Islam - SUCKS!

[Judge Smails]

<p>Yeah that's right I said it. Big whoop. So what, you want to fight about it?</p><p>Remember the people that were so outraged by our insensitive cartoon depictions of Mohammed that they killed hundreds of people and burned down lord knows how many buildings?&nbsp; Well look at this:</p><p>See this guy?</p><p><a href="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/editmessage.cfm/Forum/87/Topic/49329/Message/*commonPopup('/news/newsPhotoPresentation.aspx?type=worldNews&imageID=2006-03-21T160658Z_01_L21521169_RTRUKOP_0_PICTURE0.xml', 540, 525, 1)"><img class="medPicBorderOn" onmouseover="this.className='medPicBorderOn';" onmouseout="this.className='medPicBorder';" src="http://i.today.reuters.co.uk/misc/genImage.aspx?uri=2006-03-21T160658Z_01_L21521169_RTRUKOP_2_PICTURE0.jpg&resize=other" border="0" /></a></p><p>He's been sentenced to death.&nbsp; You know what his crime is?&nbsp; He converted to Christianity.</p><p>Here's the fucked up story: <a href="http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=worldNews&storyID=2006-03-21T215643Z_01_L21521169_RTRUKOC_0_UK-RELIGION-AFGHAN-ITALY.xml&archived=False">http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=worldNews&amp;storyID=2006-03-21T215643Z_01_L21521169_RTRUKOC_0_UK-RELIGION-AFGHAN-ITALY.xml&amp;archived=False</a></p><p>This is all happening in Afghanistan; the same place we supposedly freed from the fucking crazy Taleban.</p><p>I'm as tolerant as the next guy but its shit like this that makes me want to quote Kurtz from Heart of Darkness: &quot;Exterminate all the brutes . . . The horror.&nbsp; The horror.&quot;</p>

<span class=post_edited>This message was edited by judge_smails on 3-21-06 @ 10:36 PM</span>

[Reephdweller]

<p>Aaand boom goes the dynamite!</p><p><img height="294" src="http://wizbangblog.com/images/2005/briancollins.jpg" width="269" border="0" /></p>

[nevnut]

Nuke the whole fuckin' region and let someone else sort it out in 20,000 yrs.

[FUNKMAN]

<p><strong><font size="1">Islam - SUCKS!</font></strong> </p><p>they need the money...</p>

[FUNKMAN]

<p><strong><font size="1">Islam - SUCKS!</font></strong> </p><p>so does Vito...</p>

[Gvac]

Of all the major organized religions, Islam certainly does seem the most antiquated and intolerant.&nbsp; I just have absolutely no idea what the solution is to stopping the spread of their hatred and insanity.&nbsp; <br />

[Yerdaddy]

<strong>Gvac</strong> wrote:<br />Of all the major organized religions, Islam certainly does seem the most antiquated and intolerant.&nbsp; I just have absolutely no idea what the solution is to stopping the spread of their hatred and insanity.&nbsp; <br /><p>Let me defy expectations here and say that Islam does stink, and it stinks more than other religions. The reasons, however are more related to culture and history. There was a time when the west was violent and backwards and the Muslim world was the leader of learning and civilization. The fact that the tables have turned is one of the many reasons the Muslim world is drawn to fundamentalism now. </p><p>The solution is, in a word, logic. I've been arguing with Muslims on every issue you can imagine - America, Islam, evolution, whether Israel flies its jets to Yemen to spray the qat with drugs that would make Yemenis steril (they would be doing them a favor) - and while thinking in a place like Yemen is guided primarily by religion, basic logic can usually shut up the crazy talk. It usually does'nt change minds - it doesn't in America either - but I know it has an impact on the way the person thinks about things. Trust me, I know this for a fact. It's the reason you have so many different levels of intellectual culture across the Muslim world: Syria, Iran, Egypt, Lebanon, The UAE, Oman, Pakistan, Iraq, and other Muslim countries have long traditions of rational, secular thinking in certain segments of their populations. </p><p>Secular rational thought is gaining ground in this part of the world (at the same time it is losing ground in our part). In Yemen and other deeply conservative and poor countries it comes in as &quot;development&quot;, which, after Islam and qat is the most important public concept in Yemen. Yemen is opening up to the influence of the west. This causes some to retreat back into religion, and others to accept the benefits and fight to get more. Like everything in life, it's a mixed bag. </p><p>You can't make 1.2 billion people go away. America is not going to commit genocide. And asking for this, or saying that's the solution, is a worse than worthless. We have to support moderates - still the majority, even in Yemen - against the extremists. It's that simple. And we have to act rationally as well. The spurious case for&nbsp;war in Iraq, Abu Ghraib, secret detentions, Guantanamo, the failure to commit the resources to Afghanistan and capturing Bin Laden, all of these make America look as dishonest, hateful, and undemocratic as the fucked up regimes of this region. Because they are blatant contradictions to what we say we want to bring to the middle east. These policies have hurt us in ways that, even if Iraq were to suddenly become a functioning democracy tomorrow, we would still be worse off than before in the war on terrorism. </p><p>Also, I can't open the original article, but I'm going to guess that this guy will not be put to death. Afghan leadership will see the damage it will do to the country in the eyes of the world and make sure it never happens. Rational thought vs. religious extremism. It's an ongoing process and it will work in the long run if we actually understand it and put it to use instead of reverting to the same ignorant hatred we piss and moan about. </p><p>I hate my stupid little speeches. I'm going back to subverting Yemeni porn filters. </p>

[A.J.]

<p>The spurious case for&nbsp;war in Iraq, Abu Ghraib, secret detentions, Guantanamo, the failure to commit the resources to Afghanistan and capturing Bin Laden, all of these make America look as dishonest, hateful, and undemocratic as the fucked up regimes of this region.</p><p>And don't forget our support of Israel.</p><p>Yerdaddy's comments were right on the mark.&nbsp; Having lived in the Middle East as well, I agree that it's really cultural traditions that affect Islamic society&nbsp;more than anything else.&nbsp; Let me give you a couple&nbsp;of&nbsp;examples.&nbsp; First is the issue of women drivers.&nbsp; There is nothing in the Quran that forbids women drivers.&nbsp; Rather, it is the cultural tradition that women be accompanied by male family members that prevents this from happening.&nbsp; Also, TV was once forbidden because it projected &quot;graven images&quot;.&nbsp; Yet when it was suggested that Quranic recitations could be broadcast to a wide audience, it became &quot;acceptable&quot;.</p><p>Consider the Catholic/Christian tradition:&nbsp;priests having to remain celibate/unmarried, no meat on Fridays, not being able to receive communion without having gone to confession... These are not requirements laid out in the Bible -- they are part of culture and tradtion.</p>

[cupcakelove]

I'm not really seeing anything in Islam that hasn't happened in
Christianity also.&nbsp; I've never been to the middle east but I did
have several Muslim friends growing up.&nbsp; Besides them fasting
during Ramadan, I never really noticed a difference between me and
them.&nbsp; I'm going to agree with a few of the other posts by saying
that it seems to me the problems come from some of the cultures in the
middle east, not the religion.<br />

[EliSnow]

<strong>Yerdaddy</strong> wrote: <p>Let me defy expectations here and say that Islam does stink, and it stinks more than other religions. The reasons, however are more related to culture and history. There was a time when the west was violent and backwards and the Muslim world was the leader of learning and civilization.&nbsp; </p><p><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif" size="3">I made a similar comment to my wife last weekend.&nbsp;&nbsp;The problem isn't Islam in and of itself.&nbsp;&nbsp; If you took 13th century Christan Europe, and&nbsp;had it now, with all of the technology, weapons, etc., they would very similar to a number of the fundamentalist Islamic areas.&nbsp; </font></p><p><font face="Arial" size="3">As Yerdaddy said, it's the strict adhesion to a belief that if another person is not part of your religion, they are heretics and either must convert or die that's the problem.&nbsp; Christians once had the same belief (some may still do).&nbsp; If we can get past such types of beliefs, and try to have logical, rational discussions, things would be better. </font></p><p><font face="Arial" size="3">And I do believe that there are a number of people like that in the Middle East.&nbsp; It's just that you have a very vocal portion that had their strict, intolerant beliefs.&nbsp; They make the most noise and are the most visible portion.</font></p>

[Dougie Brootal]

<strong>Gvac</strong> wrote:<br />Of all the major organized religions, Islam certainly does seem the most antiquated and intolerant.&nbsp; I just have absolutely no idea what the solution is to stopping the spread of their hatred and insanity.&nbsp; <br /><p>&nbsp;</p><p><span class="post_edited"><img src="http://www.catholic-church.org/grace/social/atom-bomb.gif" border="0" /></span></p>

<span class=post_edited>This message was edited by douggrasso on 3-22-06 @ 10:33 AM</span>

[TheMojoPin]

<p>I know I'm a fan of the guy's posts on the board, but I was really and honestly floored by&nbsp;Yerdaddy's post here.&nbsp; I don't think anyone could possibly have talked this out more clear or levelheaded or just...shit, just right.&nbsp; Alright, I 'll get off my knees now...</p><p>And Christ, does anyone think posting nuke pics like that is still even remotely funny?&nbsp; Even before you thought of it, it's been done quite possibly literally a trillion times before.</p>

[mendyweiss]

<strong>Yerdaddy</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>Gvac</strong> wrote:<br />Of all the major organized religions, Islam certainly does seem the most antiquated and intolerant.&nbsp; I just have absolutely no idea what the solution is to stopping the spread of their hatred and insanity.&nbsp; <br /><p>Let me defy expectations here and say that Islam does stink, and it stinks more than other religions. The reasons, however are more related to culture and history. There was a time when the west was violent and backwards and the Muslim world was the leader of learning and civilization. The fact that the tables have turned is one of the many reasons the Muslim world is drawn to fundamentalism now. </p><p>The solution is, in a word, logic. I've been arguing with Muslims on every issue you can imagine - America, Islam, evolution, whether Israel flies its jets to Yemen to spray the qat with drugs that would make Yemenis steril (they would be doing them a favor) - and while thinking in a place like Yemen is guided primarily by religion, basic logic can usually shut up the crazy talk. It usually does'nt change minds - it doesn't in America either - but I know it has an impact on the way the person thinks about things. Trust me, I know this for a fact. It's the reason you have so many different levels of intellectual culture across the Muslim world: Syria, Iran, Egypt, Lebanon, The UAE, Oman, Pakistan, Iraq, and other Muslim countries have long traditions of rational, secular thinking in certain segments of their populations. </p><p>Secular rational thought is gaining ground in this part of the world (at the same time it is losing ground in our part). In Yemen and other deeply conservative and poor countries it comes in as &quot;development&quot;, which, after Islam and qat is the most important public concept in Yemen. Yemen is opening up to the influence of the west. This causes some to retreat back into religion, and others to accept the benefits and fight to get more. Like everything in life, it's a mixed bag. </p><p>You can't make 1.2 billion people go away. America is not going to commit genocide. And asking for this, or saying that's the solution, is a worse than worthless. We have to support moderates - still the majority, even in Yemen - against the extremists. It's that simple. And we have to act rationally as well. The spurious case for&nbsp;war in Iraq, Abu Ghraib, secret detentions, Guantanamo, the failure to commit the resources to Afghanistan and capturing Bin Laden, all of these make America look as dishonest, hateful, and undemocratic as the fucked up regimes of this region. Because they are blatant contradictions to what we say we want to bring to the middle east. These policies have hurt us in ways that, even if Iraq were to suddenly become a functioning democracy tomorrow, we would still be worse off than before in the war on terrorism. </p><p>Also, I can't open the original article, but I'm going to guess that this guy will not be put to death. Afghan leadership will see the damage it will do to the country in the eyes of the world and make sure it never happens. Rational thought vs. religious extremism. It's an ongoing process and it will work in the long run if we actually understand it and put it to use instead of reverting to the same ignorant hatred we piss and moan about. </p><p>I hate my stupid little speeches. I'm going back to subverting Yemeni porn filters. </p><p>Yerdaddy, If they catch you in Yemen visiting the Internet cafe, viewing the 'I love Ass&quot; thread. can't they cut off your head ? Be careful!</p>

[EliSnow]

<strong>TheMojoPin</strong> wrote:<br /><p>I know I'm a fan of the guy's posts on the board, but I was really and honestly floored by&nbsp;Yerdaddy's post here.&nbsp; I don't think anyone could possibly have talked this out more clear or levelheaded or just...shit, just right.&nbsp; Alright, I 'll get off my knees now...</p><p><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif" size="3">Remember to wipe your mouth and gargle with Listerine.&nbsp; </font></p>

[A.J.]

<strong>mendyweiss</strong> wrote:<br /><p>Yerdaddy, If they catch you in Yemen visiting the Internet cafe, viewing the 'I love Ass&quot; thread. can't they cut off your head ? Be careful!</p><p>Nah, but he'd probably get a few lashes.&nbsp; For some, that would be a reward rather than a punishment.</p>

[Dougie Brootal]

<strong>TheMojoPin</strong> wrote:<br /><p>And Christ, does anyone think posting nuke pics like that is still even remotely funny?&nbsp; Even before you thought of it, it's been done quite possibly literally a trillion times before.</p><p><img height="450" src="http://www.johnberman.com/pics/funny/bush_middle_finger.jpg" width="345" border="0" /></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>just kidding mojo, i know its played out. i just dont really care.</p>

[Doctor Manhattan]

<strong><font color="#000066">The next person to tell me Islam is a religion of peace will get their ass kicked.</font></strong>

[Dirtybird12]

<p>George bush is the terrorist</p><p>america is the bully</p><p>the world sees it - we are hated by most everyone outside of the US</p><p>no fucking wonder iran wants nukes.&nbsp; can you blame them?</p><p>fuck america. </p><p>until we the people get of our asses and remove this monster -who has made everything worse since taking office, &nbsp;i say fuck america and all its money worshiping secret keeping lying ass stands for.</p>

<span class=post_edited>This message was edited by CircusFreak on 3-22-06 @ 12:37 PM</span>

[FUNKMAN]

fuck Islam! let's worry about our own problems... 20 million people living in poverty, infrastructure, health care, corporate corruption, overcrowded schools, elderly with no medicine or proper care, political corruption...

[Furtherman]

*Insert any religion here* - SUCKS!

[coffeeal401]

<strong>FUNKMAN</strong> wrote:<br /><p>&nbsp;</p><strong><font size="1">Islam - SUCKS!</font></strong> <p>&nbsp;</p><p>so does Vito...</p><p>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I got that one bro, fat fuckthat he is. </p>

[curtoid]

Just want to echo Mojo's comments about 'daddy's post - really quite brilliant, actually. Glad to see that on this board.

[booster11373]

<p>I agree with comparison of ancient Christianity to Modern Islam in the above post's BUT!!!!</p><p>Unfortunately we cant wait for a thousand years so most of these people get on the same page as us.</p><p>If ancient christians had nuclear weapons during the crusades I'm sure they would have used them against there enemies.</p><p>A lot of these Muslims look at the west as enemies and the rest are apathetic at best towards the west.</p><p>Modern technology plus backwards religious ideology will only lead to violence</p>

[Recyclerz]

<p>The latest news blurb:</p><font size="2"><p><a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11973510/from/RS.3/">http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11973510/from/RS.3/</a></p><p><font size="1">Some writer at AP has a great deadpan sense of humor.&nbsp; Here's the money quote</font></p><p></p><p><font style="background-color: #ffffff" color="#6633ff" size="1"><strong><em>&quot;He is not mad. The government are playing games. The people will not be fooled,&quot; said Abdul Raoulf, cleric at Herati Mosque. &quot;This is humiliating for Islam. ... Cut off his head.&quot;</em></strong></font></p><p><font style="background-color: #ffffff" color="#6633ff" size="1"><strong><em>Raoulf is considered a moderate cleric in Afghanistan. ...</em></strong></font></p><p></p></font>

[curtoid]

<strong>booster11373</strong> wrote:<br /><p>I agree with comparison of ancient Christianity to Modern Islam in the above post's BUT!!!!</p><p>Ahhh, but you see in a thousand years the pendulum will swing back and Christian Americans&nbsp;will&nbsp;return to being&nbsp;the backwards ones agains, and the Middle East will be ruled by secularists who will bear no simularity to the rulers of today. </p><p><img height="166" src="http://www2.math.uic.edu/~jan/mcs494f02/Lec22/images/pendulum22.gif" width="204" border="0" /></p><p>Hell - maybe sooner, on the first part at least. Our doctine based conservative laws and paranoid handwringing over gays, abortion and capital punishment already put us more in their company than most other Christian nations. </p>

[booster11373]

<p>Agreed!!!!</p><p>Conservative Christians Have so much in common with the Taliban and Saudis with respect to some of there views.</p>

[sr71blackbird]

I wonder what it would take for a unification of all religions so that the whole planets on the same page?&nbsp;

[EliSnow]

<strong>sr71blackbird</strong> wrote:<br />I wonder what it would take for a unification of all religions so that the whole planets on the same page?&nbsp; <p><font face="arial,helvetica,sans-serif" size="3"><img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/lol.gif" border="0" />&nbsp; That's&nbsp;a good one.&nbsp; Thanks for the laugh.</font></p>

[Ndugu]

<p>I wonder what it would take for a unification of all religions so that the whole planets on the same page?&nbsp;</p><p><img src="http://aces.tabulas.com/tarebear/thumbs/grand-master-chuck-norris-bn.jpg" border="0" /></p>

[sr71blackbird]

Is our god the same as their god? Is &quot;Allah&quot; God?&nbsp; Dont they have the 10 Commandments?&nbsp; If we can get rid of bullshit religions like Buddhism and the others (non-Judeo/Christian) I think we can eliminate a great deal of bloodshed over meaningless crap.&nbsp; It'd be nice if we said, &quot;you have 10 years, if you dont get on board with these beliefs, youll be nuked&quot; or something equally severe.&nbsp;&nbsp;This wont happen because there are the assholes who think we have to be &quot;tolerant&quot; to their rediculous beliefs and we dont want to &quot;offend&quot; anyone, and as long as this mindset exists, it swings open the doorway that allows fundamentalism to flourish.&nbsp;

[FUNKMAN]

<p>I wonder what it would take for a unification of all religions so that the whole planets on the same page?&nbsp;</p><p>i think it's more than religion... it's class, and it's racism, and it's prejudice, and just the dark side of human nature in some people to hate something that is different from them....</p>

[booster11373]

Buddism is one of the only religions that should be allowed.

[trackstand]

My guess is eventually, the west WILL figure out a way to wipe the area out without damaging the good stuff. What's OUR oil doing under their land?

[TheMojoPin]

<strong>sr71blackbird</strong> wrote:<br />Is our god the same as their god? Is &quot;Allah&quot; God?&nbsp; Dont they have the 10 Commandments?&nbsp; If we can get rid of bullshit religions like Buddhism and the others (non-Judeo/Christian) I think we can eliminate a great deal of bloodshed over meaningless crap.&nbsp; It'd be nice if we said, &quot;you have 10 years, if you dont get on board with these beliefs, youll be nuked&quot; or something equally severe.&nbsp;&nbsp;This wont happen because there are the assholes who think we have to be &quot;tolerant&quot; to their rediculous beliefs and we dont want to &quot;offend&quot; anyone, and as long as this mindset exists, it swings open the doorway that allows fundamentalism to flourish.&nbsp; <p>Your attempts at shock posting are noble, but not terribly good.&nbsp; I think we should all defer to TheJays in that area.&nbsp; He rocks the house.</p>

<span class=post_edited>This message was edited by TheMojoPin on 3-23-06 @ 8:05 PM</span>

[Ndugu]

<p>miss MojoPinHead</p>

[TheMojoPin]

Me too.

[mendyweiss]

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[sr71blackbird]

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