Stern to be Censored by Sirius? [Archive]

Crash

01-23-2006, 09:15 AM

Today's New York Post is reporting that Sirius is "developing an internal standards-and-practices document that will set boundaries for Stern and other shock jocks".The article goes on to say that "XM, which is now home to shock jocks Opie and Anthony, confirmed that it has had its own guidelines in place for some time, but declined to provide details."If XM has a strict standards and practice policy in place, it isn't apparent to me by listening to 202. There doesn't seem to be a lot of censorship going on. If Sirius' policy is a "sterner" version of XM's, Howie may feel he made the wrong choice in Sat companies. But I can't believe that they would have paid all that money for him just to start pissing him off from the get-go.

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ShelleBink

01-23-2006, 09:34 AM

quote:If Sirius' policy is a "sterner" version of XM's, Howie may feel he made the wrong choice in Sat companies. But I can't believe that they would have paid all that money for him just to start pissing him off from the get-go. Yea, but it would be a sweet irony, wouldn't it? 

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Tall_James

01-23-2006, 09:48 AM

Please.  This is all a ruse.  Howard's whole schtick in the past 5 years has been about being censored and his fight to "be free".  Now he has no enemy and he can't deal without having one.  Its hard to be original when you've been phoning it in for 5 years.  Now he has another "enemy" (real or artificially generated) to rail against, thus giving him 4 days of material per week.  I feel sorry for the saps who spent their money on Sirius units simply because they saw a return to the glory days of the Stern show.  A guy I know, a major Stern fan who works with my wife, told me that he feels ripped off because he's getting a sub-par show that relies too heavily on the f-bomb.

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landarch

01-23-2006, 11:06 AM

I always felt like XM had these standards in place.  They are certainly looser than FCC, but if you listen, OA and RF are somewhat restrained.  There are times that they stop themselves and find a different word to use instead of "F" for example.  They never use the N word, have been discouraging all the racism that comes in from the south.  Sure, that's just a smart thing to do anyway, but if it were truly a "Wild West"type of environment on satellite radio, do you think they would care as much?  Well, maybe the guys would, but the callers still wouldn't, and it would be anarchy!!!!OK back to earth.....XM silences a portion of the profanity off of 65 and 66, although they are rated XL.  I wonder if there are industry (Non FCC controlled) standards on content for pay stations.  There would have to be, lest there be hardcore porn on HBO at breakfast.  Anyone with knowledge on this?

Sheeplovr

01-23-2006, 11:56 AM

this has to censor thing is with a deal they made with Sprint to have sirus on there sprint internet phone thing 

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BeerBandit

01-23-2006, 12:07 PM

quote: They never use the N word...  That's not true.  I've heard Anthony utter this epithet several times in the last few months.  However, I do think they limit themselves in it's use because it IS a terrible word, feel you shouldn't say it unless you're a person of color. 

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curtoid

01-23-2006, 12:16 PM

Even when nothing happens, Stern is still in the news. It was talked about in the 1st week that they were having to take meetings, specifcially regarding Bubba's content, but also regarding (potentially) their own. It would be great to actually find out WHAT is verbotem, however - I vaguely remember in the early 1990s, D&M actually swiped the big blue Infinty book of restrictions that (for some reason) they weren't allowed to even see (even though they were the ones saying and doing the things). These things in writing always find a way of making it to the surface.

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Doctor Manhattan

01-23-2006, 01:04 PM

quote: ...but if you listen, OA and RF are somewhat restrained.  There are times that they stop themselves and find a different word to use instead of "F" for example.  They never use the N word, have been discouraging all the racism that comes in from the south.  Have you heard ANY of the shows with Patrice O'Neill? He says it all the time, a lot of the time having nothing to do with any specific race, he just says it like some people say "dude"

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furie

01-23-2006, 01:31 PM

If XM has a strict standards and practice policy in place, it isn't apparent to me by listening to 202. There doesn't seem to be a lot of censorship going on.

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Death Metal Moe

01-23-2006, 01:39 PM

quote: Please.  This is all a ruse.  Howard's whole schtick in the past 5 years has been about being censored and his fight to "be free".  Now he has no enemy and he can't deal without having one.  Its hard to be original when you've been phoning it in for 5 years.  Now he has another "enemy" (real or artificially generated) to rail against, thus giving him 4 days of material per week.  I feel sorry for the saps who spent their money on Sirius units simply because they saw a return to the glory days of the Stern show.  A guy I know, a major Stern fan who works with my wife, told me that he feels ripped off because he's getting a sub-par show that relies too heavily on the f-bomb.<img src="http://scripts.cgispy.com/image.cgi?u=tall_james" border="0" /> Thank you. 

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01-23-2006, 01:43 PM

I agree with Tall James and Curtoid that this is  just more media hype to keep Hoo Hoo's name in the mainstream media and with it the opportunity to sweep some laggard suckers into the li'l doggie tent.However I think there is a line which neither XM nor Sirius want their people to cross. Some of our attorney friends on the board can probably explain this better but I believe there are two different standards in broadcasting "adult" entertainment - "indecent" speech or entertainment which is protected under the First amendment but can be regulated by the gov't. (eg FCC rules) and "obscene" material which is not protected and can be banned.  Since I'm not qualified to give a legal opinion on the difference I'll give an unlicensed guess that indecent entertainment only gives Justice Thomas a chub while obscene material gives him a full rod.Don't forget that a nation-wide platform is a double edged sword for these guys. Broad (or narrow) casting into the red states always gives a Bible-thumpng attorney general or district attorney a chance to make a name for him or herself by protecting the baby Jesus from obscenity raining down from the satellites and trying to shut 'em down in their bailiwick.  And that creates cashflow problems for the companies. And I don't think that the "I'm paying for it so I can see/hear whatever I want" standard has really been upheld in any courts but I would be happy to be proved wrong.

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landarch

01-23-2006, 01:47 PM

quote: <blockquote />Have you heard ANY of the shows with Patrice O'Neill? He says it all the time, a lot of the time having nothing to do with any specific race, he just says it like some people say "dude" Yes, and if I was black like Patrice O'Neill, I could throw it around like that too.

torker

01-23-2006, 02:08 PM

I agree with Tall James and Curtoid that this is  just more media hype to keep Hoo Hoo's name in the mainstream media and with it the opportunity to sweep some laggard suckers into the li'l doggie tent.It's a non-story, but what a fuckin PR machine this guy is working with.

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Tall_James

01-23-2006, 02:32 PM

It's a non-story, but what a fuckin PR machine this guy is working with.$500,000,000 buys a lot.

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HBox

01-23-2006, 02:36 PM

$500,000,000 buys a lot.

Actually, after he got those bonus shares at the beginning at the month, that turned into $700,000,000+.

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FMJeff

01-23-2006, 02:44 PM

this will never happen...his friend is ceo of the company...

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01-23-2006, 02:45 PM

$500,000,000 buys a lot.<img height="293" src="http://www.rimgod.com/images/Tiread.gif" width="445" border="0" />

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FUNKMAN

01-23-2006, 03:08 PM

$700,000,000+. that's some sirius money... doesn't he have to pay the rest of the staff with it?

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ChimneyFish

01-23-2006, 03:33 PM

I've listened to 3 Howie shows now.Up until 6 months after I got my XM, I was planning to get Sirius also. Once I listened to the Ron & Fez show, and started to really like it, I figured that I really didn't need another bill.Now that I've heard the show.....thank God I didn't pay for this crap!!!!His show is the same as the terrestrial show, with some "naughty" language. Nothing new. Nothing innovative. He's done. He has no new ideas. At least good ones. And as for "Bubbas'" show...I'd rather listen to the Phillips Phile. And I mean that.

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SatCam

01-23-2006, 03:34 PM

I'm sure the standards are more like "No sex on the air" and not "You can only say 'fuck' 10 times each show".

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curtoid

01-23-2006, 03:39 PM

The $500,000 million goes to 25 people on the Howard Stern show staff, another 10-20 on the onDemand stff and another 15 people working for the "news" staff. Then there is the folks under Bubba - maybe as many as 60 or 70 people are under the staff for HS. Who knows what everyone is making, and I'm sure HS is making an ungodly fortune, but that sum is for staff and programming for 5 years.*> <div> </div><div> </div><div>ALSO - they have 6 minutes of commercials an hour, 5 hours per show, and they are supposedly charging anywhere from $10,000 to $20,000 per minute {if you split the difference ($15,000)}, 4 days of shows a week, 45 weeks of the year - there is $81,000 million a year right there, and that's not counting revenue from any other shows. I'm sure my math is way, way, way off.</div><div> </div><div> AND that's not counting the money, the (at least) $20 million in subs that they can currently attribute to him - and it's got to be more.*> </div><div> </div><div> </div><div>I really think Sirius will hit 4 million subs in no time, and by this time next year the difference in subscriptions between XM & Sirius will be so close that it will no longer be an issue. The equipment may still be off, but the signing of Stern is going to close the content gap, and is going to make them very rich. </div><div> JMO 
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FUNKMAN

01-23-2006, 03:41 PM

thanks Curtoid... i know there are alot of people in the public who feel Howard is getting a 'whole' 700 million, before taxes...

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ChimneyFish

01-23-2006, 03:52 PM

curtoid, they already had their holiday rush. how many new subs do you think Howie is able to produce???? Especially when they find out he's giving his fans subpar radio.I just don't see the gap closing as fast as some people think. I think his golden years are behind him.I've talked to two of my friends that have Sirius. Neither of them seem all that impressed with his show.That said, you're right on with the $500,000,000 thing.<img src="http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c217/luxa1/RNFBABIESSIG.gif" border="0" /> sig pic used with kind permission of NortonsHog

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Snoogans

01-23-2006, 03:53 PM

$500,000 million wow, thats like half a trillion 

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FUNKMAN

01-23-2006, 03:54 PM

do you think XM and Sirius will eventually have devices where you can not only hear but see the show? <img src="http://scripts.cgispy.com/image.cgi?u=Ippolito" border="0" /> 

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noodles

01-23-2006, 03:59 PM

I think they will ,not that we want to look at fezzy all day

pennington

01-23-2006, 04:03 PM

quote: Please.  This is all a ruse.  Howard's whole schtick in the past 5 years has been about being censored and his fight to "be free".  Now he has no enemy and he can't deal without having one.   I absolutely agree.  How long before he starts saying if ONLY he didn't have these restrictions he could put on the shows he REALLY wants but THEY won't let him.  Blah blah blah

noodles

01-23-2006, 04:08 PM

  He's going to be 9 tens of the reason sirius folds up , I can only hope

mendyweiss

01-23-2006, 04:21 PM

quote:   He's going to be 9 tens of the reason sirius folds up , I can only hope Why do you hope Sirius folds up? Sirius has some great channels, even excluding Hoo Hoo.

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Stankfoot

01-23-2006, 04:27 PM

quote: I think they will ,not that we want to look at fezzy all day         Rude and rude! 

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Death Metal Moe

01-23-2006, 04:33 PM

Another great little tidbit is I hear a lot of people complaining about reception problems on any channel.I'm gonna snuggle with my XM in the car tomorrow.  Love it!

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FUNKMAN

01-23-2006, 04:34 PM

think they will ,not that we want to look at fezzy all day don't forget his ballz

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KitN1MCC

01-24-2006, 02:30 PM

i was thinking about  getting Sirius just for Bubbas show Cause it Was funny and Cool back here in the Days in CT when he was on Radio 104.1 and he came to Hartford now and then. But damn i am not gonna spend that money for that monkey Ass system . hell after ron and FEZ it is Drum n Base on 80 till 3 then i mosye back to the shop jump in the truck at 4 and turn on the Phile

Death Metal Moe

01-24-2006, 02:35 PM

quote: i was thinking about  getting Sirius just for Bubbas show Cause it Was funny and Cool back here in the Days in CT when he was on Radio 104.1 and he came to Hartford now and then. But damn i am not gonna spend that money for that monkey Ass system . hell after ron and FEZ it is Drum n Base on 80 till 3 then i mosye back to the shop jump in the truck at 4 and turn on the Phile Although you have terrible taste in talk radio besides Ron and Fez, I'm glad to hear you have XM.

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ChimneyFish

01-24-2006, 06:50 PM

quote: quote: Although you have terrible taste in talk radio besides Ron and Fez, I'm glad to hear you have XM. WOW.I definetly did not want to member bash, but that was an understatement. Moe.It baffles me that anyone can listen to the Phile for more then 5 minutes.<img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/blink.gif" border="0" /> 

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Death Metal Moe

01-24-2006, 07:19 PM

Yes, I don't want to bash anyone either, but HOT DAMN that's a bad selection.  Liked Bubba and can't wait to catch The Phile?  Just awful.Throw some Don and Mike into the mix and you've got a truly awful FM experience.PLEASE check out O&A.  You're paying for the XM already, and O&A are quality.

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BoondockSaint

01-28-2006, 07:49 PM

Don't know if this was already mentioned but Stern gets ripped in the new Rolling Stone.<h2>Stern's show puts the "um" in "tedium" (http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/9181584/howards_end/)</h2>

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Death Metal Moe

01-29-2006, 12:12 AM

I saw that article linked on Wackbag.  It's very wierd that all these different publications are getting brave and finally saying what they think about Stern.Hope to see more of it instead of the usual Howie Rump Kissing.  That's Bubba's job now anyway. 

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Johnny4

01-29-2006, 07:56 AM

I knew he was going to be objective when his first
sentence is basically"If your not from NY, Stern puts you to sleep".I
would like to know what eye opening talk-radio format this guy listens
to. When did Moe get his own column in Rolling Stone? 


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