Can they stop the Tobbaco Indusry? [Archive]

HBox

06-05-2006, 05:44 PM

STUGOTS1 wrote: firstly, i hate cigerette smoke and i know that it is bad for thbose that do smoke. i know how hard it must be to stop. with that said, if 90% of all smokers stop smoking tomorrow and nver go back how will this countries economy survive? what would become of all of those tobbaco farmers down south? what about all of the tax revenue generated by cigerette sales?   Umm, how many tobacco farmers are there? Isn't that all corporate? As far as the economy, the people who spent their money on cigarettes would spend their money elsewhere. The money isn't going to disappear. Taxes would have to be raised elsewhere. I'd think alcohol and junk food would be the first. That wouldn't do it, but they'll find the money, at least as soon as some adults get back into Congress and the White House and are actually concerned with fiscal matters. <img border="0" src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/rolleyes.gif" /> Trust me, they'll have no problem finding something to tax. And finally, health care costs will decline, slowly at first, then gathering a bit of speed, then declining speed for a while, all over the course of a couple decades.Cigarettes are a net negative on the economy, assuming of course that the vast majority of smokers wouldn't go and replace cigarettes with hard core drugs or alcoholism.

MadMatt

06-05-2006, 05:44 PM

Short answer?  NO.Nor should they IMO.  As Moe already stated, smoking is a choice and I don't want the government telling me what to do.

HBox

06-05-2006, 05:45 PM

Death Metal Moe wrote: Smoking is a choice. No one forced anyone to do it.It should be a legal choice for adults. I HATE WHEN PEOPLE TAKE MY FUCKING CHOICES AWAY. I AM A GROWN MAN. I WILL MAKE UP MY OWN MIND ABOUT MY OWN BODY.What's next? Outlawing Bacon because it clogs your arteries up?  Who suggested anything otherwise in this thread?

zildjian361

06-05-2006, 05:48 PM

That's my point that blow hole one that they show during Yankee games is gross but as stugots said its big business,selling more booze only makes you smoke more.<img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/smoke.gif" border="0" />

Sheeplovr

06-05-2006, 05:49 PM

I seen the comercial only once and i laughed and laughedit
reminded me of when they brought in some guy to school with a hole in
his throat talking about how they smoked and then my class made fun of
him and called him stupid to his face and then we got yelled at and
were told to show some respect and somebody goes why he ruined his life
with smokeing and then they had no answer

Don Stugots

06-05-2006, 05:49 PM

<hr color="cococo" align="left">HBox wrote: STUGOTS1 wrote: firstly, i hate cigerette smoke and i know that it is bad for thbose that do smoke. i know how hard it must be to stop. with that said, if 90% of all smokers stop smoking tomorrow and nver go back how will this countries economy survive? what would become of all of those tobbaco farmers down south? what about all of the tax revenue generated by cigerette sales? Umm, how many tobacco farmers are there? Isn't that all corporate? As far as the economy, the people who spent their money on cigarettes would spend their money elsewhere. The money isn't going to disappear. Taxes would have to be raised elsewhere. I'd think alcohol and junk food would be the first. That wouldn't do it, but they'll find the money, at least as soon as some adults get back into Congress and the White House and are actually concerned with fiscal matters. <img border="0" src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/rolleyes.gif" /> Trust me, they'll have no problem finding something to tax. And finally, health care costs will decline, slowly at first, then gathering a bit of speed, then declining speed for a while, all over the course of a couple decades.Cigarettes are a net negative on the economy, assuming of course that the vast majority of smokers wouldn't go and replace cigarettes with hard core drugs or alcoholism.<hr color="cococo" align="left">

ever drive from florida to nyc and not be able to roll down the windows from georiga to DC? know why? tobbaco drops for as far as the eye can see. go to VA and what is there but a huge phillip morris plant/factory. i am sure there are plenty of people that work there. those people generate tax dollars. cigerette sales generate tax dollars. how is that money going to be replaced?

Moe, it was just brooklyn 12 news, bacon will be outlawed in fall 2007. when bacon is outlawed only outlaws will eat bacon.

HBox

06-05-2006, 05:53 PM

cigerette sales generate tax dollars. how is that money going to be replaced?I just freaking told you. People will spend their money elsewhere. Those businesses will make more money and expand. New businesses will open. People who lost their jobs will get new ones. As far as taxes, the government will find a way, trust me, they always do.

Tenbatsuzen

06-05-2006, 05:55 PM

A Chewlies Gum Representative?

Don Stugots

06-05-2006, 05:58 PM

<hr color="cococo" align="left">HBox wrote: <hr color="cococo" align="left">cigerette sales generate tax dollars. how is that money going to be replaced?<hr color="cococo" align="left">I just freaking told you. People will spend their money elsewhere. Those businesses will make more money and expand. New businesses will open. People who lost their jobs will get new ones. As far as taxes, the government will find a way, trust me, they always do.<hr color="cococo" align="left">

i was looking for the obvious answer of they raise the taxes on other stuff, passing it on to non smokers.

people do not find jobs just like that. you know that. plus we are talking about billions.

but what about Moes point of how dare the government tell people how to live. its bad enough we have to wear seatbelts against our will.

MadMatt

06-05-2006, 05:59 PM

STUGOTS1 wrote:  ever drive from florida to nyc and not be able to roll down the windows from georiga to DC? know why? tobbaco drops for as far as the eye can see. go to VA and what is there but a huge phillip morris plant/factory. i am sure there are plenty of people that work there. those people generate tax dollars. cigerette sales generate tax dollars. how is that money going to be replaced? Moe, it was just brooklyn 12 news, bacon will be outlawed in fall 2007. when bacon is outlawed only outlaws will eat bacon.<img src="http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/3563/hamburglarbacon4gf.jpg" border="0" />

Death Metal Moe

06-05-2006, 05:59 PM

Well I enjoy cigars and smoke the occasional cigarette as a cigar.  I will not be voting for canidates who are trying to outlaw tobacco.

suggums

06-05-2006, 06:00 PM

i died from lung cancer, how dare all of you

Death Metal Moe

06-05-2006, 06:01 PM

STUGOTS1 wrote: but what about Moes point of how dare the government tell people how to live. its bad enough we have to wear seatbelts against our will. Thank you, that is my point.  I know it's a long shot but what happens when the government decides something else is "Good for you" or they're keeping you from "Hurting yourself because you don't know how to help yourself."  They're already "Protecting" us from vulgar speech and "dangerous" movies.  DO you enjoy that?

Death Metal Moe

06-05-2006, 06:03 PM

Ron? Commnet?<img height="200" src="http://www.teddwebb.com/showcase/where_are_they_now/ron_bennnington.jpg" width="275" border="0" />

HBox

06-05-2006, 06:04 PM

STUGOTS1 wrote: HBox wrote:  cigerette sales generate tax dollars. how is that money going to be replaced? I just freaking told you. People will spend their money elsewhere. Those businesses will make more money and expand. New businesses will open. People who lost their jobs will get new ones. As far as taxes, the government will find a way, trust me, they always do. 

i was looking for the obvious answer of they raise the taxes on other stuff, passing it on to non smokers.

people do not find jobs just like that. you know that. plus we are talking about billions.

but what about Moes point of how dare the government tell people how to live. its bad enough we have to wear seatbelts against our will.   1. THAT'S WHAT I FREAKING SAID!2. Yes, people DO find jobs like that, that's kind of how capitalism works, and why the economy doesn't collapse everytime a product or industry falls into obsoleteness.3. The Government has every right to tell people how to live. In fact, it's in it's interest to do so. What it can't do is force people how to live, and it isn't. If you don't like seeing the realities of smoking, too bad, you made your fucking choice, live with it.

PapaBear

06-05-2006, 06:05 PM

Tenbatsuzen wrote: A Chewlies Gum Representative?  Who?<img height="218" src="http://www.scottschiaffo.com/images/gallery/clerks/Clerks_large.jpg" width="300" border="0" />

Don Stugots

06-05-2006, 06:05 PM

<hr color="cococo" align="left">MadMatt wrote: STUGOTS1 wrote: ever drive from florida to nyc and not be able to roll down the windows from georiga to DC? know why? tobbaco drops for as far as the eye can see. go to VA and what is there but a huge phillip morris plant/factory. i am sure there are plenty of people that work there. those people generate tax dollars. cigerette sales generate tax dollars. how is that money going to be replaced? Moe, it was just brooklyn 12 news, bacon will be outlawed in fall 2007. when bacon is outlawed only outlaws will eat bacon.<img src="http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/3563/hamburglarbacon4gf.jpg" border="0" /><hr color="cococo" align="left">

Moe, Matt just found your next sigpic. nice one.

MadMatt

06-05-2006, 06:08 PM

STUGOTS1 wrote: MadMatt wrote: STUGOTS1 wrote: Moe, it was just brooklyn 12 news, bacon will be outlawed in fall 2007. when bacon is outlawed only outlaws will eat bacon.<img src="http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/3563/hamburglarbacon4gf.jpg" border="0" /> Moe, Matt just found your next sigpic. nice one. Quick and dirty version - I can clean it up if Moe really wants a copy <img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/smile.gif" border="0" />

Death Metal Moe

06-05-2006, 06:08 PM

I like how HBOX just thinks the exact number of people displaced from killing off the tobacco industry will magically be re-employed by some new industry.I'm sure the new factorys will pop up in the same towns with the same kinds of positions available for everyone.  Managers will be managers again, everyone won't have to start at the bottom.

HBox

06-05-2006, 06:12 PM

Death Metal Moe wrote: I like how HBOX just thinks the exact number of people displaced from killing off the tobacco industry will magically be re-employed by some new industry.I'm sure the new factorys will pop up in the same towns with the same kinds of positions available for everyone. Managers will be managers again, everyone won't have to start at the bottom.  Yeah, all the manufacturing jobs left the US, and we are all currently living in deplorable squalor because nobody anywhere had the ability to adapt. <img border="0" src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/rolleyes.gif" />Of course there will be a negative in the short term, but in the long term we will be off better. But this is a fucking impossibility. If smoking gradually disappeared we'd all be better off. And it isn't going to be completely outlawed with a significant number of people smoking.

Don Stugots

06-05-2006, 06:19 PM

Hbox, this country doesnt promote blue collar jobs anymore. we dont make anything. we ship it in to help smaller countries. to most people in this country a manufacturing job is an insult.

the NAFTA is not about peoples ability to adapt. those jobs left the country, not the city or state even. help 10 years ago the mid hudson valley went to shit when a few big companies left for south of the border. it still hasnt recovered all together. you do not just snap your fingers and get another job.

Death Metal Moe

06-05-2006, 06:23 PM

HBox wrote: Of course there will be a negative in the short term, but in the long term we will be off better.  I don't know how many short term negatives even a great country like ours can take all at once.

HBox

06-05-2006, 06:43 PM

Look, what I am not saying these people will just snap their fingers and get new, equal jobs. But it will not destroy the economy, it will not doom these people to eternal poverty. Shit somewhat similar to this theoretical impossibility has happened before and will happen again. People will adapt, and a country full of people who willingly don't smoke is preferable to a country full of people who do. The idea that this country's economy is reliant on tobacco is ludicrous. Hell, the tobacco companies have already gone through a hellacious decade and we're not all living on the street.

Don Stugots

06-05-2006, 06:51 PM

Hbox, i see what you are saying. but my point is that the strain on the rest of the economy to compensate for that loss of revenue. like you said "the govenrment always gets theirs". well think gas is big $$$ now? think a gallon of milk is heavly taxed now? or anything else. tobbaco led the way for the industrialzation of this country. tobbaco, coal etc. are the reasons that there are railways and mega highways here in america.

plus there is the freedom of choice issue here as well.

people want their bacon dammit.

Reephdweller

06-05-2006, 07:28 PM

While I have grown to hate people who smoke, I am against the idea of taking away peoples choice to smoke. I really like non smoking in restaurants and even bars, though I think if people want to smoke outside or in the privacy of their homes or whatever that they should be able to.

Marc with a c

06-06-2006, 02:59 PM

i find it interesting the guy still has a hispanic accent.

Don Stugots

06-06-2006, 04:00 PM

<hr color="cococo" align="left">evedder wrote: i find it interesting the guy still has a hispanic accent. <hr color="cococo" align="left">

i am so fucking pissed that you used my line. i was just thinking about this while i was out walking my dog. i chuckled with glee that i thought of it and no one else had. i made the pup hurry up and pee to come in and post it only to find it done already. i could just spit. the perfect end to a shitty fucking day.

Bulldogcakes

06-06-2006, 05:17 PM

Have you seen the anti smoking commercial with the guy with the blow
hole and cloth covering it, and the one with the little kids getting
second hand smoke . the blow hole made me stop. 
  I love how that guy still has a spanish accent, even with no voice box and talking with a vibrator thing on his throat.

Bulldogcakes

06-06-2006, 05:26 PM

HBox wrote:Umm, how many tobacco farmers are there? Isn't that all corporate? As far as the economy, the people who spent their money on cigarettes would spend their money elsewhere. The money isn't going to disappear. Taxes would have to be raised elsewhere. I'd think alcohol and junk food would be the first. That wouldn't do it, but they'll find the money, at least as soon as some adults get back into Congress and the White House and are actually concerned with fiscal matters. <img border="0" src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/rolleyes.gif" /> Trust me, they'll have no problem finding something to tax. And finally, health care costs will decline, slowly at first, then gathering a bit of speed, then declining speed for a while, all over the course of a couple decades.Cigarettes are a net negative on the economy, assuming of course that the vast majority of smokers wouldn't go and replace cigarettes with hard core drugs or alcoholism.  And then people start living longer and all the actuarial tables they currently use for Social Security are blown to shit. And the ones they HAVE NOW are due to go broke in 20 or so years. So you might actually be making a fiscal time bomb that would go KABLOOEY in 10-15 years.I agree 100% though, that they'll have no trouble finding something to tax.  <blockquote />

Marc with a c

06-06-2006, 06:13 PM

STUGOTS1 wrote: 
 
i am so fucking pissed that you used my line. i was just thinking about
this while i was out walking my dog. i chuckled with glee that i
thought of it and no one else had. i made the pup hurry up and pee to
come in and post it only to find it done already. i could just spit.
the perfect end to a shitty fucking day. well, the world hasn't ended today (yet).  that's good. <blockquote />

fezident

06-06-2006, 06:34 PM

Question for those of you who smoke: I have a theory about portion control.  It's my opinion that most people will consume however much product is in front of them.  Open a can of Coke...drink it. Order some fries...eat 'em.  Etc etc.  Nobody ever really CRAVES 9 or 10 more fries.  They eat the ones in the sleeve thingie and they are satisfied.  50 yrs ago, if a can of coke was 10 or 14 ounces (instead of 12) wouldn't we just drink 10 or 14 oz now?My question is; if tobacco companies put only 10 cigs in one pack, would people still smoke "a pack a day"?  Would 10 smokes satisfy them the same way that, right now, 25 cigs do?  Obviously, I'm not talking about the people who are ALREADY hooked on 25 a day. But, in two years from now...if we produced ONLY the 10-pack, would that be satisfying?  12 year old kids decide to smoke, they go to the store and have ONE option: a 10 pack.  Would those kids feel compelled to purchase and open (and smoke) a whole other pack??

Marc with a c

06-06-2006, 06:39 PM

that is a good question, but i don't think that is the case.i
smoke 5-10 a day depending on what i am doing. but the pack amount
doesn't stop me.  i hate not having smokes on me, so i buy another
pack before i am done with my current pack. i don't think the amount in
a pack (20) would affect how much folks smoke.

fezident

06-06-2006, 06:45 PM

Oops. Thought it was 25.   I hear sooo many people say they smoke "a pack a day", it seems to be the accepted measurement. I thought....why not make the packs smaller and see if that does the trick.

Marc with a c

06-06-2006, 06:48 PM

you very well could be right, but i feel that "a pack a day" isn't
exactly a pack, they don't stop after 20. i'm sure sometimes its 15
sometimes it's 25, it really depends on your day.decreasing the pack size probably wouldn't make people cut back.

IamFogHat

06-06-2006, 07:28 PM

zildjian361 wrote: Have you seen the anti smoking commercial with the guy with the blow hole and cloth covering it, and the one with the little kids getting second hand smoke . the blow hole made me stop. Are you being sarcastic?

Se7en

06-06-2006, 07:39 PM

I smoke.  I know the risks, I know that it could potentially kill me.  At the least, maybe it'll shorten my life span.  I KNOW all of that.  I don't really care.  None of this, "Oh, it's so hard to stop!"  No.  I don't want to.  So it's not really an issue.Like Moe said, it's a choice.  Don't be fucking taking away my choices from me.BTW, there's NOTHING more annoying than the anti-smoking health nazis.

Alice S. Fuzzybutt

06-06-2006, 11:23 PM

I'm not a smoker. So many smokers are complaining their rights are being taken away. My question is why do my rights to clear air end as soon as you spark up? Smoke outside the bar, smoke in your car, smoke in your house, smoke til you fucking choke. But why do I have to put up with your filthy habit if it's not my choice? I'm really glad there is no more smoking in bars and restaurants in Jersey, And for the record my dad had throat cancer and had his larynx removed. So he was like that "freak" in the commercial. I tell you, I was 5 tears old when he had that operation and that was a hint and a half for my ass NOT to smoke. My dad communicated without the vibrator thingy. It was really hard for him sometimes. I was "translator" when he needed it. But otherwise he got along with his co-workers, neighbors, peers just fine.So everyone who thinks that commercial is FREAKY can go and FUCK themselves.

HBox

06-06-2006, 11:42 PM

Alice S. Fuzzybutt wrote: I'm not a smoker. So many smokers are complaining their rights are being taken away. My question is why do my rights to clear air end as soon as you spark up? Smoke outside the bar, smoke in your car, smoke in your house, smoke til you fucking choke. But why do I have to put up with your filthy habit if it's not my choice? I'm really glad there is no more smoking in bars and restaurants in Jersey, And for the record my dad had throat cancer and had his larynx removed. So he was like that "freak" in the commercial. I tell you, I was 5 tears old when he had that operation and that was a hint and a half for my ass NOT to smoke. My dad communicated without the vibrator thingy. It was really hard for him sometimes. I was "translator" when he needed it. But otherwise he got along with his co-workers, neighbors, peers just fine.So everyone who thinks that commercial is FREAKY can go and FUCK themselves.   Stop being annoying you anti-smoking nazi.

Alice S. Fuzzybutt

06-06-2006, 11:56 PM

Have I told ypu lately I love you? I really do. I'm the Ilse Koch of smoking.

narc

06-07-2006, 12:41 AM

The success of the tobacco industry depends very little on anything in the U.S. anymore. Sure there are lots of smokers. But the tobacco industry is one field where globalization and the fall of communism has been a win-win. Most of Eastern Europe and half of China, the most populous nation on earth, is addicted to our delicious tobacco goodness. Who benefits? We do. You can't grow it as easily other places, so there's little chance of it being outsourced. 
I'm of two minds about bans otherwise. I generally believe people should be able to fuck up their bodies as much as they want without the government stepping in. But as an asthmatic who likes to go to a bar now and again without smelling like ass afterwards from people inhaling fiberglass into their lungs, it's hard to deny that the ban has been great. And nobody's lost any revenue, because, let's face it, people gotta have their alcohol, and if that means they gotta go otuside and smoke in the cold, so be it. The fact that DC hasn't banned smoking in bars is an absolute black mark on the district and a disgrace for a place that likes to view itself as progressive. Virginia will never ban it. DC and Maryland should.

Skellington

06-07-2006, 08:43 AM

the commercials make me laugh.  sorry but i enjoy my 2 cigarettes a day.  i'm enjoying them while i can, because i'm facing the fact that eventually i won't be able to smoke anywhere but my house with the windows shut.  honestly, i think the amount of toxins in the air and mcdonald's are far worse than smoking.  So how about AIDS stemming from Polio vaccines?

Jujubees2

06-07-2006, 08:55 AM

Death Metal Moe wrote: Smoking is a choice.  No one forced anyone to do it.It should be a legal choice for adults.  I HATE WHEN PEOPLE TAKE MY FUCKING CHOICES AWAY.  I AM A GROWN MAN.  I WILL MAKE UP MY OWN MIND ABOUT MY OWN BODY.What's next?  Outlawing Bacon because it clogs your arteries up?No I believe they're first working on outlawing gay marriage and then maybe they'll get around to bacon.

Jujubees2

06-07-2006, 09:01 AM

Se7en wrote: I smoke.  I know the risks, I know that it could potentially kill me.  At the least, maybe it'll shorten my life span.  I KNOW all of that.  I don't really care.  None of this, "Oh, it's so hard to stop!"  No.  I don't want to.  So it's not really an issue.Like Moe said, it's a choice.  Don't be fucking taking away my choices from me.BTW, there's NOTHING more annoying than the anti-smoking health nazis.You're absolutely right that it's your right to smoke.  But do me a favor and tell all your fellow smokers that there's a thing called an ash tray in each car and maybe they should use it.  There's nothing worse than walking down the street and seeing nothing but cigarette butts all over the street.

Skellington

06-07-2006, 09:34 AM

Jujubees2 wrote:  There's nothing worse than walking down the street and seeing nothing but cigarette butts all over the street. There's nothing worse than paying taxes and seeing no city maintainence done.

Jujubees2

06-07-2006, 10:03 AM

wbskellington2 wrote: Jujubees2 wrote:  There's nothing worse than walking down the street and seeing nothing but cigarette butts all over the street. There's nothing worse than paying taxes and seeing no city maintainence done.So it's the city's responsiblity to pick up after lazy people who throw their cigarette butts out the window?  I guess I should just leave my junk car on the side of the road and let the city take care of it?  Of course, then you'd complain because your taxes would go up.

Skellington

06-07-2006, 10:53 AM

Jujubees2 wrote: wbskellington2 wrote: Jujubees2 wrote:  There's nothing worse than walking down the street and seeing nothing but cigarette butts all over the street. There's nothing worse than paying taxes and seeing no city maintainence done.So it's the city's responsiblity to pick up after lazy people who throw their cigarette butts out the window?  I guess I should just leave my junk car on the side of the road and let the city take care of it?  Of course, then you'd complain because your taxes would go up.well, unfortunately because of non-smoking whiney complaining blockheads, they don't put ashtrays in cars anymore.  so it's only logical that non-smokers WANT smokers to chuck their cigarettes out the car window.  edit: and actually, people do pay for un-claimed un-tracible junkers on the side of the road.  we pay the county to have them towed to a junk yard.   if they are traceble by VIN, then the owner pays. how do you like that Mr. Frenchman.  I'll get Beruit on your ass!

This message was edited by wbskellington2 on 6-7-06 @ 3:00 PM

jeffdwright2001

06-07-2006, 11:45 AM

wbskellington2 wrote: Jujubees2 wrote: wbskellington2 wrote: Jujubees2 wrote:  There's nothing worse than walking down the street and seeing nothing but cigarette butts all over the street. There's nothing worse than paying taxes and seeing no city maintainence done.So it's the city's responsiblity to pick up after lazy people who throw their cigarette butts out the window?  I guess I should just leave my junk car on the side of the road and let the city take care of it?  Of course, then you'd complain because your taxes would go up.well, unfortunately because of non-smoking whiney complaining blockheads, they don't put ashtrays in cars anymore.  so it's only logical that non-smokers WANT smokers to chuck their cigarettes out the car window.  edit: and actually, people do pay for un-claimed un-tracible junkers on the side of the road.  we pay the county to have them towed to a junk yard.   if they are traceble by VIN, then the owner pays. how do you like that Mr. Frenchman.  I'll get Beruit on your ass!This message was edited by wbskellington2 on 6-7-06 @ 3:00 PM  Actually, you can still request that a car have an ashtray when you buy them new.  If you but it used, there are still accessories you can purchase for vehicles that include ashtrays.It's kind of like saying, well, when I bought the house there were no ashtrays in it, so I just leave toss them in my neighbors yard.Most smokers I know say they chuck them out the car window because they don't like the odor stinking up their vehicle.  Nice.

Skellington

06-07-2006, 12:09 PM

jeffdwright2001 wrote: wbskellington2 wrote: Jujubees2 wrote: wbskellington2 wrote: Jujubees2 wrote:  There's nothing worse than walking down the street and seeing nothing but cigarette butts all over the street. There's nothing worse than paying taxes and seeing no city maintainence done.So it's the city's responsiblity to pick up after lazy people who throw their cigarette butts out the window?  I guess I should just leave my junk car on the side of the road and let the city take care of it?  Of course, then you'd complain because your taxes would go up.well, unfortunately because of non-smoking whiney complaining blockheads, they don't put ashtrays in cars anymore.  so it's only logical that non-smokers WANT smokers to chuck their cigarettes out the car window.  edit: and actually, people do pay for un-claimed un-tracible junkers on the side of the road.  we pay the county to have them towed to a junk yard.   if they are traceble by VIN, then the owner pays. how do you like that Mr. Frenchman.  I'll get Beruit on your ass!This message was edited by wbskellington2 on 6-7-06 @ 3:00 PM  Actually, you can still request that a car have an ashtray when you buy them new.  If you but it used, there are still accessories you can purchase for vehicles that include ashtrays.It's kind of like saying, well, when I bought the house there were no ashtrays in it, so I just leave toss them in my neighbors yard.Most smokers I know say they chuck them out the car window because they don't like the odor stinking up their vehicle.  Nice.it's about $250 to get an ashtray installed in your car.  i just drink a soda and leave it a quarter full and deposit the smoked cancerstick in there.  unfortunately, i have forgotten i did this one and took a swig. I try not to toss out the window because they fly back in or i'm direly afraid of hitting motorcyclist's.  In all honesty though, there is always trash on the side of the road because someone ate taco bell and didn't feel like bringing the bag to a receptical because *ding* it was stinking their car up.  Thusly, city maintenence takes care of a bulk of this.  What else are jailer's going to do?  It's not right that smokers and PEOPLE THAT TOSS ANYTHING out their window do it.  It's just easier to point out smokers.  Non-smokers and smokers alike have rights.  They should respect each other.  I don't go to a playground and smoke cigarettes.  You don't do that at a place that is MADE for kids.  Just like, if i'm going to a drafthouse known for being the only movietheater where you can drink and smoke....i'll be damned if some douchebag is going to fake cough behind me after i light up.   Your house comment is kinda lame.  Houses can't come to a short stop thusly causing anything not nailed down to go flying.  unless you live in a trailer.  and houses never came equipped with ashtrays to begin with.  all in all.  with the amount of bars, restaurants and public establishments in metropolitian areas banning smoking and the price of cigarettes going up, no one is going to need to worry about this anymore.

Don Stugots

06-07-2006, 04:01 PM

that ashtray is called the smokers group package. not only will it cost you mmore when you buy, it also will lower the value when you trade the car in. nice.

HBox

06-07-2006, 04:13 PM

it's about $250 to get an ashtray installed in your car. And it's less than $10 for those ashtrays you can put in a cup holder. And before you complain any further, nobody cares, deal with it, that's called dealing with the consequences of your lifestyle choice.ust like, if i'm going to a drafthouse known for
being the only movietheater where you can drink and smoke....i'll be
damned if some douchebag is going to fake cough behind me after i light
up.Yeah, because smoke never makes people cough. I'm really sensitive to smoke, and I just love when I get dirty looks because a face full of smoke has me coughing my brains out.