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HBox

01-09-2006, 07:12 PM

<a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2006/01/10/nyregion/10smoking.html" target="_blank">New Jersey passes ban for smoking in indoor places; Casinos exempted. They also raise the smoking age from 18 to 19.(NY Times, reg required)</a><img width="600" height="431" border="0" src="http://img381.imageshack.us/img381/531/hahashowphp5wj.jpg" /> The bill will be signed later this week. Don't know when it will go into affect. <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2006/01/10/nyregion/10smoking.html" target="_blank"></a>

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Sheeplovr

01-09-2006, 07:35 PM

yay next stop the pompton queen dinner smokeing section finaly
get to sit in the nice part of the dinner without the wafty smell of
dieing well if you dont count that creepy old man who always seams ot be
there and gets controll of the remote 


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Steels

01-09-2006, 07:41 PM

quote:yay next stop the pompton queen dinner smokeing section finaly
get to sit in the nice part of the dinner without the wafty smell of
dieing well if you dont count that creepy old man who always seams ot be
there and gets controll of the remote 


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This message was edited by Sheeplovr on 1-9-06 @ 11:36 PM That place has the best stuffed clams I have ever had and an all around good diner to boot. 

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Tenbatsuzen

01-09-2006, 07:53 PM

Casino exemption is hypocrisy in action.  None of the older casinos have decent filtration systems. I had to stay at Harrah's a few months ago and I decided to play some black jack. I couldn't sleep for the rest of the night because I couldn't breathe from the second hand smoke. Meh.  

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Tenbatsuzen

01-09-2006, 07:54 PM

quote: 
finaly
get to sit in the nice part of the dinner without the wafty smell of
dieing well if you dont count that creepy old man who always seams ot be
there and gets controll of the remote 
 
 First I agreed with TooCute, now I'm agreeing with Sheepy.  I guess almost dying does give you a new look on the world.  

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HBox

01-09-2006, 08:08 PM

They had to choose between nothing or a Casino exemption. It's better than nothing I suppose. I have a feeling a Casino ban will happen eventually. 

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Tenbatsuzen

01-09-2006, 08:25 PM

quote:They
had to choose between nothing or a Casino exemption. It's better than
nothing I suppose. I have a feeling a Casino ban will happen eventually. 

 
 New Jersey politicians vs. one of the richest special interest groups in the state?  Guess again.   

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LordJezo

01-10-2006, 04:09 AM

Woo.Can't wait to start going out and not having to dry clean my clothes the next day. 

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01-10-2006, 04:48 AM

Hooray! Now I NEVER have to do any laundry. 

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ShelleBink

01-10-2006, 02:45 PM

damn, its hard enough getting snoogans to go out with me ;o) 

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spoon

01-10-2006, 02:48 PM

Yah but that's because you don't have a penis.

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FMJeff

01-12-2006, 08:51 AM

As long as they don't ban smoking outside, I'll live with it. I've been doing it for over a year now in NYC. Yes, its inconvenient. Yes it sucks when its cold or raining...but the one thing I DO like about it is all the smokers are in one place, congregating, socializing, which is why i started smoking to begin with. I just like smokers. They're more engaging people to be around, for some reason. Maybe bc smoking denotes weakness or flaws, and that's interesting to me. Don't touch the casinos though. Fucking can't live without smoking at the tables. Nerves would kill me without cigarettes. 

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FUNKMAN

01-12-2006, 08:57 AM

New Jersey Bans Smoking In Restaurants they just want to get people outside in time for bow season...

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angrymissy

01-12-2006, 09:47 AM

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!<img height="529" src="http://ketsugi.com/media/1/20051104-blackcat-nooooo.jpg" width="381" border="0" /> <img src="http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a63/angrymissy/newsig.gif" border="0" /> "To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." [ Theodore Roosevelt ]

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MilkmanDann

01-12-2006, 09:48 AM

Too lazy to read entire article, wonder if it includes Bars. Don't mind the smoke at all but cant stand my clothes smelling like it and with how much it costs nowadays, dunno how anyone can afford it.

TheMojoPin

01-12-2006, 08:59 PM

I love smoking, but I'm in favor of these laws.  It helps thin the herd of the uncool people when the rest of us go outside to smoke and be awesome.

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spoon

01-12-2006, 11:49 PM

Can you guys go "be awesome" outside this board?  <img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/wink.gif" border="0" />

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PapaBear

01-13-2006, 12:28 AM

and with how much it costs nowadays, dunno how anyone can afford it. You poor Yanks...  I pay 3 bucks a pack for Camels here in Virginia. Anyone want me to buy a few packs and send them up there?

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spoon

01-13-2006, 12:40 AM

Me!  Buy a couple cartons and send them to some middle schools and lung cancer patients at various hospitals please.  Send the bill to Crippler.

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PapaBear

01-13-2006, 12:51 AM

I give extra discounts to middle school students.

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Hottub

01-13-2006, 06:14 AM

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HBox

01-13-2006, 11:02 AM

Mojo and the "cool" group:<img width="320" height="240" border="0" src="http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/f/fb/Goth_Kids.jpg" /> 

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TheMojoPin

01-13-2006, 12:02 PM

Are you the one with asthma?Yeah, way to suck at life.

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HBox

01-13-2006, 12:22 PM

<img width="350" height="225" border="0" src="http://images.southparkstudios.com/media/images/805/805_image_09.jpg" />Mojo: "You can't be a cool non-conformist if you don't smoke cigarettes." 

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TheMojoPin

01-13-2006, 12:52 PM

Go slap your mom for blessing you with such sterling genetics, dorkus malorkus.

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HBox

01-13-2006, 01:05 PM

Go ban yourself for being such a cock. 

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TheMojoPin

01-13-2006, 04:43 PM

<img height="350" src="http://www.phaster.com/counter-ads/graphic_elements/smoking_james_dean.jpg" width="350" border="0" />I wholeheartedly support further studies into genetics in the hope they'll develop an anti-cancer trait so these hippies will shut the fuck up.  Of course, by that point they'll be whining that they can't have the guy with the awful cologne next to them in the bar arrested since it's "getting into their clothes."

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HBox

01-13-2006, 05:02 PM

Get cancer. No really, get some fucking cancer so I can taunt you about your "sterling genetics" while you're breathing through a hole in your neck. 

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TheMojoPin

01-13-2006, 05:09 PM

Do you really think it's going to take me by surprise if I do?  "Man, I love smoking and suddenly I have cancer!  What a shock!"Do you drink?  Do you get drunk?  Well guess what...you doing that might very easily kill me or any number of people around you at any given time.  So my solution is this...if a place serves alcohol, a substance people willingly ingest that could kill them or people around them for a variety reasons, how about we allow smoking in those places as well?  Hell, I don't even need that...a smoking section will do just fine.  Because otherwise these bannings are bullshit hypocritcal rulings as long as it's perfectly hunky-dory to stuff yourself with countless other things that MAY kill you down the line, or MAY lead to people around you getting killed.If cigarettes are SO fucking deadly, then fucking ban them altogether.  None of this halfassed shit.  Either we can or we can't.  You're the "Mr. Slippery Slope" crybaby when basketball teams want to test their players for something that MIGHT kill them down the line...yet this is A-OK!  Segregating and infringing on the rights and personal freedoms of people because they do something that MAY kill or harm them or people around them down the line.  Yeah, fuck those smokers!  MY rights are more important!Bullshit.<img src="http://scripts.cgispy.com/image.cgi?u=TheMojoPin" border="0" /> Dancing with the women at the bar... << He knows his Claret from his Beaujolais >> "You can tell some lies about the good times we've had, but I've kissed your mother twice...and now I'm working on your dad..."

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Bulldogcakes

01-13-2006, 05:26 PM

http://www.cbc.ca/stories/2003/05/16/smoking030516 Throw in the fact that the entire basis for banning (dangers of second hand smoke) is unproven. 

TORONTO -

Researchers reported Friday that the dangers of second-hand smoke may
not be as great as previously thought, provoking outrage from critics
who question the study's methods and funding from the tobacco industry. <ul><li>INDEPTH: <a href="http://www.cbc.ca/news/indepth/smoking/index.html">Smoking up a Storm</a> </li></ul>

The study compared lung cancer and heart disease rates in the spouses of
more than 35,500 smokers and nonsmokers using data from 1960 to 1998. It
appears in the May 17 issue of the British Medical Journal. 

The researchers concluded there is no difference, so if there is a risk
it is minimal and the association has been overstated.  Game, set, match.  

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HBox

01-13-2006, 05:34 PM

I don't give two rats shits if you die from smoking. And quit with the stupid "Just ban it." You know as well as anyone else that it isn't even remotely possible. I'd fucking support it, but it ain't fucking happening.And I fucking hate this attitude from smokers that you are only doing this to yourself. Pretend I'm screaming this: "I DON'T GIVE TWO SHITS ABOUT THE HEALTH OF SMOKERS!" You are a fucking nuisance and a health hazard to anyone around you. Even in restaurants and bars, smoking and non-smoking sections don't matter. You come out of the place smelling like shit no matter where you sit. You're rights end when I have to breath in your fucking poison when I'm minding my own goddamned business. I have as much a right to be in these places as you do, and you DON'T have the right to drive me away. You made the choice to smoke, other people didn't.MY rights are more important!Yeah, that's the height of fucking irony. Your right to kill yourself anywhere you fucking choose to and fuck all to anyone who's unfortunate enough to be around you at the time. That's right's more important.And another thing, about that "sterling genetics' comment. You know nothing about me. But thanks for taking it to that level in an argument about smoking. I was trying to keep this somewhat light-hearted since I know this is a subject that enrages me, as you see. But no, lets just start being an ass because of a couple of stupid South Park jokes. Great. Thanks a lot man. 

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HBox

01-13-2006, 05:37 PM

quote:http://www.cbc.ca/stories/2003/05/16/smoking030516 Throw in the fact that the entire basis for banning (dangers of second hand smoke) is unproven.  quote: 

TORONTO -

Researchers reported Friday that the dangers of second-hand smoke may
not be as great as previously thought, provoking outrage from critics
who question the study's methods and funding from the tobacco industry. <ul><li>INDEPTH: <a href="http://www.cbc.ca/news/indepth/smoking/index.html">Smoking up a Storm</a> </li></ul>

The study compared lung cancer and heart disease rates in the spouses of
more than 35,500 smokers and nonsmokers using data from 1960 to 1998. It
appears in the May 17 issue of the British Medical Journal. 

The researchers concluded there is no difference, so if there is a risk
it is minimal and the association has been overstated.  Game, set, match. 

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Kabat and his co-author acknowledge the study was largely funded by the
tobacco industry. 

Some say the source of the funding is enough reason for the British
Medical Journal to refuse to publish the paper. Two other journals
turned it down. 

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HBox

01-13-2006, 05:44 PM

<a href="http://www.americanheart.org/presenter.jhtml?identifier=3011851" target="_blank">More on the study Bulldog linked to.</a>Chief
among the scientific concerns with the study is that the measure of
exposure to second-hand smoke was whether or not a person was married
to a smoker.  “The conclusion that there was no measurable difference
in mortality between people married to smokers and those married to
non-smokers during the period 1960-1998 implies that living with a
non-smoker constituted no exposure to second-hand smoke,” Bonow said.

“Participants
were enrolled in 1959, when exposure to second-hand smoke was so
pervasive that virtually everyone was exposed to second-hand smoke,
whether or not they were married to a smoker,” said Bonow. This is
especially true for data from the 1960s, the 1970s, and even the 1980s,
because of the prevalence of second-hand smoke in many venues outside
the home, such as offices, restaurants, bars, even airlines and trains,
during these decades. Indeed, the concept of  “environmental tobacco
smoke” was not even acknowledged at the time this study was begun.

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Hottub

01-13-2006, 06:30 PM

Mojo! Back the fuck off!!!HBox is right on target here.Why are you stirring the shit?Maybe you need to take a trip to "Where The Flavor Is!!!"

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01-13-2006, 06:39 PM

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Death Metal Moe

01-13-2006, 06:42 PM

quote: yay next stop the pompton queen dinner smokeing section finaly get to sit in the nice part of the dinner without the wafty smell of dieing well if you dont count that creepy old man who always seams ot be there and gets controll of the remote <a href="http://somesuch.org/"><img src="http://suchsome.somesuch.org/RFBHsigger.jpg" border="0" /></a> number 333 its the way to be This message was edited by Sheeplovr on 1-9-06 @ 11:36 PM SHIT!  Do you live near me too Sheepy?  Pompton Queen is the BEST diner around!  I feel it even beats 6 Brothers and all the other diners out that way. 

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01-13-2006, 07:13 PM

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Sheeplovr

01-13-2006, 07:30 PM

this is from the guy who owns the strip club that those strippers on the state building were from  quote:"It's
about camaraderie. It's the way it's been for hundreds of years,"
Blumenfeld said. "The guys who signed the Declaration of Independence
were smokers."  yeah and slave owners quote:SHIT! Do you live near me
too Sheepy? Pompton Queen is the BEST diner around! I feel it even
beats 6 Brothers and all the other diners out that way.  No you live near me sir!and i've been watching you from afar for years it's
creepy how close we actully live from eatch other it's around 12
minuets like if we had more common intrest we would be best buddys 


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Death Metal Moe

01-13-2006, 07:45 PM

quote: quote: SHIT! Do you live near me too Sheepy? Pompton Queen is the BEST diner around! I feel it even beats 6 Brothers and all the other diners out that way.  No you live near me sir!and i've been watching you from afar for years it's creepy how close we actully live from eatch other it's around 12 minuets like if we had more common intrest we would be best buddys <a href="http://somesuch.org/"><img src="http://suchsome.somesuch.org/RFBHsigger.jpg" border="0" /></a> number 333 its the way to be This message was edited by Sheeplovr on 1-13-06 @ 11:42 PM So how come I've never run into you at the Kin-Mall or maybe seen you picking up a bag of mulch at Max is Back? 

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Sheeplovr

01-13-2006, 07:56 PM

So how come I've never run into you at the Kin-Mall or maybe seen you picking up a bag of mulch at Max is Back? because
i only go to the kinmall movie theator now and then when my freinds
want to im a picky person and like to go all the way up to the palis
ades mall for moviesbut how abotu that new music store in there
looks sorta nice i didnt enter because i have a fear of knocking over
expencive stuff  but i go to Bjs enough and Home depot that
really we should of bumpt into eatch other but i don't think im a
reconizable person i know id see you and have a panic attack that oh
gees there is the moe and id hide behind something waiting for you to
pass then fallow you to your car and watch you drive away ......  i just remember this is a smokeing thread not moe and sheepies Ringwood being so near Butler adventure time 
any who smokeing smells fuck health fuck personal enjoyment of
burning air it just smells what if it was just someone takeing a Shit
on a table and rubbing it all over the table and it reeks like shit and
theres a Shit Rubbers section and a non shit rubbers section i
dont want to sit near the shit smell ever so go outside and eat my ass
i waste my money on comics but nobody has to smell my comics you go
waste your money on tobaco 
  

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TheMojoPin

01-14-2006, 05:01 AM

quote: I don't give two rats shits if you die from smoking. And quit with the stupid "Just ban it." You know as well as anyone else that it isn't even remotely possible. I'd fucking support it, but it ain't fucking happening. And I fucking hate this attitude from smokers that you are only doing this to yourself. Pretend I'm screaming this: "I DON'T GIVE TWO SHITS ABOUT THE HEALTH OF SMOKERS!" You are a fucking nuisance and a health hazard to anyone around you. Even in restaurants and bars, smoking and non-smoking sections don't matter. You come out of the place smelling like shit no matter where you sit. You're rights end when I have to breath in your fucking poison when I'm minding my own goddamned business. I have as much a right to be in these places as you do, and you DON'T have the right to drive me away. You made the choice to smoke, other people didn't.Cry me a fucking river.  Again, I bring up the alcohol example.  How about cell phones?  Those are annoying as fuck and drive people away AND certain studies supposedly show they cause cancer.  I'm just seriously pissed that one select group is being singled out for the potentially bad thing they choose to do, yet others are allowed to go right on ahead with their bullshit. quote: MY rights are more important!  Yeah, that's the height of fucking irony. Your right to kill yourself anywhere you fucking choose to and fuck all to anyone who's unfortunate enough to be around you at the time. That's right's more important.See above.  Now we're picking and choosing which potentially unhealthy things are OK to do around others?  It's hypocritical when certain things are blatantly singled out and other aren't. And another thing, about that "sterling genetics' comment. You know nothing about me. But thanks for taking it to that level in an argument about smoking. I was trying to keep this somewhat light-hearted since I know this is a subject that enrages me, as you see. But no, lets just start being an ass because of a couple of stupid South Park jokes. Great. Thanks a lot man.Oh, PLEASE.  You have ASTHMA.  What, am I supposed to act like the martyr if somebody makes fun of me being lactose intolerant?  I love that this argument is hypocritical even on this level since this thread was: A) blatantly making fun of smokers from the start B) people were specifically taking shots at me, including you, before I made any kind of jokes directed at anyone here.  So anyone pointing fingers, it's very convenient that apparently my posts are the only ones visible in this thread.  Oh, but that's right.  "Making fun of people who smoke is OK!  Pile it on!  But fuck them if they say anything back!  How DARE they!"But beyond that, I still point out your reaction to the Bulls wanting to test a player for something that MIGHT harm or kill him down the line and basing how he gets treated on that possibility, yet here you don't give a damn that laws are being written because of how something MIGHT affect someone's health down the line.  Yes, I realize the asthma does make it more appealing to you, but so would banning shellfish from all restaurants for people allergic to them.  Again, I'm just asking why are we only banning one thing that MIGHT cause health problems yet allowing others to remain?  And then people bring up the SMELL issue?  Like I said, what about people who douse themselves in hideous cologne or perfume?&n

HBox

01-14-2006, 08:40 AM

Again, you don't fucking know what you are talking about. I don't have asthma, dick. If I did, I wouldn't fucking care. I have something else, much worse, which made me think you were mocking me in the first post. And then the second post really hit home, in ways you just don't fucking understand. That tends to happen when you don't know what the fuck you are talking about. I
love that this argument is hypocritical even on this level since this
thread was: A) blatantly making fun of smokers from the start B) people
were specifically taking shots at me, including you, before I made any
kind of jokes directed at anyone here.Didn't your first post in the thread, before anyone mentioned you at all, pretty much say all smokers are cool, and everyone else isn't. Yeah, it's a harmless joke, but everything was until you went too far.And that Bulls analogy is not valid. Whether or not Eddy Curry has a heart condition, and whether or not he gets DNA testing has no direct effect on the health of anyone around him. If that were the case with smoking, if I could sit next to someone while they smoked 10 cartons and not be affected one bit, then I'd have no problem whatsoever. Alcohol is harmful when abused. I've never broken out coughing while sitting next to someone chugging a beer. I've never walked out of a bar reeking because everyone was  drinking inside. Smoking is harmful when used anytime, not just to themselves but to everyone around them.

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TheMojoPin

01-14-2006, 09:07 AM

quote: Again, you don't fucking know what you are talking about. I don't have asthma, dick. If I did, I wouldn't fucking care. I have something else, much worse, which made me think you were mocking me in the first post. And then the second post really hit home, in ways you just don't fucking understand. That tends to happen when you don't know what the fuck you are talking about.Ah, OK.  Yeah, I really shouldn't have cancelled my subscription to the HBox Daily Gazette.  It's my fault I don't have any idea about a thing in your life SINCE I HAVE NO IDEA WHO YOU ARE.  So let's never say anything possibly offensive to anyone here unless we know them personally and are familiar with their life.  I vaguely recalled someone in one of these somking threads having asthma as I thought it was you.  I guess I apologize for not being aware of your entire medical history since at this point I know your sig pic more than you.  Though I'm sure if I had done it quoting a cartoon or someone on the O&A show, it would've been HIGH-LARIOUS.  quote: I love that this argument is hypocritical even on this level since this thread was: A) blatantly making fun of smokers from the start B) people were specifically taking shots at me, including you, before I made any kind of jokes directed at anyone here.  Didn't your first post in the thread, before anyone mentioned you at all, pretty much say all smokers are cool, and everyone else isn't. Yeah, it's a harmless joke, but everything was until you went too far.And you HONESTLY expected me to somehow know...to magically pluck from the ether...that anything I said went too far?  Shouldn't the sheer absurdity of my first post indicate I'm clearly talking out of my ass and just busting balls?  I mean, what do you expect?  That all jokes that potentially even hint at someone's medical history, even in the most vague and absurd way possible and are said by someone who couldn't even possibly know what the hell you'd be offended about in the first place (or even still are) should be verboten? And that Bulls analogy is not valid. Whether or not Eddy Curry has a heart condition, and whether or not he gets DNA testing has no direct effect on the health of anyone around him. If that were the case with smoking, if I could sit next to someone while they smoked 10 cartons and not be affected one bit, then I'd have no problem whatsoever.The dangers of secondhand smoke are still not conclusively known.  What's inhaled by people around smokers and what the smokers are sucking into them are not the same thing.  Am I naive enough to think being bombarded with secondhand smoke isn't going to contribute or cause medical problems in some people?  Of course not.  But why is the instant solution from point A to point Z with nothing in between?  It should be up to each establishment, as long as they are privately owned and funded, to decide this.  I object to governments, federal and local, stepping in and declaring it EVERYWHERE.  Business can decide for themselves and weigh the pros and cons of whether or not they want people smoking inside, or whether they want smoking sections or whatever they decide.  Alcohol is harmful when abused. I've never broken out coughing while sitting next to someone chugging a beer.But statistically you're more likely to be kill

HBox

01-14-2006, 09:43 AM

You know what Mojo, just go fuck yourself. I have no idea why you went to that level, and I don't want to know anymore. It's one thing to make a joke, and another thing to make a direct personal attack on someone during an argument. And you obviously don't know the fucking difference. 

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TheMojoPin

01-14-2006, 10:30 AM

So every "your mama" joke ever posted on this site got the same reaction from you?  Because I was pulling the equivalent of that and "what's the most absurd insult I could possibly think of" and throwing them together.  How can something be a "direct personal attack" when I know absolutely nothing about you?  Apparently you think I was somehow going right for something I knew would hit you where it hurt.  Yeah, get over yourself.  I don't know a thing about you...how am I supposed to?  How did you know any of what you posted about me wasn't horribly traumatic?"You DICK!  A bunch of goth kids in black trenchcoats shot up my school!  My best friend died in my arms!  HOW DARE YOU!!!""Fuck off, asshole!  I'm an albino and making fun of my condition is lower than low."There is no "that level" here.  I made an obviously ridiculous insult in jest and you're thinking like I purposely went out of my way to hit you with something I somehow apparently MUST know is the most offensive thing to you personally.  Again, get over yourself.  It was a JOKE.  If it's somehow traumatic, well, I am sorry.  That sucks that things randomly said to you on an internet message board could at any time be the worst insult possible.  But get off the cross and quit acting like I fucking knew that beforehand.  I guess we'll never be seeing you EVER saying anything that's even remotely offensive or insulting to anyone here, even as a joke, because, hey, you never know, right?

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FUNKMAN

01-14-2006, 10:50 AM

at times like these i like to post the lyrics to an appropriate song, one - to piss off Newport :-),  and two - i'm not sure...Break up to make up, that's all we do First you love me then you hate me That's a game for fools Break up to make up that's all we do First you love me then you hate me That's a game for fools When I come home from workin', you're on the phone Talkin' about how bad I treat you, now tell me I'm wrong You say it's me who argues, I'll say it's you We have got to get together or baby, we're throughand as an added bonusWhen your day is long and the night, The night is yours alone, When you're sure you've had enough With this life, Well hang on Don't let yourself go, 'Couse everybody cries And everybody hurts sometimes Sometimes everything is wrong Now it's time to sing along When your days is night alone, If you feel like letting go, When you think you've had too much Of this life, Well hang on Everybody hurts Take comfort in your friends Everybody hurts Don't throw your hand Oh, no Don't throw your hand If you feel like you're alone, No, no, no, you are not alone Remember: We all still love you both!

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mikeyboy

01-14-2006, 11:03 AM

Okay, that's probably enough.  Time to step back.  If you guys really feel the need to continue this, please take it off board.

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TheMojoPin

01-14-2006, 11:08 AM

Alright, alright.Sorry for the ruckus.  HBox, I seriously have no idea what I said to set you off.  If you want to clue me in off the board, great.  I'm honestly in the dark and know zippy about you.  But, since it apparently was over the line, I apologize.

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01-14-2006, 11:28 AM

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Snoogans

01-14-2006, 11:31 AM

Sorry for the ruckus.  HBox, I seriously have no idea what I said to set you off you
attacked his genetics when he has a disease that is genetic, and it's
not asthma. I don't know what, but I know enough just from reading the
board to know you went over the line, mojo 

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TheMojoPin

01-14-2006, 02:07 PM

Apparently.Trust me when I say I had and still have no clue what HBox's condition is, or that he even had one.  And I'm a little distressed people think I would have said what I did, even as the joke it was, if I knew.  So, again, I apologize.  If I had known, I wouldn't have said what I did.

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spoon

01-16-2006, 02:48 AM

What genetic disease could be worse than being born Snoogans?  As for the argument at hand, I have to side with Hbox.  I'd take Mojo's side of it if we were talking about the seat belt law for adults, but smoking does affect those around you.  That study linked by Bulldogckes is a clear cut bullshit paper, debunked be 99% of the important journals/science rags.  I love how BDC just links it with the disclaimer of bias and claims it as all the evidence he needs "game, set, match".  And what's the percentage of lung cancer patients which are linked to smoking (including second-hand smoke especially before the late 80's?  I believe it accounts for around 90% of the cases or more.  I can't cite it, but I remember reading it somewhere.  Sure Mojo, we feel so bad for the poor repressed smoker.  How do you move on from here?  You speak of smokers as if they have to overcome some social stigma, burden or pressure wrongly placed on them.  Is it time to start the smokers movement?  Perfect timing since it's MLK day, and they thought they had it bad.  If only we could understand the trials of the persecuted smoker.  Here's a hint, smoke in private.  The public isn't the only group being protected here, it's also the workers at these establishments who spend countless hours in these conditions many days a week, perhaps throughout their lives.  Sure one might say get a new job, but for some this isn't a very viable option for many reasons.  I love the new law.  

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TheMojoPin

01-16-2006, 05:49 AM

Again, what's wrong with letting PRIVATE businesses deciding if they want smoking on their property or not?  If a business allows it and they lose money, you can bet they'd ban it in a heartbeat.  If they don't, and the business thrives, why shouldn't they be allowed to have smokers inside?  And in any case, I'm not asking for anything more than a smoking section.  And how am I the only one bothered by the government making laws that apply to private property in regards to what legal substances people decide to ingest?  So you'd all be OK if they somehow ban foods served in restaurants above a certain fat or calorie count because it's technically bad for you?  If it's the nuisance factor, what if they ban cell phones from being used anywhere except outside?  This IS a slippery slope...leave these decisions up to the business owners.  The government can regulate federal property in this way, and that's it.

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A.J.

01-16-2006, 06:20 AM

Make designated smoking and non-smoking bars.  There: problem solved.

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TheMojoPin

01-16-2006, 07:40 AM

There's another idea that makes sense!  Why was banning it outright EVERYWHERE the ONLY answer?

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Snoogans

01-16-2006, 07:49 AM

Plus you could have a smoker's bar on one side of the street, and a non
one on the other side. All the patrons can lineup in front and slowly
meet for knife fights in the middle of the street 

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TheMojoPin

01-16-2006, 07:51 AM

I don't like that part...gotta give the advantage to the people with more lung capacity.

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FUNKMAN

01-16-2006, 08:31 AM

why do people purposely want to SHTINK?   

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grlNIN

01-16-2006, 09:05 AM

quote:Plus you could have a smoker's bar on one side of the street, and a non
one on the other side. All the patrons can lineup in front and slowly
meet for knife fights in the middle of the street 
I had a similar idea about people with babies and strollers. Save the middleground for those in wheelchairs. 
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spoon

01-16-2006, 11:57 AM

And I had the same idea with darkies.  Hey, it worked in the past......Knife fight it is!!!!  You're going down numbers!!  Now we'll see who's smarter!

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Bulldogcakes

02-28-2006, 02:29 PM

<a href="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/replytotopic.cfm/Forum/87/Topic/48217/currentpage/Australia mulls car smoking ban" target="_self" title="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/4757498.stm">
Australia mulls car smoking ban</a>Authorities in Australia's most populous state, New South Wales, are to consider banning smoking in cars. 

A parliamentary inquiry will look at the effects of passive smoking on passengers, particularly children.
 It never ends.  <a href="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/replytotopic.cfm/Forum/87/Topic/48217/currentpage/Australia mulls car smoking ban" target="_self" title="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/4757498.stm"></a>

A.J.

03-01-2006, 04:09 AM

If you're going to ban smoking in all of these places then just ban tobacco altogther for christ's sake.

Bulldogcakes

03-01-2006, 01:25 PM

A.J. wrote: If you're going to ban smoking in all of these places then just ban tobacco altogther for christ's sake. Silly AJ. Then they cant tax the shit out of it, and recoup 5x what it costs them in health care.  <blockquote />

sr71blackbird

03-01-2006, 02:03 PM

Whats next?  Jersey will prevent left hand turns and put a toll booth on every road...?

LordJezo

04-12-2006, 05:14 AM

Two days to go.. I wonder if this will actually happen.  There are still groups out there with last ditch lawsuits, there is still a chance a judge will shut it all down before Saturday gets here.

Don Stugots

04-12-2006, 06:37 AM

Bulldogcakes wrote: <a title="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/4757498.stm" href="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/replytotopic.cfm/Forum/87/Topic/48217/currentpage/Australia%20mulls%20car%20smoking%20ban" target="_self">Australia mulls car smoking ban</a> Authorities in Australia's most populous state, New South Wales, are to consider banning smoking in cars.  A parliamentary inquiry will look at the effects of passive smoking on passengers, particularly children.     It never ends.  <a title="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/4757498.stm" href="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/replytotopic.cfm/Forum/87/Topic/48217/currentpage/Australia%20mulls%20car%20smoking%20ban" target="_self"></a>I may be wrong but didnt LA have this in effect already?  or if you smoked you had to leave the windows closed and your kid cant be in the car.

LordJezo

04-14-2006, 03:11 AM

Only a few hours left..

Sheeplovr

04-14-2006, 03:55 AM

any news on the 25 ft ban as wellcause even better they won't be able to stand out front

Mike Teacher

04-14-2006, 04:41 AM

Oh mister sandman wont you listen to me please I'm saying Ill stay in bed but Ill pretend Im on my knees and praying One for my hunger and another for my greed And just forget about my envy Lord and give me what I need, I need a Last cigarette, last cigarette, last cigarette, one before I go to bed Last cigarette, last cigarette, last cigarette, one before I go to bed A wha wha hua, a wha wha wha hua, a wha wha wha hua, a wha wha wha hua A wha wha wha hua, a wha wha wha hua, a wha wha wha hua, a wha wha wha hua I know its killing me I know its killing me I know its killing me Yea I know I know I know I know I know I know I need a Last cigarette, last cigarette, last cigarette, one before I go to bed Last cigarette, last cigarette, last cigarette, one before I go to bed

Friday

04-14-2006, 09:23 PM

I am not sure what is up with moving the age from 18 to 19...
especially considering that the average 16 year old girl looks about 25
nowadays...I CAN say, however, that I am all for the new laws
about no smoking in bars/restaurants.  I have many friends and
family who smoke and believe that a persons lifestyle choices are their
own.  It's all good.But as a singer I can atest to not
being able to see my own guitarist through the massive cloud of smoke
that develops in a poorly ventilated bar on more than one
occasion.  LOL.  Not to mention it is not the best thing for
the chords.... AND alla that second hand smoke leading to cancer and
blahdeblah....My thoughts.... if you choose smoking then rock on wit yo bad self.... but don't bring me into it, ya know?PLUS...
I take great care in making sure that I am always clean and smelling
like Angel ... cig smoke is probably the most un-sexy smell ever ...
icky. I am not forcing you into any of my bad habits... don't bring me into yours dollfaces. wheeee

suggums

04-14-2006, 09:52 PM

time for a jack

LordJezo

04-15-2006, 04:39 PM

Anyone been out to the bars yet? How's the ban going?

Gvac

04-15-2006, 04:57 PM

LordJezo wrote: Anyone been out to the bars yet? How's the ban going?   Coming home around 1:30 this morning I passed the biker bar near my house.  It was so weird seeing tons of people standing outside smoking.  I rarely go to bars anymore, and when I do it's usually in the city so I'm used to being ostracized like a leper.

HBox

04-15-2006, 04:58 PM

LordJezo wrote: Anyone been out to the bars yet? How's the ban going?   Fire and brimstone coming down from the skies. Rivers and seas boiling, Forty years of darkness. Earthquakes, volcanos. The dead rising from the grave. Human sacrifice. Dogs and cats living together- MASS HYSTERIA!

Sheeplovr

04-15-2006, 05:16 PM

don't forget 25 feet away from any opening to the building including
windows and you gotta wrtie to the department of health and human
services to complain about a place breaking the rules

Bulldogcakes

04-15-2006, 05:21 PM

They added the 25 foot rule because they figured if smokers had to walk 25 feet, they'd get all out of breath and just go home.    

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FUNKMAN

04-15-2006, 07:17 PM

went to two bars tonight and no smoke... it was dee-lite fulgroove is in the heart ah yay yay yaygroove is in the heartyou crazy man...

Bulldogcakes

04-16-2006, 05:47 AM

SMOKERS UNITE!!!NO JUSTICE (cough) NO PEACE!!NO JUSTICE (cough cough) NO PEACE!! (hack cough hack)

Loveless

04-16-2006, 08:00 AM

Went to 3 bars last night.....it was so cool to be inside and not feel like you're going to pass out from lack of cigarette-free air.  Although the bars did seem a little bit empty last night.  Is it due to the smoking ban or the holiday weekend?  Whatever the case, it was nice to come home after a night of bar hopping and not smell like cigarettes.Smoking ban ftw!!!