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EliSnow

01-29-2006, 11:00 AM

I've got a bulldog question for you.  At what point do bulldogs get less energetic, and little more mellow? I have a female bulldog that's 19-20 months old.  She's fixed and right now is very energetic.  A little too much.  We also have a four month old daughter, and with the baby and work, we often aren't able to spend as much time with the dog and exercise her as much as she needs.  So she's gotten some bad behavior seeking attention from us and from guests (like jumping on them and humping their legs). We got a trainer who has provided us with some simple training tips on how to condition the bad behavior of out her through positive reinforcement.  Hopefully, this will work, but to some extent my wife doesn't think we can provide the dog the attention she needs, and thinks we should give her up.  I don't want to, and I told my wife that I'd like for both of us to make an honest effort to do what we can to give the dog attention and exercise her more, but I was wondering if there was a point that we were coming to, where the dog would need less exercise, etc.  If there was, it may help my wife know that there was some light at the end of the tunnel.So, what do you think? 

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01-29-2006, 11:35 AM

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Bulldogcakes

01-29-2006, 02:08 PM

I know what you mean, I have a female about the same age and she insists on playtime whether I want to or not. The best answer is it depends on the dog, but in my experience most mellow out ALOT around 3-4 years old. Around a year from now, you'll be dragging her off the couch just to go outside or for a walk. They do like alot of attention, their whole world basically revolves around their owners. Its for that same reason you should really focus on training and not give her up. They get very attached to their owners (I think even more than most other breeds) and to give her up would be very hard on her. You might want to consider . . . . hold onto your hat. . . . ANOTHER dog. Maybe a small breed that she could play with, like a Boston Terrier. What she really needs is a play pal, there's a zillion dogs out there for adoption. Also it "moves her up" a notch in the "pack" in their minds. She's no longer the carefree baby, now she's the older sister. Every time I've brought in a new dog I've found the older one takes on a very different personality within a few months. Much more calm. That's why I've always had two.You dont keep her in a crate during the day, do you?  

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Bulldogcakes

01-29-2006, 02:27 PM

Another suggestion is some new squeaky toys, rope toys, some big rawhide bones, nylabones, etc. Something to keep her occupied while you guys are busy or away. Also leave a talk radio station on so she thinks somebody's around. The more I think about it, the more I think she's just not getting enough attention with you guys being busy with the new baby. Or maybe she's the same, but now you've changed. Bulldogs have the worst endurance of any dog. It doesn't take much to wear out a Bulldog. If you'd throw a stick around your backyard for 15-20 minutes she'd be exhausted and asleep for the rest of the night. Or get a rope toy (usually their favorite) and hold one end and let her pull on the other. She'll be wiped out in 5 minutes, plus its fun. Try making a point to spend 15 minutes with her, it'll be good for both of you. BTW-Moe said he'll take her. Just throw in a 10 lb case of honey glazed smoked bacon. 

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01-29-2006, 04:39 PM

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01-29-2006, 04:44 PM

BTW-Moe said he'll take her. Just throw in a 10 lb case of honey glazed smoked bacon. Sorry man, I'm a cat guy.  We have a fucking awesome cat we adopted at my job.  He sleeps in our building every night now and all the guys who are interested in him split the cost of food and the vet fees.If I didn't have a cat right now this work cat would be sitting next to me as I post right now. 

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01-29-2006, 04:50 PM

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EliSnow

01-29-2006, 06:03 PM

quote: I know what you mean, I have a female about the same age and she insists on playtime whether I want to or not. The best answer is it depends on the dog, but in my experience most mellow out ALOT around 3-4 years old. Around a year from now, you'll be dragging her off the couch just to go outside or for a walk. They do like alot of attention, their whole world basically revolves around their owners. Its for that same reason you should really focus on training and not give her up. They get very attached to their owners (I think even more than most other breeds) and to give her up would be very hard on her. You might want to consider . . . . hold onto your hat. . . . ANOTHER dog. Maybe a small breed that she could play with, like a Boston Terrier. What she really needs is a play pal, there's a zillion dogs out there for adoption. Also it "moves her up" a notch in the "pack" in their minds. She's no longer the carefree baby, now she's the older sister. Every time I've brought in a new dog I've found the older one takes on a very different personality within a few months. Much more calm. That's why I've always had two.You dont keep her in a crate during the day, do you?  Thanks.  Unfortunately, we can't get another dog right now.  My wife is too stressed with this one, and I don't think a younger dog that will need training etc. will help. Our has a dog (a Boston Terrier I believe) gets to play with her often. I really, really want to keep Marlowe, and I'm going to make sure that I schedule time with her every night to do training and exercise with her.  The trick is to give her more attention while not taking away from attention to my wife and daughter.  We don't keep her in a crate any more, but we will have to keep her in my bedroom.  We have a nanny that takes care of our daughter, and Marlowe jumps the nanny all day.  The best thing to do right now, until things calm down is to keep Marlowe in our room.  Our trainer also suggested a citronella collar as a humane way to control Marlowe's barking while she is in our room.   Also, we do have someone come over every day and take Marlowe for a walk for an hour.   <img src="http://home.nyc.rr.com/bkemper/Snow1.jpg" border="0" /> Formerly MrTerrific Formerly MrTerrific

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FUNKMAN

01-29-2006, 06:05 PM

Question For Bulldog Cakes what are we, chopped liver?

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EliSnow

01-29-2006, 06:06 PM

quote: Another suggestion is some new squeaky toys, rope toys, some big rawhide bones, nylabones, etc. Something to keep her occupied while you guys are busy or away. Also leave a talk radio station on so she thinks somebody's around. The more I think about it, the more I think she's just not getting enough attention with you guys being busy with the new baby. Or maybe she's the same, but now you've changed. Bulldogs have the worst endurance of any dog. It doesn't take much to wear out a Bulldog. If you'd throw a stick around your backyard for 15-20 minutes she'd be exhausted and asleep for the rest of the night. Or get a rope toy (usually their favorite) and hold one end and let her pull on the other. She'll be wiped out in 5 minutes, plus its fun. Try making a point to spend 15 minutes with her, it'll be good for both of you. BTW-Moe said he'll take her. Just throw in a 10 lb case of honey glazed smoked bacon. The plan is to play with her every weekday night for 15 minutes in the basement of our apartment building throwing a rope or ball.    Weekends will need a little more time, but I think we'll go to the park then and do some playing one weekend day every week. Thanks for the advice.  I'll let you know how it goes.  

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EliSnow

01-29-2006, 06:10 PM

quote:  what are we, chopped liver? Okay then, what's your suggestion? 

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FUNKMAN

01-29-2006, 06:19 PM

I should have put the smiley face!    I would say if your wife works full-time then defenitely look to have her adopted. It would be less painful if you knew she was going to a good home like yours.  It's a little scary situation to me when you a toddler.

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EliSnow

01-30-2006, 06:26 AM

quote: I should have put the smiley face!    I would say if your wife works full-time then defenitely look to have her adopted. It would be less painful if you knew she was going to a good home like yours.  It's a little scary situation to me when you a toddler. No need for smiley face.  I knew you were joking. My wife works four days a week.  I'm not as worried about the dog when my daughter gets to be a toddler.  She's very, very good with kids.  Sometimes a little rambunctious, but we intend to do some additional training as my daughter gets bigger, and never leave the two alone for quite awhile.  

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FUNKMAN

01-30-2006, 07:39 AM

No need for smiley face.  I knew you were joking. My wife works four days a week.  I'm not as worried about the dog when my daughter gets to be a toddler.  She's very, very good with kids.  Sometimes a little rambunctious, but we intend to do some additional training as my daughter gets bigger, and never leave the two alone for quite awhile.  that's cool and hope everything works out for the best!

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Bulldogcakes

01-30-2006, 01:35 PM

quote:I would say if your wife works full-time then defenitely look to have her adopted. What does your wife look like? Maybe I'll adopt her.  Can she cook? 

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EliSnow

01-30-2006, 01:44 PM

quote:  quote: I would say if your wife works full-time then defenitely look to have her adopted. What does your wife look like? Maybe I'll adopt her.  Can she cook?  <img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/laugh.gif" border="0" /> <img src="http://home.nyc.rr.com/bkemper/Snow1.jpg" border="0" /> Formerly MrTerrific

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Bulldogcakes

01-30-2006, 01:59 PM

quote:I really, really want to keep Marlowe, and I'm going to make sure that I schedule time with her every night to do training and exercise with her. The trick is to give her more attention while not taking away from attention to my wife and daughter. 15-20 minutes? If you cant spend 15-20 minutes without catching shit from your wife, you may want to have a talk with your wife.  quote:We
don't keep her in a crate any more, but we will have to keep her in my
bedroom. We have a nanny that takes care of our daughter, and Marlowe
jumps the nanny all day. The best thing to do right now, until things
calm down is to keep Marlowe in our room. Our trainer also suggested a
citronella collar as a humane way to control Marlowe's barking while
she is in our room. Also, we do have someone come over every day and take Marlowe for a walk for an hour.  Using the crate AT ALL was the likely root of this problem. Thats why behaviorists strongly advise against them. That being said I think you're on the right track that the problem is she needs more attention. But locking her in a room alone is like moving her to a bigger crate, the problem isn't being dealt with. Here's a few suggestions. Double up on the dog walker, and since you're in NYC have the dog walker take her to a local dog run. They're all over the city. She'll get to run and play with other dogs for about an hour, and if you do twice a day thats alot for a bulldog. Do like you said and spend some time with her daily, maybe again at a local dog run. Work it in with running an errand (like picking up dinner or something for the baby) and kill two birds at once. Another suggestion is give Warren Eckstien a call. He does a show on WOR 710AM on Saturdays at 4-6:00 in the afternoon. But call right away at 4:00, the lines fill up within a few minutes. <a title="Or e-mail him" target="_self" href="http://www.thepetshow.com/">Or e-mail him</a> for advice. By the time your baby grows up a little, he/she'll have the best buddy in the world if you can figure this out. A new baby is a stressful time for everyone, but things will calm down soon and if you're a good pet owner your pet is part of the family too. 

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Bulldogcakes

01-30-2006, 02:03 PM

Another thought. Do you have a kitchen area where you could put up kiddie doors and keep in her there while you guys are still nearby? Just being somewhere where she can still see you guys may make her feel better. EDIT EDIT EDITDo you keep food and water in the bedroom with her? YOU SHOULD. Her barking may be just that she's worried she cant get to her dish.    

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EliSnow

01-30-2006, 02:05 PM

quote: 15-20 minutes? If you cant spend 15-20 minutes without catching shit from your wife, I dont think you have a dog problem.  I work until 8 pm every night and we got to bed at 11 pm so we only have three hours to eat, take care of the dog, spend time together etc., so time is sort of limited.  However, I agree that 15-20 minutes a night will not be a problem.  It won't be a problem with my wife either.  Using the crate AT ALL was the likely root of this problem. Thats why behaviorists strongly advise against them. That being said I think you're on the right track that the problem is she needs more attention. But locking her in a room alone is like moving her to a bigger crate, the problem isn't being dealt with. Here's a few suggestions.  Putting her into our bedroom is only a temporary solution while she train her to stop barking so much and jumping on the nanny and other people.   Hopefully, within a month, we can let her out again.  

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EliSnow

01-30-2006, 02:06 PM

quote: Do you keep food and water in the bedroom with her? YOU SHOULD. Her barking may be just that she's worried she cant get to her dish.     We do.

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Bulldogcakes

01-30-2006, 02:13 PM

I can appreciate the lack of time, I have a business and have the same situation at certain times of the year. My best suggestion is again, work in a walk with running errands. And in the city, always keep an eye on her if you're in a store. Purebreeds like her have been known to get snatched, especially in areas like the East Villiage, if you're near there or go there. Is it at all possible to take her with you to work once or twice a week? I'm self employed and do it all the time. 

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Bulldogcakes

01-30-2006, 02:20 PM

quote:  what are we, chopped liver?

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01-30-2006, 02:42 PM

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01-30-2006, 02:53 PM

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EliSnow

01-30-2006, 06:13 PM

quote: Is it at all possible to take her with you to work once or twice a week? I'm self employed and do it all the time.  Nope. I work for a firm in midtown.  

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09-22-2009, 02:04 PM

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09-22-2009, 02:57 PM

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zildjian361

09-22-2009, 03:05 PM

what are we, chopped liver?

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