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LordJezo

03-21-2006, 04:28 AM

Sales tax goes up to 7%.Tax on shoes and clothes start.Property taxes go up.Extra tax on booze goes up.Okay, so maybe it won't go up at 1 PM but that's when he will be releasing the budget plan. Can't wait.  Corzine will be telling us all about it today during his conference.Everything will pass, too.  We here in NJ seem to love leaders who jack up taxes.<a href="http://news.google.com/news?sourceid=mozclient&ie=UTF-8&oe=utf-8&tab=wn&ncl=http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/03/21/AR2006032100230.html&hl=en" target="_self">Read all about it here. </a>

landarch

03-21-2006, 04:49 AM

Didn't he say he wasn't going to raise taxes?  What a pompous scumbag.

ShelleBink

03-21-2006, 05:12 AM

Taxes on clothing and shoes?  Too far, too far.

Doctor Manhattan

03-21-2006, 05:24 AM

<a href="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/viewmessages.cfm/forum/87/topic/49315">NJ taxes go up at 1 pm.</a> Just do all your shopping before Lunch and you'll save money.

INFOSTUD

03-21-2006, 06:06 AM

Bastards!!!  Now, they are taxing shoes and clothes.  Next up will be food!    I worked for the state for 5 years.  They have no problem whatsoever with spending your tax dollars.  The salaries that are earned in state-related jobs are obscene.  I saw people earning obscene salaries and these people did literally nothing.

Marc with a c

03-21-2006, 06:10 AM

<hr color="cococo" align="left">luvafroshows wrote: Didn't he say he wasn't going to raise taxes?ÿ What a pompous scumbag.<hr color="cococo" align="left">

This message was edited by evedder on 3-21-06 @ 10:11 AM

Death Metal Moe

03-21-2006, 06:11 AM

Like this fucktards don't have enough of my money?There's going to have to be a revolution in this country, seriously.  I cannot fucking stand how we just get taxed more and more, they do less and less with our money and I don't see anything getting better for me.I'm buying a gun.

INFOSTUD

03-21-2006, 06:18 AM

Moe:You're absolutely right!!! As if it's not bad enough that we get taxed at every turn--they spend our money irresponsibly and they are never accountable for their actions. The USA is probably five years away for riots/protests like they are currently having in France.Like many people, I work harder and longer--and get taxed more and more--and then get raped at the gasoline pump. When gasoline hits $3/gallon before Memorial Day, that's when the revolt will start. 

This message was edited by INFOSTUD on 3-21-06 @ 10:22 AM

KC2OSO

03-21-2006, 06:41 AM

NJ politicians have an electorate (booty-call) that never
complains.  In fact, we ask for a bigger reaming every election
year.Relax and enjoy it NJ, The more you struggle, the more it hurts.

HBox

03-21-2006, 07:17 AM

Property taxes go up.No they aren't. He's increasing rebates.This state is in a horrible financial mess. This stuff is neccessary. And it's not like he's just rasing taxes and then spending money like a madman.To cover the rebates and rising state expenses, the Corzine
administration says it needed to raise taxes and fees by $1.8 billion
and cut $2 billion from state spending.Corzine's biggest spending decisions, however, reverse years of shaky financial practices by his predecessors.
He wants to pay $735 million into the state's debt-plagued public
employee pension system, the largest payment by any governor in years.
Corzine also plans to repay $300 million to the Unemployment Insurance
Fund, money that had been raided to balance earlier budgets and put the
state in danger of being forced to raise payroll taxes.Still, the Corzine administration cut back. Nearly every department had
its budget reduced. The Department of Transportation and the Department
of State lead with nearly 17 percent of their budgets cut. Corzine's budget will call for job cuts through layoffs and
attrition of non-union employees, Abelow said. It reduces support
for state universities and colleges by $169 million to less than
$2 billion. Aid to cities and most schools will be little
changed, other than payments for employee pensions and increased
aid for building new schools in the state's poorest districts.Face it, this was going to happen. People wonder why President Bush cuts taxes and increases spending andraises our federal debt to ridiculous levels. Because when somebody tries to do the right thing, everybody flips out. This is the uncomfortable truth of the position this state is in. Whoever was Governor would do something similar. Unless they lived in denial, like Bush.

ShelleBink

03-21-2006, 07:25 AM

INFOSTUD wrote: Moe:You're absolutely right!!! As if it's not bad enough that we get taxed at every turn--they spend our money irresponsibly and they are never accountable for their actions. The USA is probably five years away for riots/protests like they are currently having in France.Like many people, I work harder and longer--and get taxed more and more--and then get raped at the gasoline pump. When gasoline hits $3/gallon before Memorial Day, that's when the revolt will start. 

This message was edited by INFOSTUD on 3-21-06 @ 10:22 AM  As much as I love a good riot, I doubt it would get to that point in the US ((I'm saying doubt, so in case it does happen, I can retract that statement later, its the American way)).  I'd rather move to a Socialist nation... like... Sweden. At least their tax dollars go to actually IMPROVING the way of life... and no one hates Sweden.

KC2OSO

03-21-2006, 07:40 AM

ShelleBink wrote:  I'd rather move to a
Socialist nation... like... Sweden. At least their tax dollars go to
actually IMPROVING the way of life... and no one hates Sweden.  
<hr width="100%" size="2" /> Sweden gave us ABBA and Ace of Base so which certainly helped me out.  With
the amount of wealth redistribution that goes on here, this pretty much
is a socialist state anyway.  We apparently just don't do it
right.

ShelleBink

03-21-2006, 07:45 AM

yea, its the wannabe dictator of a president that we have who fucks <strike>some of</strike> it up

Reephdweller

03-21-2006, 10:07 AM

<img height="250" src="http://mirrorimageorigin.collegepublisher.com/media/paper333/stills/7548vpxe.jpg" width="152" border="0" />Welcome to New York!

LordJezo

03-21-2006, 10:38 AM

<a target="_blank" href="http://www.newsday.com/news/local/wire/newjersey/ny-bc-nj--statebudget0321mar21,0,7992119.story?coll=ny-region-apnewjersey">The story</a>   Corzine during the somber address acknowledged that he would break two
campaign promises: to restore and expand property tax rebates and to
fully pay for state pension funds. His budget proposal includes money
to increase rebates only 10 percent over last year's reduced levels of
$1,200 for senior citizens and $300 to $350 for others. It also would
make a $1.1 billion pension contribution, which represents 70 percent
of the state's obligation.     Translation: I lied to get elected. Not like that is anything new, though.Also seems like clothing is still going to be exempt. At least we still have that. I like the way they are jacking up taxes and complaining about overspending and then decide to make the budget 3 billion higher than it was. <a target="_blank" href="http://www.newsday.com/news/local/wire/newjersey/ny-bc-nj--statebudget0321mar21,0,7992119.story?coll=ny-region-apnewjersey"></a>

This message was edited by LordJezo on 3-21-06 @ 2:39 PM

Sheeplovr

03-21-2006, 10:54 AM

Translation: I lied to get elected.no
he didn't lie  they are called promises cause they are promised
you can't do everything you promis you run on your plan you can't
always carry out your plan his plan was alot better then doug foresters 
go find something Dough forester woudl of done instead thendoug foresters budget plan would be oh black poor people eat my ass and rich white people im going to jack you off

LordJezo

03-21-2006, 11:00 AM

Sheeplovr wrote:  doug foresters budget plan would be oh black poor people eat my ass and rich white people im going to jack you off   Ah, the wonderful "Republicans hate black people" angle.Way to go.

Furtherman

03-21-2006, 11:02 AM

LordJezo wrote:  Sheeplovr wrote:  doug foresters budget plan would be oh black poor people eat my ass and rich white people im going to jack you off    Ah, the wonderful "Republicans hate black people" angle.Way to go. I think "they like to jerk off their rich, white friends" is a better angle.  Not used as much.

keithy_19

03-21-2006, 11:10 AM

Techniclly, I guess you could call breaking a campaign promise lyring. But, did any one really expect a politician to keep their promise in this day of age?

Death Metal Moe

03-21-2006, 11:11 AM

Sheeplovr wrote:  Translation: I lied to get elected.  no he didn't lie  they are called promises cause they are promised you can't do everything you promis you run on your plan you can't always carry out your plan his plan was alot better then doug foresters go find something Dough forester woudl of done instead thendoug foresters budget plan would be oh black poor people eat my ass and rich white people im going to jack you off  Yea I'm a little disappointed here Sheepy.  I know you're a smart guy but you go back to the oldest, worst Liberal stereotype arguments?  These are every hack comedian's opening points when they move into their "Political Jokes."Plus it seems like you're sticking up for Corzine's Tax increase.  You and your family don't pay enough taxes?

Recyclerz

03-21-2006, 11:58 AM

Although it is probably bad message board etiquette to quote yourself I'm doing it here and will keep doing it whenever I spot a thread blaming those "Tax & Spend Democrats" for decisions forced on them by their "Borrow & Spend Republicans" predecessors, particularly in NJ.  Here's what I said in January: Although I don't live in NJ and theoretically shouldn't care, I never like to miss an opportunity to throw Christie Todd Whitman, or at least her reputation, under the bus. Here's why: in 1997, faced with a budget shortfall caused by both her proposed tax cuts and big payments to the the public employees pension systems, she decided (rather than dropping the tax cuts or negotiating less generous contacts with the unions) that she was feeling lucky and borrowed like $2.5 billion at about 7.5% and then turned it over to her buds on Wall St. to invest. Her theory was that the stock market would earn enough to pay off the loans (and Wall St.'s fees) and also fully fund the pension system without having to raise taxes. It worked for two years, then not so much, and NJ's taxpayers have been making up for it ever since.I realize this isn't a Goldman Sachs message board so if what I wrote above doesn't mean anything to you think of it this way - she decided to earn her rent by using her credit cards to buy scratch-off lottery tickets. And this has been standard practice for the Borrow & Spend wing of the Republicans ever since. And what our buddy W has done on the national level for the past five years makes Whitman's antics look like stealing a candy bar from Wal-Mart in comparison.Should you care? if you're old enough or rich enough, probably not. You'll either be dead or can take care of yourself as the fiscal government shit hits the fan (taxes & interest rates up, money for schools, hospitals, roads down). If you're neither of those things you probably should care because it is your future and future prospects that are being pissed away.End of lecture.[/QUOTE]If you folks in NJ (or anywhere really) want the pressure for tax increases to abate, you have to expect fewer services and elect politicians who are willing to accept nasty political fights with municipal workers' unions (& possible strikes) as a cost of getting there.  Frankly, I think Corzine (like Bloomberg in NYC) represents the best chance to clean up the mess in NJ (to the extent it is fixable).  Both guys were extraordinarily successful in growing financial businesses to the point they became models for the market segments and made both themselves and their backers very rich.  If they use their talents in the same way in the public sector we'll see significant improvements.  Bloomberg has had some success already and I suspect Corzine will as well.  I'm willing to bet that both of them have dreams of being President in the intermediate future, so I think both are going to work pretty hard fixing their local books as further resume builders since the country as a whole is going to have to wake up from the Bush delirium and start fixing the national problems as well.End of second lecture.

LordJezo

03-21-2006, 01:18 PM

Fine. All that. Need higher taxes to fix the deficit. They why the fuck are they going to be spending 3 billion more dollars this year over last year?

keithy_19

03-21-2006, 01:21 PM

They why the fuck are they going to be spending 3 billion more dollars this year over last year?  Party hats and noise makers for everyone.

HBox

03-21-2006, 01:29 PM

They why the fuck are they going to be spending 3 billion more dollars this year over last year? Inflation, raises, etc. And making up for previous shortfalls in funding for the state pension fund.

Gvac

03-21-2006, 01:46 PM

Wouldn't it be wonderful if all the tax dollars collected went to helpful and necessary improvements for the citizens of the state?  I'm begging all of you: please don't be so naive and degenerate this into a "Republican vs. Democrat" argument.   The amount of wasteful spending on both sides is criminal, and if you don't think hundreds of thousands of taxpayer dollars are thrown to corporations and friends with no show jobs because your man is a member of a certain party, you are living in a fantasy world.

sr71blackbird

03-21-2006, 03:57 PM

Next theyll start putting tolls on the roads!  Whats next??