Pentagon Releases 9/11 Security Video

[Gvac]

<a href="http://news.yahoo.com/fc/us/terrorism" target="_self">The Pentagon on Tuesday released the first video images of
American Airlines Flight 77 crashing into the military headquarters
building and killing 189 people in the Sept. 11, 2001 terrorist attacks.</a>

[suggums]

<p>you still cant see anything.&nbsp; this gif is fake but is more accurate than the videos they've released so far:</p><p><img width="262" height="215" border="0" src="http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a327/lytetrip/Pentagon/pentstrike3.gif" /></p><p>how about the video tapes from the nearby gas station or hotel?&nbsp; those would show the final approach and give us a much more accurate view than these stupid security cams.&nbsp; i dont understand why those havent been released as well, unless there's something we shouldn't be seeing.</p><p>all this and we get basically the same damn security frames that were released days after.</p>

[Furtherman]

<strong>suggums</strong> wrote:<br /><p>you still cant see anything.&nbsp;</p><p>how about the video tapes from the nearby gas station or hotel?&nbsp; those would show the final approach and give us a much more accurate view than these stupid security cams.&nbsp; i dont understand why those havent been released as well, unless there's something we shouldn't be seeing.</p><p>all this and we get basically the same damn security frames that were released days after.</p><p>It's a shitty security camera.&nbsp; I can see the plane hitting - it's quick but accurate.&nbsp; The plane hit, and it disintergrated.&nbsp; </p>

[FUNKMAN]

<p>something that comes to mind is that guy flying the plane got trained pretty damn well. maybe i'm just ignorant to 'how easy it may be to fly a plane' but it seemed he fucking nailed it</p><p>to this day it still amazes me that a human being made a decision to get up that morning, have breakfast,&nbsp;and then fly a plane into a building</p>

[TheMojoPin]

One of the most retarded things about our government's red tape is they classify almost everything to some degree of secrecy.&nbsp; Really, I'm serious...people have had to use the Freedom of Information Act to declassify studies on fish from the 1920's.&nbsp; Obviously, this event is going to contain far more important&nbsp;info, but something being classified by the government is so far from making it automatically incriminating it's not even funny.&nbsp; As it stands, there is no actual or legitimate forensic evidence that proves anything but a plane hit the Pentagon.&nbsp; The unseen videos will not actually make that evidence magically appear.

[Reephdweller]

<p>how about the video tapes from the nearby gas station or hotel?&nbsp; those would show the final approach and give us a much more accurate view than these stupid security cams.&nbsp; i dont understand why those havent been released as well, unless there's something we shouldn't be seeing.</p><p>I agree, what is there to hide? Me personnaly I have no doubt that flight 77 hit the Pentagon. I don't buy into the theories of a missle or any of that conspiracy crap. However if there is actual video of the plane hitting into the Pentagon just release it and put that part of the controversy to bed. I know there are some people who will never be satisfied, though any others who are on the fence would see it for themselves and accept what happened. Instead they show choppy cheap video and a blip of what looks like a plane for a 10th a second and think that will put things to be. There has to be&nbsp;actual full motion video of the plane hitting, just release it already and be done with it.</p>

[MikeyTags]

I'm turning into one of those conspiracy theorists,&nbsp;I dont know it just doesnt look like a plane hitting there.&nbsp; Who knows, I love this country and all but our government is all fucked up.

[cupcakelove]

<strong>suggums</strong> wrote:<br /><br />
<p><br />
</p><p>how
about the video tapes from the nearby gas station or hotel?</p><br />

<p>I shop at the mall next to the Pentagon all the time and I'm a
little confused about what gas station you're talking about.&nbsp; And
because of 395, the nearest hotel would hardly have a decent shot of
this, unless they had a camera on the roof aimed directly at the
Pentagon.&nbsp; I'm glad they released this video, but I think the
quality isn't anywhere close enough to end the conspiracy theories.<br />
</p>

[LimeJohnny]

<p>I drove past the point of impact every day (including that morning) and there should be multiple videos of the plane.&nbsp; Check out the link below:<br /> </p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><a href="http://perso.wanadoo.fr/jpdesm/pentagon/pages-en/fct-videos.html" target="_self" title="Other Video Locations">http://perso.wanadoo.fr/jpdesm/pentagon/pages-en/fct-videos.html&nbsp;</a></p>

[A.J.]

<strong>cupcakelove</strong> wrote:<br /><p>I shop at the mall next to the Pentagon all the time and I'm a little confused about what gas station you're talking about.&nbsp; </p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Most likely the one at the base of the hill between the&nbsp;Marine annex, Route&nbsp;110 and the Pentagon.&nbsp; The thing is most security cameras are focused at a fixed point on site.&nbsp; I doubt they'd be aimed at the Pentagon which is far off in the background.</p>

[cupcakelove]

<strong>A.J.</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>cupcakelove</strong> wrote:<br /><p>I shop at the mall next to the Pentagon all the time and I'm a little confused about what gas station you're talking about. </p><p> </p><p>Most
likely the one at the base of the hill between the Marine annex, Route
110 and the Pentagon. The thing is most security cameras are focused at
a fixed point on site. I doubt they'd be aimed at the Pentagon which is
far off in the background.</p>
<p>Yes, and the same with the Shearton in that link.&nbsp; The hotel is
about a mile away and it makes no sense for them to have cameras aimed
at the Pentagon.&nbsp; I would say that VDOT camera is the only thing
that could have gotten a good shot of the impact, but that's assuming
the camera was there in 2001.<br />
</p>

[Earlshog]

<font face="Verdana"><p>&quot;However if there is actual video of the plane hitting into the Pentagon just release it and put that part of the controversy to bed.&quot;</p><p>Because there is no controversy. A few conspiracy theory dopes who have a forum now (the internet) does not have any relevance in the grand scope of things. </p></font>

[Don Stugots]

<hr color="cococo" align="left"></font><strong>Earlshog</strong> wrote:<br><font face="Verdana"><p>"However if there is actual video of the plane hitting into the Pentagon just release it and put that part of the controversy to bed."</p><p>Because there is no controversy. A few conspiracy theory dopes who have a forum now (the internet) does not have any relevance in the grand scope of things. </p></font><hr color="cococo" align="left"><p></p>

then release just for the sake of releasing it. why keep it sealed. i believe that a plane hit the pentagon that day. just show it to us already. we dont need the government to decide what we can and cant handle to see. enough already.

I too love this country but our government makes it so hard and acts like they just dont care.

[Furtherman]

<strong>TheMojoPin</strong> wrote:<br />Really, I'm serious...people have had to use the Freedom of Information Act to declassify studies on fish from the 1920's.&nbsp; <p>Them was some scary fish!&nbsp; Eat your children they would!</p>

[LimeJohnny]

<p>I think at this point with the government's track record, I wouldn't rule anything out on face value alone.<br /> </p><p>&nbsp;<br />For example, if you were to post on the internet a year ago that the NSA had the world's largest database which included a record of all of the calls made in the US in the last 3 years, you would be called a conspiracy nut with a tinfoil hat.&nbsp; Now that it is reported by the mainstream media it is accepted as fact.&nbsp; This is not to say that there aren't any nuts out there or outrageous theories, but dismissing all of these theories with one swift stroke is foolish IMHO.<br /></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br /></p><strong>Earlshog</strong> wrote:<br /><font face="Verdana"><p>&quot;However if there is actual video of the plane hitting into the Pentagon just release it and put that part of the controversy to bed.&quot;</p><p>Because there is no controversy. A few conspiracy theory dopes who have a forum now (the internet) does not have any relevance in the grand scope of things. </p></font><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p>

[Snoogans]

Why is it crazy to think this is fake? I watched it, and something didnt sit right with me. Ive never argued that it never happened, and I don't think I've ever stopped to think whether or not it really happened. But I have seen videos I KNOW were fake that were just as real or more real looking than this one. So who really knows<br />

[suggums]

<p><img width="540" height="358" border="0" src="http://www.defenselink.mil/news/May2000/20005022a.jpg" /></p><p>this is said view from the nearby gas stations camera.&nbsp; there'd be no mistaking it from this angle.&nbsp;</p><p>they confiscated the tapes the morning of 9/11, and haven't released it yet.&nbsp;</p>

[Dirtybird12]

<strong>Furtherman</strong> wrote:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; It's a shitty security camera.&nbsp; <p>yeah. a little fucking strange wouldn't ya say? IT'S THE PENTAGON!!! you would think THEY could afford a kick ass cam.&nbsp; Do you know how much one of those dangrous bunker buster bombs cost? 40 dollars. </p><p>snake fuckers. </p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>bring home the boyz </p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>ask me about life on jerry</p>

[cupcakelove]

<strong>suggums</strong> wrote:<br /><br />
<p>this is said view from the nearby gas stations camera. there'd be no mistaking it from this angle. </p><p>they confiscated the tapes the morning of 9/11, and haven't released it yet. </p><p>This is a press photo from the opening cermony of the station, this gives us no insight into what view, if any, the cameras at this station had.&nbsp; And that's assuming there are any extra security cameras at a private gas station open only to DoD employees.<br /></p>

[jeffdwright2001]

<strong>CircusFreak</strong> wrote:<br />yeah. a little fucking strange wouldn't ya say? IT'S THE PENTAGON!!! you would think THEY could afford a kick ass cam.&nbsp; Do you know how much one of those dangrous bunker buster bombs cost? 40 dollars. <p>They spent all their money buying $436 hammers in the 80's.</p>

[suggums]

<p> </p><strong>cupcakelove</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>suggums</strong> wrote:<br /><br />
<p>this is said view from the nearby gas stations camera. there'd be no mistaking it from this angle. </p><p>they confiscated the tapes the morning of 9/11, and haven't released it yet. </p><p>This is a press photo from the opening cermony of the station, this gives us no insight into what view, if any, the cameras at this station had. And that's assuming there are any extra security cameras at a private gas station open only to DoD employees.<br /></p><p> </p><p> </p><p>from a richmond times-dispatch article posted on natl geographic:</p><p> </p><p> </p><p>
Three months ago, on September 11 at 9:38 a.m., a Tuesday, Jose
Velasquez heard the rumble of imminent death overhead. &quot;I knew
something was wrong. The planes come more from the north and west [to
land at Reagan National Airport] not from the south. And not so low.&quot; </p><p>
He was talking on the telephone that morning to a friend who was
feeding him gauzy reports about airplane crashes at the World Trade
Center in New York. But Velasquez slammed down the receiver and raced
outside when he felt the gas station he supervises suddenly begin to
tremble from a too-close airplane. </p><p>
&quot;It was like an earthquake,&quot; the Costa Rican native said last week.
What Velasquez felt above him almost within touching distance was
American Airlines Flight 77 just seconds before impact. </p><p>
His gas station, open only to Department of Defense personnel, is the
last structure between the Pentagon and the hillside that, hours later,
would become a wailing knoll. &quot;By the time I got outside all I could
see was a giant cloud of smoke, first white then black, coming from the
Pentagon,&quot; he said. &quot;It was just a terrible, terrible thing to be so
close to.&quot; </p><p>
Today, Velasquez still trembles when he talks about the incident that
has forever changed the military, government, and technology polyglot
that is Northern Virginia. &quot;Even today,&quot; said Velasquez, &quot;people who
come here tell me they are frightened to come to work. You can see it
in their eyes.&quot; </p><p>
Velasquez says the gas station's security cameras are close enough to
the Pentagon to have recorded the moment of impact. &quot;I've never seen
what the pictures looked like,&quot; he said. &quot;The FBI was here within
minutes and took the film.&quot; </p><p> </p><p> </p><p>link:<a href="http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2001/12/1211_wirepentagon.html">click here</a> <br /></p>



<span class=post_edited>This message was edited by suggums on 5-17-06 @ 5:57 PM</span>

[LimeJohnny]

<strong>suggums</strong> wrote:<br /><p> </p><strong><br /></strong><p>
Velasquez says the gas station's security cameras are close enough to
the Pentagon to have recorded the moment of impact. &quot;I've never seen
what the pictures looked like,&quot; he said. &quot;The FBI was here within
minutes and took the film.&quot; </p><p> </p><p> </p>If his description is accurate and the FBI was there within minutes, that is just scary.&nbsp; People were assumed to be trapped in the building for many minutes after the explosion.<br /><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><span class="post_edited">&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; <br /></span><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p>

[A.J.]

<strong>CircusFreak</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>Furtherman</strong> wrote:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; It's a shitty security camera.&nbsp; <p>yeah. a little fucking strange wouldn't ya say? IT'S THE PENTAGON!!! you would think THEY could afford a kick ass cam.&nbsp; Do you know how much one of those dangrous bunker buster bombs cost? 40 dollars. </p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Actually that section of the building was undergoing renovation at the time so that might explain the shittiness of the camera.</p><p>And 40 dollars for a bunker buster bomb?&nbsp; That's a lot of bang for very few bucks!&nbsp; <img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/laugh.gif" border="0" /></p>

[Dirtybird12]

<p>so after 5 years uncle sam decides to let the public see the video. </p><p>nice. it prob took 5 years for the UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT&nbsp;to erase the missle that was fired from&nbsp; a helicopter flown by elvis and bigfoot.</p>