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Bulldogcakes

12-13-2005, 03:58 PM

Dont get me started on this BULLSHIT. These fuckholes shouldnt even
be allowed to be unionized. The fact that we have Police, Firefighters,
Transit Workers, all of whom provide ESSENTIAL services to the city
allowed to be unionized shows how left wing idealogues have put the
city and its residents in peril. For the first 300 years on
NYC's existence, municipal workers weren't unionized (City wokers
became unionized in the 1960's). For good reason. First of all, you're
not fighting over wealth created by a business, you're fighting to grab
more public tax dollars. If you win, taxes must be raised, which hurts
the city's competitiveness with other municipalities. Second, if
workers who provide essential services go on strike, people will
literally die as a result. This is why we have the (never enforced)
Taylor law. Because by the nature of their work they are simply not
like private sector employees. If WalMarts employees go out on strike,
you can shop elsewhere. The City (and Government in general) is a
MONOPOLY by nature. If the Transit workers go on strike, many people
who rely on it will simply not be able to get to work. People who use
the subways the most are often poor and cannot afford anything else. So
if this drags on, thousands will not be able to pay rent, put food on
the table, etc. Thanks Roger. 
ONE NARROW INTEREST GROUP can shut down the city because they want 55K per year instead of 50k FUCK THEM. If you see a transit worker, do me a favor and kick him in the balls for me. 


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HBox

12-13-2005, 04:12 PM

For the first 300 years on NYC's existence, municipal workers weren't unionized (City wokers became unionized in the 1960's).There weren't unions PERIOD for the majority of NYC's existence. PLEASE don't tell me your pining for those days.Second, if workers who provide essential services go on strike, people will literally die as a result.Or if these workers aren't unionized and have no leverage in negotiations and are paid uncompetitive wages, skilled and experienced workers go elsewhere and people will die, except that will be on a regular basis.If WalMarts employees go out on strike, you can shop elsewhere.And if pigs flied?So if this drags on, thousands will not be able to pay rent, put food on the table, etc.Neither will the people striking. 

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Bulldogcakes

12-13-2005, 04:18 PM

Dont start with me on this one H-Box. I'm in no mood for snotty
remarks about this shit. These fucking pricks HAVE NO FUCKING RIGHT TO
FUCK UP THE ENTIRE CITY. And the "leverage" is for more of MY tax
dollars, not yours. DONT FUCKING SIT IN NEW JERSEY AND TELL ME I HAVE
TO SUPPORT THESE ASSHOLES. I DONT. 
YOU dont have deal with this shit living in New Jersey. I, and my employees do. 


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mdr55

12-13-2005, 04:25 PM

Those people have families to feed and take care of. 

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Hottub

12-13-2005, 04:27 PM

I only wish I had the leverage that these pricks have. Just knowing they have the ability to cripple a city must be a real rush. And yes, they probably will get whatever the fuck they want because the know they have the ability to bring the greatest city to it's knees!I don't have time to get into an anti union debate at this minute, but FUCK YOU!!I can buy a Hyundai, that has to be shipped 10,000 miles for less than I can buy a Ford that was made 25 miles from my house?

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12-13-2005, 04:28 PM

Those people can go fuck themselves and get different jobs if they're
so fucking (50k per year/mega benefits/easy city job) oppressed. And
the people I feel sorry for are the marginal, minimum wage workers who
wont be able TO GET TO THEIR jobs, and will MAKE NOTHING for the
duration of a strike. Unions have strike funds, they'll have food on
their tables. THE PEOPLE AFFECTED BY THIS WONT.    

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WRESTLINGFAN

12-13-2005, 04:42 PM

quote: Those people can go fuck themselves and get different jobs if they're so fucking (50k per year/mega benefits/easy city job) oppressed. And the people I feel sorry for are the marginal, minimum wage workers who wont be able TO GET TO THEIR jobs, and will MAKE NOTHING for the duration of a strike. Unions have strike funds, they'll have food on their tables. THE PEOPLE AFFECTED BY THIS WONT.    <img src="http://www.silentpix.com/hottub/bulldogsig/rotate.php" border="0" /> <a href="http://bulldogcakes.tripod.com/index.html" target="blank">My site Bully Baby</a> "A dog recently saved his owner's life, because he had been trained to dial 911. Unfortunately, operators had trouble finding the address 'woof, woof.'"-Norm MacDonaldThis message was edited by Bulldogcakes on 12-13-05 @ 8:31 PM Agreed!!!! Alot if these workers make btwn 75-100k with  overtime what else do they want? 

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samnyc

12-13-2005, 05:25 PM

we should install computers on subways so they run automatically.  then you can get rid of conductors the same way you got ride of token booth attendees

Hottub

12-13-2005, 05:30 PM

Well Sammy. I find it more convenient, and less of a language barrier to deal with a token machine than a $75k/year token-pushing  asshole! Plus they are equally as good at assisting you if you have a question!

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samnyc

12-13-2005, 05:35 PM

I also think subway riders should start hammering steel plates on to the trains to bullet proof them like the humveeks in iraq

HBox

12-13-2005, 05:39 PM

How much is that amount of money REALLY worth in the NYC area? 

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Hottub

12-13-2005, 05:39 PM

More than my broke ass is making!!

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ChrisTheCop

12-13-2005, 05:51 PM

belittling (sp?) of the working man aside...i believe in the chances of a transit strike happening as much as i believe that manny ramirez wont be a red sock come spring.in other words...it aint happening. i smell 11th hour deal.noinside knowledge here..just my opinion.

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HBox

12-13-2005, 05:51 PM

Dont start with me on
this one H-Box. I'm in no mood for snotty remarks about this shit.
These fucking pricks HAVE NO FUCKING RIGHT TO FUCK UP THE ENTIRE CITY.
And the "leverage" is for more of MY tax dollars, not yours. DONT
FUCKING SIT IN NEW JERSEY AND TELL ME I HAVE TO SUPPORT THESE ASSHOLES.
I DONT. YOU dont have deal with this shit living in New Jersey. I, and my employees do.When I was able to work, I had an internship in NYC. In fact, because of a security threat one morning the subway line I used was shut down and I had to walk all the way from the Port Authority Bus Terminal to my building. So, I am a little familiar with what people might have to deal with. (I don't mean that sarcastically either, I know there will be people with worse problems.) Of course you don't have to support them, but how would these people, including cops and firemen since you brought them into the conversation, get a competitive wage otherwise? And can we at least wait until a strike actually happens before we start calling for the ball kicking? 

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Bulldogcakes

12-13-2005, 05:56 PM

Dont forget the benefits packages. For those of us who pay for our own, BELIEVE ME it costs money. Their benefits alone, in dollars, are probably more than most of the people on this board MAKE per year.How many people on this board have(Full coverage) MedicalDental Death/Disability insurancePension planPaid vacation Paid sick days 
 These fucking crybabies should count their
blessings and get to fucking work. Not that they work much to begin
with. 

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samnyc

12-13-2005, 06:06 PM

are you sure those guys get dental benefits?

Bulldogcakes

12-13-2005, 06:07 PM

quote:Of
course you don't have to support them, but how would these people,
including cops and firemen since you brought them into the
conversation, get a competitive wage otherwise? And can we at least
wait until a strike actually happens before we start calling for the
ball kicking? 

The same way they always
did, and the same way everybody else does. By bringing skills to a job
that are in sufficient demand that an employer will be willing to pay
them accordingly. And the city/state is not going to go around paying
people poverty wages. It's politically untenable. Before these jobs
were unionized, they were effectively the same as they are now. Big
benefits/modest take home pay jobs. The only difference is now, we have
the threat of a strike hanging over our heads. 
  And no, I cant wait. Just for the fact that this is even an OPTION somebody should get kicked in the nuts.  

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Assman

12-13-2005, 06:19 PM

First off, bulldog can lick my sweatty ball sack.....u fu*king tool, as a transit worker, i hope u get run over by one of MY TRAINS, DIE U COMMIEE SCUM, we have every right to DEMAND to be treated fairly in the work-place, may u recieve anal warts asshole.... and to all others, try working in a 120 degree station for 8 straight hours a day changing 1500 lbs. track rails and then tell me if we should be going on strike...... I love to hear this one......

mdr55

12-13-2005, 06:22 PM

If they got it so good, why why didn't you get into that field? 

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Bulldogcakes

12-13-2005, 06:30 PM

quote:First
off, bulldog can lick my sweatty ball sack.....u fu*king tool, as a
transit worker, i hope u get run over by one of MY TRAINS, DIE U
COMMIEE SCUM, we have every right to DEMAND to be treated fairly in the
work-place, may u recieve anal warts asshole.... and to all others, try
working in a 120 degree station for 8 straight hours a day changing
1500 lbs. track rails and then tell me if we should be going on
strike...... I love to hear this one...... I hope you step on the third rail if you go on strike, you worthless selfish piece of shit. And
if you knew anything about your union YOUR UNION has a long history of
political radicalism, including communism. YOUR UNION WAS FOUNDED BY AN
AVOWED COMMUNIST, Michael J Quill. But you cant even spell
Commie, so I wouldn't expect you to bring anything worth reading to
this discussion. 
 

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Bulldogcakes

12-13-2005, 06:46 PM

<h1 class="firstHeading">Mike Quill</h1>

<h3>From Wikipedia</h3> 

Michael J. Quill (1905–1966) was one of the founders of the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transport_Workers_Union_of_America" title="Transport Workers Union of America">Transport Workers Union of America</a> (TWU), a union founded by subway workers in <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_City" title="New York City">New York City</a>
that expanded to represent employees in other forms of transit, and the
President of the TWU for most of the first thirty years of its
existence. A close ally of the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_Party_USA" title="Communist Party USA">Communist Party USA</a> for the first twelve years of his leadership of the union

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HBox

12-13-2005, 08:28 PM

Come on guys, let's tone down the emotions. There's been far too many of these angry threads going on. I don't wanna SEEEEEEEE another one of these!!!!!!! 

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mikeyboy

12-13-2005, 08:36 PM

I just found out that my daughter's school will be opening two hours late if there's a strike to give the teachers sufficient time to get in.  Putting aside politics and the effect on the city, if I was a kid right now, and there was a transit strike, it think would be the best think evar!!!1!1!!

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12-13-2005, 08:39 PM

Fight the Power 

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12-13-2005, 08:46 PM

speaking of commie...my granddad was secretary of the colgate palmolive employees union in jersey city  for 35 years. colgate had a shop where people became electricians, masons, millwrights, pipefitters, etc. and the rest of the plant laborers. he told me a story of a communist employee they had that worked in the shop and was causing quite a stir within the membership on some seniority for shop workers vs seniority for the plant laborers issue. it was an issue where if there were layoffs some of the shop people had to go back into the plant such as on the production lines and they were dead set against it.  anyway this guy was causing some problems.my grandad and the union president called this guys previous employer. he worked at a steel plant i believe in the DC/Virginia area. The contact at the steel plant invited them down for a discussion. The steel plant person called this guy a 'stone cold communist" and had a serious suggestion for my grandad and johnny mcgurk(president) He asked them if they had the five story vats that colgate would boil soap in. they said yes and he suggested dropping him in there. he said that no one would miss him. they were taken back by his suggestion and didn't follow it.Instead, they harrassed him. John would walk up to him 'on the job' and spit in his face so he would retaliate and they could fire him. After the guy had enough he wound up leaving the company

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TheMojoPin

12-14-2005, 05:08 AM

BDC, what was it like being Boss Tweed in a previous life?

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Assman

12-14-2005, 04:40 PM

Hey bulldog, way to screw uo you're own argument asshole.... he ASSOCIATED with and was NOT a Communist, he was a revolutionary with the Irish Republican Army before being forced to migrate to America, so if u are going to state a idea then back it up with facts....asshole. and what kind of job do you have, looking at you're post count, not much os any. And to get the facts correct, T.W.U allowed and still does fight for ALL it's members, no matter race, creed, or religon, again bulldog get you facts correct, ASSHOLE. And have u ever seen what the third rail actually does to the human body, may you never have that image burned into you're nightmares....and for all others, average salary for transit workers.....$40,000 - $65,000, with little chnce for overtime. and we can do ALOT better with the benefits....

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12-14-2005, 05:08 PM

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WRESTLINGFAN

12-14-2005, 05:19 PM

The citys comptrollers office is saying that the city can lose about $660 million a day due to the strike. Workers who strike will be fined 2 days pay for each day of the strike

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Bulldogcakes

12-14-2005, 05:31 PM

Actually the city can fine them much much more than that if its the same as last time. They can impose fines of up
to $25,000 per day against each individual member of the union to
recoup their losses. Dont forget, its an illegal strike to begin with,
and if they are going to send the city's reciepts plummeting, then the
city has the right to go about trying to recover their losses. 


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Hottub

12-14-2005, 05:35 PM

And you KNOW Mayor Bloomberg will be all over that!!!

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TheMojoPin

12-14-2005, 06:24 PM

and for all others, average salary for transit workers.....$40,000 - $65,000Wow, I wish I made that.

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WRESTLINGFAN

12-16-2005, 04:26 AM

Since the MTA issubsidized by the State can Pataki fire them? I remember when the Air traffic controllers went on strike Reagan fired them because they were FAA employees

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Bulldogcakes

12-16-2005, 04:57 PM

You cant fire the workers. You need competant people to run the NYC subway system. You have to deal with the union. You
could fire Kalikow, for letting things get this far. But chances are,
he has the go ahead from his bosses (Bloomberg and Pataki)One
thing you need to understand is when you give a package to one set of
civil servants, you have to give it to all. The other unions will get a
judge to give them the same package. And the city cant afford that. So
you have to be very careful about "Just giving them the money". 


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HBox

12-16-2005, 05:00 PM

How widespread was the limited bus strike? Was there any noticeable affect? 

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Bulldogcakes

12-16-2005, 05:08 PM

It hasn't happened yet, last I heard. Its to affect about 50,000
people in the Bronx and Queens areas on Monday. I actually took that as a good
sign. It shows me that the union is hedging its action. That tells me
they're not as far apart as they're saying publicly. I've also heard
that for 4% annual they'll sign. The MTA's "Final offer" was 3% per.
I'm hoping Bloomberg and Pataki put their capes on and swoop in Sunday
night to avoid any strikes. They control the MTA. But as I said in my
previous post, its complicated. 


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Bulldogcakes

12-20-2005, 12:41 AM

Merry Christmas Roger.  And have fun Chris.  

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HBox

12-20-2005, 01:42 AM

I really can't see why they didn't come to a deal. The last offer from the MTA seemed like a decent compromise, and even if they didn't want to take it it had to be close to what TWU would be willing to accept. I have a feeling this will blow up in their face. 

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BeerBandit

12-20-2005, 02:15 AM

I sure am glad my 30 day Unlimited MetroCard has those 4 extra Holiday
Bonus days.  Way to plan ahead MTA.  Good luck getting to
work everybody.  I should to there just in time to head
home.  

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Evilpete

12-20-2005, 05:39 AM

I"m supposed to be in Manhattan now for an interview, but considering
the 59th Street bridge is backed up a couple miles, and I was goni to
get dropped off there and walk across, that's not good.  Also the
LIRR stations are packed, and it all looks like it's one step away from
a full scale riot in the city 

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12-20-2005, 05:51 AM

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12-20-2005, 06:06 AM

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12-20-2005, 06:24 AM

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silera

12-20-2005, 06:29 AM

Luckily I have 3 kids so I'll just bring them in with me and voila I'm carpooling.

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Evilpete

12-20-2005, 06:47 AM

it would have been a lot easier if they announced the strike at midnight, rather than 3 am. I hope the international comes in, dissolves the local union, and gets the deal done!! 

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12-20-2005, 07:12 AM

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reeshy

12-20-2005, 07:31 AM

I am SOOOOO glad that I don't work in the city nomo!!!!!!!!!!!  I had to pull 12 hour shifts during the 1980 strike...money was good but the rest sucked!!!!!!

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badorties

12-20-2005, 07:46 AM

it would have been a lot easier if they announced the strike at midnight, rather than 3 am.the mta conference at 10:30(ish) the stike seemed like it was inevitable ...i walked from middle village, it took two hours, no big deal for a day or two ... after that i'll see

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asayresk

12-20-2005, 08:24 AM

at  least its not a black out.

Bulldogcakes

12-20-2005, 03:27 PM

quote:I
really can't see why they didn't come to a deal. 
 If Toussaint wanted to settle this, why didn't he agree to binding arbitration, like every other municipal union? Answer?
Because this union is different from the others. They dont want to
compromise. Listen to their demands. They want "respect", they're
fighting for "the rights of working people everywhere". How do you have
a rational negotiation with someone who talks like this? Should Kalikow
say "I'll give you 500 respects and wave my magic wand and grant
workers everywhere whatever they want"? 
Toussaint is an ideologue and this local is among the most
militant in the country. Even his own national TWU was against this
action, and is exploring a takeover of this local (http://wcbstv.com/topstories/local_story_354094519.html) They already had a judge impose a million $ per day fine against the
union, plus the two days pay for each day on strike for each union
member as proscribed by the Taylor law. 
The city is losing 300-400 million dollars a day. The effects of
that will be felt for many, many months to come. Dont be surprised if
you have garbage piling up in the streets this spring. 

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Bulldogcakes

12-20-2005, 03:42 PM

He said it better than I could, so here's the Mayor's statement about the strike Source (http://www.nyc.gov/portal/index.jsp?epi_menuItemID=c0935b9a57bb4ef3daf2f1c70 1c789a0&epi_menuID=13ecbf46556241d3daf2f1c701c789a 0&epi_baseMenuID=27579af732d48f86a62fa24601c789a0& pageID=mayor_press_release&catID=1194&doc_name=htt p%3A%2F%2Fwww.nyc.gov%2Fhtml%2Fom%2Fhtml%2F2005b%2 Fpr473-05.html&cc=unused1978&rc=1194&ndi=1) "Tonight, Roger Toussaint and the TWU have
taken the illegal and morally reprehensible action of ordering a
citywide strike of our mass transit system.

"The contingency plan that we outlined last week will go into effect
and be implemented for Tuesday morning's rush hour. Among other
measures, HOV lanes have been designated; Police checkpoints are being
established and a new fare structure for taxis is in effect. The entire
contingency plan can be viewed on <a href="http://www.nyc.gov/">www.nyc.gov</a>.

"At this hour, City Corporation Counsel Michael Cardozo is joining
the MTA in requesting an emergency hearing in front of Brooklyn Supreme
Court Justice Theodore Jones.  We will seek to show that the TWU is in
contempt of the court's earlier injunction and ask the court to impose
severe fines on the union and its members.

"I hope Judge Jones will grant this motion as quickly as possible. 
The union must understand there are real and significant consequences
to their actions.

"For their own selfish reasons, the TWU has decided that their
demands are more important than the law, the City and the people they
serve. This is not only an affront to the concept of public service; it
is a cowardly attempt by Roger Toussaint and the TWU to bring the City
to its knees to create leverage for their own bargaining position. We
cannot give the TWU the satisfaction of causing the havoc they
desperately seek to create.

"Going forward, we will need to be patient, considerate and
resilient. We can't let inconveniences, as massive as they are, stop
our economy, shut down our schools, or jeopardize public safety.

"It will no doubt be a difficult time for people of this City and
the region as a whole.  But New Yorkers have made a habit of pulling
through tough times and showing doubters what we're made of.  These
traits will be put to the test as long as this strike lasts. To view this statement, click here (http://www.nyc.gov/html/om/html/2005b/media/pc122005-transitstrike300k.asx) 

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TheMojoPin

12-20-2005, 03:54 PM

FIGHT ON, BRAVE WORKERS!  THE BLOOD OF THE PEOPLE FUELS YOUR CAUSE!  Make the fat capitalist pig-dogs drown in their flab-sweat as they hoof it to work!

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Bulldogcakes

12-20-2005, 04:11 PM

Maybe the typeface was too small For
their own selfish reasons, the TWU has decided that their demands are
more important than the law, the City and the people they serve. This
is not only an affront to the concept of public service; it is a
cowardly attempt by Roger Toussaint and the TWU to bring the City to
its knees to create leverage for their own bargaining position. We
cannot give the TWU the satisfaction of causing the havoc they
desperately seek to create. 


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TheMojoPin

12-20-2005, 04:16 PM

FIGHT ON, BRAVE WORKERS!  THE BLOOD OF THE PEOPLE FUELS YOUR CAUSE!  Make the fat capitalist pig-dogs drown in their flab-sweat as they hoof it to work! Heeeeee-haw!

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Bulldogcakes

12-20-2005, 04:24 PM

I'm in. "For
their own selfish reasons, the TWU has decided that their demands are
more important than the law, the City and the people they serve. This
is not only an affront to the concept of public service; it is a
cowardly attempt by Roger Toussaint and the TWU to bring the City to
its knees to create leverage for their own bargaining position. We
cannot give the TWU the satisfaction of causing the havoc they
desperately seek to create. 

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HBox

12-20-2005, 04:25 PM

Well, I'm sure if there was no threat of strike they'd be able to reach a deal, like they did with the cops, firefighters and teachers.Wait, what? 

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TheMojoPin

12-20-2005, 04:27 PM

FIGHT ON, BRAVE WORKERS!  THE BLOOD OF THE PEOPLE FUELS YOUR CAUSE!  Make the fat capitalist pig-dogs drown in their flab-sweat as they hoof it to work! You're so easy.

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Hottub

12-20-2005, 04:36 PM

For their own selfish reasons, the TWU has decided that their demands are more important than the law, the City and the people they serve. This is not only an affront to the concept of public service; it is a cowardly attempt by Roger Toussaint and the TWU to bring the City to its knees to create leverage for their own bargaining position. We cannot give the TWU the satisfaction of causing the havoc they desperately seek to create.Sorry Commrade!!

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12-20-2005, 04:39 PM

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12-20-2005, 04:46 PM

The pig-dog and a man with a gun always win. 

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LordJezo

12-21-2005, 09:51 AM

They should fire every worker and rehire people who want to work and don't mind making more than most people do for just sitting around and doing nothing.I wish I could make 65k a year with full retirement at 55 while not going to college.  Worthless.  

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12-21-2005, 09:57 AM

Every time this gets bumped, I hope it means that there has been some progress.  Getting around NYC is a pain in the ass right now.

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asayresk

12-21-2005, 10:13 AM

stop your bicthing. walk your fat ass to work.

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12-21-2005, 10:14 AM

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samnyc

12-21-2005, 04:41 PM

That's strike's not possible-it's happening!

booster11373

12-21-2005, 04:50 PM

quote: They should fire every worker and rehire people who want to work and don't mind making more than most people do for just sitting around and doing nothing.I wish I could make 65k a year with full retirement at 55 while not going to college. Worthless.  ------------------------------------------ <a>The only reason that they can make 65k a year and retie at 55 is becuse thay have a union in the first placeNever trust business or in this case the gov't to do the right thing </a>

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Bulldogcakes

12-21-2005, 04:53 PM

quote:Every
time this gets bumped, I hope it means that there has been some
progress. Getting around NYC is a pain in the ass right now.
 Just wait till spring
Mike, when the City has a 2-3 billion dollar hole in its budget from
this. Hope you like the smell of week old garbage. 

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booster11373

12-21-2005, 04:59 PM

To all concerned stop buying the sterotype union image of people paid to sit on ther asses all day, If that was the case the NYC subway would hardly by able to run let alone run fairly well.

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SatCam

12-21-2005, 05:10 PM

To all concerned stop buying the sterotype union image of people paid
to sit on ther asses all day, If that was the case the NYC subway would
hardly by able to run let alone run fairly well.Not the people who work in the union, just the people who run it.... 

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Bulldogcakes

12-21-2005, 05:22 PM

Again the Mayor has said it better than me quote:"It
needs to end, and it needs to end right now," Bloomberg said in a news
conference Wednesday, repeatedly lashing out at what he called an
"illegal, selfish strike" and questioning how union leaders could claim
their walkout would benefit the working class. 

"Working
people are the ones who are being hurt," Bloomberg said. "The busboy is
getting hurt, the garment industry worker is getting hurt, the owners
of mom and pop businesses. ... The ones getting hurt the most are the
ones who can least afford it. If they don't get paid, they don't eat."

The strike
was responsible for a 40 percent decline in business at restaurants, an
80 percent decline in visitors at museums, and a 90 percent decline in
customers at the Fulton Mall in Brooklyn, the mayor said. He estimated
the city's lost revenue at $300 million to $400 million a day.
 
Tomorrow's an interesting day. The Union has 3 million in its
coffers. It's being fined 1 million per day, and tomorrow's the 3rd day
of the strike. Thats why the parent union has been distancing itself
in court from this local. It doesn't want to be on the hook for these fines.
Might also explain why Toussaint is now saying just take the pension
changes off the table and they'll go back to work.(The pension is
actually controlled by Albany, anyway) If
Toussaint wants to push past his bank account, he could find his local
bankrupt and out of business or financially strapped for many, many
years to come. Either way he goes down as an extremist labor leader who
ruined his union, and hurt his members and the city. 
I know my (already long) day has been extended 3 hours because of
this. I'm leaving 5am/getting home 8pm. And forget about what business
is like. Dont ask.
Its amazing how its Cristmas and nobody's saying Merry Christmas to
anyone, because everything's such a mess and people are too preoccupied
just getting around. Well I still am. You only get so many Christmas', and I'm not going to let anyone ruin any of mine. 

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Bulldogcakes

12-21-2005, 05:25 PM

Another thing, has anyone else noticed these Bike riders the last few
days? People who obviously never ride their bikes in the city are
running red lights, riding in the middle of the street, almost getting
hit by cars, almost running over pedestrians. The East Villiage was
particularily bad tonight. Somebody's gonna get fucking killed. 

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12-21-2005, 05:27 PM

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FUNKMAN

12-21-2005, 05:43 PM

instead of keep taking away benefits, reducing cost of living increases, and asking pretty much mostly middle-class and low income people to work more years of their life why don't they start asking doctors and lawyers to reduce their fees and bring the cost of healthcare and lawsuits down. why don't they strip away executive bonuses across the country, take away their golden parachutes?just read this article on Coca Cola<a href="http://money.cnn.com/2005/12/21/news/fortune500/coke_severance.reut/index.htm" target="_self">"In the last decade, Coca-Cola shareholders have seen a revolving door of top executives cash in big rewards while financial performance lagged," said Thomas Keegel, general secretary-treasurer of the union that calls itself America's largest and most diverse with 1.4 million members. </a>like in the thread i started a month or so ago about this greed. you'll find an article every day in the Business sections of CNN and Yahoo about corporate corruption. who the fuck is gonna stop it?

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12-21-2005, 06:06 PM

quote:instead
of keep taking away benefits, reducing cost of living increases, and
asking pretty much mostly middle-class and low income people to work
more years of their life why don't they start asking doctors and
lawyers to reduce their fees and bring the cost of healthcare and
lawsuits down. why don't they strip away executive bonuses across the
country, take away their golden parachutes?just read this article on Coca Cola<a target="_self" href="http://money.cnn.com/2005/12/21/news/fortune500/coke_severance.reut/index.htm">"In
the last decade, Coca-Cola shareholders have seen a revolving door of
top executives cash in big rewards while financial performance lagged,"
said Thomas Keegel, general secretary-treasurer of the union that calls
itself America's largest and most diverse with 1.4 million members. </a>like
in the thread i started a month or so ago about this greed. you'll find
an article every day in the Business sections of CNN and Yahoo about
corporate corruption. who the fuck is gonna stop it?

 Even if you paid
CEO's nothing, it still wouldn't fix the problems with pensions and
healthcare costs. You're talking about companies with billions in sales
and payrolls. Healthcare is going up 2 and 3 times the rate of
inflation, and the problem with most pensions is people are living
longer, thanks to all those health benefits. But there's just not
enough $ at the top to solve these issues, so thats just class warfare,
not a proposal to fix anything.  And of course, if you dont
offer to pay someone well to run a company, do you think you'll be able
to attract good people? And if performance still lags, that explains
the revolving door. As far as the golden parachutes go, thats common
business practice (even for mid level workers) in the financial
industry. Some average worker might get a "severence package" A CEO
gets a "Golden parachute". Its the same thing, and CEO's have the same
rights as the rest of us to get these deals. Theirs are just bigger,.
but so was their job.   


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CaptClown

12-21-2005, 06:20 PM

quote: instead of keep taking away benefits, reducing cost of living increases, and asking pretty much mostly middle-class and low income people to work more years of their life why don't they start asking doctors and lawyers to reduce their fees and bring the cost of healthcare and lawsuits down. why don't they strip away executive bonuses across the country, take away their golden parachutes?  All that sounds good in theory but it isn't going to work in actual practice. Schooling is expensive especially if you go to a decent one. Malpractice insurance can be ridiculosly expensive depending on which state you are in. Some Doctors and lawyers have private practices and workers /services that they need to take care of .Executives get their compensation in part because the good ones aren't leaving a good reason to do so. Director of the C.Y.A. Society. Field Marshal of the K.I.S.S. Army Poison Clan rocks the world

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HBox

12-22-2005, 09:46 AM

<a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10555519/" target="_blank">Transit talks set to resume, union leaders to urge workers to return to work.</a> 

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HBox

12-22-2005, 10:34 AM

The union just voted: strike over. 

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badorties

12-22-2005, 10:53 AM

finally ... if the strike continued, i would've lost my vacation time for next weekyea

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ChrisTheCop

12-22-2005, 11:24 AM

Now the TWU joins so many other municipal workers working without a contract.The nypd went 2 years without one, then signed a retroactive contract that expired in a month.Yeah. The city bargains in good faith. <img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/surrender.gif" border="0" />

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HBox

12-22-2005, 11:52 AM

It's so fucking ironic. People complain about the expanding gap between rich and poor, and yet there was so much complaining about how much the TWU workers made (just forget for a second the chaos the strike caused), like how dare these people THAT much money. God forbid THESE people make a good living for themselves, try to get ahead in life. 

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Bulldogcakes

12-22-2005, 03:41 PM

Well that pay package is actually a little skewed. Its an average of
50k, but you have cleaners and ticket takers on the low end, then
electricians and diesel mechanics on the high end. So the average is
50k, but the guy sweeping the floors isn't making that. Which is what I think most people assume. 
And H-Box, you're the only one bring race into this. You, Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson. Nice company to be in.<img border="0" src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/huh.gif" /> Toussaint
came back to the bargaining table because his union was facing
bankruptcy if they stayed out. We dont know what the outline of the
deal is yet, because the mediator (correctly) insisted on a news
blackout. But my suspicion is that the union will end up losing for
going on strike. Between the fines imposed on the Local and the
individual members, its hard to see them not. The Mayor and MTA made it
clear that the judges fines were seperate from the bargaining process.
If they want help with the fines, they'll have to appeal them in court.
Toussaint will probably lose his job for this disasterous action he put
his members and the city through. Its also a lesson to the other municipal
unions that the rest of us city residents learned a long time ago. You
cant fight City Hall (and win). 


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Bulldogcakes

12-22-2005, 03:45 PM

quote:Yeah. The city bargains in good faith. <img border="0" src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/surrender.gif" />Actually
they do. If you cant come to an agreement, you declare an impasse and
go to binding arbtration. The city has offered that to everyone,
including the TWU.  Tell me why thats unfair to have an impartial 3rd party decide who gets what.  

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HBox

12-22-2005, 03:49 PM

And H-Box, you're the only one bring race into this. You, Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson. Nice company to be in.I definitely did not intend to mean race. I meant class, like why the fuck would a person who does THAT job deserve to make any money? 

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Bulldogcakes

12-22-2005, 03:52 PM

Fine, I was wrong. Happy? 

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HBox

12-22-2005, 03:54 PM

Thrilled. woo-hoo. 

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Bulldogcakes

12-22-2005, 03:59 PM

Look, I admitted I was wrong. What the fuck else you want? Blood? First born?! What?You can have anything but a raise.  

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HBox

12-22-2005, 04:02 PM

Let me kick one of your dogs in the liver. Just joking. And I was just joking in my last post as well. Looking back, I can see how you could have took it the way you took it. 

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HBox

12-22-2005, 04:09 PM

<a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10577267/" target="_blank">Costs of strike perhaps not as high as expected.</a>I never really bought the whole $400 million a day thing. Bloomberg certianly had motive to stretch it as far as he could. Of course, no one will no for sure for a while, and I'm sure it hit the small retail businesses and restaurants more then anybody. <a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10577267/" target="_blank"></a>

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Bulldogcakes

12-22-2005, 04:09 PM

Took what? I was joking too. Dont make me have to start using those gay smilies, please.  

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sr71blackbird

12-22-2005, 04:17 PM

<a href="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/viewmessages.cfm/Forum/87/Topic/32230/sortby/asc" target="_blank">Bloomberg is a douchebag!</a>

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Bulldogcakes

12-22-2005, 04:19 PM

quote:<a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10577267/" target="_blank">Costs of strike perhaps not as high as expected.</a> 
 Even that article
says they really dont know, and wont for quite a while. Whatever the
number is, no one can claim the city wont be hurt by this. And as the
article showed, the people hurt worse are those that can least afford
it. Which was always a huge issue for me, I work in the restaurant biz
and my customers told me that everyone showed up except the bus boys
and dishwashers. The guys who could least afford to take a day off, especially at Christmas. 

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HBox

12-22-2005, 04:20 PM

Man, I'm just confused now. Let's just move on, and I'll just throw out some gay smilies to clear up anything else I might have missed<img border="0" src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/mellow.gif" />  <img border="0" src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/wacko.gif" /> <img border="0" src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/unsure.gif" /> <img border="0" src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/wink.gif" /> <img border="0" src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/tongue.gif" /> <img border="0" src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/laugh.gif" /> <img border="0" src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/cool.gif" /> <img border="0" src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/bye.gif" /> <img border="0" src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/clap.gif" /> 

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12-22-2005, 04:23 PM

Will you two get a room already?  sheeshe! <img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/bye.gif" border="0" />

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12-22-2005, 04:27 PM

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ChrisTheCop

12-22-2005, 06:28 PM

Yeah. The city bargains in good faith. <img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/surrender.gif" border="0" /> Actually they do. If you cant come to an agreement, you declare an impasse and go to binding arbtration. The city has offered that to everyone, including the TWU.  Tell me why thats unfair to have an impartial 3rd party decide who gets whatIt would appear that you believe everything you hear on Bloomberg radio.The nypd tried bargaining in good faith for 2 years...2 YEARS!! when we attempted to declare an impasse, and bring it to the state arbitrators, the Bloomberg administration filed lawsuits for injunctions on the pba's declaration of an impasse! (like 2 years worth of no's wasnt evidence enough that it just wasnt working) Luckily, the 2nd or 3rd judge saw thru this delay tactic, and allowed us to go to the state board, who of course, granted us a raise. We got 2 years retro pay at the new rate, but not the interest on that money...who got the interest while the money was sitting in the cities bank account? THE CITY!!!Fact is, the delay tactics the city consistently uses when dealing with their unions is their form of a strike. The city's negotiators were on strike against the nypd for 2 years and no one arrests them, or fines them. no punishment ever comes for the city for not bargaining in good faith. 

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samnyc

12-22-2005, 07:11 PM

I'm happy to announce the strike is ended.

FUNKMAN

12-22-2005, 09:28 PM

quote: Yeah. The city bargains in good faith. <img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/surrender.gif" border="0" /> Actually they do. If you cant come to an agreement, you declare an impasse and go to binding arbtration. The city has offered that to everyone, including the TWU.  Tell me why thats unfair to have an impartial 3rd party decide who gets what  It would appear that you believe everything you hear on Bloomberg radio.The nypd tried bargaining in good faith for 2 years...2 YEARS!! when we attempted to declare an impasse, and bring it to the state arbitrators, the Bloomberg administration filed lawsuits for injunctions on the pba's declaration of an impasse! (like 2 years worth of no's wasnt evidence enough that it just wasnt working) Luckily, the 2nd or 3rd judge saw thru this delay tactic, and allowed us to go to the state board, who of course, granted us a raise. We got 2 years retro pay at the new rate, but not the interest on that money...who got the interest while the money was sitting in the cities bank account? THE CITY!!!Fact is, the delay tactics the city consistently uses when dealing with their unions is their form of a strike. The city's negotiators were on strike against the nypd for 2 years and no one arrests them, or fines them. no punishment ever comes for the city for not bargaining in good faith. i saw Bloomberg on a small snippit of film and it looked like he was answering questions about how the union is getting back to work in good faith and hopefully management will bargain and he had a big sour puss/speechless look on his face and responded " i stand by what i said ",  how about " okay, it's managements turn to make some concessions "...  i've liked Bloomberg up to this point. it seemed he was a down to earth person but this situation reveals his true color " green " like money. do you think that all these union people are just greedy. answer me this: can someone live in the five boroughs on 50k a year, raise a family, and afford to have their wife or husband not work and raise their children? do you think they happily went on strike earning no pay or just a small % of pay if they have a strike fund?again for me it should boil down to how much the 'whole' corporation is making and how that money is divided. it takes everyone involved to make a corporation successful, from the janitor up to the CEO.  An extra 4 years of schooling should not earn you a salary that is exorbitant. More? yes. But think about the people that worked for the company as you went to school. They have contributed to the success of that company as well...guess you can tell i didn't go to college  <img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/smile.gif" border="0" />

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ChrisTheCop

12-22-2005, 09:29 PM

8 and a half hours late Samuel. but thanx for the effort.

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badorties

01-20-2006, 12:13 PM

NYC Transit Workers Reject New Contract (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060120/ap_on_re_us/ny_transit_vote)

after the strike had ended, i heard on NPR that toussaint was seen as a moderate and a seel-out to the union, and that there was a growing more radical and ant-MTA faction of the local ... and that toussaint was elected on their platform, and quickly asserted himself from their party, and ideally won't get re-elected ...

as hardlined the MTA was their last offer, and a more radical faction dictating new demands -- how screwed will the public be ...?

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Bulldogcakes

01-20-2006, 04:38 PM

Let them go out again, and let the judges bankrupt this local with more million $ a day fines. They have 1.5 mil left. Then when they cant pay their fines, they'll lose the right to collect dues since the dues will be garnished to pay back the fines. They will then effectively cease to exist as a union, and ol Bulldog will be a happy guy. I've heard they're supposed to go back to the bargaining table, or maybe arbitration. We'll see. 

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