Bio Diesel

[Bulldogcakes]

<p><a title="Story" target="_self" href="http://www.sundaytimes.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,7034,18517991%255E2761,00.html"></a><a title="story" target="_self" href="http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,70430-0.html?tw=wn_index_1">Story</a><br /></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Bio-oil can be made from almost any organic material, including
agricultural and forest waste like corn stalks and scraps of bark.
Converting the raw biomass into bio-oil yields a product that is easy
to transport and can be processed into higher-value fuels and chemicals.</p>

<p>&quot;It is technically feasible to use biomass for the production of all
the materials that we currently produce from petroleum,&quot; said professor
Robert C. Brown, director of the <a href="http://www.biorenew.iastate.edu/">Office of Biorenewables Programs</a> at Iowa State University.</p><p>Though it competes with petroleum crude, bio-oil is very different
chemically. Instead of oxygen-free hydrocarbons, it contains
oxygen-rich substances. But bio-oil can be converted into a mixture of
carbon monoxide and hydrogen known as &quot;syngas.&quot; And syngas can, in
turn, be processed into a high-grade hydrocarbon fuel, such as
automotive diesel.</p>

<p>Alternatively, the syngas can be combined with steam to produce pure
hydrogen. In fact, Iowa State's Brown believes that bio-oil
gasification may be the most efficient means of producing large <a href="http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,69709,00.html">quantities of hydrogen</a>, should the element ever catch on as a major energy source.</p><p> </p><p>&nbsp;</p> <p>&nbsp;</p><a title="Story" target="_self" href="http://www.sundaytimes.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,7034,18517991%255E2761,00.html"></a>

<span class=post_edited>This message was edited by Bulldogcakes on 3-20-06 @ 7:54 PM</span>

[Gvac]

<p><a href="http://www.wnbiodiesel.com/" target="_self"><font size="3">Willie Nelson</font></a><font size="3"> has been hawking the stuff for a while now.&nbsp; </font></p><p><font size="3">I've heard both pros and cons about bio diesel, and I just wonder if it will ever truly catch on. &nbsp;</font> <br />
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[Bulldogcakes]

This is different. The stuff Willie Nelson's doing is a mix of Jet Fuel and Vegetable oil. This is a process where you can take anything (garbage, sawdust, etc) and turn it into top grade oil, which also seems less toxic than the natural crude oil. <br />

[TheGameHHH]

<p>Both Jack Johnson's and Dave Matthew's tour buses run on Bio Diesel. </p>

[torker]

<p>He goes both ways?&nbsp; Shocking!</p><p><img height="350" src="http://noticias.hispavista.com/imagenes/corazon/2005/04/06/a20050406115502.jpg" width="350" border="0" /></p>

[Snoogans]

im all for bio diesel, and anything else that saves money and helped the environment and energy situations<br />

[HBox]

Does this method solve the problem that most biodiesel faces: that it takes almost as much, or just as much energy to produce biodiesel as the fuel itself creates? And that energy has to come from somewhere else? And right now, that's petroleum.<br />

[sr71blackbird]

From what I hear, bio-diesel is only viable if it is stored in the mid-east<img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/smoke.gif" border="0" />

[booster11373]

<p>This sucker can trn anything into 1.21 Jigga watts</p><p><img height="570" src="http://www.sergioleone.net/dm-94.jpg" width="392" border="0" /></p>

[booster11373]

I typed Jigga, JIGGA

[pennington]

<strong>HBox</strong> wrote:<br /><font color="#000080"><font size="2">Does this method solve the problem that most biodiesel faces: that it takes almost as much, or just as much energy to produce biodiesel as the fuel itself creates? And that energy has to come from somewhere else? And right now, that's petroleum.</font></font><br /><p>Exactly.</p><p>Conspiracy theorists aside, as with all alternative fuel sources, once it becomes economically feasible to produce it, it will happen. </p>

[PapaBear]

<strong>TheGameHHH</strong> wrote:<br /><p>Both Jack Johnson's and Dave Matthew's tour buses run on Bio Diesel. </p><p>Too bad Dave Matthew's bus driver didn't have the sewage that was dropped on that tour boat, turned into Bio Fuel.</p>

[Bulldogcakes]

<p>&nbsp;</p><strong>HBox</strong> wrote:<br /><font color="Navy"><font size="2">Does this method solve the problem that most biodiesel faces: that it takes almost as much, or just as much energy to produce biodiesel as the fuel itself creates? And that energy has to come from somewhere else? And right now, that's petroleum.</font></font><br /><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Good question. Here's the answer. </p><p>Pyrolysis also produces a gas, which is burned to fuel the process&nbsp;</p><p>The gas produced as a by product of this method is used to fuel the process, so its a self contained unit. So the answer is no, unlike other fuels like Ethanol. &nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><blockquote /><p>&nbsp;</p>

[Bulldogcakes]

<p> </p><strong>pennington</strong> wrote:<p>Exactly.</p><p>Conspiracy theorists aside, as with all alternative fuel sources, once it becomes economically feasible to produce it, it will happen. </p><p> </p><p>It is happening</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p>Ensyn plans to open its <u><strong>seventh</strong></u> and largest bio-oil refinery this summer.<p>&nbsp;</p><p>All without an act of Congress or a speech by some empty suit in the White House. God bless capitalism. &nbsp;</p><blockquote /><p>&nbsp;</p><p> </p>

<span class=post_edited>This message was edited by Bulldogcakes on 3-21-06 @ 6:02 AM</span>