Does anyone here like our president? [Archive]

Tenbatsuzen

05-27-2006, 09:53 PM

I'm being totally serious here. I'm a moderate republican.  Big on personal responsibility and such.  A supporter of our troops, but truly unsure why we're still sending troops over to Iraq.I voted for Bush, twice.  Both times, I honestly believed it was the lesser of two evils. I'm sick of the religious right.  I'm sick of the far left.  I love my country, but I don't feel enthused about it as I once was.  I don't see things going right.  I see gas prices going through the roof.  I see our federal government talking a lot, but not getting a lot of things done.  I'd like to know - are there any reasons why I should like Bush right now?   I don't want the typical, snippy left-wing answers with "witty" answers about the Bush administration. The crux of the matter is - is there any GOOD news?

narc

05-27-2006, 11:17 PM

I'm sort of in the same place as you. Nothing will ever make me love our country any less, but we're certainly in a difficult spot right now. I'm not sure how much of that is the fault of W., but he's certainly got to share his load of the blame. 
The religious right and the far left will BOTH get theirs in the end.

Coach

05-27-2006, 11:55 PM

hmm...I disagree with some of his policies, and agree with others, all in all, I'm on the fence.

This message was edited by Coach on 5-28-06 @ 3:59 AM

moochcassidy

05-28-2006, 02:01 AM

Don Stugots

05-28-2006, 02:04 AM

i didnt vote for him either time. I didnt vote for the opposition either. i didnt feel like any of them were worth my vote.

I was a huge supporter of the war. I had sent a boxes of supplies over for the troops. I felt Saddams reign over the his people needed to end. there is no question about that. he was/is an animal that needed to be removed. Were there weapons? yes. i have no doubt that there were. Will we find them? no way. the guy was smart and had allies up the ass. Do i still support the war? no, there is no reason too. All we are doing now is securing the oil wells for Big Oil while we get raped at the pump.

I too love this country but where is it going? We do not manufactur anyhting, we do have many blue collar jobs and now the low end or entry level white collar jobs like customer service jobs get out sourced to other countries. We are over flowing with illegal immergrantes that we are afraid to throw out of here. Property values are still so high that a person making under 100,000 can not purchase their own home. the overall cost of living is high with salaries staying the same.

Stankfoot

05-28-2006, 03:56 AM

STUGOTS1 wrote: Were there weapons? yes. i have no doubt that there were. Will we find them? no way. the guy was smart and had allies up the ass. 

  .... You guys who won't give up on the WMD thing crack me up! Was that the smart guy's master plan? To hide any WMDs he had outside the country and get caught eating Mars Bars in a "spider hole"? Brilliant! He sure is an evil genius!

WRESTLINGFAN

05-28-2006, 04:28 AM

I also voted for him twice for the reason that he was the lesser of 2 evils, but not only Iraq is a mess, also our national debt is spiraling out of control, something like 9 trillion dollars, we have a huge trade imbalance with China, we buy their crap but they wont buy ours, the Dubai Ports deal what the hell was he thinking? and the fact that the border/illegal immigration policy is still not resolved yet.

Ndugu

05-28-2006, 04:30 AM

nobody over here does. without any doubt GWB is the least liked president (outside the US) in living memory. even the vast majority of ur buddies in england hate him and disagree with your war.just sayingo have a drink luckyjust sayin <img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/laugh.gif" border="0" />

Don Stugots

05-28-2006, 05:25 AM

<hr color="cococo" align="left">Stankfoot wrote: STUGOTS1 wrote: Were there weapons? yes. i have no doubt that there were. Will we find them? no way. the guy was smart and had allies up the ass.

 .... You guys who won't give up on the WMD thing crack me up! Was that the smart guy's master plan? To hide any WMDs he had outside the country and get caught eating Mars Bars in a "spider hole"? Brilliant! He sure is an evil genius! <hr color="cococo" align="left">

Stank, do you think the guy wasnt up to no good over there? he was no humanitarin i assure you. The idea of the WMD came up while Clinton (who i did vote for twice) was in office. Make no mistake, going to war with Iraq was on Bush's agend since the day he took office. i am in no way a Bush supporter or a republican by any means. I think the only time I voted for the GOP was for Rudy for Mayor. Other than that, dont vote because I think they are all the same guy just with different spin on non issues.

Bulldogcakes

05-28-2006, 06:03 AM

I was never impressed with Bush from day 1. The people with real ideas and vision for the country (Newt Gingrich, Jack Kemp, etc) never get nominated. I voted for him in 2000, sat out 2004. He didn't run a serious campaign for my vote here in NY, so why give it to him. The 9 trillion in debt is no accident. His father ran up the largest debts in history before the son came along. This is a philosophy at work. He over spends to prop up the economy, because doing the things that would add real growth (Shrinking Gov't, simplify the tax code, less regulations) are too hard politically. He just has lax enforcement of existing laws and spends, spends spends. A Democrat would never get away with the kind of spending this "Conservative" does.   My sister was dying of breast cancer when this piece of shit announced he was restricting stem cell research. While stem cell research doesn't hold much promise for people with cancer, anyone who would put Pat Robertson's interpretation of religion over medical advances that can save/improve lives is beneath contempt IMO.    Dont forget that the first year od Bush's first term he was floundering. Not able to get the country behind any agenda, not able to get much going legislation-wise. Then 9/11 happened and the country rallied around him, and his approval ratings skyrocketed. Now, with 9/11 a fading memory, were back to looking at him for who he is. Hence, the 29% approval rating.  Again, he never even really ran much of a campaign in this part of the country either time he ran for president. Ran hardly any ads in NY, hardly any campaign stops, no stump speeches I can recall. So most people never seem to even have heard his side of the story on most issues.  I think that's bad for democracy, and is contributing to his low approval #s. In places like NY and NJ the tide is so overwhelming against him, you dont bother to defend him in public, even if you agree with him on an issue.

NortonRules

05-28-2006, 06:07 AM

I didn't vote for him either time.  I'm ashamed to say I voted for Kerry.  He stood for nothing and had no solutions.  He also had worse grades in college than Bush, but that wasn't revealed until after the election...how convenient.  Iraq is a mess, but not as big a mess as the mass liberal media is telling you.  There is a lot of progress.  There was also plenty of proof of WMD's, but the mass liberal media buried those stories.  I don't like how every time there's a death over there that Bush gets blamed.  Why don't we blame Saddam or the animals that did it instead?  It's Saddam's fault we're in the war.  It's the liberal way to blame 'white people' for what others do.I, too, hate the religious right and the far left.  I hate how anyone in the middle, seemingly using common sense, doesn't have a chance politically.  It's sad.  I wish a pro-choice conservative would make it this time.  Chances aren't good.Here's my opinion of why the liberals can't win anything: all they do is bitch and complain and offer no solutions.  Now they are focusing on 'the sky is falling' aka global warming, which has nothing to do with us.  we can't do anything about it.  the earth goes through cycles independant of humans.  there have been heat waves and colder periods all throughout history and they don't coincide with our industrial activities.  The democrats have really turned me off with their whining and lack of being able to offer solutions.  I also wish all religion would disappear from the planet.  It's the single biggest problem in the world.  I still can't believe that adults believe in Santa Clause.

Yerdaddy

05-28-2006, 06:08 AM

STUGOTS1 wrote:  Stank, do you think the guy wasnt up to no good over there? he was no humanitarin i assure you. The idea of the WMD came up while Clinton (who i did vote for twice) was in office. Make no mistake, going to war with Iraq was on Bush's agend since the day he took office. i am in no way a Bush supporter or a republican by any means. I think the only time I voted for the GOP was for Rudy for Mayor. Other than that, dont vote because I think they are all the same guy just with different spin on non issues. It's not that not having WMD made him a humanitarian. He was a piece of shit. But according to the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_Survey_Group" target="_self">Iraq Survey Group</a> (the Bush administration's own inspectors with full access to Iraq), there was no evidence of weapons smuggled out before the war. So, if you believe this, what do you base the belief on? It's significant because it leads to the core issue of whether we were lied into a war or whether this was a big, stupid, honest mistake. And I'm trying to figure out why people still have any faith at all in this White House.

NortonRules

05-28-2006, 06:09 AM

I agree with Bulldogcakes. The conservative stance on stem-cell research is mind-boggling and shameful.

zentraed

05-28-2006, 06:44 AM

NortonRules wrote: I agree with Bulldogcakes. The conservative stance on stem-cell research is mind-boggling and shameful.   talk about irony. you attack global warming as a pointless liberal obsession, though nearly every scientific establishment and most governments around the world acknowledge it. But conservatives being against stem-cell research strikes you as mind-boggling. What's shameful is the poor level of scientific literacy in this country. I have never liked Bush; why primary voters chose him over John McCain back in 2000 is beyond me. As someone commented earlier, he was making no progress in his first year and then the nation gave him a free pass, and worse, re-elected him. He's never had a serious domestic agenda and we will be dealing with his fiscal legacy for a long time. It takes a special man to increase government spending the way he has and leave us with nothing to show for it.

Plethora

05-28-2006, 06:49 AM

I do not like him.  I think he's a terrible leader -- possessing none of the qualities I believe are at the top of the list of desirable traits in a leader: Intellect (knows issues deeply) and Independent Thinking + Charisma (has new ideas for fixing problems & has the oratory skills to convince folks). I think Rove and his gang have done a terrible disservice to politics, most likely (though it pains me a bit to say) picking up on and magnifying some of what Clinton added to American politics. It all starts to feel like we are unlucky enough to be around for The Golden Age of Dumb.  "Intellectuals" are eschewed in favor of "Someone I Could Have a Beer With"... Yippee, I'm an Idiot.  Science is bullied into silence in favor of big business interests.  Yippie, I'm an Idiot.  Be scared, be very scared (of terrorists & homosexuals among others), and keep voting for us because the other side would surely let us be attacked (by terrorists & gays among others).  Yippie, I'm an idiot. Personally, I long for the good ole days of gridlock -- Having the legislative and executive branch controlled by one party sure feels like less and less of a good idea these days.  It seems like Congress has completely abandoned their oversight responsibilities.  Consider for a moment that there have not been meaningful congressional hearings on any number of highly controversial issues that sure feel like they need attention -- Katrina response, NSA wiretapping (at least two separate issues which on their face seem illegal -- why have FISA if it is completely circumventable by executive order?), and others that I'm blanking on as I write this.  It has that feeling, a white-out of insane gov't stuff -- just a staggering amount of crazy crap going on and no one is calling bullshit on it.It looks like things may turn around in the midterm elections.  Here's hoping.  If the house and possibly the senate do go majority Democrat, I'm really looking forward to some real oversight returning to congress & perhaps some moderation on things have been getting out of hand.And, for the folks who claim to be moderate republicans, this is one that continues to stump me -- Is it more important to you to save what has to be a few bucks in federal taxes to put up with all the other stuff that's been going on?  Or do you actually own a multi-national corporation and will directly benefit from all of that stuff?  Really.  The folks that sign up for all the Republican stuff, even when it is directly at odds with their own interests, has always puzzled me.ps: I consider myself a moderate liberal who believes strongly in personal responsibility and personal freedoms. <img border="0" src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/tongue.gif" />

Plethora

05-28-2006, 06:58 AM

NortonRules wrote: Here's my opinion of why the liberals can't win anything: all they do is bitch and complain and offer no solutions. Now they are focusing on 'the sky is falling' aka global warming, which has nothing to do with us. we can't do anything about it. the earth goes through cycles independant of humans. there have been heat waves and colder periods all throughout history and they don't coincide with our industrial activities. You are probably listening to too much Fox News and/or conservative talk radio. You are at least partially parroting republican talking points from the last election. The idea that criticizing a ruling parties short-comings is "bitching and complaining" is baulderdash. That very critiquing is critical to democracy & the "no solutions" part is crap too. It's an amateur debating technique which apparently, these days, seems to go a long way because many folks have been convinced to not use their brains. 

This message was edited by Plethora on 5-28-06 @ 11:16 AM

MHasegawa

05-28-2006, 07:03 AM

I have absolutely no faith in ANYONE in this country, no one wants to really make the US better, just better for themselves.  The right is fuckin insane and anyone on the left makes me want to puke, especially the ones on here who think they can run for office just because they've seen a week of the daily show. Fuck you and fuck this country, im on my own here...

MilkmanDann

05-28-2006, 07:13 AM

Just view the position as a figurehead for a bunch of other people, personally no opinion one way or the other. Liked Clinton, economy was good (not his doing) but he had charisma. If there's one thing we need in that position its Charisma. JFK perfect example, and as far as I can tell the last northern US president (could be wrong on that). There's 500 people under the president that actually run the country, but out front we need someone that can reassure us and make everyone else know not to fuck with us. I live in Canada 4 months of the year, I have no clue who the prime minister is.

FUNKMAN

05-28-2006, 07:37 AM

I believe he is a man who does a 'half-ass' job. Supposedly he did a half-ass job in college and in his military service. It's hard to believe he went to an Ivy League school and speaks the way he does. He is arrogant and macho and has done nothing to earn any respect for himself or the country. Going into Afghanistan was the best decision of his terms but should have handled fighting terrorism in a different manner after that, this is where his macho has led him down the wrong path.The 'economy' is a puzzling situation. Viewing it from the field i work in I see many people being outsourced. The majority of workers laid off at the beginning of the decade and have since found new work have done so for significant decreases in salary and benefits while their living expenses have only increased along the way. On the other hand i continue to see housing developments appearing with homes starting no less than 600k and i say to myself "who the heck are buying all these expensive homes?"   It used to be the blue-collar worker 'making a good salary' was becoming or has become extinct and now it seems it's happening to the 'white collar worker' as well.Yet i saw on CNBC a report that just two hedge fund managers had earned a total of 1.6 billion in salary last year. Do you know the money earned on this money on interest alone is, for doing absolutely nothing other than sitting in an account? That money has got to come from somewhere or do they just print up more? The rest of the hedge fund managers averaged 130 million in salary. To think i got on the CEO at Exxon for getting a 170 million dollar retirement package, sheesh  'what's wrong with me?'This may be a point or not but George W has always grown up in wealth, his family from what i understand are wealthy from being in the oil business. Can he really understand the needs of ALL the people? He may think he understands and has a picture in his mind but in the end is that picture wrong and does he base his decisions on what's best for the people he does understand and has had his experience with, the wealthy.Who has more power and influence on the direction of the country and the world for that matter, the president or the corporations?  I'll admit i have no clue.

mdr55

05-28-2006, 08:26 AM

NortonRules wrote: I
didn't vote for him either time. I'm ashamed to say I voted for Kerry.
He stood for nothing and had no solutions. He also had worse grades in
college than Bush, but that wasn't revealed until after the
election...how convenient. Iraq is a mess, but not as big a
mess as the mass liberal media is telling you. There is a lot of
progress. There was also plenty of proof of WMD's, but the mass liberal
media buried those stories. I don't like how every time there's a death
over there that Bush gets blamed. Why don't we blame Saddam or the
animals that did it instead? It's Saddam's fault we're in the war. It's
the liberal way to blame 'white people' for what others do.I,
too, hate the religious right and the far left. I hate how anyone in
the middle, seemingly using common sense, doesn't have a chance
politically. It's sad. I wish a pro-choice conservative would make it
this time. Chances aren't good.Here's my opinion of why the
liberals can't win anything: all they do is bitch and complain and
offer no solutions. Now they are focusing on 'the sky is falling' aka
global warming, which has nothing to do with us. we can't do anything
about it. the earth goes through cycles independant of humans. there
have been heat waves and colder periods all throughout history and they
don't coincide with our industrial activities. The democrats
have really turned me off with their whining and lack of being able to
offer solutions. I also wish all religion would disappear from the
planet. It's the single biggest problem in the world. I still can't
believe that adults believe in Santa Clause.    Santa Clause isn't real? What are you smoking? <img border="0" src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/sad.gif" />  <blockquote />

mdr55

05-28-2006, 08:28 AM

4 more years for Bush!Vote for Jeb.  <img border="0" src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/help.gif" />

jagsfans

05-28-2006, 10:07 AM

Bulldogcakes wrote: My sister was dying of breast cancer when this piece of shit announced he was restricting stem cell research. While stem cell research doesn't hold much promise for people with cancer, anyone who would put Pat Robertson's interpretation of religion over medical advances that can save/improve lives is beneath contempt IMO.    Republicans have'nt restricted stem cell research.  They simply limited federal funds from going to it.Think about it.  If Stem cell research had the promise to cure Alzheimers, diabetes or paralysis don't you Pfizer, Bristol-Myers or GLaxoSmithKline would be spending unlimited funds to fund those advances.  Imagine if someone comes out w/a cure for Alzheimers.  All the baby boomers would drive that stock through the roof.  The reality is stem cell research is not that promising, and the limiting of federal funding of it is not restricting it in any way.   Private companies are free to spend as much money as they like on it.  Just think about health advances made.  Government is not the way to go.  Private companies seeking monetary rewards is how advances are made.

zentraed

05-28-2006, 10:35 AM

jagsfans wrote: Think about it. If Stem cell research had the promise to cure Alzheimers, diabetes or paralysis don't you Pfizer, Bristol-Myers or GLaxoSmithKline would be spending unlimited funds to fund those advances. Imagine if someone comes out w/a cure for Alzheimers. All the baby boomers would drive that stock through the roof. The reality is stem cell research is not that promising, and the limiting of federal funding of it is not restricting it in any way. Private companies are free to spend as much money as they like on it. Just think about health advances made. Government is not the way to go. Private companies seeking monetary rewards is how advances are made.    Pharmaceutical companies don't do the basic research. That's mostly funded by the fed in the form of NIH grants. Since they are private companies, they have to focus on developing products and getting them on the market, not answering basic questions like this.When you cut off federal funds, you cut off university-based researchers. When you cut off the researchers, you also cut off the graduate students who would work under them and go on to extend the work. This sets back the field considerably. But on the bright side, it's given China and Korea another area to gain an advantage over us in the next decade.

narc

05-28-2006, 11:19 AM

Part of the problem for the democrats is that some of their leaders who are most vocal are just....terrible. John Kerry, who can't help but come off as an arrogant douche in my mind, acts like he's still on the campaign trail. Nancy Pelosi, if you look into her background, might literally be the worst person ever, and is just as much of an idiot if you try to go in depth on an issue (she'll literally start stuttering and repeating whatever soundbite she's been given that day). Many of the democrats themselves think Howard Dean is an utter embarrassment as party chairman. 
 
I don't know enough about economics to really understand what's happened with the economy, but it did start shitting the bed while Clinton was still in office, in early 2000 when the whole dot-com bubble finally burst. 
 
I actually think the last northern president was Ford, and he had a ton of charisma with the Whip Inflation Now buttons. I guess you could sort of count Reagan since he was born in Illinois, or Bush Sr. because he was born, raised and spent a lot of time in Connecticut.

Ndugu

05-28-2006, 11:41 AM

You are probably listening to too much Fox News and/or conservative talk radio. You are at least partially parroting republican talking points from the last election. The idea that criticizing a ruling parties short-comings is "bitching and complaining" is baulderdash. That very critiquing is critical to democracy & the "no solutions" part is crap too. It's an amateur debating technique which apparently, these days, seems to go a long way because many folks have been convinced to not use their brains. I don't think it's brainless to want to know the Democratic party's plans for the issues the country is facing. I'd love to see some ideas on an Iraq exit strategy, a plan to lower fuel prices, a plan to stem global warming, and a plan to stem the tide of illegal aliens entering this country. I'm not trying to be sarcastic, I would honestly read any links to any articles you may know of and some of them may very well sway my vote.

HBox

05-28-2006, 11:51 AM

jagsfans wrote: Bulldogcakes wrote: My sister was dying of breast cancer when this piece of shit announced he was restricting stem cell research. While stem cell research doesn't hold much promise for people with cancer, anyone who would put Pat Robertson's interpretation of religion over medical advances that can save/improve lives is beneath contempt IMO. Republicans have'nt restricted stem cell research. They simply limited federal funds from going to it.Think about it. If Stem cell research had the promise to cure Alzheimers, diabetes or paralysis don't you Pfizer, Bristol-Myers or GLaxoSmithKline would be spending unlimited funds to fund those advances. Imagine if someone comes out w/a cure for Alzheimers. All the baby boomers would drive that stock through the roof. The reality is stem cell research is not that promising, and the limiting of federal funding of it is not restricting it in any way. Private companies are free to spend as much money as they like on it. Just think about health advances made. Government is not the way to go. Private companies seeking monetary rewards is how advances are made.   Why in God's name would any pharamceutical company want a cure for diabetes? Would it make any sense for them to say goodbye to all the money they make treating it by coming up with a one-time cure? Pharamceutical companies are out to make a profit, period, end of story. And sometimes that does not serve the best interest of patients.Example: The Cystic Fibrosis Foundation has in the last 10 years been forced to fund its own research. Pharamceutical companies simply weren't interested in spending lots of money to possibly come up with a drug that would serve 30,000 people when they could instead come up with yet another cholesterol pill or a boner pill that could serve millions. It just doesn't make financial sense sometimes to fund research for people who really need it, which is where government funding comes in.You are fooling yourself if you think these companies 100% have your health as their number one concern. It isn't, they want profit, and vast majority of the time that coincides with improving health, but sometimes it doesn't, and when it doesn't people continue to suffer.

led37zep

05-28-2006, 11:51 AM

<hr width="100%" size="2" />Yes, I still like our president.  i hope that answers your question.

legroommusic

05-28-2006, 12:10 PM

I'm going to stand alone here and say that I like GW. I do disagree with his immigration policy, but I appreciate the way he sticks to his guns. Most people would abandon their agenda if poll numbers told them that they were wrong. I think that he's sincere in what he says and that the media paints him as incompetent. I'm actually registered as a democrat. My problem with democrats now is that they're complaining too much and not dealing with issues when it comes to them. I don't buy their stance with the middle class and I feel that they're always looking for photo ops. I have no problem with drilling in anwar. I don't mind a few birds disappearing rather that dealing with the assholes in the middle east or venezuela.

Dudeman

05-28-2006, 12:25 PM

jagsfans wrote: 
 The reality is
stem cell research is not that promising, and the limiting of federal
funding of it is not restricting it in any way. 
 what are you basing this statement on???????? <blockquote />

tele7

05-28-2006, 12:28 PM

legroommusic wrote: I don't mind a few birds disappearing rather that dealing with the assholes in the middle east or venezuela. One particular middle eastern asshole comes to mind.

Bulldogcakes

05-28-2006, 01:04 PM

zentraed wrote: NortonRules wrote: I agree with Bulldogcakes. The conservative stance on stem-cell research is mind-boggling and shameful. talk about irony. you attack global warming as a pointless liberal obsession, though nearly every scientific establishment and most governments around the world acknowledge it. But conservatives being against stem-cell research strikes you as mind-boggling. What's shameful is the poor level of scientific literacy in this country. THe scientific establishment agrees that global warming is occuring. It does not agree that we are the cause of it. Actually, there are about 5 different theories about the cause(s) from the sun to the oceans to the jet streams. And yes, to us as another possibility.  And I'm suspicious also of the people who argue that its due to human causes because these are all too often the same people who've been attacking capitalism every chance they get. Even those who are pushing the Kyoto protocol say that it is likely to have little to no effect on climate. They say because it doesn't go far enough. But it seems senseless to sign on to something that even its proponents are so unsure of.   

This message was edited by Bulldogcakes on 5-28-06 @ 5:15 PM

Bulldogcakes

05-28-2006, 01:12 PM

zentraed wrote: jagsfans wrote: Think about it. If Stem cell research had the promise to cure Alzheimers, diabetes or paralysis don't you Pfizer, Bristol-Myers or GLaxoSmithKline would be spending unlimited funds to fund those advances. Imagine if someone comes out w/a cure for Alzheimers. All the baby boomers would drive that stock through the roof. The reality is stem cell research is not that promising, and the limiting of federal funding of it is not restricting it in any way. Private companies are free to spend as much money as they like on it. Just think about health advances made. Government is not the way to go. Private companies seeking monetary rewards is how advances are made. Pharmaceutical companies don't do the basic research. That's mostly funded by the fed in the form of NIH grants. Since they are private companies, they have to focus on developing products and getting them on the market, not answering basic questions like this.When you cut off federal funds, you cut off university-based researchers. When you cut off the researchers, you also cut off the graduate students who would work under them and go on to extend the work. This sets back the field considerably. But on the bright side, it's given China and Korea another area to gain an advantage over us in the next decade.  You got to it before I did Zentra. Agree with every word. The big companies do alot more marketing and product development than basic research. That's left to Gov't funded research and/or Universities. Because its unlikely to produce results you can put on your balalce sheet next quarter. So you're killing a potential new drug therapy "in the womb" so to speak.   <blockquote />

NortonRules

05-28-2006, 01:45 PM

Please don't act like global warming and stem cell research are one in the same and deserve the same amount of respect.Stem cell research could possibly and probably save and help many lives.  Global warming and how it's presented in the media is a complete sham.  For the media - it's the story they've been looking for forever - the sky is falling.  Hey are so happy to pile on this made up story.  For the liberals - it's another way to attack capitalism.  they know they have the media on their side and they are running with it knowing that the average american won't do any research on the topic.  The liberals love making completely false statements because they know the lazy and biased media has their back and won't question them.

HBox

05-28-2006, 01:59 PM

NortonRules wrote: Please don't act like global warming and stem cell research are one in the same and deserve the same amount of respect.Stem cell research could possibly and probably save and help many lives. Global warming and how it's presented in the media is a complete sham. For the media - it's the story they've been looking for forever - the sky is falling. Hey are so happy to pile on this made up story. For the liberals - it's another way to attack capitalism. they know they have the media on their side and they are running with it knowing that the average american won't do any research on the topic. The liberals love making completely false statements because they know the lazy and biased media has their back and won't question them.   Well, it sounds like you got everything figured out.

Dudeman

05-28-2006, 01:59 PM

NortonRules wrote: 
Global
warming and how it's presented in the media is a complete sham.  
what are you basing this on?

legroommusic

05-28-2006, 02:32 PM

telecaster7 wrote: legroommusic wrote: I don't mind a few birds disappearing rather that dealing with the assholes in the middle east or venezuela. One particular middle eastern asshole comes to mind.is there an inside joke that I'm not privy to?

ADF

05-28-2006, 02:56 PM

George Bush is the worst president ever.  I would vote for Nixon before I voted for Bush.

SatCam

05-28-2006, 02:57 PM

I told you so

Tenbatsuzen

05-28-2006, 03:03 PM

ADF wrote: George Bush is the worst president ever. I would vote for Nixon before I voted for Bush.    Nixon, outside of the Watergate problem, was actually a pretty decent president.

narc

05-28-2006, 03:04 PM

<hr color="cococo" align="left">ADF wrote: George Bush is the worst president ever. I would vote for Nixon before I voted for Bush. <hr color="cococo" align="left">
 
Nixon might be my favorite president of all time. Just because I think he provided I think the most humor. Really a standup wit - the only sitting President to appear on a comedy program. And aside from the whole watergate thing, he did a pretty good job too.
 
As an aside, I didn't vote for Bush in 2000. I was registered in New York too, so I figured why bother. So I wrote-in who I really wanted to see - John McCain.

FUNKMAN

05-28-2006, 03:23 PM

Tenbatsuzen wrote:  ADF wrote: George Bush is the worst president ever. I would vote for Nixon before I voted for Bush.    Nixon, outside of the Watergate problem, was actually a pretty decent president.   and he had a good relationship with<img height="400" src="http://www.jedroot.com/fashion/if/celeb/art/chyna-talk-060700-02.jpg" width="302" border="0" />

TheMojoPin

05-28-2006, 03:29 PM

Iraq is a mess, but not as big a mess as the mass liberal media is telling you.  There is a lot of progress.  There was also plenty of proof of WMD's, but the mass liberal media buried those stories.The amount of baseless paranoia in that quote is damn near insanity.  Why is it if a guy on the street screams that there's a massive conspiracy involving movie stars, "the media" and shadowy businessmen all out to get him or "hide the truth," we'd all pretty much laugh it off and figure he's nuts...but sit someone behind a microphone and pay them to say it it's all of a sudden "the truth?"  Yowza...Please provide us with some links to these buried stories/proof.It's Saddam's fault we're in the war.Just because you decide that your neighbor is going to kill you, and then you go and kill him first "just in case" without a shred of proof to show why you were in the right, it's still murder.And yes, I read the rest of the post, so please no spin about how I'm "defending Saddam" or "attacking white people" or God knows what other insightful catch phrase we'll be delighted with next.  Bottom line, we had zero "real" reason to attack Iraq when we did without looking like massive hypocrites or idiots...or both.  Saddam IS a monster...you won't find anyone disagreeing with that.  But if you go and take him out, then you pretty much have to go invade at least a dozen other countries this instant if the argument amounts to "he's an evil douchebag."  This is the real world...the US can't be a crazy cowboy, bustin' in and shootin' things up just for kicks wherever we feel like it.  The world doesn't work like that.  Bush gambled on two things...that the support of 9/11 would carry over into Iraq and that something even close to resembling WMD's would be found.  He lost on both, big time, and his administration didn't properly plan with the thinking that those options would fail.  THAT'S why people get pissed and say things like "Bush is responsible for these deaths."  Yeah, of course he's not pulling the trigger...but the lack of planning and strategy and allies and an exit plan are getting Americans are innocent Iraqis killed every day.  That's awful, and there's no excuse for it.  He screwed up, and now tens of thousands of people are dead who shouldn't be and wouldn't be.

jagsfans

05-28-2006, 03:53 PM

I am not ignorant to the fact that pharmacutical companies are motivated by profit.  That is also why I feel as many scientists have also speculated that stem cell research may not be as promising asothers think it is.  There is certainly more money in treating a problem than curing it, but I find it hard to believe that R&D is so restricted at these companies that if stem cells were a miricle cure that they wouldnt pour money into it.

trackstand

05-28-2006, 04:08 PM

NO!

Death Metal Moe

05-28-2006, 04:08 PM

led37zep wrote: <hr width="100%" size="2" />Yes, I still like our president.  i hope that answers your question. Actually you didn't answer anthing.  People have been discussing their opinions in here and you just dropped these 2 sentences without backing yourself up at all.Why don't ya tell us WHY you still like him.

SatCam

05-28-2006, 04:11 PM

Death Metal Moe wrote: led37zep wrote: <hr width="100%" size="2" />Yes, I still like our president. i hope that answers your question. Actually you didn't answer anthing. People have been discussing their opinions in here and you just dropped these 2 sentences without backing yourself up at all.Why don't ya tell us WHY you still like him.

At age 60, this dude can still turn heads

http://www-tc.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/choice2004/art/p_bushmainp.jpg?mii=1

damn sexy

no homo

Don Stugots

05-28-2006, 04:23 PM

<hr color="cococo" align="left">Yerdaddy wrote: STUGOTS1 wrote: Stank, do you think the guy wasnt up to no good over there? he was no humanitarin i assure you. The idea of the WMD came up while Clinton (who i did vote for twice) was in office. Make no mistake, going to war with Iraq was on Bush's agend since the day he took office. i am in no way a Bush supporter or a republican by any means. I think the only time I voted for the GOP was for Rudy for Mayor. Other than that, dont vote because I think they are all the same guy just with different spin on non issues. It's not that not having WMD made him a humanitarian. He was a piece of shit. But according to the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_Survey_Group" target="_self">Iraq Survey Group</a> (the Bush administration's own inspectors with full access to Iraq), there was no evidence of weapons smuggled out before the war. So, if you believe this, what do you base the belief on? It's significant because it leads to the core issue of whether we were lied into a war or whether this was a big, stupid, honest mistake. And I'm trying to figure out why people still have any faith at all in this White House.<hr color="cococo" align="left">

it was openly said on various news programs at the time that they WMD were smuggled out by the truck load to neighboring countries, turkey and syria, i believe. Until I read the info that you linked, i still thought that was the case. I clearly was wrong. I was not towing the PARTIES line, since I am not a republican, i based it on the information that was at hand.

This message was edited by STUGOTS1 on 5-28-06 @ 8:26 PM

TheQuestion

05-28-2006, 05:06 PM

The Democrats are looking this way, the Republicans are looking the other way, and this guy's in the middle saying "What do you want from me?" <img border="0" src="http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d16/TheQuestion202/bush_shrugssm.jpg" />

Don Stugots

05-28-2006, 06:48 PM

you made me laugh so hard that chocolate milk came out my nose. thanks, i needed that.

tele7

05-28-2006, 07:00 PM

legroommusic wrote: telecaster7 wrote: legroommusic wrote: I don't mind a few birds disappearing rather that dealing with the assholes in the middle east or venezuela. One particular middle eastern asshole comes to mind.is there an inside joke that I'm not privy to? <img src="http://www.tconl.com/~traudt/images/osama_bin_laden.jpg" border="0" />Not too inside.  Almost 5 years and counting.

Plethora

05-29-2006, 12:09 AM

TheQuestion wrote: The Democrats are looking this way, the Republicans are looking the other way, and this guy's in the middle saying "What do you want from me?" <img border="0" src="http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d16/TheQuestion202/bush_shrugssm.jpg" />  If I had a screen cap of the painting in Joe Pesci's character's mother's house in Goodfellas I would post it here.Meanwhile, I'm chuckling & thinking... "Hey, things aren't so bad..."

Plethora

05-29-2006, 12:11 AM

Tenbatsuzen wrote: ADF wrote: George Bush is the worst president ever. I would vote for Nixon before I voted for Bush. Nixon, outside of the Watergate problem, was actually a pretty decent president.   So Mrs. Lincoln, other than that, how did you enjoy the play?

TheQuestion

05-29-2006, 04:50 AM

CaptClown

05-29-2006, 06:17 AM

Hell yeah, I do.

A.J.

05-30-2006, 03:21 AM

No. Bring back the British monarchy.

Furtherman

05-30-2006, 05:50 AM

It seems to me that too many people felt forced to take a political side during the last election.  People didn't spend enough time looking at the man they were voting for.  They simply stood by their party and were most likely disgusted by the other sides tactics.  If people were a little less sheepish and a little more pro-active, they might have seen Bush for what he really is...  a spoiled brat who has misguided interests and is just overall not a very bright person.What did you expect voting for this man?  It still mistifys me that he is still in office.

IamFogHat

05-30-2006, 05:54 AM

Dougie Brootal

05-30-2006, 07:33 AM

NortonRules wrote: I agree with Bulldogcakes. The conservative stance on stem-cell research is mind-boggling and shameful.agreed. i have diabetes, which could more than likley be cured with advances in stem cell research . but because some fucking christians decide that its "wrong" i am doomed to a life of needles, bloodsugar test strips, amputations and the never ending rising cost of medical supplies. i already spend $400 a month on insulin, needles, test strips, etc. it never ends. i hate religion.

Marc with a c

05-30-2006, 07:37 AM

douggrasso wrote: ... i have diabetes,  i have my own radio show

Jujubees2

05-30-2006, 07:59 AM

In response to Global Warming, just about every scientist worth his or her salt is telling us that it is a real phenomenon.  People who refuse to accept that are drinking the same Kool-Aid as the administration, you know, the administration that said the air at the World Trade Center was perfectly fine after 9/11. Didn't vote for either Bush and wouldn't if they were the only ones on the ballot.

This message was edited by Jujubees2 on 5-30-06 @ 12:00 PM

Dougie Brootal

05-30-2006, 08:05 AM

evedder wrote: douggrasso wrote: ... i have diabetes,  i have my own radio show  hahahahahahahahaha! that was pretty funny! thats my favorite ronnie b. line!

Furtherman

05-30-2006, 09:50 AM

NortonRules wrote: I didn't vote for him either time.  I'm ashamed to say I voted for Kerry.  He stood for nothing and had no solutions.  He also had worse grades in college than Bush, but that wasn't revealed until after the election...how convenient.  Iraq is a mess, but not as big a mess as the mass liberal media is telling you.  There is a lot of progress.  There was also plenty of proof of WMD's, but the mass liberal media buried those stories.  I don't like how every time there's a death over there that Bush gets blamed.  Why don't we blame Saddam or the animals that did it instead?  It's Saddam's fault we're in the war.  It's the liberal way to blame 'white people' for what others do.Actually, Kerry had about the same grade average for four years as Bush, but it was his Freshman year that really killed his average.  He, as well as Bush, gradually improved their grades until senior year.  But as anyone who went to college knows - grades don't mean shit - it is largely how hard you work and who you know to get anywhere.  Kerry went on to be a top student at Naval Candidate School, command a patrol boat in Vietnam, graduate from law school, and become a prosecutor, lieutenant governor, US senator, and presidential candidate.  Bush had his daddy to help him through.  He skipped Vietnam.  He has worked no where near as hard in his life as Kerry, or most other politians.     Liberal media?  Where?  Please, show me where.  I would love to see ONE example.  And every soldier that dies in Iraq IS Bush's fault.  Why would it be Saddam's?  Did he attack us?  Did he fire a shot into a US base that killed one of us?  Liberal media?  Did you know the FCC is investigating dozens of television stations for broadcasting items produced by the Bush administration and major corporations, and passing them off as normal news?  It's happening, but I don't recall seeing this reported in ANY American news, but it is being reported overseas.. or are they just all "liberal" as well?

Ndugu

05-30-2006, 10:41 AM

Liberal media?  Did you know the FCC is investigating dozens of television stations for broadcasting items produced by the Bush administration and major corporations, and passing them off as normal news?  Link?

LordJezo

05-30-2006, 10:51 AM

I still think Bush is pretty great. He's still blowing stuff up in the middle east so I am quite happy with where things are. I do wish he would just throw out every illegal, completely level the middle east with nukes, and put land mines on the border to blow anyone up who tried to sneak in.. but besides for that he's doing a pretty good job. Economy is buzzing and I get to play my video games. No real complaints outside of the Mexican issue.  He's brought God back into our culture and doing a good job of keeping the heathens down. 

This message was edited by LordJezo on 5-30-06 @ 2:53 PM

Furtherman

05-30-2006, 10:53 AM

Ndugu wrote: Liberal media?  Did you know the FCC is investigating dozens of television stations for broadcasting items produced by the Bush administration and major corporations, and passing them off as normal news?    Link? Would I lie to you?  Just Google "FCC Fake News", and you'll see a lot of reports on this... or just check these out:<a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/search/story.cfm?storyid=0005AD07-276A-147A-9D9C83027AF1002A" target="_blank">American TV stations in 'fake news' inquiry</a><a href="http://www.prwatch.org/fakenews/execsummary" target="_blank">Fake TV News - Widespread and Undisclosed</a>

narc

05-30-2006, 10:56 AM

See, I have no problem with immigration. Take all the mexicans who want to come I say. But what I don't think we should do is give them a lot of the benefits that they can get just by being here. If you're here illegally, you should get NONE of the benefits of being a citizen - no welfare, no public housing, no food stamps, etc. Only by going through the citizenship process do you become entitled to all those nice things. I think that would help sort out the immigration problem.

Furtherman

05-30-2006, 10:56 AM

LordJezo wrote: I still think Bush is pretty great. He's still blowing stuff up in the middle east so I am quite happy with where things are. I do wish he would just throw out every illegal, completely level the middle east with nukes, and put land mines on the border to blow anyone up who tried to sneak in.. but besides for that he's doing a pretty good job. Economy is buzzing and I get to play my video games. No real complaints outside of the Mexican issue.  He's brought God back into our culture and doing a good job of keeping the heathens down. This message was edited by LordJezo on 5-30-06 @ 2:53 PM He's still blowing stuff up.  Is he?  Real mature.  Land mines?  Do you?Bringing god into his presidency is a big part of the problem we are in today.Play your video games.

LordJezo

05-30-2006, 11:36 AM

Furtherman wrote: LordJezo wrote: I still think Bush is pretty great. He's still blowing stuff up in the middle east so I am quite happy with where things are. I do wish he would just throw out every illegal, completely level the middle east with nukes, and put land mines on the border to blow anyone up who tried to sneak in.. but besides for that he's doing a pretty good job. Economy is buzzing and I get to play my video games. No real complaints outside of the Mexican issue. He's brought God back into our culture and doing a good job of keeping the heathens down. This message was edited by LordJezo on 5-30-06 @ 2:53 PM He's still blowing stuff up. Is he? Real mature. Land mines? Do you?Bringing god into his presidency is a big part of the problem we are in today.Play your video games.  Hey, not my fault you are a radical lefty and hate what Bush stands for.  Bush is doing what us right wing people want him to do.  God and family.  And yes, land mines.  They are trying to break the law and storm out country, destroying our culture and what makes America great.  They need to fear coming here.  We go too easy on them.

Furtherman

05-30-2006, 11:41 AM

LordJezo wrote: Hey, not my fault you are a radical lefty and hate what Bush stands for.  Bush is doing what us right wing people want him to do.  God and family.  And yes, land mines.  They are trying to break the law and storm out country, destroying our culture and what makes America great.  They need to fear coming here.  We go too easy on them. Radical lefty?  Example please.  Or is anyone who disagrees with Bush a "radical lefty"?  That seems to be your way of thinking.  It's about as realistic as a god.  And stop with the land mines.  That is short bus to school mentality.  Unless you are 14, then.. well... you'll learn eventually.

Ndugu

05-30-2006, 11:52 AM

Is it the government's fault for releasing these VNRs or is it the media's fault for playing them?

Ndugu

05-30-2006, 11:57 AM

<img src="http://www.avoc.info/files/CNN-Cheney.X.11.21.05.jpg" border="0" />Liberal media?  Where?  Please, show me where.  I would love to see ONE example.

Furtherman

05-30-2006, 11:58 AM

Ndugu wrote: Is it the government's fault for releasing these VNRs or is it the media's fault for playing them? Both.  The government and corporations should not be allowed to make them.  The media should not be allowed to air them.  To blame one would negate any point of it being wrong.

Furtherman

05-30-2006, 12:00 PM

Ndugu wrote: <img src="http://www.avoc.info/files/CNN-Cheney.X.11.21.05.jpg" border="0" /> Liberal media?  Where?  Please, show me where.  I would love to see ONE example.  Technical error.  It happens all the time, but because it happened to Cheney makes an entire network a 24 hour "liberal" network.  Please.  Let's have a legitimate example.

Ndugu

05-30-2006, 12:02 PM

I watch a lot of cable news, i have never seen a big x just pop on the screen for no apparent reason.

FezPaul

05-30-2006, 12:11 PM

Furtherman wrote: Ndugu wrote: Is it the government's fault for releasing these VNRs or is it the media's fault for playing them? Both.  The government and corporations should not be allowed to make them.  The media should not be allowed to air them.  To blame one would negate any point of it being wrong.  Yeah, let's repeal that pesky first amendment!

booster11373

05-30-2006, 12:14 PM

Now this the way it most likely has always been but...Our government in its current form is a fucking joke there are some many problems I don't know where to begin.Most of our citizens are fucking morons who know who the finalist on American Idol are but don't know there representatives.This Government is bought and paid for by Business and Industry.The people who are in charge of making reforms are the same ones who profit from the current system... Congress.Actual debate of issues has been replaced by morons shouting at each other on cable TV programs.I cant stress the NON INVOLMENT OF OUR CITIZENS ENOUGH. WE ARE TO BLAME.Yes I am ANGRY TYPING GUY!!!

Furtherman

05-30-2006, 12:15 PM

Ndugu wrote: I watch a lot of cable news, i have never seen a big x just pop on the screen for no apparent reason. But haven't you seen the weather guy go to show a map and a traffic pattern comes up?  A reporter is shown live at the scene and the wrong name is displayed?  A picture from a news site inverted?  Those color bars instead of a live feed?  Yes, these things happen all the time, because human error is still prevalent in these situations - computers aren't running the whole show.And I'd bet you do watch a lot of cable news and yes, you never saw a big X.  Did you see that one on Cheney?  Did you?  Because it was on there for one-seventh of a second.  Literally, a blink and you'll miss it moment.Or did you just see the screen shot of the one-seventh of a second ?  Do you know what the X was meant for?  It is a place holding marker used to cue up graphics.  Whenever you see graphics on a news screen, there is that X behind them.  What happens when someone improperly links a graphic on this board?  Same thing.So please, spare me your Limbauesqe and O'Reillyese knee jerk reaction to a simple mistake that could have happened anytime.  Still waiting for that example of a liberal media.

Ndugu

05-30-2006, 12:15 PM

I ONLY WANT MY NEWS PROGRAMS SHOWING PICTURES OF KITTIES AND TITS ALL DAY!

Furtherman

05-30-2006, 12:16 PM

FezPaul wrote: Furtherman wrote: Ndugu wrote: Is it the government's fault for releasing these VNRs or is it the media's fault for playing them? Both.  The government and corporations should not be allowed to make them.  The media should not be allowed to air them.  To blame one would negate any point of it being wrong.  Yeah, let's repeal that pesky first amendment!That's not what I meant.  I meant that the executive producer of any news outlet should have the smarts, and ethics, not to air a produced segment - other than their own, and truthful at that.

Ndugu

05-30-2006, 12:17 PM

So please, spare me your Limbauesqe and O'Reillyese knee jerk reaction to a simple mistake that could have happened anytime.  i don't listen to those guys

Furtherman

05-30-2006, 12:19 PM

booster11373 wrote: Most of our citizens are fucking morons who know who the finalist on American Idol are but don't know there representatives.This Government is bought and paid for by Business and Industry.How profoundly true.Every four years the naive half who vote are encouraged to believe that if we can elect a really nice man or woman President everything will be all right. But it won't be. Any individual who is able to raise $25 million to be considered presidential is not going to be much use to the people at large. He will represent oil, or aerospace, or banking, or whatever moneyed entities are paying for him. Certainly he will never represent the people of the country, and they know it. Gore Vidal

Furtherman

05-30-2006, 12:20 PM

Ndugu wrote:  So please, spare me your Limbauesqe and O'Reillyese knee jerk reaction to a simple mistake that could have happened anytime.   i don't listen to those guysGood.  And I hope you would never use the Cheney X as a liberal media example again.

Ndugu

05-30-2006, 12:22 PM

Good.  And I hope you would never use the Cheney X as a liberal media example again.i'll do whatever i want sir

Furtherman

05-30-2006, 12:24 PM

Ndugu wrote:  Good.  And I hope you would never use the Cheney X as a liberal media example again.  i'll do whatever i want sirMy, how liberal of you.<img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/wink.gif" border="0" />

Marc with a c

05-30-2006, 12:27 PM

Does anyone here like our president? jersey rich is ok in my book.

Ndugu

05-30-2006, 12:36 PM

My, how liberal of you.stop categorizing me . . .

booster11373

05-30-2006, 12:36 PM

I also realize how powerless the people who actually vote are.The Media and Political parties have fucking divided the country by colors they didn't do that during the fucking Civil War. (that's a stretch I know)If your Red in a Blue state why even vote your state is already locked up,your vote means nothing. and vice versa if your Blue in a red.Another that really pisses me off is how people love to let themselves get divided by race.I got news for all you fucking white trash hayseeds you have more in common with a BLACK MAN then you will ever have with Rich WHITE PEOPLE

Ndugu

05-30-2006, 12:41 PM

A CNN switchboard operator was fired over the holiday -- after the operator claimed the 'X' placed over Vice President's Dick Cheney's face was "free speech!" "We did it just to make a point. Tell them to stop lying, Bush and Cheney," the CNN operator said to a caller. "Bring our soldiers home." The caller initially phoned the network to complain about the all-news channel flashing an "X' over Cheney as he gave an address live from Washington. "Was it not freedom of speech? Yes or No?" the CNN operator explained. "If you don't like it, don't watch." <img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/wacko.gif" border="0" />

Jujubees2

05-30-2006, 12:48 PM

booster11373 wrote: Now this the way it most likely has always been but...Our government in its current form is a fucking joke there are some many problems I don't know where to begin.Most of our citizens are fucking morons who know who the finalist on American Idol are but don't know there representatives.This Government is bought and paid for by Business and Industry.The people who are in charge of making reforms are the same ones who profit from the current system... Congress.Actual debate of issues has been replaced by morons shouting at each other on cable TV programs.I cant stress the NON INVOLMENT OF OUR CITIZENS ENOUGH. WE ARE TO BLAME.Yes I am ANGRY TYPING GUY!!!The only way to get rid of business and industry from running the country is to go to publicly financed elections.  Stop all donations to politicians from business and individuals and let each politician run with the same piggy bank so that the ultra-rich politicos who are independently wealthy don’t have a huge advantage over everyone else.  And make the networks air political ads for free.  I know it's dream, but if you're going to dream, dream big.

Furtherman

05-30-2006, 12:53 PM

Ndugu wrote:  A CNN switchboard operator was fired over the holiday -- after the operator claimed the 'X' placed over Vice President's Dick Cheney's face was "free speech!" "We did it just to make a point. Tell them to stop lying, Bush and Cheney," the CNN operator said to a caller. "Bring our soldiers home." The caller initially phoned the network to complain about the all-news channel flashing an "X' over Cheney as he gave an address live from Washington. "Was it not freedom of speech? Yes or No?" the CNN operator explained. "If you don't like it, don't watch."  <img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/wacko.gif" border="0" />Uh huh.  Right.  And where did you get this?

Ndugu

05-30-2006, 12:55 PM

Laurie Goldberg, Senior Vice President for Public Relations with CNN, said in a release: "A Turner switchboard operator was fired today after we were alerted to a conversation the operator had with a caller in which the operator lost his temper and expressed his personal views -- behavior that was totally inappropriate. His comments did not reflect the views of CNN. We are reaching out to the caller and expressing our deep regret to her and apologizing that she did not get the courtesy entitled to her. " <img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/wacko.gif" border="0" />

wonderwoman

05-30-2006, 01:06 PM

NO

Furtherman

05-30-2006, 01:09 PM

Ndugu wrote:  Laurie Goldberg, Senior Vice President for Public Relations with CNN, said in a release: "A Turner switchboard operator was fired today after we were alerted to a conversation the operator had with a caller in which the operator lost his temper and expressed his personal views -- behavior that was totally inappropriate. His comments did not reflect the views of CNN. We are reaching out to the caller and expressing our deep regret to her and apologizing that she did not get the courtesy entitled to her. "  <img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/wacko.gif" border="0" />Ok, you don't want to tell me where you got this - let me do a search... oh, here it is on Drudgereport.com, the first link to come up.  Drudge Report was first to bring to attention the "X" incident AND they said the X was flashed repeatedly.... which it was not.  It flashed ONCE, for less than a second.  What you are pointing out here is one incident involving a switchboard operator.   A person who probably never even saw the television studio unless he took a public tour.  This guy lost his temper with a caller, the last thing a switchboard operator should do, so he was rightly fired.  This by no means is an example of a liberal media.Looks like that liberal media example is a long wait for a train that don't come.

Ndugu

05-30-2006, 01:12 PM

NOThat's just like you're opinion man.<img height="200" src="http://cuboidal.org/movies/scenes/biglebowski/images/3-dudeoncouch.jpg" width="358" border="0" />

Ndugu

05-30-2006, 01:14 PM

Looks like that liberal media example is a long wait for a train that don't come.i never claimed there was a liberal media i just started throwin shit out i found on google

Furtherman

05-30-2006, 01:18 PM

Ndugu wrote: Looks like that liberal media example is a long wait for a train that don't come.  i never claimed there was a liberal media i just started throwin shit out i found on googleNortonRules claimed the liberal media.  But you tired to give some examples.  Throwin shit indeed.

TheMojoPin

05-30-2006, 01:20 PM

The "switchboard operator" most likely does not exist.  The report and supposed recording of a CNN phone operator saying what Ndugu described never climbed above the level of the most muckrakiest conservative blog sites.  A number of conservative blog sites went out of their way to actually denounce the non-story of the likely faked recording.  It's neo-con spin at it's ugliest and worst.  Seriously, Fox News gleefully reported on the "X incident" for several nights and even they never brought up the operator rumor, and they conceded that it was obviously the result of a technical error...just like CNN said.  Fox uses the same type of technology with their video/graphics/photos.  Do you really think that if the operator story was even POSSIBLY true, Fox and its pundits wouldn't have gone nuts over it?

Ndugu

05-30-2006, 01:23 PM

NortonRules claimed the liberal media.  But you tired to give some examples.  Throwin shit indeed.you tellin' me my business?

Furtherman

05-30-2006, 01:25 PM

That doesn't make sense either.

Ndugu

05-30-2006, 01:26 PM

That doesn't make sense either.exactly, that's the point

Furtherman

05-30-2006, 01:28 PM

Ndugu wrote: <img src="http://www.avoc.info/files/CNN-Cheney.X.11.21.05.jpg" border="0" /> Liberal media?  Where?  Please, show me where.  I would love to see ONE example.  Here you are, telling me your business, I guess.  I'm just stating the fact that you tired to give an example of a liberal media.  Nice try.

angrymissy

05-30-2006, 01:29 PM

Are you being facetious? 
                 LordJezo wrote:  I still think Bush is pretty great. He's still blowing stuff up in the middle east so I am quite happy with where things are. I
do wish he would just throw out every illegal, completely level the
middle east with nukes, and put land mines on the border to blow anyone
up who tried to sneak in.. but besides for that he's doing a pretty
good job. Economy is buzzing and I get to play my video games. No
real complaints outside of the Mexican issue. He's brought God back
into our culture and doing a good job of keeping the heathens down. 

This message was edited by LordJezo on 5-30-06 @ 2:53 PM <blockquote />

Ndugu

05-30-2006, 01:30 PM

Here you are, telling me your business, I guess.  I'm just stating the fact that you tired to give an example of a liberal media.  Nice try.look, i'm pretty sure i never tired anything

Furtherman

05-30-2006, 01:32 PM

Ndugu wrote:  Here you are, telling me your business, I guess.  I'm just stating the fact that you tired to give an example of a liberal media.  Nice try.  look, i'm pretty sure i never tired anythingAhh yes, true.  But ironically, the example you gave are tired arguments of people who say there is a liberal media.

Ndugu

05-30-2006, 01:34 PM

Ahh yes, true.  But ironically, the example you gave are tired arguments of people who say there is a liberal media.  what kind of idiot would do that?<img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/down.gif" border="0" />

angrymissy

05-30-2006, 01:35 PM

You do realize that your previous posts in this thread were rife with grammatical errors, right? your - a possessive, similar to mine, his, her as in "your
loose slut of a sister loses her mind every time she
gets railroaded by your whole inbred, shitbag excuse of a family",
NO FUCKING APOSTROPHE 
you're - a contraction of "you are", as in
"you're a dipshit", A FUCKING APOSTROPHE 
  Ndugu wrote:  Here
you are, telling me your business, I guess. I'm just stating the fact
that you tired to give an example of a liberal media. Nice try. look, i'm pretty sure i never tired anything <blockquote />

Ndugu

05-30-2006, 01:36 PM

it was a joke ma'am

LordJezo

05-30-2006, 01:49 PM

Furtherman wrote: LordJezo wrote: Hey, not my fault you are a radical lefty and hate what Bush stands for. Bush is doing what us right wing people want him to do. God and family. And yes, land mines. They are trying to break the law and storm out country, destroying our culture and what makes America great. They need to fear coming here. We go too easy on them. Radical lefty? Example please. Or is anyone who disagrees with Bush a "radical lefty"? That seems to be your way of thinking. It's about as realistic as a god. And stop with the land mines. That is short bus to school mentality. Unless you are 14, then.. well... you'll learn eventually. Short bus?  Yeah, keeping illegal terrorist out of my country is the short bus way of thinking.  I like your little dig against God too.  Shows how much of a terrorist loving hippy you really are.  They can chop off the heads of our boys but you just welcome them into our country to take our jobs. And I dont need studies or reports to tell me the media is totally liberal.  The only channel I can even stomach any more is Fox News.  CNN is a joke, total Dem propaganda, I tried watching it but it made me sick to my stomach.  I am glad its failing and Fox News is destroying everyone in the ratings..  Its just leftish talk all day long.  Thankfully we have people like Savage, Hannity, and Bob Grant to tell people the truth instead of just preaching the hate of Al Gore and Dean.

Ndugu

05-30-2006, 01:53 PM

Short bus?  Yeah, keeping illegal terrorist out of my country is the short bus way of thinking.  I like your little dig against God too.  Shows how much of a terrorist loving hippy you really are.  They can chop off the heads of our boys but you just welcome them into our country to take our jobs. And I dont need studies or reports to tell me the media is totally liberal.  The only channel I can even stomach any more is Fox News.  CNN is a joke, total Dem propaganda, I tried watching it but it made me sick to my stomach.  I am glad its failing and Fox News is destroying everyone in the ratings..  Its just leftish talk all day long.  Thankfully we have people like Savage, Hannity, and Bob Grant to tell people the truth instead of just preaching the hate of Al Gore and Dean. Good god sir<img src="http://www.jamesshuggins.com/i/hum1/burnout.jpg" border="0" />

angrymissy

05-30-2006, 01:54 PM

I don't believe in God, so why should it be shoved down my throat?  Bush is being anti-american by bringing God into the mix.Land mines are horrific and should be outlawed.

TheMojoPin

05-30-2006, 02:00 PM

LordJezo has attempted to be trollish in a good 75% of his posts ever since he showed up here.  It's best not let him get under your skin.  When people say stuff THAT over the top and cliche...meh.  It's obviously not true.

This message was edited by TheMojoPin on 5-30-06 @ 6:03 PM

Ndugu

05-30-2006, 02:03 PM

<a href="http://www.state.gov/t/pm/rls/fs/30044.htm">http://www.state.gov/t/pm/rls/fs/30044.htm</a>stuff for YOUR post on landmines

TheMojoPin

05-30-2006, 02:04 PM

And...?The issue people like Missy and myself have is the banning of landmines altogether.  Your link does nothing to disprove that.  They're an antiquated and unecessary weapon at this point and cause FAR more harm than "good."

Ndugu

05-30-2006, 02:07 PM

i wasn't trying to disprove anyone, i just posted something i read about landmines and the us stance on them

LordJezo

05-30-2006, 04:11 PM

TheMojoPin wrote: LordJezo has attempted to be trollish in a good 75% of his posts ever since he showed up here. It's best not let him get under your skin. When people say stuff THAT over the top and cliche...meh. It's obviously not true.

This message was edited by TheMojoPin on 5-30-06 @ 6:03 PM  Trollish on the issue?  Not this time.  Just listen to radio hosts like Bob Grant or Savage and you'll hear the same stuff I am saying.  Borders.  Language.  Culture.  I am pretty far out in right field and take all this stuff seriously.   I am sure we have come up with some new land mine tech since Vietnam.  Just put up warning signs letting everyone know it's land mine area.  Put up fences and gates and razor wire.  If they still feel the need to break into our country illegally then so be it.  Nothing else seems to work with the Mexicans trying to get in.  They wont stop, their leaders are telling them to go, they are breaking our laws.  This is one place Bush needs to stop being a moron, shut down the borders and stop talking about giving them a reward for breaking our laws.  America was founded on God's good Word and should remain that way.

Plethora

05-30-2006, 04:24 PM

Tenbatsuzen

05-30-2006, 04:32 PM

Plethora wrote: <img width="225" height="223" border="0" src="http://img.engadget.com/common/images/3060000000048643.JPG?0.9199952607797859" />   <blockquote />    RIBS! DRIPPING IN SAUCE!  FALLING OFF THE BONE!!

Furtherman

05-31-2006, 06:31 AM

LordJezo wrote:  TheMojoPin wrote: LordJezo has attempted to be trollish in a good 75% of his posts ever since he showed up here. It's best not let him get under your skin. When people say stuff THAT over the top and cliche...meh. It's obviously not true. This message was edited by TheMojoPin on 5-30-06 @ 6:03 PM   Trollish on the issue?  Not this time.  Just listen to radio hosts like Bob Grant or Savage and you'll hear the same stuff I am saying.  Borders.  Language.  Culture.  I am pretty far out in right field and take all this stuff seriously.   I am sure we have come up with some new land mine tech since Vietnam.  Just put up warning signs letting everyone know it's land mine area.  Put up fences and gates and razor wire.  If they still feel the need to break into our country illegally then so be it.  Nothing else seems to work with the Mexicans trying to get in.  They wont stop, their leaders are telling them to go, they are breaking our laws.  This is one place Bush needs to stop being a moron, shut down the borders and stop talking about giving them a reward for breaking our laws.  America was founded on God's good Word and should remain that way. god's good word... how naive are you?  Have you ever even questioned the myth?  Do yourself a favor a look into it.  You'll see how it was all created by man for power and controll.  And if we were to place land mines on our borders... then we would be no better then the ones who behead us.  Yea... Bob Grant & Savage, FOX News.  You're brainwashed.  Common sense is the cure.  How about forming your own opinions.  But I think it has been said.  No one can be that over the top ignorant.

LordJezo

05-31-2006, 07:17 AM

Furtherman wrote: Yea... Bob Grant & Savage, FOX News. You're brainwashed. Common sense is the cure. How about forming your own opinions. But I think it has been said. No one can be that over the top ignorant.  So left libral thinking is good and right conservative thinking is brainwashed and ignorant.  Everything I hear from the people and stations I mentioned seem like great ideas and good values and truths to base this country on. That's the way it seems to be with all of the Democrats, do nothing but attack the right and what they stand for.  You just keep following behind your leader Dean.  I'll stick with the good conservative party and follow what I know is right.

Furtherman

05-31-2006, 07:30 AM

Again, naiveness... my leader Dean?  Get this foxboy, I've always voted Republican until the obvious, plain as can see aloofness and ignorance of Bush and his administration (notice how so many leave?) came into power.  Blind faith will get you nowhere but disappointment with these guys.You argument is invalid.  Anyone who disagrees is obviously a "lefty liberal" or a "Dean follower".  You reveal the problem that will define our president, and why less and less people "like" him, rather, lose respect and see what he is only capable of: willful ignorance.

This message was edited by Furtherman on 5-31-06 @ 11:31 AM

Ndugu

05-31-2006, 07:31 AM

god's good word... how naive are you?  Have you ever even questioned the myth?  Do yourself a favor a look into it.  You'll see how it was all created by man for power and controll.  i don't think it's right to call people who believe in god naive sir

Furtherman

05-31-2006, 07:36 AM

Ndugu wrote:  god's good word... how naive are you?  Have you ever even questioned the myth?  Do yourself a favor a look into it.  You'll see how it was all created by man for power and controll.   i don't think it's right to call people who believe in god naive sirTo believe that there is a god who would stand behind one country instead of another, and to think that a people should create something with what a god "told" them?  Yes, that is naive.  Believe all you want, but basic moral principles are common sense.  Nurtured fear in a myth is what makes people kill for a false belief.  But hey, just say you're sorry and all will be forgiven, right?  And don't get wet and never, never eat after midnight.

Ndugu

05-31-2006, 07:39 AM

i'd say most have killed in the name of a religion

Dougie Brootal

05-31-2006, 07:51 AM

has anyone ever heard of separation of church and state?isnt it in that thing, you know, that thing our countries laws and stuff are based on?whats it called?the constitution?  "Keep the church and state forever separate."Ulysses S. Grant

FUNKMAN

05-31-2006, 07:53 AM

Ndugu wrote: i'd say most have killed in the name of a religioni went to see Bad Religion and they killed as well...

Plethora

05-31-2006, 07:55 AM

Ndugu wrote: i'd say most have killed in the name of a religion In the immortal words of Ronnie B of Bennington... "Are you paying for words?!"

Ndugu

05-31-2006, 08:00 AM

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereofthere is no law where a person holding publice office cannot invoke a deity

Plethora

05-31-2006, 08:07 AM

Ndugu wrote:  Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof there is no law where a person holding publice office cannot invoke a deity  True but that doesn't make it sensible or reasonable or palatable or intelligent or good or positive or even moral to use religion as a wedge issue to further divide the public

Dougie Brootal

05-31-2006, 08:09 AM

Ndugu wrote:  Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof  there is no law where a person holding publice office cannot invoke a deitywell IMHO it appears we are moving toward that direction with all this religious reasoning behind the abortion issue and stem cell research issue.*i'm sorry if it pisses anyone off, but an unborn fetus does not have the same rights as a living person. *edit: i forgot to mention gay marriage. thats illegal purely because christians don't like it.

This message was edited by douggrasso on 5-31-06 @ 2:19 PM

Furtherman

05-31-2006, 08:11 AM

Ndugu wrote:  Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof  there is no law where a person holding publice office cannot invoke a deitySo if someone invoke Zeus or Apollo, would that be a problem?  There is no differnece between them and "god".  In fact, they were believed in for a longer period of time than "god" or say, jesus, so they're first on the totem pole... wouldn't that be the logical choice?

Dougie Brootal

05-31-2006, 08:12 AM

The church might harm the state. For example, religious conviction might cause the state to become involved in a disastrous war, or to remain pacifist when force is necessary for the preservation of the state. It may also influence public policies in a manner detrimental to those who do not follow all the church's teachings

Ndugu

05-31-2006, 08:20 AM

So if someone invoke Zeus or Apollo, would that be a problem?  There is no differnece between them and "god".  In fact, they were believed in for a longer period of time than "god" or say, jesus, so they're first on the totem pole... wouldn't that be the logical choice?if people started saying zeus protect america i'd be concerned but i would not have a problem with it, the same as if a politician started to invoke allah, alot of people would have a problem with it but i don't think i would, that's just me, i'm silly like that

Reephdweller

06-07-2006, 07:41 PM

<img height="227" src="http://manifoldreality.org/media/images/bush_injured.jpg" width="175" border="0" /> I started out in his first term optimistic that he was the better choice between him and Al Gore. I also further supported him after 9/11 and the move to invade Afghanistan to drive out the Taliban and try and capture Osama. Somewhere around the "Mission Accomplished" photo op and that fake turkey Thanksgiving photo is when I started to see him as more of an idiot. For me it was all downhill after that. I again reluctantly supported him over Kerry, though in both elections I felt he was an awful campaigner and debater. I felt on some weird level that he was at the very least a honest guy, or at least more honest than Bill Clinton was. <img height="300" src="http://www.foxnews.com/images/106207/6_22_bush_mission_banner.jpg" width="200" border="0" /><img height="308" src="http://www.depresident.com/gallery/overflow/Bush_with_fake_turkey.jpg" width="410" border="0" />I became more critical of him and his handling of things during the tsunami, I thought to myself at the time that his lack of action to offer aid and support was very bad image-wise and was just another clue to me that he was everything his worst critics said he was. Where I completely lost all my faith in him was during Hurricane Katrina I was completely offended at how awful he was from a leadership standpoint. It all came to this event to make me see how useless, ineffective, and out of touch he really is. It's to the point now where I get sick if I see him on tv or hear his voice on the radio. I am embarassed to have considered him my president at one point. I have also since lost so much faith and interest in not only him, but also the republican party. I feel so frustrated and unrepresented that I am actually rooting for them all to be thrown out of office. In many ways I don't even share the same ideals as them. I mean I want less government, and fiscally I feel believe in being a conservative, though as far as many other issues go I am on the other side of the fence. I always have been, though I felt loyal to a party that I thought would actually do something once they had power. My how eight years can completely change ones perspective on things.<img height="344" src="http://www.indybay.org/uploads/bush_segway.jpg" width="410" border="0" /><img height="450" src="http://www.geocities.com/nma_america/Bush-injured_by_pretzel.jpg" width="355" border="0" />

boeman

06-11-2006, 07:11 PM

I was never a supporter of Bush. I can't say I have much nice to say about his policies... but I have no reason to not like the man personally. I consider myself a moderate Democrat, I find that both sides have some positive and negative contributions to our society. I continue to support our role in Afghanastan but was against going into Iraq from the begining. Not to say I don't support our troops, I have sent numerous care packages to my fellow brothers of the leaf (to the count of the equivelent of 5 boxes of cigars from my now dwindling cigar collection). I will say now that we are there, there is no way we can leave the Iraqi people high and dry, we have to finish what we started. All in all, I'd say I have issues with at least 90% of Bush's policies... including his take on workers rights and taxes... plus the fact that he promised a smaller government when all he has done is make it larger. Had Bush followed through with more of his campaign promises (such as working with the world on foreign policy instead of going it alone) I'd be able to stand behind his administration (which I know no one even cares who I stand behind... except myself and my family). I'd have to say this has been a very standoffish and unsuccessful administration, and by my personal views the whole world has suffered. I hope the next President is able to make some positive changes to this country (but with our current politicians, I'm not holding out much hope).

TheMojoPin

06-11-2006, 07:19 PM

I will say this about Bush and company...no matter how poorly thought out or foolish or wrong their decisions may be, at least in my book, they tend to stick with them to the bitter end.  Granted, that's doing us not a lot of good, but at least they're consistent.  You know 9 times out of 10 where Bush is going to stand on an issue.

Furtherman

06-29-2006, 10:05 AM

"...and, I tell you, anybody who doesn't think I'm smart enough to handle the job is misunderestimating me big time."Man.... he George funny or what?  HA!  Knee-slapper toe tapper!  Such a kidder... thankfully he's just joking around....  isn't he?

Furtherman

08-24-2006, 11:13 AM

TheMojoPin wrote:  You know 9 times out of 10 where Bush is going to stand on an issue. The 10th time?  <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBxbuweRFQQ" target="_blank">Pigs.</a>HOLY shit why is this man still holding his job?

radeon1921

08-24-2006, 08:04 PM

NO 1.the terror2.war monger 3.money 4.Power tends to corrupt; absolute power corrupts absolutely

cougarjake13

08-26-2006, 02:55 PM

i like our president for all the comedy he provides

FezPaul

08-26-2006, 03:00 PM

radeon1921 wrote:  4.Power tends to corrupt; absolute power corrupts absolutelyRon: Yeah thanks, because none of us have ever seen a bumper sticker before.

mdr55

08-26-2006, 05:23 PM

You're doing a heck of a job Bushie!! Turk 182

Lumber

08-26-2006, 07:54 PM

high fly

08-26-2006, 10:27 PM

Hezbollah's gotta be giving Bush his props after the way he saved their ass in Lebanon.Kinda like the way Ronald "Dutch" Reagan did back in the day.Whaya wanna bet the Texas Einstein took a look at all-em terrists being killed and thunked to himself, "What would Reagan do?"Next think y'know, we'll be sending rewards to them terrists for all the hard work they do in killing Americans, JUST LIKE REAGAN USED TO DO!

high fly

08-26-2006, 10:33 PM

Ndugu wrote: i'd say most have killed in the name of a religion Might want to do a little research into that cliche.I'd suggest reading The Black Book of Communism, by several authors. It details how over 100 m-m-m-million people were killed by the commies in about a 70-year time span and religion was not a factor.

Rufus45

08-30-2006, 06:04 PM

LordJezo you're saying that you are better than the aliens just because your parents banged here and you came out in the right country. But i guess we can go with your idea of preventing those people who are trying to better their lifes from doing so. It was a round world last time i looked.

Jujubees2

09-05-2006, 12:11 PM

Jesus, he's at it again.  Comparing the terrorists to Lenin and Hitler and asking "`Will we listen? Will we pay attention to what these evil men say?"If he had only listened the first time.<a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060905/ap_on_go_pr_wh/bush_terrorism">http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060905/ap_on_go_pr_wh/bush_terrorism</a>The when asked by Brian Williams if it bothered him that the American people were upset with his performance, King George responded that he "always aims low."

Furtherman

09-05-2006, 12:17 PM

Our democracy is but a name. We vote? What does that mean? It means that we choose between two bodies of real, though not avowed, autocrats. We choose between Tweedledum and Tweedledee... Helen Keller Unfortunatley we got <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LH-CGkoNIbA&NR" target="_blank">Tweedledummer.</a>I am aware that I have opened the fourm for Helen Keller jokes, but even she had more insight than Bush.

BLZBUBBA

09-05-2006, 12:54 PM

True conservatives can't stand Bush.  Don't think so?  Check out Pat Buchanan's AMERICAN CONSERVATIVE MAGAZINE.  They can't stand his war,  his spending,  on and on.  Tax cuts are GREAT.....BUT YOU HAVE TO CUT SPENDING AS WELL.I don't have any use for today's Republicans.  I don't have any use for today's Democrats either.  The two party deal is now almost an illusion to make voters think they have a choice.  They don't.  If you think back to say...the Bush and Gore debates they agreed more than they disagreed.  And Clinton?  No liberal he.  Not by a longshot.  Same with Kerry.  There might be an issue here and there that Kerry was seemingly liberal on,  but not everything.  Not even on most things was he liberal.  The main proof is that they got their party's nomination.  The money people wouldn't allow a true liberal to get nominated.  Just wouldn't happen.I now vote third party...usually Libertarian.  They're about individual rights and less government all the way around.  And they're also about taking as little money to do the job as possible. TRANSLATION: They don't have a prayer of gaining any kind of control anytime soon...if ever.  But I vote my conscience and my conscience says to vote third party now.  I do so if only as a protest.

Don Stugots

09-05-2006, 12:56 PM

Perot in '08.

BLZBUBBA

09-05-2006, 04:09 PM

Oddly enough.  I voted for that crazy,  big eared,  prison haircut wearing Perot twice.  I knew he couldn't win.  But never underestimate the value of being able to say..."Don't look at me.  I didn't vote for that bastard.  He's YOUR boy."

fleshysilo

09-05-2006, 04:16 PM

Just 'google' the word...failure...check out the first listing

This message was edited by fleshysilo on 9-6-06 @ 1:31 AM

LordJezo

09-06-2006, 11:10 AM

<a href="http://abcnews.go.com/International/story?id=2400470" target="_self">He's giving POWs from Al Qaeda Geneva Convention rights.</a>That's going to make even me like him a little less.  He's caving to the pressure.  Disgusting.America loses.  <a href="http://abcnews.go.com/International/story?id=2400470" target="_self"></a>

CuzBum

09-06-2006, 11:13 AM

fleshysilo wrote: Just 'google' the word...failure...check out the first listing This message was edited by fleshysilo on 9-6-06 @ 1:31 AM Then look at the third.

Furtherman

09-06-2006, 11:21 AM

"I said I was looking for a book to read, Laura said you ought to cry Camus. I also read three Shakespeares. ... I've got a eck-a-lec-tic reading list." --George W. Bush, interview with NBC's Brian Williams, New Orleans, La., Aug. 29, 2006   He's not a smart man.  Not by any means.

mendyweiss

09-06-2006, 11:47 AM

Furtherman wrote: "I said I was looking for a book to read, Laura said you ought to cry Camus. I also read three Shakespeares. ... I've got a eck-a-lec-tic reading list." --George W. Bush, interview with NBC's Brian Williams, New Orleans, La., Aug. 29, 2006   He's not a smart man.  Not by any means.Imagine, he went to Yale and Harvard. I'm not impressed with those schools any more

Furtherman

09-06-2006, 11:49 AM

mendyweiss wrote: Imagine, he went to Yale and Harvard. I'm not impressed with those schools any moreOh he "went" alright.  Just like he "went" to the National Guard.

mikeyboy

09-06-2006, 11:53 AM

CuzBum wrote: fleshysilo wrote: Just 'google' the word...failure...check out the first listing This message was edited by fleshysilo on 9-6-06 @ 1:31 AM Then look at the third.<a href="http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2005/09/googlebombing-failure.html" target="_self">Here's the likely explanation for both</a>

Jujubees2

09-06-2006, 12:00 PM

mikeyboy wrote: CuzBum wrote: fleshysilo wrote: Just 'google' the word...failure...check out the first listing This message was edited by fleshysilo on 9-6-06 @ 1:31 AM Then look at the third.<a href="http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2005/09/googlebombing-failure.html" target="_self">Here's the likely explanation for both</a>Googlebombing.  There's a new one.  Though in this day of terrorists alerts, they may want to find a new name for it.

fleshysilo

09-06-2006, 01:06 PM

HE IS GOOD FOR SOME LAUGHS

fleshysilo

09-06-2006, 02:59 PM

fleshysilo

09-06-2006, 03:00 PM

kellermcgee21

09-06-2006, 11:56 PM

<a href="http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/blbushisms.htm">http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/blbushisms.htm</a>I've heard bush say a lot of this shit but it really is amazing to see all of these quotes together.  Anyone else think bush could pull off a nice comedy pyramid all by himself?  edit: and i got a new sig...there are so many good ones to choose from

This message was edited by kellermcgee21 on 9-7-06 @ 3:57 AM

Yerdaddy

09-07-2006, 02:04 AM

LordJezo wrote: <a href="http://abcnews.go.com/International/story?id=2400470" target="_self">He's giving POWs from Al Qaeda Geneva Convention rights.</a>That's going to make even me like him a little less.  He's caving to the pressure.  Disgusting.America loses.  <a href="http://abcnews.go.com/International/story?id=2400470" target="_self"></a><a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/09/05/AR2006090501200.html?nav=hcmodule" target="_blank">He's caving into the pressure of the Supreme Court, the Constitution and the members of his party who still respect the Constitution.</a>Fascist-wannabes lose. America wins.

LordJezo

09-07-2006, 04:13 AM

Yerdaddy wrote: LordJezo wrote: <a target="_self" href="http://abcnews.go.com/International/story?id=2400470">He's giving POWs from Al Qaeda Geneva Convention rights.</a>That's going to make even me like him a little less. He's caving to the pressure. Disgusting.America loses. <a target="_self" href="http://abcnews.go.com/International/story?id=2400470"></a><a target="_blank" href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/09/05/AR2006090501200.html?nav=hcmodule">He's caving into the pressure of the Supreme Court, the Constitution and the members of his party who still respect the Constitution.</a>Fascist-wannabes lose. America wins.   Oh well.They chop off our heads and blow up school children.  Now we'll reward them with 3 meals a day and a platform to convert more people to terrorism.This new America is weak and cares more about the feelings of the enemy than the fate of our own school children in Kindergardens who are in the crosshairs of suicide bombers everywhere.

Jujubees2

09-13-2006, 08:38 AM

Does the president have nothing better to do than to hold a meeting with the president of Kazakhstan about a Sacha Baron Cohen movie? <a href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=404852&in_page_id=1770">http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=404852&in_page_id=1770</a>

GwEnYpOo

09-13-2006, 08:55 AM

Tenbatsuzen wrote:  I'd like to know - are there any reasons why I should like Bush right now?   I don't want the typical, snippy left-wing answers with "witty" answers about the Bush administration. well at least he didnt close the unit searching for osama bin-laden ....oh wait...       <img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/wink.gif" border="0" />

A.J.

09-13-2006, 09:10 AM

GwEnYpOo wrote: Tenbatsuzen wrote:  I'd like to know - are there any reasons why I should like Bush right now?   I don't want the typical, snippy left-wing answers with "witty" answers about the Bush administration. well at least he didnt close the unit searching for osama bin-laden ....oh wait... <img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/wink.gif" border="0" /> He didn't.  <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/07/04/AR2006070400375.html" target="_self">Former CIA Director Goss did</a>.And it didn't really go away -- it was just given a new name.  This happens a lot in government.  My job title/code has changed so much that I don't even bother with business cards anymore.

This message was edited by A.J. on 9-13-06 @ 1:17 PM

Thebazile78

09-13-2006, 03:00 PM

I keep my thoughts to myself while still believing that the Founding Fathers' system of checks and balances built into our Republic will save us from ourselves.  The Executive Branch of the government is no more powerful than the Legislative or Judicial Branch. The fact that we've reached the point where our Branches are secure enough in their powers to re-examine the fear-mongering that ALL SIDES have been doing (and yes, all sides have been fear-mongering in some way, shape or form) and enforcing those checks to combat the actions, necessary and sanctioned as they may have been at the times when they were taken, taken to create our current climate.  If nothing else, the President honestly believes all the things he says. This can have its advantages because he means what he says and this might actually strike fear into the hearts of the terrorists we're trying to keep out of our country. This can also have its disadvantages, especially when he's proven inaccurate, biased or even wrong. A lot of the backpedaling right now seems to be because he's a Lame Duck, so he's got nothing to gain and nothing left to lose. His popularity polls are falling, but it doesn't MATTER. He can't run for President again anyway, so why should he care? [SNIDE LIBERAL COMMENT ALERT]Maybe Laura will successfully teach him to read after he retires. There'd be hope for him then![/SNIDE LIBERAL COMMENT ALERT]

johnniewalker

09-16-2006, 11:25 AM

I think that he has had the toughest environment out of any president.   People are cynical to the point that discussions are starting to be based on each persons own reality.  Some people beileve there is nothing real with the situation of 9/11, or some people's arguments our based solely on what they think our government's motives are.   I bet if you took a poll on what they thought Bush's immigration policy was 50% or more would think it resembles the house's plan.  The absolute divide of people has gotten so wide where issues that important to one party might be ignored and not even be discussed by another party.   I really disagree with his inability to take a strong stand on anything and not be a president that attempts to be liked by people who furiuosly hate him.  Stem cell research, and immigration were examples of things that he tried to compromise and they are things you can't realistically be in the middle on.  To me thought he is not Hitler, (people really need to stop comparing everyone to Hitler,  the pope is not hitler)  he just a massively unpopular politician that is a moderate republican that hasn't accomplished much.

overyoo

09-16-2006, 11:29 AM

i voted for bush twice.

Bulldogcakes

09-16-2006, 02:36 PM

overyoo wrote: i voted for bush twice. Ha! I stayed home and jerked off in 04. Which means we both essentially did the same thing that night. Only difference was when I finished, I had something to show for my efforts.  <blockquote />

Furtherman

09-21-2006, 07:19 AM

The fact that the question even has to be asked, is wrong.The fact that the question is even a question, is wrong.The fact that THIS is a headline:<h1><a href="http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/09/20/bush.intv/index.html" target="_blank">Bush would send troops inside Pakistan to catch bin Laden</a></h1>...is wrong.

Jujubees2

09-21-2006, 07:37 AM

Furtherman wrote: The fact that the question even has to be asked, is wrong.The fact that the question is even a question, is wrong.The fact that THIS is a headline:<h1><a href="http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/09/20/bush.intv/index.html" target="_blank">Bush would send troops inside Pakistan to catch bin Laden</a></h1>...is wrong.  I saw parts of the interview last night and boy was GW uncomfortable (he kept squirming in his chair).  When Wolf read a paragraph that was written by James Baker, the first Bush's Secretary of State, about why they didn't overthrow Saddam during the first Gulf War (all the things Baker said would happen have), the first words out of GW's mouth were, you guessed it "9-11".  And when Wolf tried to explain to GW that Iraq had nothing to do with 9-11, GW rambled on about how Saddam was a threat, blah, blah, blah...