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sr71blackbird

03-12-2006, 05:09 AM

It seems a popular passtime for the media to bash Bush.  I see Bush bashing going on all over the place, and I am wondering, what is the goal of bashing him?  Is the goal to make him look more idiotic to the rest of the observing world?  Does the fact that we do it to our own leader weaken the US in its effectiveness at our own security and national interests?  Doesnt it really make us, as citizens look like we are in fact the idiots for electing an idiot, if he is indeed an idiot?  Do you think its possible that bashing him can hurt us?  If we appeared to stand behind our leaders, would it seem to the rest of the world that our leadership is backed up by the whole country and could that help us win the battle with our enemys?

sr71blackbird

03-12-2006, 05:22 AM

I should have probably added that I do not necesarily support everything he does, indeed some of the things he does certianly does seem to me to be quite idiotic.  My point is how does it appear when it is broadcast to the rest of the world and its impact on others preceptions.  Im not saying anyone shouldnt be critical of their leaders when their leaders are in the wrong.

trackstand

03-12-2006, 06:12 AM

If we appeared to stand behind our leaders, would it seem to the rest of the world that our leadership is backed up by the whole country and could that help us win the battle with our enemys?OF COURSE NOT!!Doesnt it really make us, as citizens look like we are in fact the idiots for electing an idiot, if he is indeed an idiot?YES IT DOES!THE GUY IS A FUCKING MORON! WORST PRESIDENT EVER!i VOTED FOR MY CAT!

TheRealEddie

03-12-2006, 06:30 AM

Its not the media bashing him, its that the culminative
picture of Bush created by looking at the effects of his decisions
clearly shows that his presidency has been a series of cluster fucks.
This is a perfect application for "don't kill the messenger". In
the long run, I do not think that it weakens the US effectiveness
because giving the populace more information about what its gov't is
doing (right or wrong) allows them to make more informed decisions at
the polls. We get new leaders in office, and hopefully a more effective
gov't.I'm not sure how far you want to go with
"stand behind our leaders". This obviously is a very scary issue. Its
the gov't's actions that will determine how we win our battles, not the
appearance of the populace's support. Supporting the wrong policies
results in the gov't doing the wrong actions. History will judge us on
our ACTIONS and OUTCOMES not on our APPEARANCES. US
elections are incredibly complicated as there are many issues that are
on the table. Voting for Bush is often a vote on an issue not on his
intelligence. PS I cant remove the bold font for some reason...sorry. 

This message was edited by TheRealEddie on 3-12-06 @ 10:37 AM

Rodan

03-12-2006, 06:49 AM

sr71blackbird wrote: It
seems a popular passtime for the media to bash Bush. I see Bush bashing
going on all over the place, and I am wondering, what is the goal of
bashing him? Is the goal to make him look more idiotic to the rest of
the observing world? Does the fact that we do it to our own leader
weaken the US in its effectiveness at our own security and national
interests? Doesnt it really make us, as citizens look like we are
in fact the idiots for electing an idiot, if he is indeed an idiot? Do
you think its possible that bashing him can hurt us? If we
appeared to stand behind our leaders, would it seem to the rest of the
world that our leadership is backed up by the whole country and could
that help us win the battle with our enemys? "As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more
and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and
glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright
moron." — H. L. Mencken He
got elected by driving up the negative numbers in his opponents, not
raising his own. Sure you could not criticize him, but around the world
people would be able to figure it out. 
 

This message was edited by Rodan on 3-12-06 @ 10:50 AM

cupcakelove

03-12-2006, 07:35 AM

"To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that
we are to stand by the president right or wrong, is not only
unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American
public." -Theodore RooseveltIts already been said, but the public needs to be informed so we can make good decisions on election day.

trackstand

03-12-2006, 07:36 AM

I WAS WAITIN FOR THAT MENCKEN QUOTE.

Sheeplovr

03-12-2006, 08:42 AM

Do you think its possible that bashing him can hurt us?umm duhwe are idiots well not we but you are an idiot

Bulldogcakes

03-12-2006, 09:18 AM

trackstand wrote: I WAS WAITIN FOR THAT MENCKEN QUOTE. I love Mencken. Here's some more.No one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public. Those who can -- do. Those who can't -- teach. Injustice is relatively easy to bear; what stings is justice. 
Capitalism undoubtedly has certain boils and blotches upon it, but has
it as many as government? Has it as many as marriage? Has it as many as
religion? I doubt it. It is the only basic institution of modern man
that shows any genuine health and vigor.' ...the great artists
of the world are never Puritans, and seldom respectable. No virtuous
man--that is, virtuous in the Y.M.C.A. sense--has ever painted a
picture worth looking at, or written a symphony worth hearing, or a
book worth reading... Liberals have many tails and chase them all. A poet more than thirty years old is simply an overgrown child. Democracy is the art of running the circus from the monkey cage. The basic fact about human existence is not that it is a tragedy, but that it is a bore. A newspaper is a device for making the ignorant more ignorant and the crazy crazier. A cynic is a man who, when he smells flowers, looks around for a coffin. 
The New Deal began, like the Salvation Army, by promising to save
humanity. It ended, again like the Salvation Army, by running
flop-houses and disturbing the peace. For every complex problem, there is a solution that is simple, neat, and wrong. Misogynist - A man who hates women as much as women hate one another. Demagogue: One who preaches doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots. 
Sunday: A day given over by Americans to wishing that they themselves
were dead and in Heaven, and that their neighbors were dead and in Hell. Giving every man a vote has no more made men wise and free than Christianity has made them good.The
believing mind is externally impervious to evidence. The most that can
be accomplished with it is to induce it to substitute one delusion for
another. It rejects all overt evidence as wicked...Under
democracy one party always devotes its chief energies to trying to
prove that the other party is unfit to rule--and both commonly succeed,
and are right... The United States has never developed an aristocracy
really disinterested or an intelligentsia really intelligent. Its
history is simply a record of vacillations between two gangs of frauds.Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy.  

This message was edited by Bulldogcakes on 3-12-06 @ 1:21 PM