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Reephdweller

03-21-2006, 05:49 PM

So I got a new Razr phone about a month ago and decided to get a new bluetooth headset. I had one for my old phone though the battery didn't last nearly as long as the new ones and it was a little bit flaky, so I decided to look into getting a new one. The motorola bluetooth headset like the one pictured below goes for $70 and up in the stores. So I looked on ebay and found a guy selling the same headset brand new (so he said) for $30 on Buy It Now. Plus he had 100% positive feedback. <img height="218" src="http://www.handynow.de/handy-zubehoer-1/Mot-H500-gross.jpg" width="214" border="0" /> I ordered it and within a few days it showed up at my door. It indeed appeared to be brand new, so I opened it up and charged it. The next day when I was going to work I called in to the job on my way in (to mainly test it out), the first thing I heard from someone was "Oh man, I keep hearing myself, this is annoying!" I kept hearing this all day from people who I would call. Plus the sound was WAY low no matter how much I played with the volume. So there I was all frustrated. I got ripped off. I also noticed a small scratch in the headset that was bothering me as well. I came to the conclusion that the guy had actually opened it and found it to be a problem so he sold it on ebay and now I was stuck with it.I wished I could go and get a new one. I was pissed off. Suddenly my deceptive mind went to work. I decided to pull a sneaky sneak and go to a popular electronics and appliance chain who will remain nameless and buy another of the same exact headset. I got to the store took it off the shelf and rung it up. I got home and charged the headset. A few hours later after a complete charge I gave Amy a call. The sound was great from my end and she didn't head any echo feedback or anything. I called a few other people and no one complained either, in fact others told me I sounded very clear. With this information I proceeded to put the defective crappy headset in the packaging for the store bought headset. I went to the store and as soon as I walked in some security guy came over and was like "returning something?" I was like "yep", he slapped a sticker right over the area where the headset was...which was perfect since I was paranoid about them seeing that small scratch. I brought it to the return area and the guy gave me no trouble at all. I got my money back for the new headset and walked away with a brand new working well headset. In times of trouble I can always count on the sneaky sneak to help me out.<img height="94" src="http://www.stickerland.nl/images/0104539.jpg" width="87" border="0" />

Snoogans

03-21-2006, 05:52 PM

I have the blue tooth headset for the razr and its fine. No one has ever said it sounds bad and the only problem i've ever had is occasionally the phone and headset will disconnect

Reephdweller

03-21-2006, 06:11 PM

This isn't about the headset, but rather about my deceptive way that let me manipulate things to my favor. I've done this with other things as well and it always feels good to pull off.

JoeYaDeadHomey

03-21-2006, 07:43 PM

ive got one of the old logitech ones for my razr, i love it, only thing like you said is battery life. if you got the broke one off ebay, tell him you want a refund you might get it, your better option which happened to me a few times (people are VERY dumb and dont read complete descriptions..) email paypal, tell them you want a partial refund. works everytime. youll get something back. as for sticking it to the man @ a store. wooo. =-D

Reephdweller

03-21-2006, 07:54 PM

if you got the broke one off ebay, tell him you want a refund you might get it, your better option which happened to me a few times (people are VERY dumb and dont read complete descriptions..) email paypal, tell them you want a partial refund. works everytime. youll get something back.Sure I could have gotten a refund, but then I would have had to wait a few days for it to get back to him, and then wait a few more days for the credit to come back or he might even contest it, I might have even had to take it up with PayPal directly, I don't know. But I do know the place I bought the new one from has a liberal return policy and I'd instantly have a shiny new headset. Plus they gave me my money back right away. Go Best Bu....uh I mean anonymous electronic appliance store!

Death Metal Moe

03-21-2006, 07:56 PM

I thought "The Sneaky Sneak" was getting her drunk and stuffing it in her pooper.My mistake.

Reephdweller

03-21-2006, 07:57 PM

Death Metal Moe wrote: I thought "The Sneaky Sneak" was getting her drunk and stuffing it in her pooper.My mistake.No, that's the Freaky Sneak....sheesh! Get up on your lingo man!

suggums

03-21-2006, 08:05 PM

i love best buy

torker

03-22-2006, 03:45 AM

Death Metal Moe wrote: I thought "The Sneaky Sneak" was getting her drunk and stuffing it in her pooper.My mistake.The Stinky Pinky

Don Stugots

03-22-2006, 04:50 AM

Reef, you have to be my long lost brother.  i do this whenever possible.  My girlfriend gets mad, but laughs.  It works.  i just call it "workin' it" but the sneaky sneak is good to. 

Recyclerz

03-22-2006, 07:14 AM

Jeez, you people sound like you're qualified to be the domestic adivisor to the President! <img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/wink.gif" border="0" /><img height="324" src="http://www.ebar.com/images/articles/10_ClaudeAllen_11.jpg" width="255" border="0" />

Furtherman

03-22-2006, 07:41 AM

Reefdweller wrote:  <img height="218" src="http://www.handynow.de/handy-zubehoer-1/Mot-H500-gross.jpg" width="214" border="0" />  Brain cancer.

FUNKMAN

03-22-2006, 07:42 AM

i just remember my wife bringing shoes back that my daughters had worn to an occassion one time and they turned out to be uncomfortable...i'd bust her chops cause she's catholic and tell her to get to confession...

Snoogans

03-22-2006, 07:43 AM

i think about the brain cancer thing everytime its on my ear and im not using it. it makes a really low low level hum and eventually i get a headache

Reephdweller

03-22-2006, 01:45 PM

Brain cancer.Can't happen. I've built up my immunity to it.

Reephdweller

03-22-2006, 01:45 PM

Brain cancer.Can't happen. I've built up my immunity to it.

cougarjake13

03-22-2006, 01:57 PM

i've done the same thing many times with tools that i have bought at a shall remain nameless home improvement store and works every time, i had a cordless rechargeable drill that would never re charge after the first use, i tried to return it to get a new one but i didnt have a receipt so they wouldn't let me exchange it, so i did the old switcheroo, bought the new one, kept the receipt and switched drills and batteries, no questions asked 

Judge Smails

03-22-2006, 01:58 PM

FUNKMAN wrote: i just remember my wife bringing shoes back that my daughters had worn to an occassion one time and they turned out to be uncomfortable...i'd bust her chops cause she's catholic and tell her to get to confession...OK.  I'm really not proud of this but - my wife got me coat for Christmas once.  It was warm and comfy and I wore it every day that entire winter.  Then the zipper broke in the spring (I say its the manufacturer's fault for making a defective zipper).  By then there's no coats left in the stores, so I returned it for a full refund.  Am I going to hell?

sr71blackbird

03-22-2006, 02:00 PM

I do the sneaky sneak very often, in fact my wife perfected it!  She will buy something in one store and later on see it in another store cheaper and through some manipulation that I cannot fathom, will return the inexpensive one for the price of the expensive one.  I cant figure it out, but spend all my gas taking her too and fro.

FezPaul

03-22-2006, 02:05 PM

Reefdweller wrote: This isn't about the headset, but rather about my deceptive way that let me manipulate things to my favor. I've done this with other things as well and it always feels good to pull off.  Why does being dishonest make you feel good?

Reephdweller

03-22-2006, 02:27 PM

Why does being dishonest make you feel good?I feel good because I feel like dammning the man whenever I can.Plus there really is no God so I can just run amuck all I want at reckless abandon!

FezPaul

03-22-2006, 02:29 PM

Then you're no better than the guy who ripped you off.

Reephdweller

03-22-2006, 02:31 PM

What gave you that idea? Clearly, I'm openly gloating about it.

FezPaul

03-22-2006, 02:43 PM

Excatly, and the guy who suckered you probably boasted about it to his friends.

Reephdweller

03-22-2006, 02:46 PM

And now the nameless electronics retailer has to find a way to pawn it on to some other sucker. Welcome to the circle of life.

FezPaul

03-22-2006, 02:52 PM

How fashionably cynical of you. Must be a New York thing. Glad I live in the boonies.

sr71blackbird

03-22-2006, 02:59 PM

Since when is it morally correct to keep a defective item?  I fail to see the logic behind keeping it.  Its not like its "illegal" or 'immoral" to return someothing from a store you didnt buy it from.  Or am I missing something.  If I am, please explain...  And, I insisit on examples that clearly show it...not just stuff you "say"...  I thought we were adults here and over this childish notion of "corporate cunning".  Or, maybe I am missing something...?  If so, Id really enjoy seeing you try and explain this..  Im sure others will get a chuckle at the attempt to.   Vote for Bush!

This message was edited by sr71blackbird on 3-22-06 @ 7:01 PM

Reephdweller

03-22-2006, 02:59 PM

Yeah, but at least we don't fuck our kin out here

FezPaul

03-22-2006, 03:04 PM

sr71blackbird wrote: Since when is it morally correct to keep a defective item?  I fail to see the logic behind keeping it.  Its not like its "illegal" or 'immoral" to retorn someothing froma store you didnt buy it from.  My whole point is that reefdweller should have sought compensation from the guy who defrauded him, rather than doing the same thing to someone else.As for your vote for Bush comment, the current administration is being scandalized by the same type of dishonesty that reef is bragging about.So bush and reef have something in common.

This message was edited by FezPaul on 3-22-06 @ 7:12 PM

FezPaul

03-22-2006, 03:06 PM

Reefdweller wrote: Yeah, but at least we don't fuck our kin out here I live out west, we don't fuck our kin, we fuck sheep.

sr71blackbird

03-22-2006, 03:11 PM

Thats the crazyiest things i ever heard.  Whats the point?  Are you suggesting that he "keep" a defective item that he paid for in good faith?  How does that punish the seller to "teach him a lession"? Surely you dont think that Best Buy will not be contacting this seller, right?  I mean, if he keeps it, what lesson does Reeefdweller learn?  Not to buy on eBay??  Come on guy!

Reephdweller

03-22-2006, 03:12 PM

My whole point is that reefdweller should have sought compensation from the guy who defrauded him, rather than doing the same thing to someone else.  I explained this above and my reasoning for why I went the route that I did. I don't have the time nor the patience to contact the seller, wait for his reply, then days later send it back, then wait more days later for him to either deny me or refund me, or send me a new one? I could wait three weeks, or a day and a half. Maybe that;'s how you do things down at the ole' Hay market but here in modern town we think fast and we fix fast.

Hottub

03-22-2006, 03:14 PM

but here in modern town we think fast and we fix fast.  <img height="217" src="http://www-utenti.dsc.unibo.it/~grandini/ig/images/Mr-Wolf.jpg" width="217" border="0" />

FezPaul

03-22-2006, 03:16 PM

Okay, I understand it now, you were too busy to be honest.Please accept my apology.

sr71blackbird

03-22-2006, 03:17 PM

GROW UP!!

FezPaul

03-22-2006, 03:21 PM

Patience is a sign of maturity.If by GROW UP you mean exhibit the same morals as a politian.I'm afraid I'll have to pass.

sr71blackbird

03-22-2006, 03:25 PM

Im kidding you know...lol   Im having "insane night" at casa del blackbird. Generally though, if you tried to do the "right thing", you get screwed.  Im talking about 99.99999987 % of the time.  So Reefs method makes the most practical sence. At least in NY.

Reephdweller

03-22-2006, 03:27 PM

As for your vote for Bush comment, the current administration is being scandalized by the same type of dishonesty that reef is bragging about.So bush and reef have something in common.Whatever. Bush is a douche, I'm just someone who creatively solved my problem in a fast manner. Get off your high horse already.$80 headset for $30 and I don't even feel slighly guilty about it.

FezPaul

03-22-2006, 03:30 PM

We're all just expressing our opinions. I log on here because it's a lot of fun. Didn't mean to get too heavy.Seeya buddays.

sr71blackbird

03-22-2006, 03:32 PM

We are kidding, you know.  He's my brother. 

Reephdweller

03-22-2006, 03:32 PM

FP, I'm not being serious on you we're all having fun here are we not?

Hottub

03-22-2006, 03:35 PM

FP, I know exactly what you are saying. And you are morally correct. The sad truth in the world today is that it is every man for himself. In certain situations, doing the right thing is definitely the way to go. You found somebody's wallet, some poor old couple has a flat, you find a lost dog, etc.But when it comes to these shysters in the electronics racket, I think all bets are off. They price-gouge, sell refurbish as new, push a warranty on a $50 printer. It's all about the dollar. These sharks are ruthless! They will outright lie to your face. Pretend you don't know anything about a computer. Go into an electronics store. Tell them you want the one in the add for $500 and see if they don't have you up to a grand before they are done.

Reephdweller

03-22-2006, 03:44 PM

FP, I know exactly what you are saying. And you are morally correct. The sad truth in the world today is that it is every man for himself. In certain situations, doing the right thing is definitely the way to go. You found somebody's wallet, some poor old couple has a flat, you find a lost dog, etc.Hottub's 100% right, I mean I'm not a cold hearted bastard. If I found a lost dog or wallet (and I've found a few of both in my day) I'd definitely return it. I guess I'm selective about what I'm moral about. I know it's shitty but the reality. Sure many people don't do it, and I guess I could have gone the honest route, but ultimately what should happen will. It's defective and will go back to Motorola in the end as it should. So in this case I don't see the real problem with it. Granted I'm not a stealer, I don't go in stores and shoplift and I don't break into peoples houses, but I do believe in the ole' sneaky sneak or switcheroo for these types of things.

FUNKMAN

03-22-2006, 04:06 PM

he who is without sin webcast the first stone...

Hottub

03-22-2006, 04:10 PM

FUNKMAN wrote: he who is without sin webcast the first stone... <img height="245" src="http://americasoutback.typepad.com/blog/images/brilliant.jpg" width="350" border="0" />

mikeyboy

03-22-2006, 04:48 PM

To each his own, but I find the whole process kind of scummy. Reef gambled on buying from a non-established seller to get his headset for a cut-rate price. Unfortuunately it looks like he lost. Through the sneaky process he was able to exchange a defective item that was probably not eligible for return or warranty for a brand new item, in the process sticking it to Best Buy or the manufacturer. Rationalize it however you want, but I see it as stealing -- you took something from Best Buy without giving proper compensation. You can talk about sticking it to the faceless electronics giant, but it affects someone's bottom line. Ultimately, on a more widespread scale it goes into the cost of doing business and drives up prices for consumers. Sure, eating one headset isn't going to break Best Buy or Motorola, Reef's obviously not the only one who does this. In my mind, what woulf have been right would have been to take the problem up with the Ebay seller.

Death Metal Moe

03-22-2006, 06:10 PM

FezPaul

03-22-2006, 07:02 PM

FUNKMAN wrote: he who is without sin webcast the first stone... I never claimed to be without sin. I, like everyone else, have compromised my morals for the sake of convenience. Had reef said he felt badly about what he did, but saw no other solution to the problem, I would have understood. I think mikeyboy summed up my feelings on this matter best.check out the cool sig pic ynos77 made for me

Death Metal Moe

03-22-2006, 07:04 PM

<img height="240" src="http://home.teleport.com/~rasputin/ImageFiles/BeavisButthead.jpg" width="315" border="0" />"He Hmmm hehe heehe, sticking it to the faceless electronics giants is cool!"

Reephdweller

03-22-2006, 07:23 PM

<img height="208" src="http://www1.chapman.edu/~hoshi103/image/seinfeld/024_babu_angry.png" width="302" border="0" />You are a veddy veddy bad man!

FUNKMAN

03-22-2006, 07:40 PM

FezPaul wrote: FUNKMAN wrote: he who is without sin webcast the first stone... I never claimed to be without sin. I, like everyone else, have compromised my morals for the sake of convenience. Had reef said he felt badly about what he did, but saw no other solution to the problem, I would have understood. I think mikeyboy summed up my feelings on this matter best.check out the cool sig pic ynos77 made for meit was just a little jokey my friend...  cast - webcast  / old - new  /  biblical - technological<img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/smile.gif" border="0" />  i know you get it... i just figured with all the little misdeeds we do,  i was gonna make lite of it.... "Nothing but a party"....

FezPaul

03-22-2006, 07:53 PM

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f281/FezPaul/140e3cbc.jpg

WhistlePig

03-22-2006, 08:13 PM

mikeyboy wrote: To each his own, but I find the
whole process kind of scummy. Reef gambled on buying from a non-established
seller to get his headset for a cut-rate price. Unfortuunately it looks like he lost.
Through the sneaky process he was able to exchange a defective item that was
probably not eligible for return or warranty for a brand new item, in the process
sticking it to Best Buy or the manufacturer. Rationalize it however you want,
but I see it as stealing -- you took something from Best Buy without giving
proper compensation. You can talk about sticking it to the faceless electronics
giant, but it affects someone's bottom line. Ultimately, on a more widespread
scale it goes into the cost of doing business and drives up prices for consumers.
Sure, eating one headset isn't going to break Best Buy or Motorola, Reef's
obviously not the only one who does this. In my mind, what woulf have been
right would have been to take the problem up with the Ebay seller.


I agree with Mikeyboy. I've been ripped off on ebay, and if I didn't want to take
the problem up with the seller I ate the cost because I took the chance buying
it off ebay. Live and learn. I wouldn't stick someone else with my problem.
(Though I must say I have been tempted...)

PhishHead

03-23-2006, 03:18 AM

When i worked for staples, I am sure this happened alot to us, what happens is or at least at staples, was whenever someone brought in a defective product we would except the return, refund them or give them store credit, we then tried out the equipment and if was defective, we then shipped the package back because it was defective and our store was credited the money or given a new product, we never got screwed over by this, no one cared, the corporate HQ didnt care because they got the money back from the manufacturer or we got a new product so in the end you really arent screwing the man they dont really care.

curtoid

03-23-2006, 04:34 AM

In my stupid youth, I've absolutely done the same thing before, and I've been on the other end when i did part time work in retail. You can justify any way you want with cutesy sounding names, it's still stealing, regardless if the corporations care or don't care. At the very least it costs them the time to deal with someone else's problem, which ultimately might take away from something else that they should be doing.

Don Stugots

03-23-2006, 01:35 PM

here is an example of one i did a few weeks ago.

My girl pickek me up a new pair of work shoes, skechers, very nice and comfortable since i am on my feet alot during the day. that was a thursday. I wore them on friday. Friday night I get home and took off the shoes, I went to toss the trash in my slippers, and when I came back my puppy had chewed the left shoe. not too bad, but enough.

The next day, Saturday, I went to the store where she bought them, told the clerk that my girlfriend had bought these here 2 days ago, and when she gave them to me I opened them up and this is how they were. after a few minutes of shock, I left the store with a new pair and an apology. No fuss no muss.

Damn the Man.

sr71blackbird

03-23-2006, 01:54 PM

A head set CANNOT be resold because it was inside someone elses ear.  They have to accept it and have to send it back to be destroyed.  END OF DISCUSSION.  No one gets hurt, no one loses a DIME.  He gets what he wants with minimal aggrivation.  Technically it is a form of "stealing", but its on a level even lower than the copyrighted images we are all "stealing" in our sig-pics that we are not using with permission nor compensating back with royalties to the owners of these images.  Im sure you all have MP3s on your computers that you didnt pay for either as well...

mikeyboy

03-23-2006, 03:16 PM

sr71blackbird wrote: A head set CANNOT be resold because it was inside someone elses ear.  They have to accept it and have to send it back to be destroyed.  END OF DISCUSSION.  No one gets hurt, no one loses a DIME.  He gets what he wants with minimal aggrivation.  Technically it is a form of "stealing", but its on a level even lower than the copyrighted images we are all "stealing" in our sig-pics that we are not using with permission nor compensating back with royalties to the owners of these images.  Im sure you all have MP3s on your computers that you didnt pay for either as well... That's a little naive.  No gets hurt?  What about the manufacturer of the headset that has to take back a headset that they otherwise wouldn't have had to take back (for example because the warranty period was over or the item "fell off a truck").  They have to eat their cost of the item , which is likely manufacturing costs, shipping costs, and cost of return.  You're also assuming you know the return policy that Best Buy has negotiated with the manufacturer.  For all you know, their purchase contract allows for a certain percentage of returns (based on the likely percentage of defective items) and anything above and beyond is not returnable because it's attributed to this kind of theft that Best Buy has to eat.  Alternatively, for all you know, Best Buy is penalized for returns over and above a set amount calculated to be the average defective rate.  Regardless, someone loses out.  Honestly, I could care less what you and your brother do, and I'm not going to tell you what you should believe to be right or wrong, but if your justifying this kind of theft because "nobody loses", you're a little off base.Furthermore, I disagree with your justification that this type of stealing is on a level lower than unauthorized use of copyright images in sig pics.  Yes, that is stealing as well, but it's very difficult to assign a value to that kind of "stealing".  It is, however, fairly easy to put a value on "sneaky sneak" type stealing, because you can look at, at a minimum, the costs incurred by the parties who bear the brunt of the stealing.  It sounds like a pretty widespread thing, given that people feel that they can justify it as morally okay, and it's pretty difficult to get caught, so I wouldn't be surprised if you're looking at millions of dollars in losses incurred overall due to this little act.On another note, I think this whole thread is a work.  While Reef may very well have pulled this little maneuver, the two of you are laying on the justification pretty thick, and Reef has gone out of his way to say how pleased he is with himself.  It's as if the two of you got together and said "Let's see if we can get people outraged."

sr71blackbird

03-23-2006, 03:35 PM

Why, because he's my brother..?

mikeyboy

03-23-2006, 03:37 PM

sr71blackbird wrote: Why, because he's my brother..? Well, yeah.  Plus, like I said, you guys were laying it on pretty thick.

sr71blackbird

03-23-2006, 03:39 PM

I admit I was kind of joking a bit. But unless there is some kind of internal marker within the headset, to the store, it looks like he bought it a few days ago and is returning it..

mikeyboy

03-23-2006, 03:43 PM

sr71blackbird wrote: I admit I was kind of joking a bit. But unless there is some kind of internal marker within the headset, to the store, it looks like he bought it a few days ago and is returning it.. Well, yeah.  That's why it works -- but I thought we were discussing whether it hurt anyone, whether it was stealing, whether it was right, etc.

FUNKMAN

03-23-2006, 03:49 PM

all i got to say is if you ever open a chinese restaurant, never take an order for delivery to Reef's house... that's all i'm sayin'<img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/wink.gif" border="0" />

mikeyboy

03-23-2006, 03:49 PM

FUNKMAN wrote: all i got to say is if you ever open a chinese restaurant, never take an order for delivery to Reef's house... that's all i'm sayin'<img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/wink.gif" border="0" />or ag's house.

FUNKMAN

03-23-2006, 03:53 PM

mikeyboy wrote: FUNKMAN wrote: all i got to say is if you ever open a chinese restaurant, never take an order for delivery to Reef's house... that's all i'm sayin'<img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/wink.gif" border="0" />or ag's house.you're a funny guy...   <img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/tongue.gif" border="0" />    and, you 'get it'...

Reephdweller

03-23-2006, 04:16 PM

Well, yeah.  Plus, like I said, you guys were laying it on pretty thick. I guess there really is no such thing as kidding around. For the most part I was fooling around with Fez Paul on morality. I should have put the obligatory smiley face in my comments so you would know that. I guess when Ron Bennington talks about eating dead babies for snacks you take literal as well? I'm just using that as an example.Bottom line. I recognize that it's a form of stealing. I did it and don't regret it. I was having a little fun on the board by being overly gloatful but I guess the days when having fun on the board are over. Everything has to be serious except for a few people who are allowed to be jokesters. I've said it over many many threads, a good portion of what I do on the board is in a kidding fashion. Perhaps not a type of humor you like but it's still my type of humor and it's not meant to be mean spritied. It may seem serious but I like to have fun that way. One of these days you'll probably get thats my style.

Hottub

03-23-2006, 04:33 PM

Reef, I "got it" from the beginning of the thread. You pulled a smooth move, and you wanted to let us know! No problem, and kudos to you.However, when you throw it out there, there is most definitely going to be a morality backlash, and you should have known that going in. I am not here to play Pontius Pilate. To save you, or condemn you, just my 2 bucks!

Reephdweller

03-23-2006, 04:39 PM

Hottub I have no problem with the criticism, as I said I was having fun with Fez Paul. I didn't fight back when Mikey or Curtoid added their comments, and yes it was unfair to not do the same for FP so for that I'm sorry. Honestly I was just trying to having some fun with it.Fez Paul, I apologize.

mikeyboy

03-23-2006, 04:46 PM

Reefdweller wrote:  Well, yeah.  Plus, like I said, you guys were laying it on pretty thick.   I guess there really is no such thing as kidding around. For the most part I was fooling around with Fez Paul on morality. I should have put the obligatory smiley face in my comments so you would know that. I guess when Ron Bennington talks about eating dead babies for snacks you take literal as well? I'm just using that as an example.Bottom line. I recognize that it's a form of stealing. I did it and don't regret it. I was having a little fun on the board by being overly gloatful but I guess the days when having fun on the board are over. Everything has to be serious except for a few people who are allowed to be jokesters. I've said it over many many threads, a good portion of what I do on the board is in a kidding fashion. Perhaps not a type of humor you like but it's still my type of humor and it's not meant to be mean spritied. It may seem serious but I like to have fun that way. One of these days you'll probably get thats my style. Huh?  You missed my point completely.  My point was that you weren't really that serious about it and that it seemed that you were overdoing it a bit trying to get a reaction -- as you said yourself, you were "overly gloatful".  As for people taking thing's seriously, you have to recognize that when you bring up something like this, people are going to call you on it -- especially if it's in the supposedly serious "That's Life" forum.  People love to hash out questions of morality.  Nobody said you were mean-sprited, they just offered their opinions.  They are just opinions, and as long as they aren't attacking, they are more than welcome on this board.  There's no reason to get annoyed by it and chalk it up to the fact that you think I don't "get" you.

mikeyboy

03-23-2006, 04:50 PM

...and really, no one condemned or attacked you for what you did.  Some people just offered their own views as to whether it was morally right, stealing, and/or hurting anyone.

Death Metal Moe

03-23-2006, 06:12 PM

YES it is stealing and YES I'd do it if I needed to.

bobrobot

03-23-2006, 06:18 PM

or hurting anyoneI shot a man in Reno, just to watch him die...<img title="johnny cash" height="354" alt="johnny cash" src="http://www.nrk.no/img/309004.jpeg" width="460" border="0" />

FUNKMAN

03-23-2006, 09:19 PM

bobogolem wrote:  or hurting anyone  I shot a man in Reno, just to watch him die...<img title="johnny cash" height="354" alt="johnny cash" src="http://www.nrk.no/img/309004.jpeg" width="460" border="0" />i had a friend who told another friend he was 'near the ground' when he was climbing down a fire hose out of a 2nd story window of an abandoned armory, and when the 'other' friend jumped from the 1st story window and broke his leg.do you know what my friend did to the other friend as he laid there with a broken leg?he pissed on him....why did i get all the wierd friends?

jax

03-24-2006, 09:14 AM

I've been on both sides of this.  I have done the old swaperoo on an mp3 player the crapped out after one week.  And I've bought my son a star wars lego set where someone had removed the little guys and returned it.  Also bought a lightsaber that was supposed to light up and make sounds but someone returned with a cheaper non-electric one.  LOL  I spent 15 min trying to twist it open to put the battery in.  When I brought it back to the store, even though I hadn't done anything wrong, I felt very selfconsious.

SinA

03-24-2006, 09:26 AM

jax wrote: I've been on both sides of this.  I have done the old swaperoo on an mp3 player the crapped out after one week.  And I've bought my son a star wars lego set where someone had removed the little guys and returned it.  Also bought a lightsaber that was supposed to light up and make sounds but someone returned with a cheaper non-electric one.  LOL  I spent 15 min trying to twist it open to put the battery in.  When I brought it back to the store, even though I hadn't done anything wrong, I felt very selfconsious.Similar situation:  I ordered a CD from Bestbuy online because i got a gift-card for christmas, and it came in the mail with no CD in the case.  it even had the plastic wrapper on it, but the CD (actually one of two discs) was missing.I took it into the store for an exchange, and i could tell they thought i was full of shit.  i probably wouldn't believe me either if i didn't know.  I was totally ready to shoot out "ARE YOU CALLING ME A LIAR?!" like in clerks, but they didn't give me any problems.  that line is gold, though.  people strangely back down when you accuse them of calling you a liar and act really offended.  i guess everyone knows what it's like to be telling the truth when someone doesn't believe you, so they don't want to be on the other end. -

This message was edited by SinA on 3-24-06 @ 1:28 PM

UnknownPD

03-24-2006, 09:36 AM

This isn't about the headset, but rather about my deceptive way that let me manipulate things to my favor. I've done this with other things as well and it always feels good to pull off.  What I find funny is if reef were ripped off like the store he stole from he'd be screaming how unfair it is. Guys who are willing to screw and justify are the same guys that get indignant when the tables are turned

This message was edited by UnknownPD on 3-24-06 @ 1:43 PM

Reephdweller

03-24-2006, 09:55 AM

Reef needs to be shot!<img height="225" src="http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a45/JLehane/applause.gif" width="300" border="0" />

Reephdweller

03-24-2006, 01:01 PM

I realize in hindsight that my original intention to making this thread was lost. I wanted to make a "damn the man" kind of thread if you will, where people would post about things or confessions if you will where you admit to doing something that was wrong whether it was running a red light or stealing, or getting someone to sleep with you. Basically a confess your sins kind of thread, where we'd have fun with it. Though looking it over I didn't do it quite right.There have been threads about shoplifting etc on the board in the past, I only did it in this sense of posting for fun. I also should have put it in the confessional. I had no idea people would take it so seriously. I apologize again. I suck.

This message was edited by Reefdweller on 3-24-06 @ 5:02 PM