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TheMojoPin

02-03-2006, 09:22 PM

Gotta call out the muslim world on this one...listened to Penn's show on WJFK today and he voiced my thoughts exactly...the jews don't fuck people up for eating pork.  The amish don't declare fatwah's because everyone else wants to use electricity.  Why should muslims get outraged at non-muslims and what they do?  Hey, Muhammed is sacred to you?  Fantastic...but that doesn't apply to a big ol' chnunk of the world.  And yes, quite a few other people use their religions as an excuse to squelch free speech and opinion...but that's still wrong.  Personally, I think these cartoons are hideous and appalling...but so what?  Unclench, angry muslims.  Pay attention to other ones NOT freaking out over friggin' cartoons.

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A.J.

02-04-2006, 12:30 AM

Jeez you think someone had sex in a church.This story has been HUGE over here.  See what happens when every aspect of your life is guided by a fable?

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02-04-2006, 04:50 AM

<a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/religion/Story/0,,1702104,00.html">http://www.guardian.co.uk/religion/Story/0,,1702104,00.html</a>This is only going to get worse before it gets better. Now they're threatening to MASSACRE...give me a fucking break...its a cartoon. I can't live in a world where religious groups threaten to massacre innocent people over a cartoon. Something needs to be done here....I don' tknow what, I hate to say use violence because it brings this silly litle circle full round..but this needs to be stamped out.

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FMJeff

02-04-2006, 04:51 AM

Apparently the cartoonists have gone into hiding<a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/religion/Story/0,,1702104,00.html">http://www.guardian.co.uk/religion/Story/0,,1702104,00.html</a>

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02-04-2006, 04:56 AM

<a href="http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/.shared/image.html?/photos/uncategorized/behead768453.jpg" onclick="window.open(this.href, '_blank', 'width=230,height=320,scrollbars=no,resizable=no,t oolbar=no,directories=no,location=no,menubar=no,st atus=no,left=0,top=0'); return false"><img title="Behead768453" height="278" alt="Behead768453" src="http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/images/behead768453.jpg" width="200" align="left" border="0" /></a>Bring this war on, man, reallly. The more I read about this, the more it makes me sick. I'd rather die than cowtow to these medieval fucks.

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FMJeff

02-04-2006, 05:02 AM

<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jyllands-Posten_Muhammad_cartoons">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jyllands-Posten_Muhammad_cartoons</a>Great information on this story. It's amazing how much fear of radical muslims there are around the world. Just reading this says to me they're doing a helluva job.

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douchebagsean

02-04-2006, 05:47 AM

IMUS was discussing this the other day and had a reporter on who said
something thats rarely said...its fine for the muslims to be outraged
over this and want an apology, but wheres the outrage to showing the
video of that abducted female reporter, wheres the apology for all the
senseless beheadings.  its ok in my opinion if youre going to be
thin-skinned, but dont be a hypocrite too 

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02-04-2006, 06:13 AM

quote: <a href="http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/.shared/image.html?/photos/uncategorized/behead768453.jpg" onclick="window.open(this.href, '_blank', 'width=230,height=320,scrollbars=no,resizable=no,t oolbar=no,directories=no,location=no,menubar=no,st atus=no,left=0,top=0'); return false"><img title="Behead768453" height="278" alt="Behead768453" src="http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/images/behead768453.jpg" width="200" align="left" border="0" /></a>Bring this war on, man, reallly. The more I read about this, the more it makes me sick. I'd rather die than cowtow to these medieval fucks. <img src="http://www.ronfez.net/imagestorage/fmjeff.gif" border="0" /> It made my heart sing. Medeival? Those sick fucks are still stuck in the 7th century

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sr71blackbird

02-04-2006, 06:14 AM

They are flipping out over a drawing of Mohammed with a bomb in his turban... As if no Muslums blow shit up.   Shuuuuuuuuure

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02-04-2006, 08:01 AM

Syrians have set fire to the Norwegian and Danish embassies in Damascus to protest at the publication of newspaper cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad. clearly a new way to protest

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booster11373

02-04-2006, 08:02 AM

Also odds are that little or no one in those countrys saw tha actual cartoon.

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INFOSTUD

02-04-2006, 09:32 AM

DAMASCUS, Syria - Several thousand Syrian demonstrators set the Danish
and the Norwegian embassies on fire on Saturday to protest at the
publishing of cartoons of the Prophet Mohammad by European newspapers.http://news.yahoo.com/fc/world/religion.These people are mad dogs. Screw them. It's a god-damn cartoon. which they think is offensive so they burn buildings; thereby, endangering lifes. F' these people. Anyone who tells you Islam is a religion of peace doesn't know dick.Does anyone have a link to the exact cartoons in question? 

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Sheeplovr

02-04-2006, 10:26 AM

<img border="0" src="http://suchsome.somesuch.org/MohammadThumbupbutt00.jpg" />I dind't get any attention for the Moehammad so her is some straigt up Thumb up his but Mohammad 

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DarkHippie

02-04-2006, 12:27 PM

I wonder what Salman Rushdie has to say about this.

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02-04-2006, 03:01 PM

quote:I Don't see the big Deal i make cartoons of MOEhammad all the time see<img width="400" height="474" border="0" src="http://suchsome.somesuch.org/MoeHammadFin.jpg" alt="Death Metal Mohammad" title="Death Metal Mohammad" />I bring you Death Metal MOEhammadI don't know why i felt he needed to pet a cat i just looked at Moe's myspace page and went at it 

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This message was edited by Sheeplovr on 2-4-06 @ 1:33 AM Awesome cartoon man!  The funny part is Moe is short for Mohamed, so except for the dark skin and head wrap you're right on. That and I love America and hate religion.  OK, so it's nothing like me except for the bloody nose and the cat, but it still made me laugh like a retard. 

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Sheeplovr

02-04-2006, 03:14 PM

Awesome cartoon man!  The funny part is Moe is short for Mohamed, so except for the dark skin and head wrap you're right onI can make it White and take off the turbin if you want to hang it on the wall or give it to grandma 

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02-04-2006, 03:48 PM

quote: Syrians have set fire to the Norwegian and Danish embassies in Damascus to protest at the publication of newspaper cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad. clearly a new way to protestPeople like to kill Germans Germans like to kill People I consider myself a reasonable person and think that with enough time, patience, and discussion you can work almost anything out.  But when people do things like this, I find it hard to control my base instincts to just bomb the hell out of them.Someone else mentioed this, but where the hell are the "good" muslims denouncing the actions of these animals.  I HATE extremists (and yes, I realize the irony)...P.S. - forgive my use of the term "good" but hopefully you know what I mean. 

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TheMojoPin

02-04-2006, 04:27 PM

Someone else mentioed this, but where the hell are the "good" muslims denouncing the actions of these animals.<a href="http://www.freemuslims.org/blog/?id=384" target="_blank">The Free Muslims Coalition condemns the reaction of American Muslim Organizations and Muslim governments to the unfavorable depiction of Prophet Mohammad in European News papers.</a>But again, what obligation is it of people who choose to not behave in this manner to have to go out of their way to denounce or speak against these attacks?  Should muslim leaders who are opposed to this behavior say something?  Definitely.  They have chosen a role of responsibility and leadership and should react accordingly.  But what's up with these continued demands of "just muslims" to have to go out of their way to denounce these riots when they've already made the powerful statement possibly by NOT doing what the extremists are doing?  Why isn't this standard held to any other racial, social or religious group?Let's clarify a few things here...is this response to these cartoons wrong?  Undoubtably.  How stupid do you have to be to respond to charges that you're a bully or extremist or terrorist by attacking people, rioting and burning buildings?  This is indicative of a very large undercurrent of violence and hatred throughout muslim countries that accomplishes nothing.  It IS a problem.  But I defy anyone to explain how metting blanket and ignorant condemnations from one group with your own someone fixes anything or makes you the "good guy."These people are flat out wrong in their response to these cartoons.  While many of the cartoons themselves are blatantly ugly, antagonistic and racist, they're nowhere near worth this kind of response.  While this highlights particular problems with the muslim faith, for me it's indicative of the response by supposed "faithful" people to things throughout all walks of life.  What right does anyone get off having telling people who DON'T share the same beliefs what they can and can't discuss or criticize?  I simply can't fathom this mentality...Oh, and Infostud?  Maybe we'll take your enlightened proclamations as to the unanimous mindset of a massive segment of the world's population when you can learn how to use Google's image search.

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cupcakelove

02-04-2006, 04:41 PM

The thing that I really find rediculous is that they are angry about the depiction of their prophet, not the message of the cartoon, which seems to be that Islam was founded be a terrorist.  Does that mean they embrace the idea of having roots in terrorism?  This is a crazy world we live in.

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02-04-2006, 05:28 PM

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Billy Staples

02-04-2006, 05:49 PM

The Muslims aren't aking this one easy, they are planning a big reply....wait till you see theirr response with a cartoon about wooden shoes, a windmill and Hans Christian Anderson  sacrilgious indeed....they go to far some time

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sr71blackbird

02-04-2006, 06:10 PM

The Muslims aren't aking this one easy, they are planning a big reply....wait till you see theirr response with a cartoon about wooden shoes, a windmill and Hans Christian Andersonhahahahahhahahahhaaaa.....ahahhah..h

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02-04-2006, 06:47 PM

Damn it...I always forget about the Google Image Search because I use Metacrawler as my search engine. 

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Sheeplovr

02-04-2006, 08:14 PM

This is Mohammad as a Ice Skateing Bear<img width="318" height="500" border="0" src="http://suchsome.somesuch.org/IceBearcess00.jpg" />okay so i watch Ice Princess and Grizzly Man and got off target 

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TheMojoPin

02-04-2006, 08:21 PM

So if I drew and published a happy-go-lucky cartoon of Jesus graphically raping a little boy up the ass and published it in a major national publication, everything would be hunky-dory, right?This Danish paper went so damn far out of its way to instigate this that their argument of just innocently running a contest and, "oh NO!  How did THIS happen!" reeks of bullshit.  While the response of the people rioting is beyond retarded, come the fuck on...

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02-04-2006, 08:54 PM

If anyone is guilty for instigating this, it's the Islamic Society, an Islamic lobbying group. These cartoons were printed in September. Why is it an issue now? Because that group toured the Middle East and showed the cartoon all over the place. Not only that, they showed three other offensive pictures of mohammed that weren't even published.

There is absolutely NO blame that should be put upon the newspaper in this. They printed a a cartoon with a salient point that is only becoming more and more relevant every second this controversy continues. Trying to put even the slightest blame on them is akin to blaming the rape victim. Could anyone reasonably expect worldwide protests, a boycott of products from an entire nation, a diplomatic disaster and two torched embassies from the printing of a cartoon in an anonymous little newspaper in an anonymous little country? Fuck no.

I so wish we could completely disengage from that sorry little portion of the world. At this point, I don't even care about the good ones. Pull yourself out of the fucking dark ages.

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Sheeplovr

02-04-2006, 08:58 PM

So if I drew and published
a happy-go-lucky cartoon of Jesus graphically raping a little boy up
the ass and published it in a major national publication, everything
would be hunky-dory, right?I'd enjoy it it would reminds me of kindergarten 


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TheMojoPin

02-04-2006, 09:15 PM

quote: If anyone is guilty for instigating this, it's the Islamic Society, an Islamic lobbying group. These cartoons were printed in September. Why is it an issue now? Because that group toured the Middle East and showed the cartoon all over the place. Not only that, they showed three other offensive pictures of mohammed that weren't even published. There is absolutely NO blame that should be put upon the newspaper in this. They printed a a cartoon with a salient point that is only becoming more and more relevant every second this controversy continues. Trying to put even the slightest blame on them is akin to blaming the rape victim. Could anyone reasonably expect worldwide protests, a boycott of products from an entire nation, a diplomatic disaster and two torched embassies from the printing of a cartoon in an anonymous little newspaper in an anonymous little country? Fuck no. I so wish we could completely disengage from that sorry little portion of the world. At this point, I don't even care about the good ones. Pull yourself out of the fucking dark ages. <img src="http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/1706/newsig5mg.jpg" border="0" /> Yes and no.  Should the newspaper be able to print these without suffering reprisals?  Of course.  But for them to decide to do this and then act like they're stunned at what happened...please.  My hypothetical example was to point out that nobody can do ANY kind of criticism of a major religious group without some kind of serious reprisal, be it boycotts, people getting fired, protests, or this mess.  Is it right?  Of course not.  In a better world this wouldn't happen.  But they KNEW this stunt would do something along these lines.  And for what purpose?  These idiots don't need more excuses to act like idiots.If a bear is chained up in a park and you go there for a picnic with your family, and choose to have that picnic within reach of the bear, well, too bad for you, slappy.  It's a shitty situation, but use a little comon fucking sense.  If this happened exposing some all-important news story, hey, fantastic.  But what was accomplished?  The extremist dickheads we all already hate acted like extremist dickheads.  NEWSFLASH!But you're definitely right about people and groups on the muslim side going out of their way to fan the flames of this.  Shit, look at the photos of the signs in the protests and demonstrations with the outlandish threats.  They're all obviously written by the same person.  How easily lead around are these feebs?

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02-05-2006, 12:47 PM

<h2><a href="http://www.ronfez.net/s/afp/20060205/wl_mideast_afp/europeislammediasyria_060205192040;_ylt=AnkTGdQObF XF7RfYuieXCVzbEfQA;_ylu=X3oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJV RPUCUl">Syria voices regret over embassy attacks </a></h2>DAMASCUS - Syria voiced its regret over attacks against the Danish and Norwegian diplomatic missions in Damascus by angry mobs protesting at cartoons depicting the prophet Mohammed as a terroristI think we should call it even and go our seperate ways

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02-05-2006, 02:59 PM

Media Apologize For Offending Muslims While Ignoring Anti-Semitic CartoonsWe wonder why no similar outcry and apologies have come after viciously anti-Semitic and anti-Israel cartoons are published on an almost daily basis throughout the Arab world. The following cartoon (as reported by <a href="http://www.pmw.org.il/cartoon_De-humanization.html">Palestinian Media Watch</a>) was published in Al-Hayat, the official newspaper of the Palestinian Authority, last month. Perhaps the reason that it did not provoke an outrage is that by the standards of the Arab press, it is hardly exceptional......read the rest here <a href="http://www.honestreporting.com/articles/45884734/critiques/Offensive_Cartoons.asp">http://www.honestreporting.com/articles/45884734/critiques/Offensive_Cartoons.asp</a>

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02-05-2006, 04:48 PM

Syria voiced its regret over attacks against the Danish and Norwegian diplomatic missions
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02-05-2006, 06:24 PM

Sorry to get off track, but that post was in the middle of the Super Bowl.

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02-05-2006, 07:18 PM

<img src="http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/rids/20060203/i/r1363645636.jpg?" border="0" />my favorite new cartoon

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02-05-2006, 07:21 PM

my mom always told me, "it's only a joke if the person on the recieving end thinks it's a joke."i've always thought and believed the opposite is true 

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02-05-2006, 07:25 PM

What's the cartoon. I can't seem to google it. I get a bunch of cartoons about how blacks were abused during vietnam.

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02-05-2006, 09:16 PM

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A.J.

02-05-2006, 10:11 PM

These people are flat out wrong in their response to these cartoons.  While many of the cartoons themselves are blatantly ugly, antagonistic and racist, they're nowhere near worth this kind of response.  While this highlights particular problems with the muslim faith, for me it's indicative of the response by supposed "faithful" people to things throughout all walks of life.  What right does anyone get off having telling people who DON'T share the same beliefs what they can and can't discuss or criticize?  I simply can't fathom this mentality...Mojo you bring up an interesting point and I hope I can explain the context of the Islamic world for you guys back home.  First, you need to understand that Islam permeates EVERY aspect of a Muslim's life.  EVERYTHING they do in their lives is guided by the Quran and the Sunnah (the teachings of the Prophet):  how to pray, when to pray, what to eat, perosnal hygiene, law -- you name it, the Quran and Sunah have an answer for it (supposedly).Second, as such, there can be no true separation of church and state in a Muslim society.  The two are intertwined.  Our concept of Freedom of the Press is impossible in such a society (and it doen't help when some of the regimes of Muslim countries are less than democratic).  I was talking with some locals yesterday and this issue came up.  I made the point that in the West, we have a concept that with free speech rights, "no issue is sacred from satire or criticism".  One of the locals, who had even lived in the states, agreed and understood but he adamantly believed that the Prophet (and all the Prophets of God including Jesus and Moses, etc) are exempt from this.  To him and other Muslims, some things ARE sacred.  (In a side note I was tempted and genuinely curious to ask how Muslims view Joseph Smith, founder of the Mormon church whom God also reportedly spoke to.  If Muslims believe in ALL the Prophets of God, then they should be Mormons to. But I digress...)The thing that Muslims need to understand is that they can't demand an aplogy from the Danish government.  The government does not control that paper that printed the cartoons and they are exempt from any responsibility.  The funny thing is these people should ACTUALLY be angry at the French. The French republished these cartoons 2 years after they were originally printed in the Danish paper.  THIS caused the uproar.  I don't see of these Mulims groups boycotting French products or demanding an apology from the French government.

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02-06-2006, 02:21 AM

Mojo you bring up an interesting point and I hope I can explain the context of the Islamic world for you guys back home.  First, you need to understand that Islam permeates EVERY aspect of a Muslim's life.  EVERYTHING they do in their lives is guided by the Quran and the Sunnah (the teachings of the Prophet):  how to pray, when to pray, what to eat, perosnal hygiene, law -- you name it, the Quran and Sunah have an answer for it (supposedly).One reason I still stink at Arabic is that I spend most of my time talking about shit like this with my teacher instead of learning the damn language. For example, we spent one full lesson talking about masturbation, or, as I have since been spreading the new Arabic phrase: a'atany b'il-tijara (taking care of business). The subject came up and I asked my teacher if this is strictly forbidden, (a stupid question since it's strictly forbidden in the Bible, the foundational basis for Islam). He says "yes, but... If I'm in Yemen, or, say, Saudi, then it is forbidden 100%. But, for example, if I am in America, and I am away from my wife for a long time, then I can do it once a month, to keep me from going crazy." So AJ's right. They've got rules for everything. Some of them are rational; some are irrational; and some of them are funny as hell. But that's the structure of these societies.Second, as such, there can be no true separation of church and state in a Muslim society.  The two are intertwined.  Our concept of Freedom of the Press is impossible in such a society (and it doen't help when some of the regimes of Muslim countries are less than democratic).  I was talking with some locals yesterday and this issue came up.  I made the point that in the West, we have a concept that with free speech rights, "no issue is sacred from satire or criticism".  One of the locals, who had even lived in the states, agreed and understood but he adamantly believed that the Prophet (and all the Prophets of God including Jesus and Moses, etc) are exempt from this.  To him and other Muslims, some things ARE sacred.  (In a side note I was tempted and genuinely curious to ask how Muslims view Joseph Smith, founder of the Mormon church whom God also reportedly spoke to.  If Muslims believe in ALL the Prophets of God, then they should be Mormons to. But I digress...)If you're selling Mormonism, use the polygamy hook. They'll be sporting nametags and crewcuts in no time. I'll just add to this that the place AJ is in is the most fundamentalist place in the Muslim world - even several generations away from where I'm at - and THESE people are seriously whacked! But, in places like Egypt and Jordan, and even Syria, there's a much broader range of ideas about how literal the religion is to be taken. Lots of Jordanians and Egyptians drink and smoke pot and bang hot chicks and all that good stuff we take for granted. Most of them do it while still considering themselves Muslims. In this way they're more like us - allowing the individual to define the religion for themselves. But, also, in all of the places this liberalism exists, it's under varying degrees of pressure from fundamentalists. That's the basic "split" or "conflict" or whatever in Islam that experts are always trying to get across to western publics. I see it much less where I am than in other places. Where AJ is, there's only a handfull of elites that can afford to be in any way liberal in their thinking. The big problem there is that the ruling class is trying to impose liberalism on its people in lieu of extremism because the culture has never absorped the concepts of critical thinking, which is fundamental to classical liberalism. In Yemen, I can see the possibility of democratic systems taking place because the people here are generally capable of thinking critically, relative to that other place. But the tendency is sti

Death Metal Moe

02-06-2006, 05:35 AM

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sr71blackbird

02-06-2006, 02:17 PM

Catholics are always considered and depicted as "extremists" by the press and liberals, but when the City of New York paid for this picture and had it hung in a museaum, it caused a controversy, but no one burned down City Hall.<img height="360" src="http://www.thecityreview.com/s00conc2.jpg" width="278" border="0" />Thats a crucifix floating in piss.<img src="http://www.chaoticconcepts.com/randomizer/random.php?uid=8" border="0" /> My Thanks to Just Jon, Reefdwella, ADF, Yerdaddy,Monsterone and Katylina for the sig-pic help and creation!Which Witch Wished Which Wicked Wish?<a href="http://www.myspace.com/sr71black" target="blank">SR71 on MySpace</a>

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Death Metal Moe

02-06-2006, 02:20 PM

Yea, I mean the Muslims are just fucking insane here.  It's the problem they have, Religion is their whole life and it's intertwined in every part of their society including government.I'm not sure if it was in here or on a website, but no one burns Arab country's Embassys down for the Anti Semetic cartoons that are a daily staple in Arab papers.Fuck them in the ass.  THIS is why ALL religion needs to be fucking exterminated.  OH if only I had the power. 

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FUNKMAN

02-06-2006, 02:26 PM

these people should be denounced on International TV by religious leaders all over the world. The only problem is nobody's slate is clean, religious or political. everybody does something fucked up in one way or the other. some people do it 'in your face' and others do it 'behind your back'...these people are just 'in your face' about it

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02-06-2006, 02:34 PM

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02-06-2006, 08:42 PM

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02-06-2006, 08:51 PM

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02-06-2006, 09:12 PM

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Yerdaddy

02-07-2006, 12:18 AM

Catholics are always considered and depicted as "extremists" by the press and liberals
Huh?

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bobrobot

02-07-2006, 05:47 AM

Now, I believe, an Iranian paper is sponsoring a "best" holocaust cartoon contest, "in the interest of free speech," proving that they have a sense of humor, as long as they can attack a favorite target of their preeminent bigotry.     Graham Chapman of Monty Python told a story concerning his public nudity in front of a bunch of Islamic women during the filming of "Life of Brian." This is EXTREMELY taboo, yet no one died, nothing was burned down, and the film was completed without incident. What has happened in the past 27 years to make them so much more volatile? Israel existed then, there were religious fundamentalists then, the "macho" arab obsession w/ the "warrior, scholar, poet" image existed then. Why is their only solution violence now? Is this solely caused by the 2 Bu$h presidents and Bin Laden?<img height="267" src="http://sqd.ru/files/l/ifeb7.jpg" width="400" border="0" /><a href="http://bobogolem.tripod.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderfiles/bluefezzy.mp3">BLUE FEZZY</a> <img src="http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y46/bobogolem/BoboPlan.jpg" border="0" /> Greetings, my friend. We are all interested in the future, for that is where you and I are going to spend the rest of our lives! And remember, my friend, future events such as these will affect you in the future. You are interested in the unknown, the mysterious, the unexplainable. That is why you are here.

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blakjeezis

02-07-2006, 06:16 AM

Over the past 20-30 years or so, Bobo, the world has grown exponentially smaller. At the same time the "decadence" of the west as grown at an almost as rapid rate. What these groups have seen is the borders of their power and influence threatened by Dreamworks, McDonalds, MTV, etc. More and more they have been squeezed in the vice of, well, vice. Instead of giving into the pressure they have wrapped the cloak of fundamentalism around them tighter still. <img src="http://members.hostedscripts.com/randomimage.cgi?user=blakjeezis" border="0" />If I were any better, I'd have to be twins!! INRI White people are so scared of blakjeezis INRI"Well, maybe there's a god above, but all I ever learned from love was how to shoot somebody who outdrew you." "God takes care of old folks and fools, while the Devil takes care of makin' all the rules."

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FMJeff

02-07-2006, 06:57 AM

quote: So if I drew and published a happy-go-lucky cartoon of Jesus graphically raping a little boy up the ass and published it in a major national publication, everything would be hunky-dory, right?This Danish paper went so damn far out of its way to instigate this that their argument of just innocently running a contest and, "oh NO!  How did THIS happen!" reeks of bullshit.  While the response of the people rioting is beyond retarded, come the fuck on...<img src="http://scripts.cgispy.com/image.cgi?u=TheMojoPin" border="0" /> Dancing with the women at the bar... << He knows his Claret from his Beaujolais >> "You can tell some lies about the good times we've had, but I've kissed your mother twice...and now I'm working on your dad..."I think the distinction is Christians wouldnt torch an embassy over it... 

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Sheeplovr

02-07-2006, 07:11 AM

anyone know how do i Enter the Holocaust cartoon contest?i love jews but i need money 

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02-07-2006, 07:14 AM

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FMJeff

02-07-2006, 07:21 AM

I love the fucking hypocrisy.KABUL, Afghanistan (Feb. 7) -- NATO peacekeepers exchanged fire with protesters who attacked their base Tuesday in the second straight day of violent demonstrations in Afghanistan over the publication of caricatures of the Prophet Muhammad, Afghan officials said. One demonstrator was killed and dozens wounded.Chief Minister Akram Durrani, the province's top elected official who led the rally, demanded the cartoonists "be punished like a terrorist.""Islam is a religion of peace. It insists that all other religions and faiths should be respected," he told the crowd. "Nobody has the right to insult Islam and hurt the feelings of Muslims." Do they even know what peace is? Or does peace mean kill everybody in Islam, i'm convinced now it does.In neighboring Pakistan, 5,000 people chanting "Hang the man who insulted the prophet" burned effigies of one cartoonist and Denmark's prime minister. And a prominent Iranian newspaper said it was going to hold a competition for cartoons on the Holocaust in reaction to European newspapers publishing the prophet drawings.Iran's supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, said the West's publication of the Prophet Muhammad cartoons was an Israeli conspiracy motivated by anger over the victory of the militant Hamas group in the Palestinian elections last month. "The West condemns any denial of the Jewish holocaust, but it permits the insult of Islamic sanctities," Khamenei said.I love this. Take a Danish fuck-up and try to blame it on Israel. And you wonder, Mojo, why Israel does what it does? It's this INSANITY that forces them to take an aggressive posture. What a fucking asshole...please please take out Ali Khamenei. Bring on the Holocaust cartoon. I mean it. Oh let war come, please. 

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DarkHippie

02-07-2006, 07:35 AM

Bring on the Holocaust cartoon. I mean it. Oh let war come, please. What war? they're fucking cartoons!!  There's nothing that anyone could draw that would make me wanna burn shit.

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02-07-2006, 09:01 AM

COUNTER-BOYCOTT!!!Who's with me?I got 3 words for you- Giant.  Lego. City.

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Sheeplovr

02-07-2006, 09:18 AM

There's nothing that anyone could draw that would make me wanna burn shit.What
if the drawing was on the side of a Brown Paper Lunch bag and there was
poop inside and the drawing suggested to do it for a good time burn
this bag ring the door bell and run away 
then inby-facto you would be buring shit becaue the drawing told you to then you ring the door bell and run

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FUNKMAN

02-07-2006, 09:22 AM

somebody should break into the Islamic TV Channel and start playing<img height="896" src="http://www.alyon.org/generale/theatre/cinema/affiches_cinema/p/poo-pro/popeye_meets_ali_baba_s_forty_thieves.jpg" width="635" border="0" />

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02-07-2006, 09:29 AM

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booster11373

02-07-2006, 09:55 AM

In my opinion this has clearly moved from controversy over a cartoon and has moved more to a Islam vs. the west.The Austrian embassy was attacked in Iran, Why? Muslims are capable of protesting peacfully they did it in Niger.My thought is that most of the nations goverments were the most violent protests are taking place are using this to 1. fan anti west and anti semetic flames 2. use these protests as a sort of pressure relese let them protest some cartoon and maybe they wont remeber the shit they live in and expect real change.

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Greggie44

02-07-2006, 10:13 AM

If you want to check out a good book to see the seeds of this behavior, read Among the Believers by V.S. Naipul.

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blakjeezis

02-07-2006, 10:26 AM

And if you wanna have the shit scared out of you read The End of Faith by Sam Harris. 

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FUNKMAN

02-07-2006, 10:36 AM

the west needs people to get in the middle of these mobs and yell 'bomb'... recently it seems like a good way to get about a thousand of e'm trampled to death<img src="http://www.riotvideo.com/videoimages/454361512399131564.png" border="0" />

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02-07-2006, 10:50 AM

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02-07-2006, 11:36 AM

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02-07-2006, 11:42 AM

we need to get all our hardened criminals that are serving life terms and parachute them into the middle of these demonstrations so they can start beating the living shit out of these people, butt fuck e'm til they denounce allah, and them give each one of them a nice sammich, maybe some nice imported proscioutto on semolina

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02-07-2006, 12:56 PM

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02-07-2006, 02:38 PM

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02-07-2006, 04:44 PM

<h1>Your Taboo, Not Mine</h1>The furor over cartoons of Muhammad reveals the zealot's double standard <div />By <a href="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/editmessage.cfm/Forum/87/Topic/48587/Message/*void(0)" onclick="*window.open('/time/letters/email_letter.html','letter','width=400,height=420, status=no,scrollbars=yes')">ANDREW SULLIVAN</a> TIME MAGAZINE - Posted Tuesday, Feb. 07, 2006 The iconic image of last week was in the Gaza Strip. It was of a Palestinian gunman astride the local office of the European Union. All the diplomatic staff had fled, tipped off ahead of time. The source of the militant's ire? A series of satirical cartoons originally published in Denmark. Yes, cartoons.A Danish paper, a while back, had commissioned a set of cartoons depicting the fear that many writers and artists in Europe feel when dealing with the subject of Islam. To Western eyes, the cartoons were not in any way remarkable. In fact, they were rather tame. One showed Muhammad with his turban depicted as a bomb--not exactly a fresh image to describe Islamic terrorism. Another used a simple graphic device: it showed Muhammad surrounded by two women in full Muslim garb, their eyes peering out from an oblong space in their black chadors. And on Muhammad's face there was an oblong too, blacking out his eyes. The point was that Islam has a blind spot when it comes to women's freedom. Crude but powerful: exactly what a political cartoon is supposed to be.The result was an astonishing uproar in the Muslim world, one of those revealing moments when the gulf between our world and theirs seems unbridgeable. Boycotts of European goods are in force; demonstrators in London held up signs proclaiming EXTERMINATE THOSE WHO MOCK ISLAM and BE PREPARED FOR THE REAL HOLOCAUST; the editor of the French newspaper France-Soir was fired for reprinting the drawings; Afghan President Hamid Karzai condemned the publication; and protesters set fire to the Danish and Norwegian embassies in Damascus. The Egyptian ambassador to Denmark expressed disbelief that the government would not prevent further reprinting. Freedom of the press, the Egyptian explained, "means the whole story will continue and that we are back to square one again. The government of Denmark has to do something to appease the Muslim world."Excuse me? In fact, the opposite is the case. The Muslim world needs to do something to appease the West. Since Ayatullah Khomeini declared a death sentence against Salman Rushdie for how he depicted Muhammad in his book The Satanic Verses, Islamic radicals have been essentially threatening the free discussion of their religion and politics in the West. Rushdie escaped with his life. But Pim Fortuyn, a Dutch politician who stood up against Muslim immigrant hostility to equality for women and gays, was murdered on the street. Theo van Gogh, a Dutch filmmaker who offended strict Muslims, was killed thereafter. Several other Dutch politicians who have dared to criticize the intolerance of many Muslims live with police protection.Muslim leaders say the cartoons are not just offensive. They're blasphemy--the mother of all offenses. That's because Islam forbids any visual depiction of the Prophet, even benign ones. Should non-Muslims respect this taboo? I see no reason why. You can respect a religion without honoring its taboos. I eat pork, and I'm not an anti-Semite. As a Catholic, I don't expect atheists to genuflect before an altar. If violating a taboo is necessary to illustrate a political point, then the call is an easy one. Freedom means learning to deal with being offended.Blasphemy, after all, is commonplace in the West. In America, Christians have become accustomed to artists' offending their religious symbols. They can protest, and cut off public funding--but the right of the individual to say or depict offensive messages or symbols is not really in dispute. Blasphemy, moreover, is common in th

FUNKMAN

02-07-2006, 04:52 PM

<h1>Your Taboo, Not Mine</h1>The furor over cartoons of Muhammad reveals the zealot's double standard * />By <a href="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/editmessage.cfm/Forum/87/Topic/48587/Message/*void(0)" onclick="*window.open('/time/letters/email_letter.html','letter','width=400,height=420, status=no,scrollbars=yes')">ANDREW SULLIVAN</a> TIME MAGAZINE - Posted Tuesday, Feb. 07, 2006good article! thanks...

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Yerdaddy

02-08-2006, 01:17 AM

booster11373 wrote: In my opinion this has clearly moved from controversy over a cartoon and has moved more to a Islam vs. the west.The Austrian embassy was attacked in Iran, Why? Muslims are capable of protesting peacfully they did it in Niger.My thought is that most of the nations goverments were the most violent protests are taking place are using this to 1. fan anti west and anti semetic flames 2. use these protests as a sort of pressure relese let them protest some cartoon and maybe they wont remeber the shit they live in and expect real change.People like to kill Germans Germans like to kill People Yep.

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02-08-2006, 06:39 AM

Bulldogcakes wrote: <a title="Muslim hackers blast Denmark in Net assault " href="http://www.pcpro.co.uk/shopper/news/83314/muslim-hackers-blast-denmark-in-net-assault.html" target="_self">Muslim hackers blast Denmark in Net assault</a>  Gangs of pro-Muslim computer hackers have unleashed a withering cyber attack on Danish and Western websites in the past week, escalating their defacement barrage to coincide with dozens of violent street-level demonstrations across the Arab world in protest at the publication of a cartoon depiction of the Prophet Mohammed.   This is what they do rather than downloading porn.

INFOSTUD

02-08-2006, 07:13 AM

Is it just me or is the entire world getting fed up with these people. These F's know no other way to handle any issue without resorting to violence. 

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02-08-2006, 08:52 AM

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FMJeff

02-08-2006, 08:54 AM

In my opinion this has clearly moved from controversy over a cartoon and has moved more to a Islam vs. the west.It's not your opinion, it's everybody's opinion. The middle east WANTS war with the free world. They WANT IT, and they're gonna GET IT, I'm telling you...this is going to come to a head and the last great (as in size) antiquated culture will be either stamped out or emerge victorious. It's everything they've been planning for. Mark my words. Radical fundamentalism is Islam. Period. That's is now cemented in my mind and the minds of the free world. Until I see overhwelming public condemnation and anti-fundamentalist policiing by moderate muslims around the world I will continue to believe this to be the case. For all of the news stories I've been reading regarding this issue, the amount of chatter from moderate and anti-violent Muslims have been a fucking whisper in a crowd full of majority Muslims with a lust for blood. LUST FOR BLOOD OVER FUCKING CARTOONS. This world cannot abide this kind of thinking. I'm not even asking for freedom of the press in the Muslim world. Trash the newspaper, don't buy it, don't sell it, publically condemn the newspaper and the Dutch people and the free world, but you're fucking INSANE for taking it to the next level...torching embassies, destroying cars and property, threats to behead and murder...ENOUGH. And don't tell me these are extremists, these are people in the Lebanese refugee camps...mainstream Middle East muslims, and not just there either...all over the world...What kind of prophet can't take a joke? What the fuck.

FUNKMAN

02-08-2006, 08:59 AM

i'm telling ya, we get some infiltrators to get into the middle of these protests and set off a pack of firecrackers and then just watch them trample and smother each others lights out...

Furtherman

02-08-2006, 09:27 AM

INFOSTUD wrote: Is it just me or is the entire world getting fed up with these people. These F's know no other way to handle any issue without resorting to violence. True.  Wow... this mess plays perfectly into the hands of those who want to go into Iran.You know, I'd bet money that over the years... in fact, shortly thereafter the printing press was invented... there has been charactures, political cartoons, stinging insults... of every god out there at one time or another.But now... only now... has it become such a big deal.  Has it become a threat. Religion is the masterpiece of the art of animal training, for it trains people as to how they shall think. -Arthur Schopenhauer

FUNKMAN

02-08-2006, 09:58 AM

talk about adding fuel to the fucking fire<a href="http://news.yahoo.com/fc/world/religion">http://news.yahoo.com/fc/world/religion</a>The Danish newspaper that first published caricatures of the Prophet Mohammad infuriating Muslims worldwide previously turned down cartoons of Jesus as too offensive, a cartoonist said on Wednesday.

INFOSTUD

02-08-2006, 11:01 AM

It's great to know that these mad-dogs hold the image of their prophet as sacred--but have absolutely no regard for human life.  The military might of the West could destroy the entire Middle East.  I think these nut jobs better be careful with what they wish for.

Yerdaddy

02-09-2006, 04:07 AM

<hr color="cococo" align="left">FMJeff wrote: <hr color="cococo" align="left">In my opinion this has clearly moved from controversy over a cartoon and has moved more to a Islam vs. the west.<hr color="cococo" align="left">It's not your opinion, it's everybody's opinion. The middle east WANTS war with the free world. They WANT IT, and they're gonna GET IT, I'm telling you...this is going to come to a head and the last great (as in size) antiquated culture will be either stamped out or emerge victorious. It's everything they've been planning for. Mark my words. Radical fundamentalism is Islam. Period. That's is now cemented in my mind and the minds of the free world. Until I see overhwelming public condemnation and anti-fundamentalist policiing by moderate muslims around the world I will continue to believe this to be the case. For all of the news stories I've been reading regarding this issue, the amount of chatter from moderate and anti-violent Muslims have been a fucking whisper in a crowd full of majority Muslims with a lust for blood. LUST FOR BLOOD OVER FUCKING CARTOONS. This world cannot abide this kind of thinking. I'm not even asking for freedom of the press in the Muslim world. Trash the newspaper, don't buy it, don't sell it, publically condemn the newspaper and the Dutch people and the free world, but you're fucking INSANE for taking it to the next level...torching embassies, destroying cars and property, threats to behead and murder...ENOUGH. And don't tell me these are extremists, these are people in the Lebanese refugee camps...mainstream Middle East muslims, and not just there either...all over the world...What kind of prophet can't take a joke? What the fuck. <hr color="cococo" align="left">

A.J.

02-09-2006, 06:28 AM

FUNKMAN

02-09-2006, 07:57 AM

<a href="http://news.yahoo.com/fc/world/religion" target="_self">The leader of Hezbollah, heading a march by hundreds of thousands of Shiite Muslims Thursday, said President Bush and his secretary of state should "shut up"</a>

TheMojoPin

02-09-2006, 12:37 PM

Radical fundamentalism is Islam. Period. That's is now cemented in my mind and the minds of the free world. Until I see overhwelming public condemnation and anti-fundamentalist policiing by moderate muslims around the world I will continue to believe this to be the case. For all of the news stories I've been reading regarding this issue, the amount of chatter from moderate and anti-violent Muslims have been a fucking whisper in a crowd full of majority Muslims with a lust for blood.AGAIN with this strawman non-solution.  How is someone being more blatantly anti-extremist than by just being a msulim AND choosing to not be an extremist?  Worry about the nutjobs that ARE going crazy over this whole mess, because there ARE a lot of them and they're dangerous.  Asking/begging/demanding the people NOT freaking out to get involved is pointless!  Why are the extremists going to listen to people supposedly part of "their" religion that aren't flipping out with them?  An extremist is just going to view THOSE people as traitors and not "real" muslims.  That's why they're "extremists."  They don't listen to reason.  Why is this so tricky to grasp?  There have been clerics wading itno the crowds and telling the protestors to stop and they're just ignored or even attacked.  If they're attacking their own religious leaders and officials for disagreeing with them, why do you want muslims minding their own goddamn business and going about their lives to try?  What's going to be accomplished?  Why would the extremists listen to moderate muslims?It's great to know that these mad-dogs hold the image of their prophet as sacred--but have absolutely no regard for human life.  The military might of the West could destroy the entire Middle East.  I think these nut jobs better be careful with what they wish for.Oh, great, another winning insight from Infostud.  When you say destroy, I assume you're talking about nukes, right?  Because that's literally the ONLY way that statement would be true.  And again, how can decry people having "no regard for human life" and then essentially talk about wiping them off the face of the planet IN THE SAME POST?  If that's you're opinion, fine, but don't delude yourself for a second into thinking that you're not just as bad as them, or that we somehow get to still be the "good guys" by committing GENOCIDE.  Because that's what it would be.  You wants us to behave like the extremists do?  Is that what you REALLY want?

Furtherman

02-09-2006, 12:49 PM

Just a moderate nuclear blast would not only destroy a region... but would poison the area.. and that poison would spread and eventually we would all suffer.  Most notably our water supplies. And when I say moderate, I mean that the Nagasaki Fat Man bomb was 22 kilotons.  The average nuke these days is about 1000 times more powerful.So joking aside, saying nuke the place would eventually destroy us all.

This message was edited by Furtherman on 2-9-06 @ 4:51 PM

TheMojoPin

02-09-2006, 12:54 PM

Man, stop thinking this through.  Clearly, it's the only solution.  Otherwise, all those cleverly posted pics of nuclear explosions in threads like this were LIES!  And those make baby Jesus cry tears of vomit...

Furtherman

02-09-2006, 01:08 PM

You're right.As I think back to those home movies of Thanksgiving 1979.BOMB IRAN!

furie

02-09-2006, 01:35 PM

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furie

02-09-2006, 01:39 PM

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TheMojoPin

02-09-2006, 01:52 PM

Wait, are those from the riots or from a WWF show?  That's some catchy shit!

Bulldogcakes

02-09-2006, 02:16 PM

TheMojoPin wrote:When you say destroy, I assume you're talking about nukes, right? Because that's literally the ONLY way that statement would be true. And again, how can decry people having "no regard for human life" and then essentially talk about wiping them off the face of the planet IN THE SAME POST? <img border="0" src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/clap.gif" />I would only like to add that in the USA, black leaders have often made excuses for criminals in their community, started riots, and failed to denounce the worst elements among them. I suppose we should nuke Harlem as well, by this line of thinking.Us Italian-Americans, of course have never celebrated the criminals in our community<img width="157" height="169" border="0" src="http://parkwayreststop.blogspot.com/Tony%20Soprano.jpg" /> 

This message was edited by Bulldogcakes on 2-9-06 @ 6:32 PM

Bulldogcakes

02-09-2006, 02:25 PM

I'd also like to add that somebody, somewhere should denounce the editor who made the decision  to run this cartoon. While everybody in the west embraces the notion of free speech, it ought to be exercised with some sense of discretion and responsibility. We all have freedom of speech. That doesn't mean you say "pass the salt, cunt" at the dinner table. Why not, you're exercising your God given rights, aren't you? Or do we expect people to exercise their rights with a sense of repect for the feelings of others? This editor hiding behind free speech is either an asshole or a fool. I hope he sleeps well with all the mayhem and death he started by his carelessness.

HBox

02-09-2006, 02:38 PM

I hope he sleeps well with all the mayhem and death he started by his carelessness.No way. He did not start this. He did nothing that invites violence. He could have and should have foreseen boycotts and protests. But no, nothing like this could be foreseen. And I doubt he sleeps well with the death threats he's receiving and the police protection he now requires.As far as the violence and death goes, 110% of the blame falls squarely on the international Muslim communtiy.

bobrobot

02-09-2006, 02:40 PM

Wait, are those from the riots or from a WWF show?<img height="202" src="http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y46/bobogolem/muslimProtests.jpg" width="317" border="0" />

This message was edited by bobogolem on 2-9-06 @ 6:41 PM

TheMojoPin

02-09-2006, 02:41 PM

Exactly, BDC.  Common sense!  SHOULD the paper be able to publish these cartoons?  Of course.  But the world as it is right now it was not the smartest move.  Maybe printing one at a time, here or there, but to go out of your way to draw attention that you're having a CONTEST over this was absurd.  Again, you really think a paper would do the same with Jesus (and this paper HAS rejected cartoons of Jesus for being "too offensive") and not get some kind of harsh response from Christian groups?  Of course, I'm not saying it would be a mass of violent riots like this (but then again, who knows?  You've got crazies in every group, some more than others, but when has anyone had the balls to do something like this to Christians?), but come on...as people who are fans of a show that used to be on WNEW, we're all VERY familiar with what can happen when you go OUT OF YOUR WAY to piss off religious groups!What was the point trying to be made here?  Watch us piss off the extremists?  Wow, real easy.  We knew these guys were nuts already...nothing new was learned.  No great insight was revealed.  It's the equivalent of me taking a stick of dynamite, declaring that it will explode and kill me when the fuse burns down, then lighting it and tossing it into my lap and being blown to bits.  Alright...what did I accomplish?

This message was edited by TheMojoPin on 2-9-06 @ 6:46 PM

TheMojoPin

02-09-2006, 02:46 PM

HBox wrote:  I hope he sleeps well with all the mayhem and death he started by his carelessness.  No way. He did not start this. He did nothing that invites violence. He could have and should have foreseen boycotts and protests. But no, nothing like this could be foreseen.  In a word...bullshit.What world has he been living in HIS ENTIRE LIFE?"OK, I'm going to out of my to make as much fun of THE main focal point, besides God himself, of a MASSIVE global religion that is known for having a very large and very dangerous undercurrent of extremists that respond to things like this very angrily and often with violence.  I have no point to make that nobody already knows a thousand times over, but....ah, fuck it!  Take that, ragheads!  Hey, get that Jesus cartoon out of here!  It disgusts me!"BDC and I are making the same point...yes, this paper SHOULD be able to print these cartoons without fear of reprisal.  Nobody is going to disagree with that.  But right now, with these people and these issues, the world does NOT work like that.  Again, had there been some brilliant new point to make that we didn't all know already, MAYBE it would have been worth it...but all of this as it actually is?  What was the point?  Muslim extremists are dangerous?  No shit, sherlock.

Bulldogcakes

02-09-2006, 02:57 PM

No way. He did not start this. He did nothing that invites violence. He could have and should have foreseen boycotts and protests.  But no, nothing like this could be foreseen.  Unforseeable? Remember this? <div><div><h1><a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/05/15/AR2005051500605.html" target="_self" title="Newsweek Apologizes">Newsweek Apologizes</a></h1>Newsweek apologized yesterday for an inaccurate report on the
treatment of detainees that triggered several days of rioting in
Afghanistan and other countries in which at least 15 people died. The
report, in the issue dated May 9, said U.S. military investigators had
found that American interrogators at the detention facility at
Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, had flushed a copy of the Koran, the sacred
Muslim text, down a toilet. A week later, when newspapers in
Afghanistan and Pakistan picked up the item, it sparked anti-American
demonstrations in the Afghan city of Jalalabad in which four protesters
were killed and more than 60 injured. About a dozen more protesters
were killed in the following days when the demonstrations spread across
Afghanistan and to Pakistan and other countries. <h1> </h1></div></div>

FMJeff

02-09-2006, 11:12 PM

AGAIN with this strawman non-solution.  How is someone being more blatantly anti-extremist than by just being a msulim AND choosing to not be an extremist?  Worry about the nutjobs that ARE going crazy over this whole mess, because there ARE a lot of them and they're dangerous.  Asking/begging/demanding the people NOT freaking out to get involved is pointless!  Why are the extremists going to listen to people supposedly part of "their" religion that aren't flipping out with them?  An extremist is just going to view THOSE people as traitors and not "real" muslims.  That's why they're "extremists."  They don't listen to reason.  Why is this so tricky to grasp?  There have been clerics wading itno the crowds and telling the protestors to stop and they're just ignored or even attacked.  If they're attacking their own religious leaders and officials for disagreeing with them, why do you want muslims minding their own goddamn business and going about their lives to try?  What's going to be accomplished?  Why would the extremists listen to moderate muslims?It's not just extremists Mojo. As I said earlier, the protests are not limited to the fanatics. We're talking MAINSTREAM MUSLIM POPULATIONS in Syria, Lebanon, Iraq, Iran and Palestine. Lebanese refugees. Syrian nationals. West Bank Palestinians. The extremists have galvanized the moderate Muslim base into an international riot force to be reckoned with.And the worst part is how EASY it was to get them on board. Simply add a couple of more offensive cartoons not even published in the original release and link the cartoons in an absurd roundabout fashion to western (american) influences. They're playing the Middle East like a fiddle, and nobody's standing up against them...maybe out of fear...maybe out of loyalty....maybe both...And yes, I expect any moderate devout follower of a faith to denounce perversions of thier own religion. Christians do it in this country all the time when Pat Robertson opens his big fat mouth.

HBox

02-09-2006, 11:41 PM

TheMojoPin wrote: HBox wrote: I hope he sleeps well with all the mayhem and death he started by his carelessness. No way. He did not start this. He did nothing that invites violence. He could have and should have foreseen boycotts and protests. But no, nothing like this could be foreseen. In a word...bullshit.What world has he been living in HIS ENTIRE LIFE?"OK, I'm going to out of my to make as much fun of THE main focal point, besides God himself, of a MASSIVE global religion that is known for having a very large and very dangerous undercurrent of extremists that respond to things like this very angrily and often with violence. I have no point to make that nobody already knows a thousand times over, but....ah, fuck it! Take that, ragheads! Hey, get that Jesus cartoon out of here! It disgusts me!"BDC and I are making the same point...yes, this paper SHOULD be able to print these cartoons without fear of reprisal. Nobody is going to disagree with that. But right now, with these people and these issues, the world does NOT work like that. Again, had there been some brilliant new point to make that we didn't all know already, MAYBE it would have been worth it...but all of this as it actually is? What was the point? Muslim extremists are dangerous? No shit, sherlock.  If you ignore the fact that it took a political group's campaign and fabrications to spark up this up then you might have a point. In lieu of that, these cartoons incite nothing. A Muslim group was looking to start something up and much of the populace of the Middle East, through intolerance or ignorance, fell for it way too easily. IMO, if it wasn't this it would have eventually been something else. It is something that has and is continuing to brew and they are in the wrong.

Furtherman

02-10-2006, 06:18 AM

The first day these protests started....  they had Danish flags to burn.Where did they get them so fast?  Is there a flag store in every middle eastern country stocked with plently of Old Glorys, some Union Jacks and just in..... Denmark!

booster11373

02-10-2006, 06:26 AM

Furtherman wrote: The first day these protests started....  they had Danish flags to burn.Where did they get them so fast?  Is there a flag store in every middle eastern country stocked with plently of Old Glorys, some Union Jacks and just in..... Denmark!That is going to be my new web based business westernflagstoburn.com. Overnight shipping to the Middle east

Sheeplovr

02-10-2006, 06:36 AM

did anyone figure out how ot enter the iran news paper contest everyone is talking about it but nobody has the enter info

booster11373

02-10-2006, 06:47 AM

Sheeplovr wrote: did anyone figure out how ot enter the iran news paper contest everyone is talking about it but nobody has the enter info Just mark the envelope Anti-jewish cartoon care of The Middle East and it will get to the right hands

TheMojoPin

02-10-2006, 08:29 AM

It's not just extremists Mojo. As I said earlier, the protests are not limited to the fanatics. We're talking MAINSTREAM MUSLIM POPULATIONS in Syria, Lebanon, Iraq, Iran and Palestine. Lebanese refugees. Syrian nationals. West Bank Palestinians. The extremists have galvanized the moderate Muslim base into an international riot force to be reckoned with.If they're responding violently to cartoons, they're extremists, period.  These people weren't just sitting around without a care in the world and became violent over nowhere.  These were angry people waiting for a reason to explode.  Stop trying to paint it like Johnny 9-5 suddenly flipped scripts and starting rioting en masse, because it's not the case.  And "international force?"  Do you even have a clue how many muslims there are in the world?  You put all the various sects together and you have over a billion people.  The rioters number in the thousands.  That's not a very big "mainstream population," Jeff.And the worst part is how EASY it was to get them on board. Simply add a couple of more offensive cartoons not even published in the original release and link the cartoons in an absurd roundabout fashion to western (american) influences. They're playing the Middle East like a fiddle, and nobody's standing up against them...maybe out of fear...maybe out of loyalty....maybe both...Who is "nobody?"  There's police response in all of the countries involved.  Sometimes they can't always contain a mob.  We've seen that many times in our own country.  You make it sound like nobody's trying to stop them.And yes, I expect any moderate devout follower of a faith to denounce perversions of thier own religion. Christians do it in this country all the time when Pat Robertson opens his big fat mouth.As a frustrated church-goer pretty much my entire life, that's simply not true.  It's THE main reason I don't go to church every week at this point.  I've been to dozens of churches around the world and never once heard anyone denouncing the evangelists, even during the height of their scandals in the 80's and early 90's.  Granted, I never heard them supported, but on the flipside of that, they're just completely ignored.  And yes, I do hold Christian leaders to a different standard here...Christian extremists and Muslim extremists are incredible different.  Christian extremists, for the most part, WOULD listen if Vatican officials or major church leaders started seriously denouncing guys like Robertson.  Muslim extremists are far, FAR more buried in their belieifs.  You really are wither with them or against them, and that includes other muslims.  Muslims not right there yelling and rioting and burning with them aren't even considered muslims anymore to them.  Why are they going to listen to people they essentially view as traitors or non-muslims?  And even beyond that, you have a number of major muslim sects, some of which do not recognize others as "official muslims" at all.  So it's moot to think a few choice words will calm all this.  It's simply not true and impossible.If you ignore the fact that it took a political group's campaign and fabrications to spark up this up then you might have a point. In lieu of that, these cartoons incite nothing. A Muslim group was looking to start something up and much of the populace of the Middle East, through intolerance or ignorance, fell for it way too easily. IMO, if it wasn't this it would have eventually been something else. It is something that has and is continuing to brew and they are in the wrong.I'm not ignoring it at all...you're ignoring that the end result would likely have been anger and violence on SOME scale no matter what.  The result would have been similar or the same without these groups or not...

booster11373

02-10-2006, 09:40 AM

Finally the great taste of Jihad on a T-shirt<img height="125" src="http://www.drudgereport.com/mt.jpg" width="125" border="0" /><a href="http://www.prweb.com/releases/2006/2/inktomi343238.php" target="_self">http://www.prweb.com/releases/2006/2/inktomi343238.php</a>

HBox

02-10-2006, 03:11 PM

It's certainly your right to go and run back and
forth across a busy highway, but don't come and cry to me when you get
bounced off of a speeding car.That's an invalid comparison. People driving on the have every right to be driving on that highway. Muslim protestors have no right to be doing what they are doing. Again, I think the most valid comparison is the rape analogy. When you blame the the paper you are blaming the rape victim. You can bring up all sorts of points about how smart it was to do what the paper did, but the crime makes it irrelevant. On one side you have somebody doing something they have every right to do, and on the other side you have violent predators with no regard to law.As far as the paper, I agree that it wasn't the smartest thing to publish and they had to expect some sort of backlash. However, I will not blame them for this and will never say that they should have been intmidated into silence. They did nothing wrong.

ChrisTheCop

02-10-2006, 03:50 PM

i've been disappointed by the u.s. media that theyre either too afraid or too politically correct to post the cartoon they only talk about everyday. i thought one of you wouldve done it by now...but...here's the cartoon that started it all:<img src="http://www.uriasposten.net/pics/JP-011005-Muhammed-Westerga.jpg" border="0" />: but i thought this one was better<img height="288" src="http://islamcommentaries.com/images/wwmd.gif" width="465" border="0" />

East Side Dave

02-10-2006, 04:00 PM

i like the far side where the cow is speaking english.......holy shit.....that fuckin one gets me every time.....

ChrisTheCop

02-10-2006, 08:18 PM

u mean this one, Dave?<img height="386" src="http://www.utexas.edu/inside_ut/journals/leila/graphics/leila_reflections1.jpg" width="300" border="0" />

TheMojoPin

02-10-2006, 08:26 PM

HBox wrote:  It's certainly your right to go and run back and forth across a busy highway, but don't come and cry to me when you get bounced off of a speeding car.  That's an invalid comparison.Fine.  Go back to my dynamite analogy.  Sure, I CAN loudly declare that by lighting a stick of dynamite and holding in my lap I'll explode...but what's accomplished when I do?  What was the point?  And what didn't people know in the first place?People driving on the have every right to be driving on that highway. Muslim protestors have no right to be doing what they are doing.Nobody is saying or has said they do.  But it should be zero surprise that this could have happened to anyone with an iota of common sense.Again, I think the most valid comparison is the rape analogy. When you blame the the paper you are blaming the rape victim.I think that's completely inaccurate.  This was an extremely right wing paper with a history of questionable and racist "journalism" towards non-caucasians, especially people from the Middle East.  This didn't come out of nowhere.  It was blatantly antagonistic.  Were they necessarily trying to incite THIS response?  No, I don't think so.  But I do think they were attempting to be as offensive and/or sensationalistic as possible.  Comparing them to a rape victim implies they were completely innocent.  I don't think they were, and I think their history backs me up.You can bring up all sorts of points about how smart it was to do what the paper did, but the crime makes it irrelevant.That's absurd.On one side you have somebody doing something they have every right to do, and on the other side you have violent predators with no regard to law.Freedom of the press also translates to responsible journalism.  Just because you CAN print something doesn't mean you SHOULD.  Again, what was the point of this whole debacle besides what I was talking about above.  Coming from a paper that has out and out refused to print blatantly biased and insulting cartoons of another religious icon in the past?  It would be great if the world was hunky-dory and printing ugly and racist cartoons would just be met with a shrug and a turned back...but that's a fantasy in the here and now.  I'm simply saying their decision was stupid and they accomplished nothing.  No point was being made, no great insight or revelation or story of the century.  They were trying to piss people off and it bit them in the ass. As far as the paper, I agree that it wasn't the smartest thing to publish and they had to expect some sort of backlash. However, I will not blame them for this and will never say that they should have been intmidated into silence. They did nothing wrong.I respectfully disagree.  What's wrong with a little common sense?  Or taking the higher road?  They could have easily presented a critique or cartoon of muslims or the Middle East or whatever in general...people do it all the time.  But they very publically and visibly chose to go after a figure held in literally life and death regard by over a billion people.  It was just stupid and spiteful and served to accomplish nothing.&nb

Bulldogcakes

02-11-2006, 04:41 PM

TheMojoPin wrote:Idiots inciting idiots.  I'd like to post something, but I just cant add anything to that. It just sums it up perfect.

HBox

02-11-2006, 04:44 PM

Look, I know this is quote is beyond cliched, but it just sums up my POV about this mess: "I may not agree with what you say, but I'll fight to the death to defend your right to say it." There is worldwide violence, protests, and attempts at intimidation trying to curtail the right to free speech, and I view that as the biggest wrong, and the biggest threat, and whether or not what the paper printed was smart or inflammatory is beyond secondary to me at the moment. Some asshole living in Syria has no right to tell me what I can and cannot say, and how I can treat his religion. Capitulation to this in advance is still capitulation.

TheRealEddie

02-11-2006, 07:23 PM

Given that South Park loves to go after current events for plot lines, I wonder if they would dare to make an epsiode about this whole incident, specifically to taunt muslims with a spoof on muhammed.

HBox

02-11-2006, 07:39 PM

I think they are still a ways off from new episodes, but this has to be the topic for the premier.

ChrisTheCop

02-11-2006, 07:40 PM

am i confusing deities or didnt south park already portray mohammed as a big 3 story tall talking cone of light? i wouldnt be surprised if he made a re-appearance,

HBox

02-11-2006, 07:45 PM

<img width="400" height="300" border="0" src="http://www.southpark.dsl.pipex.com/images/epiimgs/epi504/504-7.gif" />The big cone of light was something else, but right here Mohammad is right between Jesus and Buddha. And any depiction of Mohammad is blasphemy to Muslims, so this is blasphemy.

TheMojoPin

02-11-2006, 07:53 PM

<hr color="cococo" align="left">HBox wrote: Look, I know this is quote is beyond cliched, but it just sums up my POV about this mess: "I may not agree with what you say, but I'll fight to the death to defend your right to say it." There is worldwide violence, protests, and attempts at intimidation trying to curtail the right to free speech, and I view that as the biggest wrong, and the biggest threat, and whether or not what the paper printed was smart or inflammatory is beyond secondary to me at the moment. Some asshole living in Syria has no right to tell me what I can and cannot say, and how I can treat his religion. Capitulation to this in advance is still capitulation. <hr color="cococo" align="left">

suggums

02-11-2006, 08:04 PM

two things:1. bulldogcakes im putting "pass the salt, cunt" in my <strike>mod quote avatar</strike> signature and i hope you dont mind2. mojo we shouldve CLOSED THE STORE AT 8 FUCK BOB 

This message was edited by suggums on 2-12-06 @ 12:06 AM

FUNKMAN

02-11-2006, 09:47 PM

the problem with these fuckers is they never take a bath. if they did they wouldn't have all that time to be out in the street throwing rocks...

TheMojoPin

02-12-2006, 02:48 AM

Hey now, where'd my post go?!?Ah, whatever.  It's 6 in the morning and I have to go open a fucking bookstore in over a foot of store.  Yippie-ki-yay.

Bulldogcakes

02-12-2006, 05:39 AM

HBox wrote: Look, I know this is quote is beyond cliched, but it just sums up my POV about this mess: "I may not agree with what you say, but I'll fight to the death to defend your right to say it." There is worldwide violence, protests, and attempts at intimidation trying to curtail the right to free speech, and I view that as the biggest wrong, and the biggest threat, and whether or not what the paper printed was smart or inflammatory is beyond secondary to me at the moment. Some asshole living in Syria has no right to tell me what I can and cannot say, and how I can treat his religion. Capitulation to this in advance is still capitulation.  I agree. Pass the salt, cunt.  <blockquote />

Bulldogcakes

02-12-2006, 05:47 AM

TheMojoPin wrote: Hey now, where'd my post go?!?Ah, whatever. It's 6 in the morning and I have to go open a fucking bookstore in over a foot of store. Yippie-ki-yay. You work in a one foot store? <blockquote />

TheMojoPin

02-12-2006, 10:45 AM

Bulldogcakes wrote:  TheMojoPin wrote: Hey now, where'd my post go?!?Ah, whatever. It's 6 in the morning and I have to go open a fucking bookstore in over a foot of store. Yippie-ki-yay. You work in a one foot store?  Man, see how crazed/enraged/weary I was?HBox, I had a longer reply for you a few posts above but for some reason it vanished.  In short, using common sense or common decency isn't necessarily "capitulation."  There cartoons served no purpose except to be as offensive as possible.  If not, then why did they blatantly and vocally target Muhammed and not Islam itself?  Nobody's saying they COULDN'T, but it was an ugly, hateful agenda, and I'm calling them on it.  Disagree with them all you want, but billions of people around the world find figures like Muhammed, Jesus, Buddha scared and untouchable.  It's cowardly to attack those figures than the actual people misusing those figures.

furie

02-13-2006, 12:39 PM

Russian MP Says Muslim Riots Were US Provocation

Echoing the comments of Liberal Democrats leader Vladimir Zhirinovsky, another Russian MP has gone public with his contention that the recent Muslim riots were a staged US provocation in order to swing public opinion in Europe beind supporting an attack on Iran.

Gennady Zyuganov told a news conference that the publication of the offensive cartoons was a "well thought-out major provocation using newspapers and magazines to aggravate the situation, the relationship between the European countries and the Muslim world."

Zyuganov (pictured below) said that the riots could only benefit the US and that they were "not advantageous for Europe but those who have raised this hysteria, insulted religious feelings of one and a half billion of Muslims, are pushing Europe into the arms of the American military clique."

<a target='blank' href=http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/february2006/130206usprovocation.htm>more...</a>

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Yerdaddy

02-14-2006, 01:39 AM

furie wrote: Russian MP Says Muslim Riots Were US Provocation Echoing the comments of Liberal Democrats leader Vladimir Zhirinovsky, another Russian MP has gone public with his contention that the recent Muslim riots were a staged US provocation in order to swing public opinion in Europe beind supporting an attack on Iran. Gennady Zyuganov told a news conference that the publication of the offensive cartoons was a "well thought-out major provocation using newspapers and magazines to aggravate the situation, the relationship between the European countries and the Muslim world.” Zyuganov (pictured below) said that the riots could only benefit the US and that they were "not advantageous for Europe but those who have raised this hysteria, insulted religious feelings of one and a half billion of Muslims, are pushing Europe into the arms of the American military clique.” <a href="http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/february2006/130206usprovocation.htm" target="blank">more...</a> <img src="http://www.prisonplanet.com/images/february2006/130206riot.jpg" border="0" /> This message was edited by furie on 2-13-06 @ 4:42 PM This silly Russian ought to know the power of paranoia: a well-educated Yemeni friend told me that he heard it was the American government that orchestrated all of this to make Europe look like they hate Muslims as much as America does. I told him our government isn't smart enough to think of that - they're too busy getting caught paying Iraqi newspapers to print pro-American stories. I'm sure he's convinced it was us. Honestly, I'm sick of this subject. I'm disgusted with just about everyone - especially the new posting tools that deleted my long rant on the last page saying how sick of this subject I am! BY THIS SLIGHT I SHALL BATHE IN THE BLOOD OF THE INFIDEL POSTING TOOLS! Only because I don't know how to draw offensive cartoons about them.The good news, for me, is that <a href="http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/3A6809B2-A7A4-4170-9B94-099FAEE84761.htm" target="_blank">my old boss got arrested</a> over publishing the photos in the <a href="http://www.yobserver.com/" target="_blank">Yemen Observer</a>, (some crazy shit on there as they try to cover their asses). Personally, he can be a nice guy, but, professionally, he's a retarded tool. Fuck him. Besides, he's probably just in jail to protect him from nutters who might come after him. But he'll be fine since his boss is a friend of the president and the paper is a shill for the the ruling party. The just don't know shit about the newspaper business, so they run the thing like a high school year book and... oops! How did those photos get in there? Dumbasses.But, also, yes, three Yemeni newspapers republished the photos and were shut down and their editors arrested - demonstrating the Muslim world's understanding of free speech. And, yes, Muslim protesters are being hugely hypocritical when they claim the prohibition on drawings of Muhammad - Muslims haven't admitted it to me, but my western friends who have lived here for years tell me it's common to make drawings of the prophet. However, the majority of western commentary about this is literally lying about the fact that these drawings were patently offensive to all Muslims - regardless of the proclaimed ban on images of the prophet. They've called them "whimsical", "satyrical", "harmless", "humorous" and other words that downplay the fact that they were clearly intended to offend. They also fail to point out that the original newspaper's "apology" was no opology at all, as it actually blames Muslims themselves for being offended. And they're not getting across any decent explaination about what free speech is all about, or making the important pointed criticizm of Muslim protesters that there is a big fucking difference between a newspaper and a country goddammitt! Why aren't they get

Hottub

02-14-2006, 09:09 AM

<a href="http://www.optonline.net/News/Article/Feeds?CID=type%3Dxml%26channel%3D32%26article%3D17 330095" target="_blank">Pakistanis go on a rampage!</a>

Bulldogcakes

02-14-2006, 01:51 PM

<a target="_blank" href="http://www.optonline.net/News/Article/Feeds?CID=type%3Dxml%26channel%3D32%26article%3D17 330095">Pakistanis go on a rampage!</a> Part two of the idiots vs idiots equation. You protest the depiction of Muhammed as violent terrorist by committing VIOLENT TERRORIST acts? Responsible Muslims must have their heads in their hands at the sheer stupidity of it all.

FMJeff

02-14-2006, 02:23 PM

INFOSTUD wrote: DAMASCUS, Syria - Several thousand Syrian demonstrators set the Danish and the Norwegian embassies on fire on Saturday to protest at the publishing of cartoons of the Prophet Mohammad by European newspapers.http://news.yahoo.com/fc/world/religion.These people are mad dogs. Screw them. It's a god-damn cartoon. which they think is offensive so they burn buildings; thereby, endangering lifes. F' these people. Anyone who tells you Islam is a religion of peace doesn't know dick.Does anyone have a link to the exact cartoons in question? <img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v448/INFOSTUD/infostud.jpg" border="0" /> This message was edited by INFOSTUD on 2-4-06 @ 8:33 PM Well according to Mojo they're all fanatics and extremists...all several thousand of them in Syria and several thousand of them in Pakistan and well...the thousands in the other countries...I guess thousands of people coming out in mass doesn't at the very least give the impression that the majority feels this way.

angrymissy

02-14-2006, 02:32 PM

am i confusing deities or didnt south park already portray mohammed as a big 3 story tall talking cone of light? i wouldnt be surprised if he made a re-appearance, That was moses in the Jew Camp episode.  He looked like the thing from TRON.

HBox

02-14-2006, 03:07 PM

I've been going through this in my head and trying to come up with a way to explain how I feel about this coherently and I hope I got it: To me, it comes down to the motives of the newspaper that published them. If they were trying to incite something like this (which I truly do not believe, I cannot believe they wanted any part of this), then fuck them, they have no sympathy from me. It's almost akin to the whole "Yelling Fire in a crowded theater" thing. But, if they were trying to make a political point, no matter how short-sighted, inflammatory, offensive or stupid it was, they have all my support. People are offended every single day and 99% of them deal with it. Overwhelmingly they don't even write a letter or show any public display of displeasure. So I really don't care if every single Muslim in the world was offended. It still gives them no right. I wasn't aware of the history of the paper, but either way they have their rights.I just don't want to get to a point where people or newspapers start being essentially censored by fear of Muslim reprisal, which is why I am not comfortable with the argument "they should have known something like this could have happened, so they shouldn't have printed it". It comes off to me being an argument in favor of being intimidated. It's already hapenning with the murders of Theo van Gogh and Pim Fortuyn. I just think we really need to defend our core values, and where they need to be defended the most is in instances like this. What's most important is sending a message to the Muslim world that our freedom of speech is non-negotiable, and we will have to start working from there.

SatCam

02-14-2006, 03:15 PM

<hr color="cococo" align="left">Well according to Mojo they're all fanatics and extremists...all several thousand of them in Syria and several thousand of them in Pakistan and well...the thousands in the other countries...

I guess thousands of people coming out in mass doesn't at the very least give the impression that the majority feels this way.<hr color="cococo" align="left">

Woah... several thousand people out of 1,200,000,000 muslims now represents everyone? I'm not disagreeing that there are a lot of fucked up muslims in the middle east, but I wouldn't lump every muslim with them. I do think that a lot of muslims rioting aren't exactly suicide bombers... they're just brainwashed morons who find comfort in groups of other brainwashed rioters.

edit: added some zeros

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FUNKMAN

02-14-2006, 03:22 PM

they're just brainwashed morons who find comfort in groups of other brainwashed rioters. if these people washed their bodies more than their brains... we'd all be better off

furie

02-14-2006, 06:01 PM

angrymissy wrote: am i confusing deities or didnt south park already portray mohammed as a big 3 story tall talking cone of light? i wouldnt be surprised if he made a re-appearance, That was moses in the Jew Camp episode. He looked like the thing from TRON.

that would be the master control program, or just mcp.

TheMojoPin

02-14-2006, 06:19 PM

FMJeff wrote: INFOSTUD wrote: DAMASCUS, Syria - Several thousand Syrian demonstrators set the Danish and the Norwegian embassies on fire on Saturday to protest at the publishing of cartoons of the Prophet Mohammad by European newspapers.http://news.yahoo.com/fc/world/religion.These people are mad dogs. Screw them. It's a god-damn cartoon. which they think is offensive so they burn buildings; thereby, endangering lifes. F' these people. Anyone who tells you Islam is a religion of peace doesn't know dick.Does anyone have a link to the exact cartoons in question? <img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v448/INFOSTUD/infostud.jpg" border="0" /> This message was edited by INFOSTUD on 2-4-06 @ 8:33 PM Well according to Mojo they're all fanatics and extremists...all several thousand of them in Syria and several thousand of them in Pakistan and well...the thousands in the other countries...I guess thousands of people coming out in mass doesn't at the very least give the impression that the majority feels this way. SatCam repeated my intial point.  It's a religion of over a billion people.  While your web-building skills kick ass, your math is laughably bad.

TheMojoPin

02-14-2006, 06:25 PM

HBox, it's clear you and I arguing two completely different points.  I agree with everything you say...my point is that there IS inherent risk in printing these things, and there's no way you can root out of the source of the problem in anything even close to resembling an easy way.  It's going to take gradual change, and until then, people are just going to have make shitty choices when it comes to printing things like this.  Of course, papers can print these things...but until HUGE changes happen, it's going to be a risk and decisions will HAVE to be weighed, and responsibilities recognized.  It sucks, but that's the world right now.  There's absolutely no other way around it.

Death Metal Moe

02-14-2006, 06:27 PM

Don't the realize that as Americans we have short attention spans and we've already moved on to the news of Katie Holmes and Tom Cruise breaking up?Silly savages.

FUNKMAN

02-14-2006, 06:47 PM

TheMojoPin wrote: HBox, it's clear you and I arguing two completely different points.  I agree with everything you say...my point is that there IS inherent risk in printing these things, and there's no way you can root out of the source of the problem in anything even close to resembling an easy way.  It's going to take gradual change, and until then, people are just going to have make shitty choices when it comes to printing things like this.  Of course, papers can print these things...but until HUGE changes happen, it's going to be a risk and decisions will HAVE to be weighed, and responsibilities recognized.  It sucks, but that's the world right now.  There's absolutely no other way around it. EDIT:  i just wrote approx 10 lines of text and it never made it to my post <img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/furious.gif" border="0" />and i'm even madder at myself for not taking my own advice and doing a 'copy'...I was just agreeing with you Mojo on the point you were making in this post. I'll just say "freedom of speech/expression" isn't the end all. you have to be responsible for what you say and do. on 9/11 our news agencies were announcing what state and airport the president was landing at. in my mind totally unnecessary and irresponsible. the same thing with this illustration. too many times news people are trying to make an 'impression', or to be 'shocking', and become totally irresponsible. this illustration was irresponsible and totally unnecessary. the country's leaders should have apologized and forced the creators and publishers of the illustration to apologize... that would have been the responsible thing to do

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booster11373

02-15-2006, 05:01 AM

I wish there was this much anger and protest over the killing of innocent civilians by suicide bombers, car bombs, IED's even Coalition forces, Then I would feel at least there was some hope that the West and Islam could get a long.

Judge Smails

02-15-2006, 10:59 AM

These two guys have got BALLS:<a href="http://www.dailymotion.com/search/islamistes/video/46200">http://www.dailymotion.com/search/islamistes/video/46200</a>Quote: "Someone is provoking us!"

Knowledged_one

02-15-2006, 11:21 AM

So let me see we have had war declared against our zionist (what the f is a zionist, the only zion i know is iron lion zion by bob marley) lifestyles, fatwahs are being issued by the day and they are saying that we need to be wiped off of the map.  So since these people have thrown down the gauntlet on wanting things to be eliminated or cleansed.So with that being said.  And not saying i agree with what he did but should this question now be raised?Did Slobodan Milosivch have things right in getting rid of what he felt were the terrorist muslims out of his country and should his war crimes trial be stopped in light of recent events.

Death Metal Moe

02-15-2006, 11:31 AM

<img height="420" src="http://twiggs.org/images/763-raspberry-danish.jpg" width="544" border="0" />Take THAT Hassan!

furie

02-15-2006, 01:44 PM

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Death Metal Moe

02-15-2006, 02:07 PM

furie wrote: <img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v703/RushForum/113619.jpg" border="0" /> These guys are pissed too:<img height="584" src="http://www.bathory.se/00wallpapers/bathory_woods_wallpaper.jpg" width="565" border="0" />

TheMojoPin

02-15-2006, 07:14 PM

Random hypocritical thought of the day...throughout Europe, it's actually often illegal to print or even say claims of Holocaust denial (a stupid thing to argue, I agree)...yet blatanty racist and inflammatory attacks on the most scared figure in Islam is championed as a cause of "free speech?"That doesn't seem too fair.  If one group can be stupid freely, let the other join them.

TheMojoPin

02-15-2006, 07:15 PM

Or, to put it in a way that seems to drive people crazy...<img height="459" src="http://www.bendib.com/newones/2006/february/small/2-5-Denmark-cartoons.jpg" width="600" border="0" />

HBox

02-15-2006, 08:14 PM

TheMojoPin wrote: HBox wrote: TheMojoPin wrote: HBox,
I have a question for you in all seriousness...what is your take on the
idea that these "pests" are effectively harassing and intimidating
Ferrall just because of his opinions, and are essentially trying to
take that away from him by derailing his show as much as possible or,
as I imagine their best case scenario is in their heads, getting him to
quit or be fired?Obviously, I'm not directly equating this on or
anywhere near the same level of the protests over the political
cartoons, nor am I trying to pick a fight...I just see some distant and
not so distant parallels, and I'm curious as to what your opinion is. There's
no violence here, maybe some threats of violence. I'm not sure I
believe Ferrall's claims, but if true it's more than unacceptable. (And
I wouldn't be surprised if they were true, but I'm not taking Ferrall's
word for it anymore) As long as it's free speech vs. free speech, I
don't care. If the Muslim response to the cartoons was intense,
PEACEFUL protests, using their own voice to try and enforce change,
it's A-OK with me, even though I wouldn't agree with them. As
far as this war, I hope it ends soon. As much as Ferrall deserves it, I
was slamming my head aginst the wall listening to O&A today. I
could not believe how much time they spent on it. Ridiculous, and he's
certainly not worth it. It was only made barely listenable by Jimmy,
who seems to be the only one able to interject some humor into these
wars in the rare times he decides to join in. From O&A, it's just
unfunny rage. Interesting.Thanks for the honest response.Since this no longer has anything to do with the other thread, I pulled this over here.I would like to amend my response here. Considering the history of the paper, if there was a nonviolent Muslim response I probably would be on their side (Not that the paper had no right to publish the cartoons, but that they shouldn't have, which I admit is Bulldog's and Mojo's point). HOWEVER, the Muslim response changes everything with me. Unfortunately the need to defend free speech is the most with offensive, inflammatory speech. Considering the atmosphere of intimidation that already exists in Europe that is probably already censoring people, I see no alternative but to defend fervently the rights of this paper to print what they want. I feel no pride in defending something so offensive, but it must be done, IMO. I really do feel conflicted and even sometimes slightly confused with the situation, but in the end it comes down to one thing: I feel that no one should have to fear violence for what they express. And I mean this only on a grand scale. Obviously like anyone else I'd feel the urge to inflict violence on someone who said something personally offensive to me, or feel like people like neo-nazis deserve some sort of reprisal for what they spout. But actually making that stuff happen is another thing, and a large group of people using violent protests and threats is even more menacing. And I just don't want to give them any legitimacy, becuase under no circumstances does any cartoon make it legitimate. I probably got away from Mojo's and Bulldog's point again, but I hope that spiel illustrates why I can't bring myself to blame the paper. If you got through that, and understood what I was saying, congratulations.

TheMojoPin

02-15-2006, 08:27 PM

Oh, trust me, I get it and agree 100%.  I guess just having to back up free speech by defending idiots wears on you after a while...though, as it's often said, free speech is most challenged by people you hate, not those you agree with.  Consider this Danish rag to be the 2 Live Crew of newspapers.

mikeyboy

02-15-2006, 08:29 PM

TheMojoPin wrote: Consider this Danish rag to be the 2 Live Crew of newspapers. Excellent analogy.

Yerdaddy

02-16-2006, 03:37 AM

<a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060215/wl_nm/religion_cartoons_yemen_dc_1" target="_blank">Yemen charges three journalists over cartoons</a> SANAA (Reuters) - Yemeni authorities charged three journalists with denigrating Islam on Wednesday after closing their newspapers for republishing satirical cartoons of the Prophet Mohammad.  Prosecutors demanded the journalists be jailed for a year or pay a fine of 10,000 rials ($51.10) <div />That's what that fucker tried to pay me for a year too: $50! <div />They just don't get freedom of the press here. But at least it's cheap!

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badorties

02-16-2006, 11:53 AM

can't wait for tomorrow to get my morning coffee and "<a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060216/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iran_danish_pastries" target="_blank">Roses of the Prophet Muhammad</a>"

Bulldogcakes

02-16-2006, 01:05 PM

badorties wrote: can't wait for tomorrow to get my morning coffee and "<a target="_blank" href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060216/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iran_danish_pastries">Roses of the Prophet Muhammad</a>" Bakeries across the capital were covering up their ads for Danish
pastries Thursday after the confectioners' union ordered the name
change in retaliation for caricatures of the Muslim prophet published
in a Danish newspaper.
"Given the insults by Danish newspapers against the prophet, as of
now the name of Danish pastries will give way to 'Rose of Muhammad'
pastries," the union said in its order. The gift of stupidity that just keeps on giving. Are there any grown ups in this dispute?Answer-No. The grown ups aren't on either side of this.  <blockquote />

Hottub

02-17-2006, 08:35 AM

<a href="http://dailynews.att.net/cgi-bin/news?e=pub&dt=060217&cat=news&st=newsd8fqv798b&src=ap" target="_blank">$1,000.000 to kill the infidel!</a>

booster11373

02-17-2006, 08:48 AM

Hottub wrote: <a href="http://dailynews.att.net/cgi-bin/news?e=pub&dt=060217&cat=news&st=newsd8fqv798b&src=ap" target="_blank">$1,000.000 to kill the infidel!</a> What a great way to win valuable prizes, I smell gameshowQureshi said the mosque and his religious school would give $25,000 and a car, while a local jewelers' association would give another $1 millionThe only problem with this is it's Pakistani money and  Pakistani car

This message was edited by booster11373 on 2-17-06 @ 12:49 PM

A.J.

02-17-2006, 09:52 AM

A Pakistani cleric announced Friday a $1 million bounty for killing a cartoonist who drew Prophet Muhammad,Islam...a religion of peace and tolerance.

mendyweiss

02-17-2006, 12:03 PM

booster11373 wrote: Hottub wrote: <a href="http://dailynews.att.net/cgi-bin/news?e=pub&dt=060217&cat=news&st=newsd8fqv798b&src=ap" target="_blank">$1,000.000 to kill the infidel!</a> What a great way to win valuable prizes, I smell gameshowQureshi said the mosque and his religious school would give $25,000 and a car, while a local jewelers' association would give another $1 millionThe only problem with this is it's Pakistani money and  Pakistani carThis message was edited by booster11373 on 2-17-06 @ 12:49 PM I'd rathe take my chances wit $145 MILLION POWERBALL TONIGHT!!!!!

SinA

02-17-2006, 07:19 PM

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Bulldogcakes

02-18-2006, 03:56 PM

<a href="http://reuters.myway.com/article/20060219/2006-02-19T001954Z_01_L18607690_RTRIDST_0_NEWS-RELIGION-CARTOONS-DC.html" target="_self" title="Deadliest cartoon riots kill 16 in Nigeria">Deadliest cartoon riots kill 16 in Nigeria </a>
LAGOS (Reuters) - Deadly protests over cartoons of the
Prophet Mohammad spread in Africa, killing 16 people in Nigeria
on Saturday a day after claiming 11 lives in Libya.

Many of those who died in northern Nigeria were Christians,
killed after a Muslim protest over the cartoons turned violent
and rioters torched churches, shops and vehicles, police and
local officials said. I'm amazed this is still going, with no signs of stopping Can anyone say "Assasination of the Arch Duke of Ferdinand?"

JamMaster

02-18-2006, 04:00 PM

Bulldogcakes wrote: <a title="Deadliest cartoon riots kill 16 in Nigeria" href="http://reuters.myway.com/article/20060219/2006-02-19T001954Z_01_L18607690_RTRIDST_0_NEWS-RELIGION-CARTOONS-DC.html" target="_self">Deadliest cartoon riots kill 16 in Nigeria </a>  LAGOS (Reuters) - Deadly protests over cartoons of the Prophet Mohammad spread in Africa, killing 16 people in Nigeria on Saturday a day after claiming 11 lives in Libya.Many of those who died in northern Nigeria were Christians, killed after a Muslim protest over the cartoons turned violent and rioters torched churches, shops and vehicles, police and local officials said.  I'm amazed this is still going, with no signs of stopping Can anyone say "Assasination of the Arch Duke of Ferdinand?" I was just thinking the same thing.....I wouldnt be surprized if this brought about a major war.  Someone is going to kill the wrong person and all hell is going to break loose.

Bulldogcakes

02-18-2006, 04:39 PM

Bulldogcakes

02-19-2006, 03:00 PM

<a href="http://apnews.myway.com/article/20060219/D8FS99201.html" target="_self" title="Like the energizer bunny. . ">Like the energizer bunny. .  </a>Muslims Assault U.S. Embassy in Indonesia
JAKARTA,
Indonesia (AP) - Hundreds of Muslims protesting caricatures of the
Prophet Muhammad tried to storm the U.S. Embassy on Sunday, smashing
the windows of a guard post but failing to push through the gates.
Several people were injured.
Pakistani
security forces, meanwhile, sealed off the capital of Islamabad to
block a planned mass demonstration and fired tear gas and gunshots to
chase off protesters. In Turkey, tens of thousands gathered in Istanbul
chanting slogans against Denmark, Israel and the United States. <a href="http://apnews.myway.com/article/20060219/D8FS99201.html" target="_self" title="Like the energizer bunny. . "></a>

TheMojoPin

02-19-2006, 04:44 PM

So what the hell do these idiots see as any kind of outcome to this?  Do they expect someone to come up with a time machine and travel back to ensure the cartoons aren't ever printed?  Be so annoyingly determined and passionate over something productive, assholes.  I'm sick of trying to make excuses for people who go out of their way to be THIS stupid.

Recyclerz

02-19-2006, 08:59 PM

OK I'm late to the party here but I''ve read the entire thread & have these comments:Everybody go back and read AJ's & Yerdaddy's posts three or four pages in.As to the question of where they got the flags to burn, check out this story.  As one of my former bosses used to say "It's the rare ill wind that doesn't blow money into somebody's pocket."  <a href="http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/L06153755.htm">http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/L06153755.htm</a>It's my opinion, which was seconded by a recent New Republic story (which I can't link to but can copy and send to anybody who's interested),  that these riots are being largely stagemanaged by the more radical elements of the Islamist movement, largely to show the West in general, Bush's wooly-minded Neocons in particular, as well as the current leaders  of the Muslim world who cooperate with the West (ie. most of them) who has the pimp hand on the "Muslim street".  I'm sure almost all Muslims were offended by some of the cartoons, for the reasons AJ & Yerdaddy have laid out, but I doubt the masses have really risen as one to take on the West.  This is an attempt at a world wide intifada (sp?) that will probably last longer that anyone here is comfortable with but won't lead to the apocalyptic "Clash of Civilizations" that some of the Bell curve tail dwellers on both sides are hoping for.PS I apologize to anyone who posted this previously and I missed it but I didn't see anyone mention the fact that Europe's supposed crusade for unvarnished free speech is tempered by the fact it is illegal to publish any idiots spouting Holocaust denial garbage in most of the EU, which I think lead to W's doppelganger over in Tehran to announce his contest that Sheepy is hellbent on signing up for. <img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/wink.gif" border="0" />PPS  I thought that guy Adam of R&F last week did a great job of trying to explain the perception gap between the two cultures.

This message was edited by Recyclerz on 2-20-06 @ 1:02 AM

Sangreal

02-20-2006, 02:35 AM

<img src="http://pics.jp.metropol.dk/151/151564/151564_small.jpg" border="0" />Terrible, Mohammad will be furious. This link displays the moslim reaction:<a href="http://www.amin.org/%20cartoon/sabanah.html" target="_top">www.amin.org/ cartoon/sabanah.html</a><img src="http://www1.stratfor.com/images/managed/3/4974.jpg" border="0" />Freakin' sick stuff! Who said Hitler was wrong? (I know he did some bad stuff but still...)<img src="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/graphics/2006/02/04/ucartoon.jpg" border="0" />

sr71blackbird

02-20-2006, 05:45 AM

Why doesnt the rest of the world just "go nuts" on these people and this segment of this religion in particular and just wipe them out for once and for all?  Im know there are very good people among regular followers of Islam and these jerks dont "represent" the whole group and all that, but is there a point that people say "enough is enough"? I know it sounds harsh and cold and maybe a little ignorant, but do we really benefit from their existance?  Are we kind of hoping that some regular enlightened Muslims come up to us and whisper.. "Psst! Hey!  They are all hiding in that house over there...!" ?

sr71blackbird

02-20-2006, 07:38 AM

What pisses me off is now these "protestors" (mob) are torching churches too.  Why are these people mad?  Because an image of their prophet was created depicting him with an explosive hidden in his turbin? And they are mad that some see them and their religion as bringers of destruction and bloodshed in the world?  So to express this anger at this rediculous assumption, what do they do....?

This message was edited by sr71blackbird on 2-20-06 @ 11:39 AM

FUNKMAN

02-20-2006, 07:43 AM

i think one of the main fuels for this stuff is unemployment. people have too much time on their hands. if i take more than a few days off i have to have a doctors note...

cupcakelove

02-20-2006, 08:10 AM

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/02/20/cartoons.protests/index.htmlBRUSSELS, Belgium -- Iran's foreign
minister has called for an end to violent protests over cartoons of
Prophet Mohammed that have swept across the Muslim world after the
images were published in several European newspapers. You know this is a strange time when Iran has become a voice of reason.

booster11373

02-21-2006, 07:33 AM

Anti-Muslim Riot in Nigeria Turns Deadly <a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/nigeria_sectarian_violence" target="_self">http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/nigeria_sectarian_violence</a>The violence appeared to be in reprisal for anti-Christian violence Saturday in the mostly Muslim northern city of Maiduguri in which thousands of Muslims protesting caricatures of the Prophet Muhammad attacked Christians and burned churches, killing at least 18 people.How the fuck is the going to end?

Dougie Brootal

02-21-2006, 07:38 AM

cupcakelove wrote: http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/02/20/cartoons.protests/index.html BRUSSELS, Belgium -- Iran's foreign minister has called for an end to violent protests over cartoons of Prophet Mohammed that have swept across the Muslim world after the images were published in several European newspapers.    You know this is a strange time when Iran has become a voice of reason. theyre probly only doing that so we will back off of their nukes program and then theyll build a bomb and kill us

booster11373

02-21-2006, 07:52 AM

This kind of behavior is the reason why I don't want Iran to have nukes. Maybe it's a leap but I think they would throw one with little or no provocation.

A.J.

04-20-2006, 05:25 AM

This is a great <a href="http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/article358577.ece" target="_self">article </a>on Muslim hypocrisy.  Showing images of Muhammad: bad.  Destroying Islamic historical sites to prevent idolatry: good.

A.J.

02-13-2008, 05:50 AM

Oh shit. (http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe/02/13/denmark.cartoon/index.html)

This is NOT going to go over well.

Knowledged_one

02-13-2008, 05:54 AM

Oh shit. (http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe/02/13/denmark.cartoon/index.html)

This is NOT going to go over well.

These guys are loving to toe the line on this.

topless_mike

02-14-2008, 06:19 AM

what would happen if every country started to do this? i mean, not as an insult to islam, but more of a "fuck you- we will not be bullied" stance?

i mean, would the radicals of islam declared war against the entire world? i wouldnt take those odds, no matter how much hippo pushes them.

i mean, i saw the cartoons, and i didnt take any interest in them. but again, this is what happens when you become sheep and allow religion to run your life, not common sense.

Bellyfullasnot

02-14-2008, 06:25 AM

Maybe we could have a "very special" sunday comics section. The Lockhorns, Dagwood,and Peanuts could have a muslim themed topic.

keithy_19

02-14-2008, 10:34 AM

Maybe we could have a "very special" sunday comics section. The Lockhorns, Dagwood,and Peanuts could have a muslim themed topic.

Lockhorns: I can't believe you burned the falaffel. I'll stone you.

Dagwood: The boss sent me home dear. Apparently I'm not qualified enough to blow myself up.

Peanuts: Oh! So that's why snoopy has his dog house facing that way!

A.J.

02-14-2008, 10:39 AM

Peanuts: Oh! So that's why snoopy has his dog house facing that way!

OK -- that was a good one.

Trouble is that Muslims think dogs are unclean.

FUNKMAN

02-14-2008, 11:49 AM

OK -- that was a good one.

Trouble is that Muslims think dogs are unclean.

not many muslims in China I presume?

scottinnj

02-14-2008, 06:34 PM

A.J.

02-15-2008, 04:26 AM

not many muslims in China I presume?

Quite a few actually in the western part.

Not so many in Korea though.

NorfCal

02-18-2008, 12:28 PM

All you need to know about the hypocrisy of Islam is here-

www.thereligionofpeace.com

If I see one more idiot point to the Crusades of 1000 years ago to deflect the current issue of radical savages wanting to drag the world back to the 7th century....

TheMojoPin

02-18-2008, 12:58 PM

Wow, I guess nobody can argue against a one-sided site on the interwebs.

Best first post ever?

NorfCal

02-18-2008, 01:03 PM

Show me the other "side" with correct facts and figures.

:tongue:

TheMojoPin

02-18-2008, 01:20 PM

Show me the other "side" with correct facts and figures.

:tongue:

You do realize what can be accurately gleaned from the website you posted only paints the negative members of the religion poorly, right? So what would be the point of me presenting the positive stuff for the upteenth time when that good element has little to nothing to do with the stuff that you don't like and that site screams about?

People using a religion and its rhetoric for "bad" doesn't somehow magically negate the people who live it and use it positively.

NorfCal

02-18-2008, 01:48 PM

People using a religion and its rhetoric for "bad" doesn't somehow magically negate the people who live it and use it positively.

Fair enough, although I haven't seen much outcry from those "good" Muslims denouncing the reprehensible actions of the "bad" ones.

And as "one-sided" as that site appears to Muslims and their idiot apologists, it is well-researched and fact based. Yes, it has an agenda- to expose the truth about what Islam is and its true intentions. If anyone can show me something that accurately refutes what is published on that site I'll be more than happy to give it a fair evaluation.

TheMojoPin

02-18-2008, 01:57 PM

Fair enough, although I haven't seen much outcry from those "good" Muslims denouncing the reprehensible actions of the "bad" ones.

Surf around Muslim-centered threads in this forum and you'll see quite a few times when posters have refuted this complaint. The denouncements don't get much attention because they're not sensational. They're typically press releases or conferences deliered by calm, levelheaded people. Contrast that with the extremists, who are out there rioting or leading huge rallies packed with ugly an violent rhetoric that they're screaming at anyone who will listen. Which do you think is going to get much more attention? Google for Muslim organizations in the US and Europe and you'll see countless statements against this rhetoric and the actions people take in their name. You won't, however, see much coming out of the countries and regions that are hotbeds for the extremists. Why not? Because the non-extremist Muslims are just as afraid of the extremists of the rest of the world and typically are either trying to stay under the radar or leaving those regions.

Secondly, why should people who have chosen to remove themselves from those situations or have been raised to not follow that mindset have to do anything about those that live the dark side of Islam. If someone chooses to fight against it, fine, but expecting "normal" people to do more than just live their lives seems ridiculous. Why should they? Why do they need to justify their non-extremist existence to you?

And as "one-sided" as that site appears to Muslims and their idiot apologists, it is well-researched and fact based. Yes, it has an agenda- to expose the truth about what Islam is and its true intentions. If anyone can show me something that accurately refutes what is published on that site I'll be more than happy to give it a fair evaluation.

But that site isn't exposing anything about Islam as a whole. It's "exposing" the actions and rhetoric of the extremists. It's not applicable to the non-extremists at all. Why do you say the extremists are the only ones who can define the 2nd largest religion in the world? Why do the vast majority who are NOT extremists not count at all? Why should ayone refute the ugliness of the extremists? All the site is doing is reporting on the obvious and then broadly applying those stories to represent over a bllion people around the world.

NorfCal

02-18-2008, 02:31 PM

Secondly, why should people who have chosen to remove themselves from those situations or have been raised to not follow that mindset have to do anything about those that live the dark side of Islam. If someone chooses to fight against it, fine, but expecting "normal" people to do more than just live their lives seems ridiculous. Why should they? Why do they need to justify their non-extremist existence to you?

But that site isn't exposing anything about Islam as a whole. It's "exposing" the actions and rhetoric of the extremists. It's not applicable to the non-extremists at all. Why do you say the extremists are the only ones who can define the 2nd largest religion in the world? Why do the vast majority who are NOT extremists not count at all? Why should ayone refute the ugliness of the extremists? All the site is doing is reporting on the obvious and then broadly applying those stories to represent over a bllion people around the world.

I don't think you delved into that site much. Aside from accurately reporting Muslim atrocities they show the verses in the Koran that tell its followers to spread Islam and kill as many infidels (i.e. you, me and pretty much the rest of the world) along the way as they can. According to the Koran it's fine and fucking dandy to kill women for such unspeakable crimes as walking down the street with a man that is not her relative, wearing nail polish or exposing any sort of skin. That's a stonin', fully sanctioned by Mohammed and the Koran. Who is going to speak out about this? Nobody, since speaking out against the Koran is blasphemy. Allah says off with your head.

40% of the Muslim immigrants in the UK want Shia law. Because in the Koran, the religion and government must co-exist and be intertwined.

Trust me dude, I totally see your point and know that there are plenty of Muslims that don't agree with the fundamentalism. I know a few, and they all drink alcohol.

But let me ask you a question, which ratio do you think is higher:

Christians that think abortion bombers are assholes

or

Muslims that think suicide bombers are assholes?

TheMojoPin

02-18-2008, 02:48 PM

I don't think you delved into that site much. Aside from accurately reporting Muslim atrocities they show the verses in the Koran that tell its followers to spread Islam and kill as many infidels (i.e. you, me and pretty much the rest of the world) along the way as they can. According to the Koran it's fine and fucking dandy to kill women for such unspeakable crimes as walking down the street with a man that is not her relative, wearing nail polish or exposing any sort of skin. That's a stonin', fully sanctioned by Mohammed and the Koran. Who is going to speak out about this? Nobody, since speaking out against the Koran is blasphemy. Allah says off with your head.

Religions are all in the interpretation. You've got passages in the Bible that tell you to stone people left and right. You've got the Bibe condoning and basically encouraging slavery. Obviously, the general interpretations hae moved beyond that, but it's not like it wasn't there. Wih Islam, you clearly have a higher percentage of active extremits tha Christiaity, but again, it comes down to interpretation. You've got numerous different interpretations of the Koran and Islam out there, including millions of people that don't subscribe to the harsher versions. You've got entire sects that exist to contrast with that extremist version...what, do the Suffi not even exist? You and that site are trying to extrapolate the extremists as representing the entire religion. Why does that have to be the case? Why do you seemingly want to refuse to believe the non-extremists don't exist, even though they make up the majority of a massive religion?

40% of the Muslim immigrants in the UK want Shia law. Because in the Koran, the religion and government must co-exist and be intertwined.

There's numerous things wrong with this statement. First of all, the Telegraph poll you're talking about was incredibly distorted. The results actually said that 40 of Muslims in the UK polled that were aged 16-24 said they would like to see aspects of Sharia law adapted in the UK. 3/55 of that same age group polled, however, also said that they hae as much in common with non-Muslims as Muslims. Only 13% of that group actually expressed any kind of positive statements about groups like Al-Queda. Of the overall survey, 84% of everyone polled, all ages, said that they had been treated fairly by British society ad have as much or more in common with non-Muslims in the UK than Muslims abroad. With the younger group, only 209 people were polled, and the margin for error was as much as 7%.

Trust me dude, I totally see your point and know that there are plenty of Muslims that don't agree with the fundamentalism. I know a few, and they all drink alcohol.

Great. So why let extremists or websites trying to paint them all as extremists define their entire religion? Isn't that an unfai insult to them?

But let me ask you a question, which ratio do you think is higher:

Christians that think abortion bombers are assholes

or

Muslims that think suicide bombers are assholes?

I would assume Muslims, but I have a feeling it would end up being pretty relatively close.