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Furtherman

06-13-2006, 09:40 AM

There is no right or wrong answer.  I have seen this answered both ways, and they are both acceptable grammaticaly speaking. You have a meeting at 12 noon.You are told that is has been "moved up" or "moved forward" 2 hours.The meeting is now at: 10am or 2pm? Edit: Thanks to the mod who cleared up my quadruple post!
This message was edited by Furtherman on 6-13-06 @ 1:45 PM

ADF

06-13-2006, 09:47 AM

You're welcome. I think if a meeting was moved to a later point in the day one would say "moved back."

JPMNICK

06-13-2006, 09:49 AM

First thing I thought was 10:00am. to me that is being moved up. moved back would be 2:00pm

Furtherman

06-13-2006, 09:57 AM

So, you think of "moving up" as moving back in time, and "moving back" as moving forward in time.Doesn't that seem mixed up?

JPMNICK

06-13-2006, 10:04 AM

i think of moved up as being closer to me, and moved back as further away. hence the earlier time being closer to the start of the work day.

EliSnow

06-13-2006, 10:05 AM

Furtherman wrote: So, you think of "moving up" as moving back in time, and "moving back" as moving forward in time.Doesn't that seem mixed up?The phrases relate to a position of a meeting on a schedule or calendar as opposed to time.  For instance, some sheets look like this: <blockquote dir="ltr" style="margin-right: 0px">8:00 am9:00 am10:00 am11:00 am[/quote]If a meeting was moved from 11:00 to 9:00, the listing of the meeting would move up on the sheet, right?  Other sheets may look like a timeline:8:00 am        9:00 a.m.      10:00 am       11:00 amIf something was moved from 11:00 to 9:00, the listing of the meeting would move forward on the sheet.  If it went from 9:00 am to 11:00 am, it would be moved back.  And as JPMNick said, you could also think of it this way, by moving something eariler, you actually are moving it closer in time to your current time.  As an analogy, if someone took a step closer to you, they would move a step forward.  If someone took a step away from you, they would move back.  

This message was edited by EliSnow on 6-13-06 @ 2:10 PM

JustJon

06-13-2006, 10:09 AM

Furtherman wrote: There is no right or wrong answer.   Yes there is.  One answer has you missing the meeting.

cougarjake13

06-13-2006, 10:11 AM

Furtherman wrote: So, you think of "moving up" as moving back in time, and "moving back" as moving forward in time.Doesn't that seem mixed up?its in the same vein as driving on parkways and parking in drivewaysbut to make a sports analogy when you watch the NFL Draft and the have a player projected to go in the 2nd round or even late first and then gets drafted earlier, they say he moved up the draft board so as jpmnick said moving up is whatever is closest to me at that time and in terms of my analogy closer to the draft position<img height="100" src="http://home.comcast.net/~bob80/RFnetCougarJake13.jpg" width="300" border="0" />

Furtherman

06-13-2006, 10:12 AM

EliSnow wrote: Other sheets may look like a timeline:8:00 am        9:00 a.m.      10:00 am       11:00 amIf something was moved from 11:00 to 9:00, the listing of the meeting would move forward on the sheet.  If it went from 9:00 am to 11:00 am, it would be moved back.  You could also think of it this way, by moving something eariler, you actually are moving it closer in time to your current time.  As an analogy, if someone took a step closer to you, they would move a step forward.  If someone took a step away from you, they would move back.  I agree with your first example, and the vertical timeline... that would makke sense.I'm not sure I agree on the second example.8:00am     9:00am       10:00am        11:00amThose times above are read left to right, as is all english, so I'd say it is safe to say you are reading "forward".If a meeting schedule went from 9am to 11am, (and marked on the page as so), I would say it was moved "forward".  I think that makes more sense.

cougarjake13

06-13-2006, 10:13 AM

JustJon wrote:  Furtherman wrote: There is no right or wrong answer.  Yes there is.  One answer has you missing the meeting. or being to early

walking joint

06-13-2006, 10:21 AM

i've never heard anyone say its been moved up and mean its at a later time.  i think there is one correct choice and its 10AM. 

OGC

06-13-2006, 12:01 PM

JPMNICK wrote: i think of moved up as being closer to me, and moved back as further away. hence the earlier time being closer to the start of the work day. Yeah, what he said, exactly. I've never heard anyone who says that moving a meeting up means delaying it.

EliSnow

06-13-2006, 12:17 PM

Furtherman wrote: EliSnow wrote: Other sheets may look like a timeline:8:00 am        9:00 a.m.      10:00 am       11:00 amIf something was moved from 11:00 to 9:00, the listing of the meeting would move forward on the sheet.  If it went from 9:00 am to 11:00 am, it would be moved back.  You could also think of it this way, by moving something eariler, you actually are moving it closer in time to your current time.  As an analogy, if someone took a step closer to you, they would move a step forward.  If someone took a step away from you, they would move back.  I agree with your first example, and the vertical timeline... that would makke sense.I'm not sure I agree on the second example.8:00am     9:00am       10:00am        11:00amThose times above are read left to right, as is all english, so I'd say it is safe to say you are reading "forward".If a meeting schedule went from 9am to 11am, (and marked on the page as so), I would say it was moved "forward".  I think that makes more sense.Assuming that 8 am (or earlier was the start of the day), moving it forward mean closer to the start, i.e. earlier.  Moving it back would meaning moving it farther away from the start, i.e. later.

EliSnow

06-13-2006, 12:18 PM

cougarjake13 wrote: JustJon wrote:  Furtherman wrote: There is no right or wrong answer.  Yes there is.  One answer has you missing the meeting. or being to earlyAt every job I've been at, and in dealing with law firms and major corporations while here, "moving at meeting up" meant earlier.  Finally, it's better to be too early than too late.

Furtherman

06-13-2006, 12:37 PM

EliSnow wrote: Furtherman wrote: EliSnow wrote: Other sheets may look like a timeline:8:00 am        9:00 a.m.      10:00 am       11:00 amIf something was moved from 11:00 to 9:00, the listing of the meeting would move forward on the sheet.  If it went from 9:00 am to 11:00 am, it would be moved back.  You could also think of it this way, by moving something eariler, you actually are moving it closer in time to your current time.  As an analogy, if someone took a step closer to you, they would move a step forward.  If someone took a step away from you, they would move back.  I agree with your first example, and the vertical timeline... that would makke sense.I'm not sure I agree on the second example.8:00am     9:00am       10:00am        11:00amThose times above are read left to right, as is all english, so I'd say it is safe to say you are reading "forward".If a meeting schedule went from 9am to 11am, (and marked on the page as so), I would say it was moved "forward".  I think that makes more sense.Assuming that 8 am (or earlier was the start of the day), moving it forward mean closer to the start, i.e. earlier.  Moving it back would meaning moving it farther away from the start, i.e. later.I see your point.  Moving it in regards to the start of the day.  It just seems odd to me.  Always did.  When someone says "We're moving the meeting up", I automaticaly think of moving the meeting "up" in time, as in later.  Of course most of time the sentence ends with a time "We're moving the meeting up to 1pm" and once I hear the time, then it is clear.I brought up this poll because of this story about the Aymara people of South America, whose concept of time is backwards, compared to the rest of the world:  <a href="http://www.physorg.com/news69338070.html" target="_blank">The past is ahead of them and the future behind. </a>This paragragh intrigued me:Take an "exotic" language like English: You can use the word "ahead" to signify an earlier point in time, saying "We are at 20 minutes ahead of 1 p.m." to mean "It's now 12:40 p.m." Based on this evidence alone, a Martian linguist could then justifiably decide that English speakers, much like the Aymara, put the past in front. There are also in English ambiguous expressions like "Wednesday's meeting was moved forward two days." Does that mean the new meeting time falls on Friday or Monday? Roughly half of polled English speakers will pick the former and the other half the latter. And that depends, it turns out, on whether they're picturing themselves as being in motion relative to time or time itself as moving. Both of these ideas are perfectly acceptable in English and grammatical too, as illustrated by "We're coming to the end of the year" vs. "The end of the year is approaching." I'm aware that most people around here (NYC) will fall into the category of saying "moving back", meaning later in the day.  I'll even adhere to it, but it just feels wrong somehow.I guess I picture myself as "time is moving" rather than "I am moving through time".

Sheeplovr

06-13-2006, 12:39 PM

I love SEMANtics

EliSnow

06-13-2006, 12:46 PM

Furtherman wrote: I'm aware that most people around here (NYC) will fall into the category of saying "moving back", meaning later in the day.  I'll even adhere to it, but it just feels wrong somehow.I guess I picture myself as "time is moving" rather than "I am moving through time".  I think the real difference is that the statement is not discussing the movement of a meeting in relation to time as a concept.  Rather it relates to movement of a meeting in relation to the current time.  The earlier a time, the closer it is to your current time and thus, is forward.

Furtherman

06-13-2006, 12:53 PM

EliSnow wrote: I think the real difference is that the statement is not discussing the movement of a meeting in relation to time as a concept.  Rather it relates to movement of a meeting in relation to the current time.  The earlier a time, the closer it is to your current time and thus, is forward. Well then wouldn't you say the following situation would be correct:It's 8am, the meeting is a noon.  But you want to change the meeting to 10am.  You want to move the meeting close to your current time, which is back towards 8am.Think of a non-working clock on the meeting room door.  It is set to when the meeting is to take place.  12 noon.  Then the meeting is changed, so the hands of the clock are turned back to 10am.  

This message was edited by Furtherman on 6-13-06 @ 4:53 PM

EliSnow

06-13-2006, 01:16 PM

Furtherman wrote: Well then wouldn't you say the following situation would be correct:It's 8am, the meeting is a noon.  But you want to change the meeting to 10am.  You want to move the meeting close to your current time, which is back towards 8am.Think of a non-working clock on the meeting room door.  It is set to when the meeting is to take place.  12 noon.  Then the meeting is changed, so the hands of the clock are turned back to 10am.  This message was edited by Furtherman on 6-13-06 @ 4:53 PM But closer to you is not back, it is foward.  If something moves closer to you or your position, it moves forward.  If it moves away from you, it moves back.  Again, the phrase is based upon the position of the meeting to the participants and their current time, not upon the position of hours on a clock.

Furtherman

06-13-2006, 01:26 PM

EliSnow wrote: But closer to you is not back, it is foward.  If something moves closer to you or your position, it moves forward.  If it moves away from you, it moves back.  Again, the phrase is based upon the position of the meeting to the participants and their current time, not upon the position of hours on a clock.   Agreed.  I guess I just always see a clock when then notion of time comes up.  When someone says moving up, I see the clock hands moving forward.  Moving back... I see the hands moving back.  Just can't make that word switch transition without it feeling a little weird.

sr71blackbird

06-13-2006, 03:51 PM

No meetings are worth making anyway. I one put a sign on our conference room door like this: Attention:  This is the conference room.  Please use the meeting room for meetings.  Thank you.

Sheeplovr

06-13-2006, 03:55 PM

Lets look at a clock<img width="200" height="201" border="0" src="http://www.x20.org/Test2/hidden-wallclockCam.jpg" />now lets make this like a kindergarten classtake the hour hand and move it back that would be counter clockwise bam 12 becomes 10thats the soultion your all insaino to think this long on it

FezPaul

06-13-2006, 04:57 PM

Can we move the meeting back to noon? I can't make it at 10.

FUNKMAN

06-13-2006, 05:02 PM

are you talking eastern, central, or pacific time?

FezPaul

06-13-2006, 05:11 PM

FUNKMAN wrote: are you talking eastern, central, or pacific time? Grennwich Mean Time.Which would make it 2am EDT. Or is it 4am?

tele7

06-13-2006, 05:14 PM

FezPaul wrote: FUNKMAN wrote: are you talking eastern, central, or pacific time? Grennwich Mean Time.Which would make it 2am EDT. Or is it 4am?O200 or O400.  So that's like 50 hours?

FezPaul

06-13-2006, 05:20 PM

telecaster7 wrote: FezPaul wrote: FUNKMAN wrote: are you talking eastern, central, or pacific time? Grennwich Mean Time.Which would make it 2am EDT. Or is it 4am?O200 or O400.  So that's like 50 hours?It's about 15 minutes from now, give or take, I don't wanna rush ya.

Furtherman

06-15-2006, 08:11 AM

Sheeplovr wrote: Lets look at a clock<img height="201" src="http://www.x20.org/Test2/hidden-wallclockCam.jpg" width="200" border="0" />now lets make this like a kindergarten classtake the hour hand and move it back that would be counter clockwise bam 12 becomes 10thats the soultion your all insaino to think this long on it I did go a little insaino in the braino on the subject.