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pitbull#1

04-21-2006, 11:35 PM

CNN - Iran says its nuclear program is intended for civilian purposes, while many western countries say its intended to build a bomb and President Bush has refused to rule out a preemptive nuclear strike on the country.Are you fucking kidding me Bush? You Greedy Buttfucking Hermaphrodite!!! What the fuck is this, you go around putting fear into everyone world wide just so all the speculist drive the price of oil through the roof, and we have to go and make you millions of dollars because we need gas! If we do go to Nuclear war, I hope the first casualties of it is your entire family, and all your friends, with only you left to stand. I want you to stay alive because you should suffer for all the shit your putting this country through. So does anybody hate Bush as much as i do?

HBox

04-21-2006, 11:38 PM

Yes.

sr71blackbird

04-22-2006, 06:25 AM

Your right.  We should let them build up whatever they want and blow up whoever they want.  Its a free country.

FMJeff

04-22-2006, 08:04 AM

sr71blackbird wrote: Your right.  We should let them build up whatever they want and blow up whoever they want.  Its a free country. Great arguement idiot, let's nuke the country who's developing nukes to nuke others...Someone should get you a place in this administration.

JPMNICK

04-22-2006, 08:20 AM

THERE IS NO FUCKING WAY that would ever happen. anyone who thinks it will is an idiot. Bush floated that out there to make it known we are not backing down and we are serious. As a country, we did not use Nukes in vietnam, korea or any other conflict since WWII. there is no way that we would pre-emptive strike with a nuke. If we did pre-emptive strike, it would be a concentrated attack on just the nuclear facilities with laser guided smart bombs. We are in enough shit with the rest of the world, dropping a nuke would start WWIII

cougarjake13

04-22-2006, 08:27 AM

i hate whats happening with the oil situation right now but i'd rather have bush as prez not wanting to back down rather then kerry who'd prob let any country rape his asshole without any ky and say thank you sir may i have another

Yerdaddy

04-22-2006, 10:03 AM

JPMNICK wrote: THERE IS NO FUCKING WAY that would ever happen. anyone who thinks it will is an idiot. Bush floated that out there to make it known we are not backing down and we are serious. As a country, we did not use Nukes in vietnam, korea or any other conflict since WWII. there is no way that we would pre-emptive strike with a nuke. If we did pre-emptive strike, it would be a concentrated attack on just the nuclear facilities with laser guided smart bombs. We are in enough shit with the rest of the world, dropping a nuke would start WWIIII'd love to say there's no way Bush would never do this, but the way ths administration has conducted the war in Iraq leaves me absolutely convinced these people are insane. They are capable of it. On the other hand, the only reason I've even given this new speculation about US plans any credibility is that it came from Seymour Hersh - the best investigative journalist we've had in 50 years. He's got the most valuable rolodex in journalism and his latest piece is just a collection of what administraton and pentagon insiders are saying. And what they're saying is that Bush wants his legacy to be preventing Iran from getting the bomb. I guess the fact that he's already fucked up his chance of having a free Iraq as his legacy doesn't dampen his optimism or stupidity much. Problem is that this adminstration is incapable of accepting uncomfortable facts. They want to be aggressive actists in the world - implimenting these crazy theories that they thought up in their eight years of isolaton in which they decided they were exiled outsiders who still knew more than anyone else about the world. They have no ability to liisten to outsiders, whether in the military or civilian foreign policy community, and they don't ever let little details like facts, past failures or the best interest of America stand in their way.For example, they're not thinking about nuking Tehran; they're thinking about using tactical nuclear bunker busters to hit what they think are Iran's nuclear facilities. They probably think they can explain to the world that these are not Hiroshima and Nagasaki attacks, but just tactical nuclear weapons for miliitary targets. They could even probably get their republican base to accept and defend the act on those grounds. But they're going to ignore the fact that nuclear weapons hold an intense emotional reaction that will cause a backlash against America that we could never overcome. We loved this emotional response to all things "nuclear" during the Cold War, allowing us to justify every internatonal policy in the name of deterrence. The Bush adminsitration was well aware of the connotation of nuclear weapons in making claims about Saddam's programs it knew were untrue. But now it's quitie possibly thinking it's capable of rationalize nuclear attacks by the "good guys" in order to keep the "bad guys" from doing the same thing. We would usher in a new era in which every nuclear power will be much more likely to use them with the same rationale, and every non-nuclear power will seek them out as the only way to deter the crazy Americans. We would be the new Nazis, and that silly-ass thread about the whole world turning on us would suddenly become a reasonable topic of speculation.But, ultimately I blame Bush's supporters for being the most internatonally ignorant bunch of humans in the western world. All this horseshit about "Gore or Kerry would have never invaded Afghanistan after 9-11" and other ridiculous demonizing of democrats as cowards in foreign policy has caused the US to act as though there is no such thing as too aggressive in foreign policy. We actually act as though we have nothing to learn from, at the very least supporting armed Islamic militancy in Afghanistan in the 80's, and, at worst, fomenting it. We have still never even had a serious public discussion about the effect that our actions had in creati

SatCam

04-22-2006, 10:20 AM

If we start using nukes on other countries, remind me to move to the moon. Countries like North Korea and Iran are just looking for a reason to use nukes. Let's not give them a reason

JimBeam

04-22-2006, 10:34 AM

FMJeff whats with the idiot comment ?Seems a little uncalled for no ?While I don't belive that we as a country should be allowed to tell other countries what they can and can't do in regards to " defending " their own country I do think that we should in some way monitor what is going on to make sure that that country doesnt use these weapons on a whim.The irony in the anti-Bush stance on this is that if he let them go unchecked, and then in 5 years they drop a payload right in the middle of Israel, all those same people that were against Bush and any actions would blame him for not having stopped the buildup.

FUNKMAN

04-22-2006, 10:43 AM

The World Is A Much Safer Place Without Saddam HusseinMission Accomplishedwhen's the next biggest fucking mistake this guy is gonna make?

HBox

04-22-2006, 10:45 AM

The irony in the anti-Bush stance on this is
that if he let them go unchecked, and then in 5 years they drop a
payload right in the middle of Israel, all those same people that were
against Bush and any actions would blame him for not having stopped the
buildup.  There's a REAL long fucking way between NUKING THEM and doing nothing. Fucking Christ! The next damn guy who responds to someone who says nuking Iran is stupid by saying "Well, what, you just want to do nothing?" I'm gonna come over their house, and PUNCH THEM IN THE FUCKING FACE. Can we PLEASE have an honest debate for once!

This message was edited by HBox on 4-22-06 @ 2:46 PM

tele7

04-22-2006, 10:53 AM

So does anybody hate Bush as much as i do?I can't stand to even see his face or hear his voice anymore on TV.  He makes me almost  physically sick.

Dougie Brootal

04-22-2006, 11:04 AM

telecaster7 wrote: So does anybody hate Bush as much as i do?I can't stand to even see his face or hear his voice anymore on TV.  He makes me almost  physically sick.  exactly!

Ndugu

04-22-2006, 11:06 AM

well what you just want to do nothing?ill see you at my house, ill keep an eye out for a man in a dress

JimBeam

04-22-2006, 11:15 AM

Before you come over to my house to punch me in the face please reread my post and tell me where I said that we should nuke them. What I said was : ... I do think that we should in some way monitor what is going on ...

HBox

04-22-2006, 11:57 AM

JimBeam wrote: Before you come over to my house to punch me in the face please reread my post and tell me where I said that we should nuke them. What I said was :  ... I do think that we should in some way monitor what is going on ...   No, you just intimated that the anti-Bush stance was doing nothing.

Don Stugots

04-22-2006, 11:59 AM

I will not saying to piss off HBOX, i have to go out tonight and I do want to be punched in the face.

How could anyone hate Bush? Its warm, moist, creamy. Its like a cup of warm cocco with whipped cream on it. its-wait, what? Oh Pres. Bush. Oh ok then, I hate that bastard too.

Dudeman

04-22-2006, 12:01 PM

Bush's staements are not based on knowledge of history, culture,
political science, law, sociology, psychology, etc. When he
speaks without having someone tell him what to say, it is meaningless. 

This message was edited by Dudeman on 4-22-06 @ 5:15 PM

FUNKMAN

04-22-2006, 12:04 PM

i keep hearing the pro-bush people state on tv "well we haven't had another terrorist attack"well whoop dee frikin fuckin doo!after the 93' attack of the WTC we didn't have an attack for another 8 years and after the 93' attack we didn't go ahead and lose another 2500 more of our men and have 15,000 burned, blinded, left without limbs, and spend a trillion dollars on a foreign country.and another thing. Bush gets no fucking heat for the 9/11 attack which happened on his watch but he gets praised for getting Saddam Hussein out of power at the cost stated above...  all these fuckers that blamed Carter for the hostage crisis and praised Reagan for getting them released...give me a frikin break!

Don Stugots

04-22-2006, 12:18 PM

I just had this emailed to me. I think it would fit right here in this tread, if not, Hbox can come and punch me in the face. I am in apartement 2-j (not really, but from my peephole, I can see Hbox punch my neighbor in the face, HA!)

WOULDN'T IT BE GREAT TO TURN ON THE TV AND HEAR ANY U.S. PRESIDENT, DEMOCRAT OR REPUBLICAN GIVE THE FOLLOWING SPEECH?

My Fellow Americans: As you all know, the defeat of Iraq regime has been completed.

Since congress does not want to spend any more money on this war, our mission in Iraq is complete.

This morning I gave the order for a complete removal of all American forces from Iraq. This action will be complete within 30 days. It is now to begin the reckoning.

Before me, I have two lists. One list contains the names of countries which have stood by our side during the Iraq conflict. This list is short. The United Kingdom, Spain, Bulgaria, Australia, and Poland are some of the countries listed there.

The other list contains everyone not on the first list. Most of the world's nations are on that list. My press secretary will be distributing copies of both lists later this evening.

Let me start by saying that effective immediately, foreign aid to those nations on List 2 ceases immediately and indefinitely. The money saved during the first year alone will pretty much pay for the costs of the Iraqi war.

The American people are no longer going to pour money into third world Hell-holes and watch those government leaders grow fat on corruption.

Need help with a famine? Wrestling with an epidemic? Call France.

In the future, together with Congress, I will work to redirect this money toward solving the vexing social problems we still have at home. On that note, a word to terrorist organizations. Screw with us and we will hunt you down and eliminate you and all your friends from the face of the earth.

Thirsting for a gutsy country to terrorize? Try France, or maybe China.

I am ordering the immediate severing of diplomatic relations with France, Germany, and Russia. Thanks for all your help, comrades. We are retiring from NATO as well. Bon chance, mes amis.

I have instructed the Mayor of New York City to begin towing the many UN diplomatic vehicles located in Manhattan with more than two unpaid parking tickets to sites where those vehicles will be stripped, shredded and crushed. I don't care about whatever treaty pertains to this. You creeps have tens of thousands of unpaid tickets. Pay those tickets tomorrow or watch your precious Benzes, Beamers and limos be turned over to some of the finest chop shops in the world. I love New York

A special note to our neighbors. Canada is on List 2 Since we are likely to be seeing a lot more of each other, you folks might want to try not pissing us off for a change.

Mexico is also on List 2. President Fox and his entire corrupt government really need an attitude adjustment. I will have a couple extra tank and infantry divisions sitting around. Guess where I am going to put em? Yep, border security. So start doing something with your oil.

Oh, by the way, the United States is abrogating the NAFTA treaty - starting now.

We are tired of the one-way highway. Immediately, we'll be drilling for oil in Alaska - which will take care of this country's oil needs for decades to come. If you're an environmentalist who opposes this decision, I refer you to List 2 above: pick a country and move there. They care.

It is time for America to focus on its own welfare and its own citizens. Some will accuse us of isolationism. I answer them by saying, "darn tootin."
Nearly a century of trying to help folks live a decent life around the world has only earned us the undying enmity of just about everyone on the planet. It is time to eliminate hunger in America. It is time to eliminate homelessness in America. It is time to eliminate World Cup Soccer from America. To the nations on List 1, a final thought. Thanks guys. We owe you and we won't forget. To the nations on List 2, a final thought: You might want to learn to speak Arabi

HBox

04-22-2006, 12:32 PM

[quote]STUGOTS1 wrote: I just had this emailed to me. I think it would fit right here in this tread, if not, Hbox can come and punch me in the face. I am in apartement 2-j (not really, but from my peephole, I can see Hbox punch my neighbor in the face, HA!)

WOULDN'T IT BE GREAT TO TURN ON THE TV AND HEAR ANY U.S. PRESIDENT, DEMOCRAT OR REPUBLICAN GIVE THE FOLLOWING SPEECH?

My Fellow Americans: As you all know, the defeat of Iraq regime has been completed.

Since congress does not want to spend any more money on this war, our mission in Iraq is complete.

This morning I gave the order for a complete removal of all American forces from Iraq. This action will be complete within 30 days. It is now to begin the reckoning.

Before me, I have two lists. One list contains the names of countries which have stood by our side during the Iraq conflict. This list is short. The United Kingdom, Spain, Bulgaria, Australia, and Poland are some of the countries listed there.

The other list contains everyone not on the first list. Most of the world's nations are on that list. My press secretary will be distributing copies of both lists later this evening.

Let me start by saying that effective immediately, foreign aid to those nations on List 2 ceases immediately and indefinitely. The money saved during the first year alone will pretty much pay for the costs of the Iraqi war.

The American people are no longer going to pour money into third world Hell-holes and watch those government leaders grow fat on corruption.

Need help with a famine? Wrestling with an epidemic? Call France.

In the future, together with Congress, I will work to redirect this money toward solving the vexing social problems we still have at home. On that note, a word to terrorist organizations. Screw with us and we will hunt you down and eliminate you and all your friends from the face of the earth.

Thirsting for a gutsy country to terrorize? Try France, or maybe China.

I am ordering the immediate severing of diplomatic relations with France, Germany, and Russia. Thanks for all your help, comrades. We are retiring from NATO as well. Bon chance, mes amis.

I have instructed the Mayor of New York City to begin towing the many UN diplomatic vehicles located in Manhattan with more than two unpaid parking tickets to sites where those vehicles will be stripped, shredded and crushed. I don't care about whatever treaty pertains to this. You creeps have tens of thousands of unpaid tickets. Pay those tickets tomorrow or watch your precious Benzes, Beamers and limos be turned over to some of the finest chop shops in the world. I love New York

A special note to our neighbors. Canada is on List 2 Since we are likely to be seeing a lot more of each other, you folks might want to try not pissing us off for a change.

Mexico is also on List 2. President Fox and his entire corrupt government really need an attitude adjustment. I will have a couple extra tank and infantry divisions sitting around. Guess where I am going to put em? Yep, border security. So start doing something with your oil.

Oh, by the way, the United States is abrogating the NAFTA treaty - starting now.

We are tired of the one-way highway. Immediately, we'll be drilling for oil in Alaska - which will take care of this country's oil needs for decades to come. If you're an environmentalist who opposes this decision, I refer you to List 2 above: pick a country and move there. They care.

It is time for America to focus on its own welfare and its own citizens. Some will accuse us of isolationism. I answer them by saying, "darn tootin."
Nearly a century of trying to help folks live a decent life around the world has only earned us the undying enmity of just about everyone on the planet. It is time to eliminate hunger in America. It is time to eliminate homelessness in America. It is time to eliminate World Cup Soccer from America. To the nations on List 1, a final thought. Thanks guys. We owe you and we won't forget. To

Marc with a c

04-22-2006, 01:00 PM

HBox wrote: What you've just posted is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever read. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this thread is now dumber for having read it. you didn't actually read thet entire thing did you?

JimBeam

04-22-2006, 01:04 PM

Of course he read the whole thing.How esle was he going to get $100 from Bill Gates.

Don Stugots

04-22-2006, 01:08 PM

Hbox, I didnt say I wrote it, it was emailed to me, and I thought it woudl fit with the thread. thats all. I did think some of it was interesting. Relax, and yes I did the 100 from bill gates, he autographed it.

Dudeman

04-22-2006, 01:14 PM

STUGOTS1 wrote: WOULDN'T IT BE GREAT TO TURN ON THE TV AND HEAR ANY U.S. PRESIDENT,
DEMOCRAT OR REPUBLICAN GIVE THE FOLLOWING SPEECH? 
 no <blockquote />

DarkHippie

04-22-2006, 01:15 PM

I wish you guys were all here 3 or 4 years ago.  It would've saved me so much stress.  I feel like I don't even have to say how much I hate him anymore.If Bush tries to nuke Iran, you can be sure that he'll he riding the bomb to the ground, waving a cowboy hat.

Don Stugots

04-22-2006, 01:22 PM

<hr color="cococo" align="left">DarkHippie wrote: I wish you guys were all here 3 or 4 years ago. It would've saved me so much stress. I feel like I don't even have to say how much I hate him anymore.If Bush tries to nuke Iran, you can be sure that he'll he riding the bomb to the ground, waving a cowboy hat.<hr color="cococo" align="left">

Hippie, I too hate the guy. But, we are stuck with him for 2 more years. All we can do is ride it out.

I think you are right, he would wear the cowboy hat and say that this is the right thing, the christian thing to do. I am not saying that I have the answers, but then again, its not my job to know what to do with IRAN. It is scary to think about, so I make stupid jokes about it so as not to have to deal with it.

FezPaul

04-22-2006, 02:09 PM

HBox wrote:  The irony in the anti-Bush stance on this is that if he let them go unchecked, and then in 5 years they drop a payload right in the middle of Israel, all those same people that were against Bush and any actions would blame him for not having stopped the buildup.  There's a REAL long fucking way between NUKING THEM and doing nothing. Fucking Christ! The next damn guy who responds to someone who says nuking Iran is stupid by saying "Well, what, you just want to do nothing?" I'm gonna come over their house, and PUNCH THEM IN THE FUCKING FACE. Can we PLEASE have an honest debate for once!This message was edited by HBox on 4-22-06 @ 2:46 PM Hbox just wants us to do nothinghttp://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f281/FezPaul/bull.jpgNow punch me in the face

Don Stugots

04-22-2006, 02:18 PM

I agree, lets do nothing, since we cant just nuke them.

Recyclerz

04-22-2006, 02:26 PM

Although i'd love to join in the mud throwing that this thread is destined for, (maybe later!) I only have time to post this link to an article written by an Israeli military thinker who seems to be pretty well regarded by the professionals in the field.<a href="http://forward.com/main/article.php?ref=creveld20060419101">http://forward.com/main/article.php?ref=creveld20060419101</a>Its worth the read if you want to debate this topic like a gentleman.  <img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/wink.gif" border="0" />

FezPaul

04-22-2006, 02:40 PM

Recyclerz wrote: Although i'd love to join in the mud throwing that this thread is destined for, (maybe later!) I only have time to post this link to an article written by an Israeli military thinker who seems to be pretty well regarded by the professionals in the field.<a href="http://forward.com/main/article.php?ref=creveld20060419101">http://forward.com/main/article.php?ref=creveld20060419101</a>Its worth the read if you want to debate this topic like a gentleman.  <img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/wink.gif" border="0" />Interesting article, maybe we should do nothing.I'm not to upset about this situation to begin with ( the article seems to confirm that).I was just calling Hbox out for his hyperbole. "I'll punch 'em in the face."Will you?   Really?

HBox

04-22-2006, 03:09 PM

FezPaul wrote: Recyclerz wrote: Although i'd love to join in the mud throwing that this thread is destined for, (maybe later!) I only have time to post this link to an article written by an Israeli military thinker who seems to be pretty well regarded by the professionals in the field.<a href="http://forward.com/main/article.php?ref=creveld20060419101">http://forward.com/main/article.php?ref=creveld20060419101</a>Its worth the read if you want to debate this topic like a gentleman. <img border="0" src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/wink.gif" />Interesting article, maybe we should do nothing.I'm not to upset about this situation to begin with ( the article seems to confirm that).I was just calling Hbox out for his hyperbole. "I'll punch 'em in the face."Will you? Really?  Look at me! I understand the concept of sarcasm, and am not a tool!

FezPaul

04-22-2006, 03:37 PM

HBox wrote:  FezPaul wrote: Recyclerz wrote: Although i'd love to join in the mud throwing that this thread is destined for, (maybe later!) I only have time to post this link to an article written by an Israeli military thinker who seems to be pretty well regarded by the professionals in the field.<a href="http://forward.com/main/article.php?ref=creveld20060419101">http://forward.com/main/article.php?ref=creveld20060419101</a>Its worth the read if you want to debate this topic like a gentleman. <img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/wink.gif" border="0" />Interesting article, maybe we should do nothing.I'm not to upset about this situation to begin with ( the article seems to confirm that).I was just calling Hbox out for his hyperbole. "I'll punch 'em in the face."Will you? Really?  Look at me! I understand the concept of sarcasm, and am not a tool! Of 'course you;re not, a tool is useful.      <img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/tongue.gif" border="0" />

Grendel_Kahn

04-22-2006, 04:03 PM

You are all missing the point.  WE are not the
threat to shoot off a pre-emptive strike. The real worry is if ISREAL
can contain themselves.NOt a knock on them.  Not at all.  It's just how it is.

sr71blackbird

04-22-2006, 06:01 PM

I am trying to put this in words, but I dont know if it will come out right or not.  It isnt that I dont understand the outrage and horrors at the prospect of a nuclear exchange.  What I think everyone should consider is that the leader of Iran is indeed a terrorist; he was one of the people that kidnapped those people during Carters presidency.  He is known for his radical views and actions and his words on this whole nuclear issue is very troubling. It does sound like from what he and his cheifs of staff are saying is they would have no problem flexing their nuclear augmented muscle with regards to our troops that they have been "watching for over a year" in Iraq and Afganastan (see my other thread), and they are also mentioning Isreal.  I think that if they are allowed to develop the capacity to use nuclear weapons, that they will do so.  I think if they attacked either our troops or Isreal, or whatever goal they are after, that it would force the armageddon type scenario that so many other posters are mentioning in this thread.  Unfortunatly, because so many people today have been lead to believe taht anything Bush does is bad or that he is an idiot, this idealogy is preventing the US from acting in a way that might be in our own best interest.  The mid east is simply too much of a hot bed of emotions and issues and fanatacism to allow "sanctions" to do the work.  They have a very different mindset in the mid east.  If a person went into a museam and there was a sign that said "Do not touch" and you touched it, they would hack your hand off without any appeal.  Even if you couldnt understand it.  They are used to swift and terrible reactions and actions. They look at the idea of "sanctions" as a weakness.  They view us with contempt. I dont want to see the use of nuclear weapons as an answer to their actions and posturing, but I do not know what else can be done.  As so many of you who are anti-Bush point out time and time again; anything he does is looked at as idiotic and not thought out (much to the pleasure of our enemies-because it weakens us) and protested by our own people.  I think we would all be better off if we do not always immediatly jump on the band wagon that any action the US takes as an action of an unthought out, mindless and illogical direstion of an idiot.  There are advisers and strategists that the president consults, and while I agree that Iraq may have been a blunder, if the action proves to be sucessful, it will give us a toe hold in that part of the world.  I dont want to give everyone the impression that I am steadfastly behind Bush, because I do think he makes major blunders, but in this issue and with all thats at stake, I think it is best to consider the ramifications of a pacifist stance.

TheMojoPin

04-22-2006, 06:55 PM

FYI, the president of Iran does not control Iran's military, nor its nuclear program.  Its population is extremely young, the bulk between 18-35, and they're incredibly westernized.  A large scale pre-emptive strike of any kind is foolish and would do more harm than good.  While a localized or pinpoint strike to cripple the nuclear capacity might ultimately be the best solution, we're still very far away from having to give up on diplomatic resolutions.And Bush implying that we'd have no problem striking first with nukes IS absurd and idiotic.  Nuclear strikes in that region would damage or destroy neighboring countries as well, Israel included.

sr71blackbird

04-22-2006, 07:26 PM

Mojo, I wish I could articulate as well as you.

pitbull#1

04-23-2006, 04:13 PM

Ndugu wrote: well what you just want to do nothing?ill see you at my house, ill keep an eye out for a man in a dress Nobody on this board has said to do nothing, there just all smart enough to know that nuclear war is not the answer.<img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/nono.gif" border="0" />

sr71blackbird

04-23-2006, 06:25 PM

We can always pray for a meteor impact.<img height="160" src="http://www.astrosurf.com/lombry/Documents/asteroid-yucatan-dondixons.jpg" width="235" border="0" />

kdubya

04-23-2006, 06:29 PM

Here is my dilema.If we let Iran devlope a nucular program, we are aware of what is going on, if we force them to shut it down will they go to a former USSR state and get one off the black market. A devil ya know vs the devil ya don't dilema. Just a thought

sr71blackbird

04-23-2006, 06:31 PM

Thats why my prayer would solve everything. 

suggums

04-23-2006, 06:55 PM

TheMojoPin wrote: FYI, the president of Iran does not control Iran's military, nor its nuclear program. Its population is extremely young, the bulk between 18-35, and they're incredibly westernized.   not to mention the economy doesn't provide nearly enough jobs for these guys, so a good segment sit around and do drugs/hookah bar it up all day hoping to get a job

FMJeff

04-23-2006, 11:10 PM

JimBeam wrote: FMJeff whats with the idiot comment ?Seems a little uncalled for no ?While I don't belive that we as a country should be allowed to tell other countries what they can and can't do in regards to " defending " their own country I do think that we should in some way monitor what is going on to make sure that that country doesnt use these weapons on a whim.The irony in the anti-Bush stance on this is that if he let them go unchecked, and then in 5 years they drop a payload right in the middle of Israel, all those same people that were against Bush and any actions would blame him for not having stopped the buildup.  No, I don't think so. pitbull was commenting about the absurdity of a Bush nuclear threat, blackbird responded with a completely unrelated point. no, we should not let them build up and blow up whoever they want. that's not what pitbull was saying. he was commenting on bush using either the threat or the intention of a preemptive nuclear strike as means to an end. im aggravated by pro war, anti-iran people to begin with, but i'm not going to stomach the idea that the only way to protect ourselves from an emerging nuclear power is to nuke them ourselves. that is the thought process of idiots.we were at war with japan. they tried to invade. the conflict could've gone on for years, costing millions of dollars and innumerous lives. the bomb had a point then, and it wasn't preemptive. it was a closer. we're not even at war with iran. how can that even be an option. with intelligence as bad it is (so bad it caused an unjustified war), can we afford the costs to our souls from vaporizing a country based on what we THINK they'll do with that technology? hell, if i had the choice, id invade iran before i nuked them, fuck...just to see if they were really doing it...at the very least we wouldn't have that black mark to live with.fuck man, if they pre-emptively nuke iraq i'm leaving this country for good. that will be my last straw. i might even consider taking up arms against this country. that's about as un-american as anything i can think of.

A.J.

04-24-2006, 04:22 AM

after the 93' attack of the WTC we didn't have an attack for another 8 years Technically, we did: Oklahoma City in April 1995.  I know, they weren't Muslims.<img height="305" src="http://www.oklahomacounty.org/EmergencyManagement/Images/EmergencyImages/Murrah%20Building%20-%20April%2019,%201995.jpg" width="450" border="0" />

Yerdaddy

04-24-2006, 08:29 AM

sr71blackbird wrote: The mid east is simply too much of a hot bed of emotions and issues and fanatacism to allow "sanctions" to do the work.  They have a very different mindset in the mid east.  If a person went into a museam and there was a sign that said "Do not touch" and you touched it, they would hack your hand off without any appeal.  Even if you couldnt understand it.  They are used to swift and terrible reactions and actions. They look at the idea of "sanctions" as a weakness.  They view us with contempt. I dont want to see the use of nuclear weapons as an answer to their actions and posturing, but I do not know what else can be done. I'm so glad to know that nobody's been bored by reading my posts for the last year and a half.

A.J.

04-24-2006, 08:33 AM

That's because your posts are pure fantasy.  I mean, what civilized people stand to take a shit?

CaptClown

04-24-2006, 03:15 PM

pitbull#1 wrote:Nobody on this board has said to do nothing, there just all smart enough to know that nuclear war is not the answer.<img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/nono.gif" border="0" />  France, Germany, and Britain wanted to talk it out with the Iranians and got told pretty much to go F' themselves. We could go with another bilateral "Framework Agreement", which has gone over well. What are the chances something like that could get violated?

Yerdaddy

07-08-2006, 05:26 AM

<a href="http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/articles/060710fa_fact" target="_blank">New Seymour Hersh piece on Bush's Iran policy.</a>

ADF

07-08-2006, 02:11 PM

Edit: nevermind, missed the 2nd page. 

This message was edited by ADF on 7-8-06 @ 6:12 PM

CuzBum

07-08-2006, 02:27 PM

i might even consider taking up arms against this countryBAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAH