day.  Fuck him.

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Yerdaddy

12-07-2005, 04:26 AM

I read some articles on Tookie and it sounds to me like he is worth more alive than dead. People who work with gangs say he has an impact. They say kids in gang-effected neighborhoods listen to him. He's not being dismissed as a sell-out. In those parts of the country, that's the way it works - the people who went through the life have the credibility to talk kids out of joining or staying in gangs. Some cracker-ass like me talking to them - I might as well be a sock puppet. But the founder of the Crips speaking and writing books against gangs - that's valuable in the real world of kids who might joing a gang. What good could his execution possibly serve that outweighs the possiblility that keeping him alive could prevent more crimes? Revenge is little more than emotional masturbation if it doesn't serve the interests of past, present, and especially future victims. Let him keep working from inside his prison cell. I think he's worth more alive than dead, and the people he might save would think so too if they knew it. 

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sr71blackbird

12-07-2005, 02:38 PM

Keeping him alive in jail costs us more money than killing him.  Imagine the familys knowing some of their tax money is keeping their loved ones killer alive, fed and housed for the rest of his life?  If you knew you would die for killing someone, youd be more likely to not kill.  Furthermore, if you were convicted of killing and knew you were on death row, wouldnt you try and say you reformed to keep yourself alive?

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12-07-2005, 03:00 PM

I agree with sr71.  Kill the son of a bitch.  In the end, the
guy will die anyway.  The only difference it that it costs tons
more to keep the guy locked up.  I honestly don't care about his
emotional suffering in solitary confimenet cuz when the guy dies...
he's dead like everyone else. 

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12-07-2005, 04:56 PM

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12-08-2005, 04:27 AM

quote: Keeping him alive in jail costs us more money than killing him.  Imagine the familys knowing some of their tax money is keeping their loved ones killer alive, fed and housed for the rest of his life?  If you knew you would die for killing someone, youd be more likely to not kill.  Furthermore, if you were convicted of killing and knew you were on death row, wouldnt you try and say you reformed to keep yourself alive? <img src="http://www.chaoticconcepts.com/randomizer/random.php?uid=8" border="0" /> My Thanks to Just Jon, Reefdwella, ADF, Yerdaddy,Monsterone and Katylina for the sig-pic help and creation!Which Witch Wished Which Wicked Wish?<a href="http://www.myspace.com/sr71black" target="blank">SR71 on MySpace</a>The appeals process for a death sentence makes it more costly to kill a person than to keep him in jail for the rest of their life - and most death row inmates die of natural causes. (And before anyone says just kill them sooner, you need to consider the situation of a family that sees their loved one's killer executed only to find that not only did the real killer not get convicted, but another innocent life was taken. If you lessen appeals process, you make this hypothetical tradgedy more likely.)There are many ways in which the family of a murder victim suffers. But you can't base all your legal decisions on what you assume would make the victims feel better - and there are plenty of examples of victims' families forgiving and aksing for leniency for the perpetrator, or opposed to the death penalty. This guy didn't just say he was reformed. His work actually exists in the form of several series of books and videos for kids and teenagers at risk, and a history of active involvement in negotiations between gangs and of training police and other officials on how to deal with gang violence. So the question then is: do we sacrafice the chance that other lives could be saved by this guy's work for the possible emotional benefit of the past victims' families and ourselves? I say utilitarianism, in this case, is the only moral choice.

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JPMNICK

12-08-2005, 04:51 AM

I have to disagree with the statement that he is worth more alive than dead because youths in gangs really listen to him.  I am sure they sit down and hear what he is saying, but I do not think it really makes an impact. It may for that day, or for a week, but eventually they will get back into the gang life. Its like when you go see a motivational speaker, or start a diet. You are all pumped up for a little, but it fades and you go back to the old lifestyle.  Those kids choose gangs becuase they have nothing and come from nothing. It is not "cool" where they are from to do well in school and try and make it out of the ghetto with education. The only way to get out is rapping, selling drugs or playing ball. Education is not even spoken about. My mom works with gang members in newark, and i have been around this type of stuff my whole life.  They are animals. They kill inncocent people, they kill each other, and they kill themselves with the lifestyle they have choose to lead.  It is sad that most have such destiude home lives, but it is possible to overcome. If you just apply yourself to school, almost any innnercity kid can get a full scholarship to college and then have an out. I have seen people do it, but they are never put on the front page and they never make a rap CD to talk about it. What they do get is ostracised from the community for conforming to what society (i.. white people) have set out for them to do.  Gangs gives these kids a sense of family and community. This Tookie guy prayed on the weak minds of these children to turn them into killers. Fuck him and his stupid childrens books. He is second hand responsible for the murders of hundreds, and indirectly responsible for holding the people he organized down. He is not sorry, he loves this media attention and he loves to be in the news. He started a gang so people would love him, and once he was in jail and he did not have the street admiration like he once did he changed in order to get it from others. He is someone who seeks vindication in the arms of strangers and basks in compliments and power. He should be killed as to not feed that part of him.  

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12-08-2005, 05:32 AM

quote:I have to disagree with the statement that he is worth more alive than dead because youths in gangs really listen to him. Gangs gives these kids a sense of family and
community. This Tookie guy prayed on the weak minds of these children
to turn them into killers. Fuck him and his stupid childrens books. 
First a statistic: The California death penalty system costs taxpayers more than
$114 million a year beyond the cost of simply keeping the convicts
locked up for life. The death penalty is expensive because certainty isn't often a guarantee.And
what is the point of killing people if it doesn't deter crime? Justice
is not revenge, nor is death punishment (I'm an atheist). I made the
comment earlier that he's not going to kill anyone because he'll be
behind bars for the rest of his life, and the odds are heavily against
it. Of the millions of Americans who spend time in prison, what
percentage of those murder someone while they're there?The calls
for revenge and rapes and locking away and torturing prisoners, those
are great ideas. Except that only about 1 in 11 prisoners are lifers.
These people are leaving that environment and coming back into society.
But what the hell, let's just keep giving them $40,000 a year to do
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A.J.

12-08-2005, 05:47 AM

It is sad that most have such destiude home lives, but it is possible to overcome. If you just apply yourself to school, almost any innnercity kid can get a full scholarship to college and then have an out. I have seen people do it, but they are never put on the front page and they never make a rap CD to talk about it. What they do get is ostracised from the community for conforming to what society (i.. white people) have set out for them to do. "WU TANG!""WU TANG!"<img height="117" src="http://www.chappellecenter.com/seasontwo/episodes/images/207_3.jpg" width="156" border="0" />

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Furtherman

12-08-2005, 06:56 AM

quote: (And before anyone says just kill them sooner, you need to consider the situation of a family that sees their loved one's killer executed only to find that not only did the real killer not get convicted, but another innocent life was taken. If you lessen appeals process, you make this hypothetical tradgedy more likely.)Yea, but with the advances in DNA identifying getting better every year.... I'm in trouble! 

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12-08-2005, 07:34 AM

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MilkmanDann

12-08-2005, 08:08 AM

quote: This guy didn't just kill people, he helped to destroy other lives and whole communities by helping to found a gang that continues to perpetuate a cycle of violence, crime, lost youth and urban decay to this day.  Fuck him.<img src="http://img40.photobucket.com/albums/v124/Canofsoup15/Sigs/AJinDC-Sig.jpg" border="0" /> A Skidmark/canofsoup15 production.Red Sox Nation Pretty much sums up my thoughts also. The people hes killed indirectly are probably uncountable. For all those that want him released, let him live with you on house arrest and have a blast.

SatCam

12-09-2005, 04:14 PM

I'm pretty sure all they want is clemency from the death penalty, not being released from prison. 

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12-11-2005, 04:35 PM

He's going to die on Tuesday.  Imagine knowing you were going to die in 48 hours?Goodnight Mr. Tookie - <img height="914" src="http://members.tripod.com/~Motomom/electric.JPG" width="563" border="0" />    <a href="http://www.thecosmiccircus.com/"><img src="http://www.thecosmiccircus.com/sigpics/wiz.jpg" border="0" /></a> <a href="http://www.perrynoid.com/" target="blank">Perrynoid</a>

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FUNKMAN

12-11-2005, 08:29 PM

He's going to die on Tuesdaythat's how the tookie crumbles

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mendyweiss

12-12-2005, 06:50 AM

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Dirtybird12

12-12-2005, 08:55 AM

Does anyone know where Arnold stood on the death penalty before the Tookie situation came to light?

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JimBeam

12-12-2005, 09:17 AM

Of course he's sorry now.Who wouldnt be sory if they knew the alternative was being put to death.Sure he wrotes ome books because I mean what else was he gonn do ?He had a lot of free time so might as well do something productive especially if it may keep you from the needle.As far as the books themselves go I don't care if he a wrote a book on how to cure cancer he took 4 lives and now we need to make him pay his tab.As much as the death penalty may not deter crime, sparing this guys life wouldn't stop the next crime either so shoot him up.

I have balls !!!

mendyweiss

12-12-2005, 12:08 PM

<img height="118" src="http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:ne1bS8yXGc0J:www.monika-grossmann.de/arnold/images/conan" width="85" border="0" />4:00 p.m. 12/12/05 Clemency denied to Tookie by Gov.

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FUNKMAN

12-12-2005, 12:32 PM

4:00 p.m. 12/12/05 Clemency denied to Tookie by Gov. Arnold was quoted as saying " you are one dead mother fucker "  actually it's a sad list of events... i feel it's fair punishment. he actually is getting the best of the bargain being he is giving just one life for several he has taken. he should take some comfort in the fact he was able to help others with the time he lived after the crime. the time the victims never had. he should personally accept his punishment...deep thoughts by Funkman

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Dirtybird12

12-12-2005, 01:21 PM

It's about time someone showed a little balls around here. Good for Arnold. Tookie was and is a dumb fucking thug who fucked up and spent his life manipulating the system and it caught up to him. you break the law - you pay. Sometimes the ultimate price depending on what you did. he wrote books and found god and all that other bullshit that prisoners do when they get busted.... for the wrong reasons. He did all those "good things" because he was caught and sentenced to die.. He did it to save his ass. 

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Se7en

12-12-2005, 01:33 PM

Arnold did the right thing, for once.But, no one should give him too much grief over this.  Know why?  Because the 9th Circuit told Tookie to go piss up a rope too, so this is pretty much a bipartisan death sentence.

TheMojoPin

12-12-2005, 06:20 PM

So if criminals don't reform after they've been tossed in prison...fuck 'em.And if they DO reform while in prison...fuck 'em.Right.Got it.

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12-12-2005, 06:23 PM

quote: So if criminals don't reform after they've been tossed in prison...fuck 'em.And if they DO reform while in prison...fuck 'em.Right.Got it.<img src="http://scripts.cgispy.com/image.cgi?u=TheMojoPin" border="0" /> Dancing with the women at the bar... << He knows his Claret from his Beaujolais >> "You can tell some lies about the good times we've had, but I've kissed your mother twice...and now I'm working on your dad..."Thank GOD you finally got your head out of your ass.  Bravo. 

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12-12-2005, 06:27 PM

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scottinnj

12-12-2005, 06:30 PM

I of course vote to not grant clemency.  Clemency is reserved for when there is doubt in judicial proceedures during a capital murder case where the defendant is facing the death penalty.  No mistakes were made, and all the judges, conservative and liberal have let the verdict and penalty stand.  There is no doubt here, and this man is why there is a death penalty.  His apology is hollow, he is "sorry" for forming the Crips and is working to stop children from being involved with gangs and criminal activity.  All well and good, but at the same time raping fellow convicts in jail (Gangsta Fag?) and never admitting to or apologizing for the crimes he is convicted for and facing death for.We are not killing a human being.  We are putting down an animal that cannot be in public.

suggums

12-12-2005, 06:32 PM

He said he's not having anything for his last meal.  Didn't feel like feeding from the hand that was about to kill him. Cool flash:http://www.privatehand.com/flash/request.html

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12-12-2005, 06:34 PM

quote: quote:Actually, the man has never showed any remorse. 

<img border="0" src="http://www.chaoticconcepts.com/randomizer/random.php?uid=7" />Here's one example of how ignorant the above statement is: Twenty-five years ago when I created the Crips youth gang with Raymond Lee Washington in South
Central Los Angeles, I never imagined Crips membership would one day spread throughout California,
would spread to much of the rest of the nation and to cities in South Africa, where Crips copycat gangs
have formed. I also didn't expect the Crips to end up ruining the lives of so many young people, especially
young black men who have hurt other young black men. 



Raymond was murdered in 1979. But if he were here, I believe he would be as troubled as I am by the
Crips legacy.


So today I apologize to you all -- the children of America and South Africa -- who must cope every day
with dangerous street gangs. I no longer participate in the so-called gangster lifestyle, and I deeply regret
that I ever did.


As a contribution to the struggle to end child-on-child brutality and black-on-black brutality, I have written
the Tookie Speaks Out Against Gang Violence children's book series. My goal is to reach as many
young minds as possible to warn you about the perils of a gang lifestyle.


I am no longer "dys-educated" (disease educated). I am no longer part of the problem. Thanks to the
Almighty, I am no longer sleepwalking through life.


I pray that one day my apology will be accepted. I also pray that your
suffering, caused by gang violence, will soon come to an end as more
gang members wake up and stop hurting themselves and others. 
I vow to spend the rest of my life working toward solutions. 

 Amani (Peace),

Stanley "Tookie" Williams, Surviving Crips Co-Founder, April 13, 1997 

<img border="0" src="http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/7087/suggumsmaxpayne4ry.jpg" />   I'll Say it again.  He apologized for forming the Crips, as is well stated in the quote above.  Where is the apology to the families or even the admission of guilt?  There is none, nor is there remorse for what he did.An apology like that is like if I got drunk, stole a car and killed a kid on the road, then apologized for getting drunk which started all the problems in the first place.  <blockquote />

scottinnj

12-12-2005, 06:39 PM

quote:Besides the fact that execution is "cruel and unusal punishment" (what's crueler than death?), Williams has done more than enough with his time in jail to earn a stay of execution, including brokering a peace treaty between the Bloods and the Crips.If all criminals spent their incarceration making up for their crimes instead of anally raping each other, the world would be a much better place.We're not talking about freeing him, just not killing him so he can continue his work.Besides, he had a magnificent 'fro. Truly.

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scottinnj

12-12-2005, 06:44 PM

quote:I have to disagree with the statement that he is worth more alive than dead because youths in gangs really listen to him. I am sure they sit down and hear what he is saying, but I do not think it really makes an impact. It may for that day, or for a week, but eventually they will get back into the gang life. Its like when you go see a motivational speaker, or start a diet. You are all pumped up for a little, but it fades and you go back to the old lifestyle. Those kids choose gangs becuase they have nothing and come from nothing. It is not "cool" where they are from to do well in school and try and make it out of the ghetto with education. The only way to get out is rapping, selling drugs or playing ball. Education is not even spoken about. My mom works with gang members in newark, and i have been around this type of stuff my whole life. They are animals. They kill inncocent people, they kill each other, and they kill themselves with the lifestyle they have choose to lead. It is sad that most have such destiude home lives, but it is possible to overcome. If you just apply yourself to school, almost any innnercity kid can get a full scholarship to college and then have an out. I have seen people do it, but they are never put on the front page and they never make a rap CD to talk about it. What they do get is ostracised from the community for conforming to what society (i.. white people) have set out for them to do. Gangs gives these kids a sense of family and community. This Tookie guy prayed on the weak minds of these children to turn them into killers. Fuck him and his stupid childrens books. He is second hand responsible for the murders of hundreds, and indirectly responsible for holding the people he organized down. He is not sorry, he loves this media attention and he loves to be in the news. He started a gang so people would love him, and once he was in jail and he did not have the street admiration like he once did he changed in order to get it from others. He is someone who seeks vindication in the arms of strangers and basks in compliments and power. He should be killed as to not feed that part of him. 

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TheMojoPin

12-12-2005, 06:47 PM

How is execution "cruel and unusual?"*Slams head against the wall*

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Death Metal Moe

12-12-2005, 06:49 PM

You know you can't tell kids ANYTHING.  We all knew it all back then.  I'm being serious here, kids at the age where they're going to join a gang probably don't think they'll ever get caught and they'll be the guy who gets out when he's old, taken care of by the gang or some insane shit.I hope this guy dies slowly.

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TheMojoPin

12-12-2005, 06:50 PM

So why bother with prison at all?  If everyone who is going to maybe become a criminal is doomed to do so no matter what, whats the fucking point?

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Death Metal Moe

12-12-2005, 06:51 PM

I'll Say it again.  He apologized for forming the Crips, as is well stated in the quote above.  Where is the apology to the families or even the admission of guilt?  There is none, nor is there remorse for what he did.An apology like that is like if I got drunk, stole a car and killed a kid on the road, then apologized for getting drunk which started all the problems in the first place.Thank  you.This piece of shit started to act sorry about the whoe gang part, but never said he was sorry about the killings that put him in the slammer.And let me be the 1st to say I would want him dead if he fully admitted to the killings and apologized to every family in person.

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12-12-2005, 06:52 PM

quote: So why bother with prison at all?  If everyone who is going to maybe become a criminal is doomed to do so no matter what, whats the fucking point? <img src="http://scripts.cgispy.com/image.cgi?u=TheMojoPin" border="0" /> Dancing with the women at the bar... << He knows his Claret from his Beaujolais >> "You can tell some lies about the good times we've had, but I've kissed your mother twice...and now I'm working on your dad..." Oh you Libs and your fancy talk. 

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HBox

12-12-2005, 06:53 PM

I can't believe how knowledgable this board full of white people living mainly in the northeast is about LA gang culture. 

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suggums

12-12-2005, 06:54 PM

quote: Where is the apology to the families or even the admission of guilt? There is none, nor is there remorse for what he did.  

Remorse, as well as an apology, lies upon admission of guilt.  You answered your own question.  He never has admitted guilt to these crimes, and while I'm sure he commit many, I'm NOT sure he commit these.   Are you saying that if all he had to say is "fine, im sorry for these murders" it would really make a difference when he's been claiming innocence all these years?  

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scottinnj

12-12-2005, 06:56 PM

quote:So why bother with prison at all? If everyone who is going to maybe become a criminal is doomed to do so no matter what, whats the fucking point?

    Begin your response here... Who said anyone was doomed to become a criminal?  There is free will, and choices.  You choose to do things, and society chooses appropriate punishments.  If you commit a crime because of desperation (LOOTING DURING A HURRICANE) there are laws already on the books granting you immunity from prosecution, if you loot items to sustain life.  If you loot color TVs and liquor, you go to jail if prosecuted and found guilty. Just being poor and stupid doesn't automatically make you a criminal, nor is it an excuse to become one.

scottinnj

12-12-2005, 07:00 PM

quote:I can't believe how knowledgable this board full of white people living mainly in the northeast is about LA gang culture.    Of course we know it all.  You all have been ramming the LA gang culture down our throats for 15 years and saying "we just telling our story"  You tell us the stories, starting with NWA and all the following bullshit rappers "telling it like it is" and we believe it.  You gave us the knowledge, now live with the consequences of how you presented yourselves. <blockquote />

HBox

12-12-2005, 07:02 PM

Of course we know it
all.  You all have been ramming the LA gang culture down our throats
for 15 years and saying "we just telling our story"  You
tell us the stories, starting with NWA and all the following bullshit
rappers "telling it like it is" and we believe it.  You gave us the
knowledge, now live with the consequences of how you presented
yourselves.Are you talking to me? 

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Death Metal Moe

12-12-2005, 07:04 PM

quote: I can't believe how knowledgable this board full of white people living mainly in the northeast is about LA gang culture. <img src="http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/4544/newsig2ki.jpg" border="0" /> This message was edited by HBox on 12-12-05 @ 10:54 PM Oh OK.  Only you OG's from back in the day can talk then.  We'll all shut up so you and your scary knowledge of the world can school us.

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suggums

12-12-2005, 07:04 PM

Well no one is around who the fuck else would I be talkin to? 

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scottinnj

12-12-2005, 07:04 PM

quote:quote:Of course we know it
all. You all have been ramming the LA gang culture down our throats
for 15 years and saying "we just telling our story" You
tell us the stories, starting with NWA and all the following bullshit
rappers "telling it like it is" and we believe it. You gave us the
knowledge, now live with the consequences of how you presented
yourselves. Are you talking to me?Not you in particular.  Just the statement.  I admit I got personal on my response. I aplogizeScott

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12-12-2005, 07:05 PM

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12-12-2005, 07:06 PM

quote: quote:Are you talking to me? <img width="426" height="399" border="0" src="http://1.im.cz/n/photo/01/94/93tcyje-original.jpg" />

<img border="0" src="http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0UQCRAl4WyHLYmr7dmRaNq9LkFDSutySVXtZT%212DBFo9cdLL OyT0wW*F93FRtcPlf*xMPhVXRGqhe6SJySdgLcTKyu%21jrvKb U%21duNFBLOnRJxEbhL0qxR9qln3GX9xzMO/FUNKMAN.JPG?dc=4675521713262985004" /> Begin your response here...how the hell can you post this so quick?  Damn funny

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12-12-2005, 07:08 PM

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HBox

12-12-2005, 07:11 PM

Oh OK.  Only you OG's from
back in the day can talk then.  We'll all shut up so you and your scary
knowledge of the world can school us.I'm not the one making declarations that nothing will stop these kids from entering gangs so we shouldn't even try. 

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scottinnj

12-12-2005, 07:12 PM

quote:my wife calls me the minute man... cause there isn't a minute that goes by where i don't satisfy her<img border="0" src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/king.gif" />

 Now you're just being silly.  Speaking of wives, my wife is never satisfied.  From midnight to 8 am my beer gut goes away, and I sport a 12 inch rod.  Too bad my wife works 8pm to 8am

TheMojoPin

12-12-2005, 07:15 PM

Of course we know it all. You all have been ramming the LA gang culture down our throats for 15 years and saying "we just telling our story" You tell us the stories, starting with NWA and all the following bullshit rappers "telling it like it is" and we believe it. You gave us the knowledge, now live with the consequences of how you presented yourselves.I'd be a dirty fucking liar if I said this was surprising.

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scottinnj

12-12-2005, 07:20 PM

quote:quote:Of course we know it all. You all have been ramming the LA gang culture down our throats for 15 years and saying "we just telling our story" You tell us the stories, starting with NWA and all the following bullshit rappers "telling it like it is" and we believe it. You gave us the knowledge, now live with the consequences of how you presented yourselves. I'd be a dirty fucking liar if I said this was surprising.

  Never said for you to be surprised.  Read it again.  If black Americans allow their community to be represented by gangsta rap, it should be NO SURPRISE when white Americans react the way we do. 
 Begin your response here...

mdr55

12-12-2005, 07:22 PM

But alot of white youth like to act black. 

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scottinnj

12-12-2005, 07:23 PM

quote:quote:quote:Of course we know it all. You all have been ramming the LA gang culture down our throats for 15 years and saying "we just telling our story" You tell us the stories, starting with NWA and all the following bullshit rappers "telling it like it is" and we believe it. You gave us the knowledge, now live with the consequences of how you presented yourselves. I'd be a dirty fucking liar if I said this was surprising.

 Never said for you to be surprised. Read it again. If black Americans allow their community to be represented by gangsta rap, it should be NO SURPRISE when white Americans react the way we do.   And I am talking specifically about the "gangsta" lifestyle.  Gangsta rappers have gotten to where heavy metal bands got to in 1990...they have become caricatures of what they used to be and look like clowns. <blockquote />

NewYorkDragons80

12-12-2005, 07:27 PM

He should be saved for two reasons:1) The government should not have the right to kill its own citizens (with the exception of law enforcement self-defense)2) The results of Tookie dying could lead to the death of more innocent people if the people of LA start a riot over this. 

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scottinnj

12-12-2005, 07:36 PM

quote:He should be saved for two reasons:1) The government should not have the right to kill its own citizens (with the exception of law enforcement self-defense)2) The results of Tookie dying could lead to the death of more innocent people if the people of LA start a riot over this. 

"To insist on strength is not war-mongering. It is peace-mongering." -Senator Barry M. Goldwater "If gold should rust, what will iron do?" -Geoffrey Chaucer "Worship him, I beg you, in a way that is worthy of thinking beings.-Romans 12:1
 You're first point I don't agree with....The government is who the people elect and are accountable to us. The jury who convicted Tookie to death IS the people, and they had every right to "jury nullification" if they chose to.  They chose not to, and chose to agree with the law passed by those elected by the people. Your second point may be one to ponder when considering clemency, and if there is a riot and the people of California turn against the death penalty, then the lawmakers of California have an obligation to eliminate the death penalty in California.BTW, an apology to all I respond to.  I am deleting the "avatars" in your original posts when I quote you, nothing personal, just trying to be able to upload responses quicker to keep pace with the overall thread.

Dirtybird12

12-12-2005, 08:04 PM

Anyone else getting ready for the good ole riots to start? This should be good. <img height="208" src="http://www.michigan.gov/images/BK3p31FamilyPopcornScaryMov_121373_7.jpg" width="250" border="0" />A witness testified during the trial that Tookie Williams mocked the gurgling sounds one of his victims made as he lay dying.I think killing this fucking loser will do more for kids than a book. Besides whens the last time you saw a gang member with a fucking book.  they can barely speek. man i hate dum peeple Hey kids - you can join gangs, kill innocent people, and when a jury finds you guilty and sentences you to death, you can write a book and be forgiven ... yeah great message for kids. Kill this fuck and put it on pay-per view and send the money to the victims families. How did this guy become the victim?  All the focus is on HIM. what about the dead people who were slaughtered?<a href="http://www.thecosmiccircus.com/"><img src="http://www.thecosmiccircus.com/sigpics/wiz.jpg" border="0" /></a> <a href="http://www.perrynoid.com/" target="blank">Perrynoid</a>

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12-12-2005, 09:30 PM

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A.J.

12-13-2005, 12:21 AM

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BeerBandit

12-13-2005, 01:51 AM

Who's Next? 


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12-13-2005, 05:21 AM

Is it too late to vote in this poll?

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East Side Dave

12-13-2005, 05:40 AM

quote: I wonder what he'll order for his last meal?<img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/huh.gif" border="0" />  At this point he should get a defibrillator on rye!

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Death Metal Moe

12-13-2005, 06:09 AM

Score one for DEATH!!!See you in hell Tookie!  FUCK OFF!

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phixion

12-13-2005, 06:59 AM

since i am the only one i know of on this board with a close family member in a correctional facility i feel i can give some kind of perspective, first of all the reason why tookie won't admit thats he's sorry is because he doesnt want to admit guilt because then he would have no chance of clemency or appeal. he never admittted to doing it so let's take afar leap outside of reality and suppose the legal system has made errors. like perhaps the person who said Tookie was proud of the murders couldnt he be some guy the DA found who had something against tookie? lord knows no one has ever committed perjury after be being urged on by the DA.  and im not saying that tookie is innocent im saying that just because he convicted does mean he is guilty and if we as a people sit idly by and accept every conviction unquestionably where does that leave us as a people? i just want to add this. its an excerpt of a paper i wrote a couple years ago: This is perhaps even scarier than the assassinations themselves for this expediency of “justice” contradicts with the entire premise of our justice system, innocent until proven guilty… burden of proof is on the state, what do these cornerstones of out justice system really stand for? To me I see it like this, we as a people and as a nation would rather see a guilty man go free than see an innocent man go to jail

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JimBeam

12-13-2005, 07:30 AM

So as long as he continues to lie about actually commiting the crimes we should consider clemency ?As far as not putting him to death because you're scared of the ramifications is the most ridiculous point ever.So now you let thugs and the threat of violence keep you from maintaining order ?What if they start rioting because we are arresting criminals should we then do away with that just in case ?

I have balls !!!

suggums

12-13-2005, 07:43 AM

quote:So as long as he continues to lie about actually commiting the crimes we should consider clemency ?Because you know exactly what happened to those people and for sure he was lying. 

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mendyweiss

12-13-2005, 07:46 AM

<img height="74" src="http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:mAh1kCTa6dgJ:arsiv.hurriyetim.com.tr/genc/hobi" width="116" border="0" />I come to bury Tookie, not praise him!

I say sweeping the pockets of the Dutchman was not Mob business!

JimBeam

12-13-2005, 07:57 AM

Yeah you're right.He probably didn't do it.It was the vast right wing conspiracy that put him in jail so that they could execute him 25 years later.You figured it out.

I have balls !!!

Death Metal Moe

12-13-2005, 07:58 AM

<img height="338" src="http://www.nndb.com/people/685/000022619/arnold-stogie-med.jpg" width="245" border="0" />"We'll take Tookie's car.  He won't be needing it."

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suggums

12-13-2005, 08:07 AM

I didn't say I knew.I didn't claim anything, that's why I don't think it's my place to say he should've been killed.My point is you don't know the truth just as much as I don't.  Tookie's the only one that did. 

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Dirtybird12

12-13-2005, 08:13 AM

quote: I didn't say I knew.I didn't claim anything, that's why I don't think it's my place to say he should've been killed.My point is you don't know the truth just as much as I don't.  Tookie's the only one that did. Point well taken. Nobody knows for sure. OK,  I say don't kill him. I take it back. My bad.  

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Se7en

12-13-2005, 08:36 AM

2) The results of Tookie dying could lead to the death of more innocent people if the people of LA start a riot over this. Hmm, hours after his death and L.A. sure doesn't SEEM to be burning to the ground....The guy on KFI's online stream was great last night, he was just about bursting a blood vessel, and for a good cause. He was on an O'Reilly style tirade, but going on about how the media has made Tookie a celebrity and because of that, and because of the Governor's delay, they'd made a situation out of nothing. Then he went on about how this is the last possible situation where you'd even want clemency, but a bunch of fools have made it seem like it was worthwhile. THEN he verbally bitchslapped Rita Cosby for "giving softball interviews for murderers." The best part...the really great part....was when he was talking about the protesting crowd right in front of them and saying they don't have a clue. He interviewed people in the crowd and the pro-Tookie idiots couldn't even name one of the victims. And then the woman next to him just said "Oh good lord." LOL. He was bitching about them endlessly.  I cackled with glee when he started busting on Jesse Jackson, who also can't name a single victim. I'd like to shake the guy's hand.  He had a tremendously great quote, about the 'save Tookie' folks:  "They're arguements are completely intellectually bankrupt. You can't have forgiveness for a guy who doesn't have forgiveness for the people he's killed. If we can't put Tookie Williams to death, we can't put anyone to death."  Goddamn right.  The adulation of Tookie was just fucking ridiculous. He's redeemed himself?! He felt a LITTLE bad (not bad enough to, say, apologize for his crimes, or give up some fellow Crips) about killing four people (and come on, it was probably more.) He wrote a couple of children's books with the aid of an author?  That's enough to spare that shitstain's life?  Christ, people.  If JK fucking Rowling walked up to a gas station and executed a few people, should we let her off too?

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12-13-2005, 08:46 AM

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Death Metal Moe

12-13-2005, 08:50 AM

Hey Govenor, how did denying Tookie's last plea make you feel?<img height="151" src="http://www.gillinator.com/images/T2smile.gif" width="200" border="0" />

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suggums

12-13-2005, 09:08 AM

"I had to fire him." 

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Yosammity

12-13-2005, 09:46 AM

Personally, I'm opposed to the death penalty, but if you've got one, then Tookie's a great candidate for it.

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mendyweiss

12-13-2005, 09:51 AM

He passed on having a last meal. He drank milk and read. Tookie and milk. Oh well

I say sweeping the pockets of the Dutchman was not Mob business!

Kobe8

12-13-2005, 09:51 AM

<img height="458" src="http://donberryillustration.com/illust-images/tookie/tookie-fullcov.jpg" width="429" border="0" />They killed a tiger cub???? Those bastards.

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SatCam

12-13-2005, 12:05 PM

Now maybe some gang members will think twice about killing someone <img width="201" height="105" border="0" src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/thumbup.gif" /> 


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scottinnj

12-13-2005, 02:39 PM

Tookie, I.......I pardon you. Oh shit, too late 

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mdr55

12-13-2005, 02:42 PM

What's the big deal. Another Black man dies in america. It happens everyday. 

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scottinnj

12-13-2005, 02:45 PM

White men die everyday too.  You don't see us lighting candles over it.

mdr55

12-13-2005, 02:49 PM

You mean you didn't light a candle after 9-11? 

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HBox

12-13-2005, 03:03 PM

The only way I can live with the pain of knowing so many white people die on any given day is knowing that almost as many dirty minorities die as well. 

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scottinnj

12-13-2005, 03:39 PM

quote:You mean you didn't light a candle after 9-11? 

 No I wrote the White House and told Dubya to send the troops in and kill those animals

mdr55

12-13-2005, 03:41 PM

But he went after the wrong guy. Saddam had nothing to do with it and Osama is still out there. 

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scottinnj

12-13-2005, 03:42 PM

<img border="0" src="file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Scott%20Hicks/My%20Documents/My%20Pictures/savetookie_80x15.gif" alt="" />                                                              <img width="80" height="15" border="0" align="middle" alt="Save Tookie " src="http://www.savetookie.org/images/savetookie_80x15.gif" />Oh yeah I forgot-he's still dead My Bad! 

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scottinnj

12-13-2005, 03:47 PM

quote:But he went after the wrong guy. Saddam had nothing to do with it and Osama is still out there. 

 Begin your response here...I was talking about Afghanistan.  Remember Afghanistan?  We STILL HAVE SOLDIERS OVER THERE TOO!   MOTHERFUCKERS!  Still too worried about "tookie" and BUSH LIED PEOPLE DIED and that magic number of 2000 casualties that gets all the bush bashers dicks hard when they protest and NOBODY CARES ABOUT THE TROOPS IN AFGHANISTAN!  YOU DOUCHEBAG PIECES OF HIPPIE SHIT!

Hottub

12-13-2005, 04:03 PM

Scottinnj, I like your moxie, kid. Yes you are quite correct. Afghanistan was where we went first to flush out that piece of crap. And sadly, yes we are still there.I am fed up with the whole situation right now, but we are in. Deep. Bash whoever you want, but the fact remains.I just want the job done and our fucking men and women back home!

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mdr55

12-13-2005, 04:09 PM

Tookie ain't dead. He's the new XXX.   Coming soon to a theatre new you in 2006. 

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HBox

12-13-2005, 04:14 PM

Still too worried about
"tookie" and BUSH LIED PEOPLE DIED and that magic number of 2000
casualties that gets all the bush bashers dicks hard when they protest
and NOBODY CARES ABOUT THE TROOPS IN AFGHANISTAN!  YOU DOUCHEBAG PIECES
OF HIPPIE SHIT! The libby bush bashers were the ones who changed the focus to Iraq and pulled a bunch of troops out of Afghanistan? 

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Hottub

12-13-2005, 04:22 PM

The libby bush bashers were the ones who changed the focus to Iraq and pulled a bunch of troops out of Afghanistan? What? Who actually has the authority to transfer troops? I thought it was the Chiefs of Staff, the Commanding Officer of the operation, or the Commander in chief.How the fuck does a bush-basher control troop movement?

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mdr55

12-13-2005, 04:23 PM

quote: quote:But he went after the wrong guy. Saddam had nothing to do with it and Osama is still out there. 

 Begin your response here...I was talking about Afghanistan. Remember Afghanistan? We STILL HAVE SOLDIERS OVER THERE TOO! MOTHERFUCKERS!
Still too worried about "tookie" and BUSH LIED PEOPLE DIED and that
magic number of 2000 casualties that gets all the bush bashers dicks
hard when they protest and NOBODY CARES ABOUT THE TROOPS IN
AFGHANISTAN! YOU DOUCHEBAG PIECES OF HIPPIE SHIT! 

 The wars in Afghanistan and Iraq are almost running similar to like how the Korean War and the Vietnam War went.  I have relatives in the military that are in both fronts and hope they all come back safe.   If
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task before the original task was complete, maybe things would have
turned out differently. But then again, there was a score to settle, so
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