Why No Cheerleaders In Baseball?

[Reephdweller]

What would stop a baseball franchise from replacing a tired mascott with a team of hit cheerleading chicks? A number of popular sports have cheerleaders, though not good ole' baseball. Is there a reason why not, or a rule about it or something?

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[Hottub]

I think one foul ball to the vulva would do away with that pretty quickly!

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Hottub, that is what I was thinking but I could not put it as eloquently.

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[Reephdweller]

<p>I bet if a team did it though, it would get a lot of noteriety and probably increased attendance.</p>

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[Bulldogcakes]

<p>Actually, I think attendence would fall. <br /></p><p>Baseball probably has the most appeal to women of the 3 major sports. Football is very much a guy thing, Basketball an urban guy thing. But alot of women like and watch Baseball. Its a no contact, non violent and fairly graceful game. Plus its very traditional and family oriented. If you added cheerleaders, you'd lose alot of female fans, and I'd estimate they're around 1/4 to 1/3 of the total fan base. </p>

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[pennington]

<p>It's a good idea.&nbsp; Too bad there isn't someone like Charlie Finley around any more.</p><p>One of the problems is the time between innings is fast and the players use the field.&nbsp; Also, where would they stand? The foul territory is in play during the game and there isn't enough room in the dug out.&nbsp;Maybe they could come out during the 7th inning stretch.</p>

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<p><strong><font size="1">Why No Cheerleaders In Baseball?</font></strong> </p><p>Cuz baseballs for fags - </p><p><img height="343" src="http://gr.bolt.com/oldsite/games/ps2/sports/surfing_h306.jpg" width="300" border="0" /></p>

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[Sheeplovr]

why no Entertainment in watching Baseball?<br />


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<p><img src="http://www.alinadesign.com/japan/tokyo/tokyo-images/121.jpg" border="0" /></p><p>Apparently it's a common thing in Japan and Korea.&nbsp; It just doesn't look right, does it?&nbsp; Most of the time they're not on the field but on top of the dugouts.&nbsp; And a shot to the vulva is really not that crazy a possibilty. </p><p>But baseball is such a slow moving game what would they have to cheer for exactly? A better question might be why are there no cheerleaders in hockey?&nbsp; Though again, where would you put them?&nbsp; </p><img src="http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b47/alden97/sigpicfrescav.jpg" border="0" />

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[Snoogans]

<p><font size="0" face="verdana" color="black">Baseball probably has the
most appeal to women of the 3 major sports. Football is very much a guy
thing, Basketball an urban guy thing. But alot of women like and watch
Baseball. Its a no contact, non violent and fairly graceful game. Plus
its very traditional and family oriented. If you added cheerleaders,
you'd lose alot of female fans, and I'd estimate they're around 1/4 to
1/3 of the total fan base.</font></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>thats actually a very good point&nbsp;</p>

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[Reephdweller]

<p>I think a lot more women watch football these days then you think. I'm not suggesting that baseball doesn't have that family&nbsp;appeal that other sports wish they had. Though lots of women watch football.</p><p>I don't see attendance at football nor basketball games being so low. So I doubt it would have a negative effect. </p><p>Plus it seemed to be a HUGE hit in the movie Baseketball!</p><p><img height="198" src="http://baseketball.spalliance.net/images/beerscheerleaders2.jpg" width="295" border="0" /></p><img src="http://www.chaoticconcepts.com/randomizer/random.php?uid=3" border="0" /> <a href="http://www.osirusonline.com/" target="blank">Spread The Osirus...</a><font color="#ff0000" size="1"><a href="http://www.myspace.com/reefdweller" target="blank">Reef on MySpace</a>Right now you could care less about me... but soon enough you will care, by the time I'm done</font>

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I can't see cheerleaders lasting through a whole baseball game... not to mention a 15 inning game!

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[ChrisTheCop]

<p>Football, hockey, basketball and soccer are all basically the same game, and the fans need to be reminded by the cheerleaders which one theyre watching. </p><p>baseball fans dont need any more reason to get into the game than the game itself.</p>

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[Snoogans]

thats the most insane thing ive ever read. Yea football and hockey are exactly the same, except for the puck and stick and skates and oh yea ice. Basketball yea exactly the same. <br />

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[ChrisTheCop]

<p>If you dont see the similarities, lemme point em out.</p><p>Back and forth...back and forth, trying to get into the other guy's territory in order to score on his goal, all within a certain time limit.</p><p>which of those sports did I just describe?</p><p><img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/flush.gif" border="0" /></p>

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[Snoogans]

<p>Dude you are so wrong its unbelievable. One, baseball does have a &quot;time limit&quot; 9 tries. And you go back and forth with your tries. Just like the other sports.&nbsp;</p><p>Also, if thats all it takes for sports to be the same, Baseball and Cricket are EXACTLY the same. Except cricket really gives you alot of chances. If it didnt have a limit of some sort, it would never end. </p><p>&nbsp;Also, soccer never stops except half time. Football stops every few seconds. Hockey and basketball only for an infraction. The equiptment is different.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>You are basically saying a ferrari and a geo are the same, when its not even close. They do similar things but in far, far different ways, ways that make saying they are the same just retarded&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;

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The Bruins have ice girls. Hot young chicks who go out and collect things on the ice during breaks.<br />

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[HBox]

<p><font color="Navy"><font size="2">Try and guess what sport I'm describing:</font></font></p><p><font color="Navy"><font size="2">Sitting there watching nothing happen 75% of the time.</font></font> </p>

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[Snoogans]

baseball, cricket, maybe curling, possibly fishing, archery, hunting, oh oh, poker HBox?<br />

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[HBox]

<p><font color="Navy"><font size="2">In curling you're watching nothing happen 100% of the time.</font></font></p><p><font color="Navy"><font size="2">AND POKER ISN'T A SPORT!</font></font><br />

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[Snoogans]

<p>no, if its on ESPN, it must be a sport. It was mainly a joke.</p><p>I will say poker isnt a sport, niether is spelling or, to me, even hunting and fishing. Those are hobbies they show on TV. But it was to make a point. </p><p>And, theoretically, the avg NFL play takes 5 seconds, the play clock is 40, so you sit around watching nothing happen about 80-85% of the time in football. Technically&nbsp;</p>

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[HBox]

Good point, good point. It's amazing how it doesn't feel like that, unlike some other sports.<br />

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[Snoogans]

well cause baseball, its like 1 pitch, 90 seconds, then 3 pitches in 60 seconds, a hit here, its not a constant thing. In football, its constant play then about 30-35 seconds then a play, then about 30-35 seconds, and guys go in and out and there are more things to look for, cause more then just the one play happens. You can watch just the CB on an NFL play and see him do something. In baseball, watch the RF on a LF fly ball scratch his ass. Thats why it feels different. <br />

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[Bama]

The girls would get in the way when a ball went into foul territory. You'd have to put em on top of the dugouts or something. That would obstruct views.<br />

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[ChrisTheCop]

<p>Wow.</p><p>I never said those games were a waste of everyones time--just mine. What i said is that they are all based on the same principle. You have to see that. </p><p>I mentioned 4 sports that were alike.</p><p>In order to find something close to baseball, you had to refer to Cricket.</p><p>What are you watching The Ocho?</p><p>Face it, Baseball is unique. Thats why its America's game.</p>

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[Snoogans]

baseball is America's game? Thats why football PISSES on baseball in terms of ratings and money making. Baseball is having nothing but problems because they cant control themselves, and no one wants to see a 4 hour game cause they changed 11 pitchers. I love baseball, but its unique because if they tried to make another game that boring, NO ONE would watch it. <br />

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[ChrisTheCop]

<p>ok, so snoogans wants cheerleaders in baseball to spice it up. </p><p>i dont see the need. Best game goin today!!!!</p><p>(please leave your red sox nation card at the door).</p>

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[Snoogans]

<p>yea thats it, after reading where i posted that their shouldnt be cheerleaders, and agreed that they may hurt the sport.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Im finished argueing with people who cant seem to read&nbsp;</p>

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[ChrisTheCop]

<p>lal. whats up snoogs? did i not buy you a drink i promised ya or something? lighten up!!!!</p><p>you can keep your membership card. geez.</p><p>I'm done arguing with people who wont budge. ok ok...soccer, football, basketball and hockey have no similarities whatsoever. ok???</p><p>oh...here: <img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/bye.gif" border="0" /></p><img src="http://rfcop.50megs.com/images/jersey_rich-fluffernutter_sigpic.gif" border="0" />

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[Snoogans]

<p>no its just im having a discussion, and i think its serious, then i realize the person didnt read half of what i said. I already said I love baseball, but it can be boring. </p><p>The only real similarity between football, hockey, and what not is that they have constant action. Nothing else is really that close. You can make 3 broad statements and make them the same.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Baseball the object is to score more then the other team, with the limited number of chances you have to score. The rest of the time you spend trying to stop other teams from scoring.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>I just described EVERY sport&nbsp;</p>

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you know the pictures show up in the post box, so you can tell they dont work before you post them<br />

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It did work, not sure why it didn't when it was posted.

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[ChrisTheCop]

<p>sigh..i guess we'll continue...</p><p></p><p>yea thats it, after reading where i posted that their shouldnt be cheerleaders, and agreed that they may hurt the sport.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p></p><p>you made me look. psych? where'd you post that? I went back and read and all but one of your posts was bashing my opinion. if it's there i cant find it. please quote it. thanx.</p><p>and yes. every sport's goal is to win. on that we are agreed. but i cant believe you dont see the difference between baseball and every other sport (except...cricket). </p><p>as for the car&nbsp;analogy, i would say that football, basketball, soccer and hockey are (in no order) ferrari, bmw, jeep and geo....but baseball would have to be a washing machine.</p>

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[Snoogans]

i quoted a paragraph sayin how it would hurt and this and that and then agreed with it. <br />

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[Snoogans]

<p><font size="0" face="verdana" color="black">and yes. every sport's goal
is to win. on that we are agreed. but i cant believe you dont see the
difference between baseball and every other sport (except...cricket).</font></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>i didnt say that. what im sayin is, i see the difference in EVERY sport. The best soccer player in the world would get killed on a football field, and probably make a HORRIBLE hockey player. That alone makes them different enough.&nbsp;</p><p>If you want i can give you a paragraph about how golf is as athletic as baseball, and you couldnt argue it. Golf isnt the same, though you swing and hit a ball with the goal of getting certain scores. You cant broadly lump sports together, thats the point&nbsp;</p>

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[ChrisTheCop]

<p>lemme ask you this:</p><p>are chess and checkers <strong><em>similar</em></strong>???</p><p>i think they are. even though they have different rules, and one is harder than the other.</p><p>but theyre both played by two people, on a checkered board, while sitting at a table.</p><p>this is the same way that football, hockey, basketball, and soccer are <strong><em>similar.</em></strong></p><p>will u agree with me that baseball has less in common with the other 4 than they have with eachother?</p>

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<font style="font-size: 9px" face="Verdana">quote: </font>You'd have to put em on top of the dugouts or something. That would obstruct views.<br /><br /><img height="240" src="http://www.springfieldparadise.com/episodes/7f05.jpg" width="320" border="0" />

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<p>If you want i can give you a paragraph about how golf is as athletic as baseball, and you couldnt argue it.</p><p>No, you couldn't.&nbsp; That's a retarded claim, Snoog-diggy.&nbsp; For one thing, when do you ever have to run in golf?</p>

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<p> </p><font face="Verdana" style="font-size: 9px;">quote:</font>baseball is America's game? Thats why football PISSES on baseball in terms of ratings and money making. <br />Snoogans is right, and its not debatable. The NFL has gross revenues of about 6 billion dollars. MLB has gross revenues of 3.5 billion.<p> </p><p>Where your wrong Snoogans is about the time limit. An NFL game is 60 minutes, maybe with a 15 minute overtime. Baseball you have to record 27 outs, and those 27 outs can take 2,3,4 hours or more. Then throw in extra innings and you could be there literally all night and into the next day. </p><p>

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[ChrisTheCop]

<p>baseball is America's game? Thats why football PISSES on baseball in terms of ratings and money making. <br /></p>...&nbsp;and its not debatable <p>&nbsp;</p><p>and yet, I submit that if you do a Google Image search for &quot;America's game&quot; youll find more diamonds than goal posts.</p><p>It's not all about $$$ kids. It's whats in the minds and hearts of your fellow Americans.</p><p>We're talkin' baseball!!!</p>

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[ChrisTheCop]

<p>and here, i did the google for ya;</p><p><a href="http://images.google.com/images?q=america%27s+game&hl=en&btnG=Search+Images">http://images.google.com/images?q=america%27s+game&amp;hl=en&amp;btnG=Search+Images</a></p>

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[TheMojoPin]

<p>Certain sports may make more money, or have higher ratings, but baseball is and always will be &quot;America's pastime.&quot;&nbsp; It just is.</p><p>Shit, more kids in America play soccer at some point than they do football.&nbsp; Is that suddenly more popular?</p>

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[Snoogans]

<font size="0" face="verdana" color="black">If you want i can give you a paragraph about how golf is as athletic as baseball, and you couldnt argue it.</font><p><font size="0" face="verdana" color="black">No, you couldn't.&nbsp; That's a retarded claim, Snoog-diggy.&nbsp; For one thing, when do you ever have to run in golf?</font></p><p></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>obviously, you have never played. </p><p>Baseball, you run maybe 500 feet the whole game from need. infielders basically only run more then 10 feet when they hit. You swing a bat, say 3 ab's give you 5 swings an at bat, 15 times a game as hard as you can, then you sit or stand.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>In golf, you swing as hard as you can around 85-125 times, plus the practice swings every time like baseball. If you dont use a cart, you walk between FOUR and FIVE MILES per round. Also, even if you do use a cart, you still have to walk to places you arent allowed to drive, and if its wet, you cant drive on the grass. </p><p>Ive played baseball my whole life, and ive never been as stiff in my lower back and legs after a baseball game as i am after a round of golf. In terms of physical use of your body during games/rounds, its right about the same, maybe more in golf. &nbsp;</p>

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[Snoogans]

<p><font size="0" face="verdana" color="black">Where your wrong Snoogans
is about the time limit. An NFL game is 60 minutes, maybe with a 15
minute overtime. Baseball you have to record 27 outs, and those 27 outs
can take 2,3,4 hours or more. Then throw in extra innings and you could
be there literally all night and into the next day.</font></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>thats why i typed it as &quot;time limit&quot;. Regardless of the length, baseball does have a limit. 9 tries each. Sometimes it takes longer, sometimes its faster. Football is 60 minutes, sometimes its 80 plays, sometimes its 40, but they all have a limited oppurtunity to do what you have to do. Thats how i originally said it. &nbsp;</p>

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[Snoogans]

<p><font size="0" face="verdana" color="black">Certain sports may make more money, or have higher ratings, but baseball is and always will be &quot;America's pastime.&quot;&nbsp; It just is.</font></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>yes, PAST TIME. Not current america's game, as ChristheCop said. It was the most popular game.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>and the soccer analogy is skewed, Mojo, only because alot of parents cant afford the cost of football or are afraid the kids get hurt, where as soccer at the grade school level resembles a bunch of kids running toward a ball. &nbsp;</p>

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<font style="font-size: 9px" face="Verdana">quote: </font><font style="font-size: 9px" face="Verdana">quote: </font><font face="verdana" color="#000000" size="0">If you want i can give you a paragraph about how golf is as athletic as baseball, and you couldnt argue it.</font> <p><font face="verdana" color="#000000" size="0">No, you couldn't.&nbsp; That's a retarded claim, Snoog-diggy.&nbsp; For one thing, when do you ever have to run in golf?</font></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>obviously, you have never played. </p><p>Baseball, you run maybe 500 feet the whole game from need. infielders basically only run more then 10 feet when they hit. You swing a bat, say 3 ab's give you 5 swings an at bat, 15 times a game as hard as you can, then you sit or stand.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>In golf, you swing as hard as you can around 85-125 times, plus the practice swings every time like baseball. If you dont use a cart, you walk between FOUR and FIVE MILES per round. Also, even if you do use a cart, you still have to walk to places you arent allowed to drive, and if its wet, you cant drive on the grass. </p><p>Ive played baseball my whole life, and ive never been as stiff in my lower back and legs after a baseball game as i am after a round of golf. In terms of physical use of your body during games/rounds, its right about the same, maybe more in golf. &nbsp;</p><img src="http://scripts.cgispy.com/image.cgi?u=Snoogans194" border="0" /> GO SAWX!!!!! Hassan Eats Dick!!! Snoogans 1, Monitor 0 GIMMIE MY FUCKIN CHANGE, I AINT PLAYIN WIT YOU<p>Actually, I have played both, quite a bit, because my dad is an avid golfer and I love baseball.&nbsp; Golf hurts, and even my dad and most golfers I've talked to agree with me, because a proper golf swing is NOT a natural position for the body to be in, at any point.&nbsp; You're putting tremendous strain on your joints, muscles and points by twisting and contorting yourself in ways the simply does not go doing ANYTHING else in life.&nbsp; Yes, you will be sore playing a full round of golf.&nbsp; But in terms of all around physical fitness, effort and stamina?&nbsp; Baseball trumps golf a thousand times over.&nbsp; And hell, if you wanna argue that the pain is worse ing old because of the fucked up things you're doing to your body just to hit the damn ball, I submit being a baseball pitcher.&nbsp; Yeah, that's where you'll find the&nbsp;origins of the&nbsp;&quot;fat baseball player&quot; joke, but the torture those guys put their upper bodies through to just throw the damn ball is inhuman.&nbsp; Like gold, our bodies are not meant in everyday life to bend those ways on a regular basis.</p><p>I played most of my golf games in 90+ degree weather, and I'll take that any day before having to play as a hard-swinging shortstop or CFer any day of the week.&nbsp; Shit, and how about being a CATCHER?&nbsp; That's fucking brutal...<br /></p>

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<p>yes, PAST TIME. Not current america's game, as ChristheCop said</p><p>once again, do the google image search. i provided a link b4.</p><p>call me a liar if ya want...but google doesnt lie.</p>

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<p><font size="0" face="verdana" color="black"> Yes, you will be sore
playing a full round of golf.&nbsp; But in terms of all around physical
fitness, effort and stamina?&nbsp; Baseball trumps golf a thousand times
over.&nbsp; And hell, if you wanna argue that the pain is worse ing old
because of the fucked up things you're doing to your body just to hit
the damn ball, I submit being a baseball pitcher. </font></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>im glad you went there cause I pitched when I played baseball. Guess what was sore the day after a baseball game when i pitched and hit 4 times, my shoulder. THATS IT. </p><p>when i play golf, my back is sore, my legs are jello, im physically tired all over. In terms of physical strain on the body, golf puts more then a baseball game. A game im talkin. Not practices or anything, just a game.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>I pitched and played 3rd base, and I never ran more then 200 feet without stopping, even the couple times i played the OF. Running 8 bases in 3 hours and standing in the field moving every 20 minutes will not get you and worn down as walking 4 and a half miles, stopping to swing as hard as you can 100 times&nbsp;</p>

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<font style="font-size: 9px" face="Verdana">quote: </font><p>&nbsp;</p><font style="font-size: 9px" face="Verdana">quote: </font><font face="verdana" color="#000000" size="0">Certain sports may make more money, or have higher ratings, but baseball is and always will be &quot;America's pastime.&quot;&nbsp; It just is.</font> <p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>yes, PAST TIME. Not current america's game, as ChristheCop said. It was the most popular game.</p>No, it's called &quot;pastime&quot; because it's been there as long as we've had modern sports in this country.&nbsp; It has been there, is still there, and will always be there.&nbsp; It's a constant.&nbsp; When people all around the world think of a sport to equate to America, it IS baseball, hands down.&nbsp; Football loses that race right there because of how retarded the name sounds to anyone outside of our borders.&nbsp; Baseball IS America's sport.&nbsp; Maybe not in ratings or money at the moment, but in symbolism?&nbsp; Nothing even comes close.&nbsp; We've exported that game around the world SO much more than any of the other major sports invented or popularized here, and still do.<br />

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<p><font size="0" face="verdana" color="black">Shit, and how about being a CATCHER?&nbsp; That's fucking brutal..</font></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Ill give you that for the knees alone. Catchers have it rough, and worse then any golfer, but in terms of most positions, golf is more stressful&nbsp;</p>

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<p><font size="0" face="verdana" color="black">and yet, I submit that if you do a Google Image search for &quot;America's game&quot; youll find more diamonds than goal posts.</font></p><p><font size="0" face="verdana" color="black">It's not all about $$$ kids. It's whats in the minds and hearts of your fellow Americans.</font></p><p><font size="0" face="verdana" color="black">We're talkin' baseball!!!</font></p><p></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>The reason is, baseball is cheaper, and most parents arent afraid for their kids, so they let them play baseball. Half the kids who play sports only do cause their parents make them, and baseball is safer&nbsp;</p>

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<font style="font-size: 9px" face="Verdana">quote: </font><p>&nbsp;</p><font style="font-size: 9px" face="Verdana">quote: </font><font face="verdana" color="#000000" size="0">Yes, you will be sore playing a full round of golf.&nbsp; But in terms of all around physical fitness, effort and stamina?&nbsp; Baseball trumps golf a thousand times over.&nbsp; And hell, if you wanna argue that the pain is worse ing old because of the fucked up things you're doing to your body just to hit the damn ball, I submit being a baseball pitcher. </font><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>im glad you went there cause I pitched when I played baseball. Guess what was sore the day after a baseball game when i pitched and hit 4 times, my shoulder. THATS IT.</p><p>That really just says you had nothing.&nbsp; No speed, no &quot;tricks&quot;...nada.</p><p>when i play golf, my back is sore, my legs are jello, im physically tired all over. In terms of physical strain on the body, golf puts more then a baseball game. A game im talkin. Not practices or anything, just a game.</p><p>Dude.</p><p>Fucking work out!&nbsp; Golf has worn me out, but if you're like that EVERY DAMN TIME...that's not a good thing.&nbsp; Something is wrong.&nbsp; Either you're playing an insane form of golf I had no idea existed, or you could be MUCH&nbsp;healthier.&nbsp; Stretch, smoke less, run...damn, man.&nbsp; My dad has gotta be at least twice your age and he plays golf 2-3 times a week and basketball and he doesn't sound half as wiped as you.</p><p>I pitched and played 3rd base, and I never ran more then 200 feet without stopping, even the couple times i played the OF. Running 8 bases in 3 hours and standing in the field moving every 20 minutes will not get you and worn down as walking 4 and a half miles, stopping to swing as hard as you can 100 times</p><p>You're describing the kind of baseball you play up through middle school.&nbsp; You keep playing high school (and not just rec league)&nbsp;and college and then get back to me.&nbsp; ESPECIALLY college ball.</p>[/quote]

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<p>i think thats at least the 2nd time youve misunderstood my post.</p><p>my last one had nothing to do with kids. i said kids, like i was saying buddies. not children.</p><p>and past time, doesnt mean its not current.</p><p>pay attention Focker.</p>

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<p>And for the record, I'd like to go to a baseball game with Chris just to shake his hand and buy him a beer.</p><p>And even if I took out &quot;hand&quot; and replaced it with &quot;cock,&quot; it still wouldn't be half as queer as football.</p>

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<font size="0" face="verdana" color="black">I pitched and
played 3rd base, and I never ran more then 200 feet without stopping,
even the couple times i played the OF. Running 8 bases in 3 hours and
standing in the field moving every 20 minutes will not get you and worn
down as walking 4 and a half miles, stopping to swing as hard as you
can 100 times</font><p><font size="0" face="verdana" color="black">You're
describing the kind of baseball you play up through middle school.&nbsp; You
keep playing high school (and not just rec league)&nbsp;and college and then
get back to me.&nbsp; ESPECIALLY college ball.</font></p><p></p><p>i did play HS, all 4 years. I pitched, and one year started 20 of our 27 games. Also, im talkin about golf without a cart. Im not that sore other then swing muscles after golf when i use a cart, but when i walk the 4+ miles, my legs are shot. You never do that much moving in baseball. Tell me when in college, since you know so well, that you'd have to run more then around 200 feet. Ok, inside the park home run, 360 feet, thats the longest you will have to go, period at any position on a baseball field. </p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>And anyone who wants to argue more people play a certain sport, so its more popular is a tool. If thats the case, the most popular sport in the country is basketball, because more kids play that since there are hoops all over a a ball is like 10 bucks. </p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>And, yes mojo, im kinda outta shape. The shape im in would do nothing to change anything. If im outta shape golfing, and outta shape playing baseball, my body is STILL more tired after golf. PERIOD&nbsp;</p>

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this debate is also hard, because skill levels matter. The better you are at golf, the less you do, the opposite with baseball. Ive played, at some point, every position on the baseball field. With the exception of catcher, which i already gave you, tell me when you have to run or walk or do that much activity. IM not sayin 15 minutes of baseball is as easy as 15 minutes of golf, but id rather, from a physical sense, take 3 AB's and throw 115 pitches long before ill walk 4 miles and swing a bottom heavy object around 110 times. Thats me, ive done them, and IM more sore from golf. No matter what you say, NOTHING will change that. <br />

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<p>and you guys act like i hate baseball. You take it as me argueing cause i dont like it. I love baseball, i watch games everytime i can, i watch teams i dont care about. I LOVE baseball, im just not gonna act like its physically demanding. </p><p>If baseball is so hard to play, how come its the only sport they can play 2 times in a row?<br /> </p>


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[ChrisTheCop]

<p>Thanks Mojo. The feeling's mutual. Maybe someday.</p><p>but to get back on track (yes, we're off track)</p><p>i dont think baseball needs cheerleaders as much as other sports, and therefore should remain cheerleader-less. Thank you.</p>

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<font style="font-size: 9px" face="Verdana">quote: </font><font style="font-size: 9px" face="Verdana">quote: </font><font face="verdana" color="#000000" size="0">I pitched and played 3rd base, and I never ran more then 200 feet without stopping, even the couple times i played the OF. Running 8 bases in 3 hours and standing in the field moving every 20 minutes will not get you and worn down as walking 4 and a half miles, stopping to swing as hard as you can 100 times</font> <p><font face="verdana" color="#000000" size="0">You're describing the kind of baseball you play up through middle school.&nbsp; You keep playing high school (and not just rec league)&nbsp;and college and then get back to me.&nbsp; ESPECIALLY college ball.</font></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>i did play HS, all 4 years. I pitched, and one year started 20 of our 27 games. Also, im talkin about golf without a cart. Im not that sore other then swing muscles after golf when i use a cart, but when i walk the 4+ miles, my legs are shot. You never do that much moving in baseball. Tell me when in college, since you know so well, that you'd have to run more then around 200 feet. Ok, inside the park home run, 360 feet, thats the longest you will have to go, period at any position on a baseball field.</p><p>Sprinting your guts out for even just 90 fucking feet is exhausting.&nbsp; You are literally putting every ounce&nbsp;of yourself into that run trying to beat out a throw.&nbsp; Toss a slide onto that and that's some tough shit to pull off.&nbsp; Walking 4-5 miles IS tiring, but my fucking groin isn't going to explode doing it.&nbsp; HS starting pitchers are usually strikeout machines because of the speed they throw at.&nbsp; The ones I played with had to go out of their way to keep healthy and keep pitching.&nbsp; And shit, baseball just gets harder with age, and not just because you're older.&nbsp; Little eases up...more power, more speed...everything is bigger.&nbsp; Those guys have to play harder than they did as teenagers for 162 games a year.&nbsp; Golf can be tough, but I'm sorry, golfers as they get older do not make the effort to keep the strain on themselves.&nbsp; You subtract the walking, which pretty much everyone does at some point, so much of what you're describing is gone.&nbsp; Baseball just gets harder and harder as you get older.</p>[/quote]

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<p>i agree, finally. But not for why most do. The main reason is saftey. You cant sit them in the dugout, so they would be getting picked off left and right. the extra female fan point is good too. I dont, however, see baseball as being a traditional game. Traditional games dont change the rules to try to change the type of game played. Traditional gamesdont really change. Id say most of the american sports are not traditional, and thats a good thing. </p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>And anyone who wants to paint baseball and traditional and CLASSY, are you nuts. They basically openly let people juice, pretty much encouraging it by rules changes and not policing it, catering to power power power. Then they tried to dodge congress like it was voss' kid. The people who run the game of baseball are just as big of criminals as every other sport. You cant use their &quot;class&quot; as a reason not to have cheerleaders&nbsp;</p>

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<p><font size="0" face="verdana" color="black">Sprinting your guts out for
even just 90 fucking feet is exhausting.&nbsp; You are literally putting
every ounce&nbsp;of yourself into that run trying to beat out a throw.&nbsp; Toss
a slide onto that and that's some tough shit to pull off.&nbsp; Walking 4-5
miles IS tiring, but my fucking groin isn't going to explode doing it.</font></p><p>we are argueing different things. I understand what you mean, and yes, nothing in golf is as tiring as sprinting 90 feet dead out to beat a throw. But when you are done, you are ok with really no after effects in like 2 minutes. Individual athletic things in baseball are harder and more demanding. A full baseball game vs a full round of golf, i dont think its that simple<br /></p>

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<p><font size="0" face="verdana" color="black">HS starting pitchers are
usually strikeout machines because of the speed they throw at.&nbsp; The
ones I played with had to go out of their way to keep healthy and keep
pitching.&nbsp; And shit, baseball just gets harder with age, and not just
because you're older.</font></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>i threw hard for what you guys would say, around 80, but for pitchers, no. I struck out guys cause i pitched, i grew up watching braves games. I pitched like that. Id only throw 80 but it was a 2 seamer, and id throw a 55MPH changeup. I threw a slider, and a splitter. I threw about 200 pitches a game on avg cause our team SUCKED and the only other kid who pitched the one year didnt even know enough to go to the stretch with men on base. I had to teach him in a game from 3rd base. It was horrible. I know whats its like not to be able to move my arm the next day. The most i ever threw in a game was 325 pitches, and thats NOT a joke. I threw so much i couldnt hit 74 on the gun by the end of the season. But ill take that, cause the only thing that ever hurt was my shoulder. My legs didnt hurt unless i actually injured myself, and my back was ok. JUST my shoulder hurt. </p><p>When i play golf and walk it, my legs hurt, my lower back is sore, my arms are tired, my abs arent sore but you can tell they got a work out. Its a fuller thing, so to me its worse. </p><p>Just to keep this lively and fun, what would you all call the MOST physically demanding sport? Im sure most people have the obvious answer, but id like to hear some arguement for things other than football&nbsp;</p>

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<p>I'd say boxing.</p>

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where is the argue for it though?&nbsp; I might actually agree with that, i never ven thought about it<br />

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I'll see YOU in the Lets Debate Thread!

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<font style="font-size: 9px" face="Verdana">quote: </font><p><font style="background-color: #ffff00">Walking 4-5 miles IS tiring, but my fucking groin isn't going to explode doing it.</font></p><p>&nbsp;</p><img src="http://scripts.cgispy.com/image.cgi?u=TheMojoPin" border="0" /> <br />Dancing with the women at the bar... &lt;&lt; He knows his Claret from his Beaujolais &gt;&gt; &quot;You can tell some lies about the good times we've had, but I've kissed your mother twice...and now I'm working on your dad...&quot;<blockquote />Yah,&nbsp;you reserve your groin&nbsp;explosions&nbsp;for baseball and anyone&nbsp;in this thread&nbsp;who helped you turn this into a baseball's the most bestest sport thread.&nbsp; Football's not gay, you and Chris&nbsp;are.&nbsp; <img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/wub.gif" border="0" />

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[spoon]

<font style="font-size: 9px" face="Verdana">quote: </font><p>Wow.</p><p>I never said those games were a waste of everyones time--just mine. What i said is that they are all based on the same principle. You have to see that. </p><p>I mentioned 4 sports that were alike.</p><p>In order to find something close to baseball, you had to refer to Cricket.</p><p>What are you watching The Ocho?</p><p>Face it, Baseball is unique. Thats why its America's game.</p><p><img src="http://rfcop.50megs.com/images/jersey_rich-fluffernutter_sigpic.gif" border="0" /></p><p>So wait, baseball is &quot;America's game&quot; bc it's unique.&nbsp; Well&nbsp;at least this theory fits the&nbsp;&quot;unique&quot;&nbsp;bill. </p><p><br /></p><p><img src="http://members.aol.com/dxixrxt/spoon2.jpg" border="0" /> </p><p>It's like a koala bear crapped a rainbow in my brain!</p>

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<font style="font-size: 9px" face="Verdana">quote: </font><p>and here, i did the google for ya;</p><p><a href="http://images.google.com/images?q=america%27s+game&hl=en&btnG=Search+Images">http://images.google.com/images?q=america%27s+game&amp;hl=en&amp;btnG=Search+Images</a></p><img src="http://rfcop.50megs.com/images/jersey_rich-fluffernutter_sigpic.gif" border="0" /> Perhaps nobody else hit the link including yourself, but 3 out of the first four aren't even baseball related.&nbsp; Hell, 2 of the first 4 are in fact football and one other is lax.&nbsp; Way to make a point Chris.&nbsp; And when did google images even become a full-proof ref material?&nbsp; Hell I can take a picture of my sack and title it America's game and it would come up if I have it on the web.&nbsp; Seriously, nice point buddy!<br />

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<font style="font-size: 9px" face="Verdana">quote: </font><p>sigh..i guess we'll continue...</p><p>&nbsp;</p><font style="font-size: 9px" face="Verdana">quote: </font><p>&nbsp;</p><p>yea thats it, after reading where i posted that their shouldnt be cheerleaders, and agreed that they may hurt the sport.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>you made me look. psych? where'd you post that? I went back and read and all but one of your posts was bashing my opinion. if it's there i cant find it. please quote it. thanx.</p><p>and yes. every sport's goal is to win. on that we are agreed. but i cant believe you dont see the difference between baseball and every other sport (except...cricket). </p><p>as for the car&nbsp;analogy, i would say that football, basketball, soccer and hockey are (in no order) ferrari, bmw, jeep and geo....but baseball would have to be a washing machine.</p><img src="http://rfcop.50megs.com/images/jersey_rich-fluffernutter_sigpic.gif" border="0" /> Wait, did you just call hockey the geo of the sports world?&nbsp; Now you're going down.&nbsp; I got a feeling your whole family's going down!&nbsp; O'Doyle rules!!!<br />

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